Besic: Substitution against Arsenal the right decision

This is either the players trying to endear themselves to the fans and get support or the party line at work again. Sadly this looks like players holding their hands up to stuff to give a certain someone breathing space.

He was poor, granted. But there are only so many times players can say they were bad, we were unlucky, refs made mistakes...

If only his body would stop failing him.

With our new-found wealth, I would be looking to acquire more players of Eastern European origin – I find that they generally have more 'substance' and grit about their characters. We need some of that.

Not many players about with Mo's tenacity. A year or two of conistent performances with lomited injuries and yes he most definately has the making of an Everton captain.

High 5 Paul Conway.

Are you saying it's not the managers fault?

Most dressing rooms don't wash their dirty linen in public!

However, the players have kept quiet up to now. Enough is enough.

Leighton has done what is required.

Maybe, just maybe Bill will realise the fans have had enough.

Get a decent manager in, get some team spirit back and we will soon see how good some of these players are.

But wait, I thought the tactics (possession obsession), preparation (none) and team selection (favourites and undroppables playing every week) were TOO consistent?

Only on these pages could Besic admitting he played shite translate to Martinez being to blame for him having an off-day.

As usual, you miss the whole point of my post which was a general point about all the players who have not shown consistency the last 2 seasons and that in order for us to judge the real ability and consistency we need a new manager.

Sorry you missed the point but surely you can't be advocating keeping Martinez?

Just over a week before that game he had been hospitalised for a couple of days with a serious chest infection. Assuming it was a viral infection (or bacterial) he would have not fully recovered. He may have felt better but it would have been nigh on impossible to have operated at the level required.

He should not have been in the match squad for that game. It made him look bad through no fault of his his.

Have to do much more to convince; he's been here awhile now and done very little.

If I'm missing the point then your "surely you can't be advocating keeping Martinez" is not so much you missing my point but jumping to an entirely different conclusion by putting two and two together to make five.

And I will readily forgive any lapses Rom may have had for the brilliance of what will likely be a 30-goal season – and the pure joy of that mind-blowing screamer against Chelsea.

Thank you, Mo. That's what we've been trying to explain for years.

He needs two of the three other defensive midfielders to be injured before the fella who went to South America to sign him will give him a sniff.

Is anyone naive enough to think Mo suddenly thought to himself, "I know; I will go to the press this morning and tell them how shit I played against Arsenal but remind the fans how great they actually are." You're kidding me right? The boy's just a pawn in a chess game the Club are patently losing.

For the record, I'm a big fan of Besic and truly believe he was pissed off with the way he played and wants to put it right. That's how a good pro should react. But to air his thoughts at this juncture doesn't sit well with me because the cynic inside me thinks it's more strategic rather than straight talking.

Mo, is right about the fans. The customer is always right.

But It's good to see he a sense of reality - perhaps more than those who regard him as yey another Wonderboy !

International break? As has been said before, too much talking off the pitch from players. It can only be put right by actually looking bothered during a game.

His words off the pitch seem to back up a no-nonsense, honest approach and I think that's why fans like this lad. Ultimately he needs to really show what he can do on the turf but the approach seems to be spot on.

He knows it's been a stop start season and also knows he's not got a given right to be in the side. If he hadn't have got the injury at the start of the season he'd have been a big part of this team this year, probably in place of McCarthy who's form has been very iffy.

While away he talked positively about the club, unlike some players (Rom/Mirallas), when he signed his contract extension you could tell how proud he was and now a honest assessment of his poorest performance so far and a genuine determination to get back in the side and perform better. What more can ask of a professional?

Okay, he said he's normally the best player on the pitch but that's belief in himself and doesn't come across in the same arrogant manner as when others say similar things.

I get what people are saying about the timing of these comments but at least we're hearing good things come out of the club at last. Trying to look on the positive side. I like Besic, he should play more often but like everybody else on here, I've kind of got to the point where I'm feeling so deflated about the performances that it really doesn't matter who's on the pitch, it's all just the same old shit under this manager.

Or, to be more precise, what doesn't go on. Lack of fitness and preparation is the root cause of the on-pitch problems and there is only one person to blame for that.

I'd love to see him performing in an Everton team playing well, with the Goodison faithful fully behind an entertaining side.

I think he would be a cm that could add more goals and assists to our team (more than Barry and McCarthy put together).

He's shown bottle to admit his performance stunk Goodison Park out last week, but I do feel it's more Martinez fault than Besics.

Let's face it, admittedly I blame Martinez for just about everything, but come on, Besic was clearly unfit for the Arsenal game. He looked slow and out of sorts, Martinez trains the players all week, surly he could see how Besic had performed the week leading up to the game.

Even during the game, Martinez replaces a right decision with a down right stupid decision. Besic off at 0-2 down to be replaced by Stones, a center half!!

WTF!!!!!!

Please get shut of this man so our talented squad can entertain us, if not we will lose all our potential world class players.

Maybe only 3 or 4 players would find themselves automatic choices under a new manager. The rest would either have to man up, or ship out, that's for sure.

I turned to my mate at the Swansea game when he went down injured saying that was the semi-final lost then!!

The only player who can get others around them playing to near the top of their game.

The same with Lennon last season, Besic must embarrass others when they see his workrate and passion for the game.

Make his captain when Jags and Barry retire.

Niggly little bastard too, we need more players of his ilk.

Their only options were to launch it upfield or else lay it back for Robles to do likewise. As happens so often, McCarthy and Barkley had gone into hiding, and Cleverley was playing too far wide to perform this job.

Everyone goes on about his attitude, and him being so 'driven' but what has he actually done on the pitch to have garnered so much support from our fanbase?

Giving 100%? What does that mean when you look at him playing the odd-game? He's always injured, and when he isn't I always think he looks lost, and doesn't really do any one thing that brilliantly.

Yeah he might appear to be a heart-on-the-sleeve type player, but can anyone actually give any proof of him changing games? Making a difference? Doing anything spectacular? One, twice, consistently? I can't.

He's only got 1% at the mo and I think that might be me.

What was peculiar about his performance against Arsenal was that, maybe under instruction since forward movement is not the sort of thing that Barry whose role he was taking does, he was static throughout.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/35718680

'I'm sorry, I was crap!' = deep-rooted conspiracy ... only in a John Le Carre novel!

As someone else has said earlier: the 'The fans are right, even when they're wrong...' comment is both spot-on, and surprisingly mature.

"To Martinez" is getting a few offerings:

"to frustrate immensely by talking only in soundbites (i.e. 'Phenomenal', 'Unique', 'Character')"

"to watch a completely different game to everyone else."

"to under-perform whilst having the potential to achieve much more."

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This lad stops crosses – something Baines has stopped doing. Fullbacks used to take the winger out; now, he gives him space and time to pick his pass or cross. Just shit defending, marking space.... Fuck me, we wouldn't do that in Sunday League!

I like him a lot, but, for a young player, he is injury prone, and that does not augur well for him, or us.

Very good of him to come out and say he was crap against Arsenal, as he was, probably his worst performance in a blue shirt, not many players come out and say that, but the cynic in me, just wondering why it has taken so long for him to say it....

In a way, he is defending Martinez's decision to sub him. Although I think any Manager would probably have taken him off that day.

I don't mind them grovelling about winning 3-0 when it should have been 4-0 but about being in the bottom half of the table? They are completely demotivated by dreadful management.

McCarthy and Cleverly are bit-part at best. Mo is the future. He needs to be playing and he needs to be setting a similar standard. He needs to be played every game that it is POSSIBLE to play him and get over this injury affliction.

What are we gonna do instead ... Go out and pick up two midfield players of a similar quality to Barry in the off – season? Sure we've now got £60 million lying around due to new owner.

Barry is gonna go over the hill one day soon and if we aren't ready and prepared it is gonna hit hard. Very hard. Mo needs to play in every game possible for him to play.

I like it that he is self critical when he has one bad game, it means he cares. Players like Barry are very hard to replace, so comfortable on the ball.

Sorry to the Besic supporters but I think his "honest assessment" is a little less honest than you do and he will probably be rewarded by his manager for supporting his decision publicly by playing next game.