Jones: We need to get hungry feeling back

Please shut the door on the way out with your puppet master.

This is the same prick who told Ossie we don't practice corners as you only get three in a game and a corner won't influence a result.

Gets boring listening to endless talk with never any action.

I sit behind the dugout and the first you see of him is around the 70 minute mark, he creeps out of the dugout and starts whispering into the "indecisive one's" ear. Next thing is Lennon or someone else who's been doing more than Barkley, McCarthy, etc is coming off.

Ten minutes later, same thing: "Eh boss, we're 2 goals up 'ere, we might go on an fuckin' win it if we're not careful... think we should bring Ossie and Bryan on, just to make sure we get the draw, like."

What a useless pair! Please Bill, Mr Moshiri – get rid of both asap!!!!!

Anyone else remember the stick Kevin Keegan got in the last game at Wembley when all he had in terms of addressing England being overrun by Germany was to take big breaths? He admitted he had no idea what else to do and this is exactly the same clueless response.

No chance of practicing set piece attacking or defending drills then Graeme? Or addressing the huge gaps let at the back by full backs pushing far too forward without support? No I didn't think so either.

One of these managers will look at the first game and look at what went wrong and what went right and come up with tactical alternatives to address whilst the other will try and recreate the same set of circumstances in the hope that the scenario plays out in exactly the same way. Guess which one is which.

The clue is that we could known that ahead of the game but this idiot has just restated that that is exactly the plan. You can almost see the clueless puzzlement unfolding on his face when his opponent actually does something different to what they did last time, like it just isn't fair. This is a summary of Martinez and his crew over the last seven years.

Hey, Jones, you started it. Unfuckinbelievable

Newsflash: we have won fuck all – yes, fuck all in 21 years, yet we go into this semi-final with the winners playing either Watford or Crystal Palace – it doesn't get any better then that, this is our chance. Fucking support, your team manager and all.

At the end of the season, get the pitchforks out by all means, but while we have a chance of winning a cup, as slim as it might seem – get behind the team and manager, ffs. Coyb

Waste of time and space. Even Steve Round gave me more confidence. Speaks volumes that he is suddenly giving interviews.

Could he be caretaker manager next week? Bloody hope not.

Another bullshit merchant – at least Martinez has taught somebody something.

If you really believe that's how things are, it's little wonder you and your boss can't buy a win.

I agree, it is lamentable that some resort to name-calling the manager and slinging gratuitous insults in his direction; we are taking steps to control the worst of it on here.

But I think you need to separate this from the fantastic support the fans provide, at least at the away games. Hopefully you heard them go through the entire song sheet last night — it got caught the way those annoying away fans get captured by the field-effect mics that we find so annoying on the TV coverage from Goodison Park.

However, I shouldn't need to tell you there is an extremely high level of frustration with Roberto's management of the team; more than 80% of our readers have voted for him to be gone, and that frustration gets revitalized by each successive poor performance on the field. That, I'm sure, will continue to be expressed on these threads.

To an extent, I'm sure it's a reflection of the trepidation and anxiety that bedevils games at Goodison Park, and we'll get another episode of that on Saturday. But I am sure that, if the team plays well and shows some spirit on the field, the crowd will get behind them. Sadly, spirit is something that was almost entirely absent from the side in the last two home games.

It's likely that our ex-Wigan staff are also out of their depth, but I expect that they have to toe a certain philosophical line or else. I think it's unfair to be critical of Graeme Jones in this instance. He was asked a question and has to come up with a positive answer on the party line, or else.

Just heard Ronald Koeman on Sky Sports News. Strange that he didn't seem worried at all. Totally relaxed. Talking sense. Please Bill, please put us out of our misery.

If winning all our remaining games and the FA Cup means he remains as our manager, then I suppose I will just have to grin and bare it. Whoever is in charge, I will always support the team and would never wish for a loss.

A majority? You're not making that up, are you?

Graham, I don't even know who you are or what you do at our club.

This tosser would be better served keeping his head down given the performance of the team over the last couple of seasons and coming up with a game plan for the semi.

Graeme (who the fuck is he) Jones. Polish up your CV Mr Jones, you will hopefully be needing it soon.

Honestly, there is not one single GENUINE fan out there that would have us lose a semi, just to enable the departure of a manager.

It's frustration and anger, maybe knee-jerk reactions who knows. But "majority" is pushing it just a tad.

You seem to base your post on inextricably linking support with the team with support for the manager. They are not one and the same at all. I am a season ticket holder who supports the team home and away and, due to the long term damage Martinez and his lieutenants Jones and Lawrence are doing to the club I see nothing incongruent in calling for their dismissal. They are transitory, the club and supporters were here long before they were and will be here long after they have gone.

I agree that the more vicious comments and behaviours have no place, but clown? Fair game when you watch his pressers; he is a total deluded embarrassment to the club with the stuff he comes out with.

I find it most bizarre though that you cite "Inept" as a pejorative insult when I can only see it as a particularly apt and totally accurate descriptive comment with plenty of evidence to support it.

I will be at the semi-final, supporting the Blues Martinez or not, but that's all it is, a Semi-final. A lot to do still and nothing won. It gets plenty better than that.

I can take getting beat by a better side, can take getting beat by a completely flukey goal and can just about take getting beat when we have an isolated off day. The thing that really sticks in my throat is how toothless we are. When I look back at some of the bad sides we had, for most part, effort was always there. Too often this team just look like they don't care.

I guess fitness plays a big part in this as most of the team don't look remotely capable of pulling their tripe out for the full 90 minutes. There have been very few games this season, and last season come to mention it, where the side has run themselves into the ground. The amount of times that we chase a game in the latter stages of the game and we just seem incapable of finding the energy to mount a late charge.

There are a myriad of reasons why a lot of fans want Martinez gone, not least the results of the last 2 years – not just the last 2 games. However, the main reason that Goodison is so quiet and has been for a good while is that, allied with the slow to boring build up play, the players (whether this is coached out of them or not) do not show any kind of effort and commitment on a sustained basis.

Peter Larkin, we, the crowd, have shown an unbelievable amount of support to Martinez and his dodgy tactics only to be repaid with inept, tepid, sterile performances on a regular basis. Just in case you need a quick reminder of how we support the team at home, just take another look at the Chelsea cup game a few weeks ago.

You may be sick to death of the same soundbites but so am I with people having a go at the loyal crowd who follow this club everywhere. We will be ready at Wembley to cheer the team to the rafters and I guarantee that we will drown out the Mancs. But don't expect everybody to take all those awful performances over the last 2 years on the chin and also do so with a smile.

We know when we're being mugged off and Martinez is doing a right royal job. If we get beat in the Semi or the final it won't be the fans fault for voicing their displeasure at terrible league games, it will be Martinez's fault for doing a shocking job of preparing, or lack thereof, the players sufficiently to consistently win games.

I recognise that I could be in a minority here though and sorry to insult Witton Albion.

I believe these two aspects to be the main fundamental issues that need addressing at the club. I don't know what goes on in training, but it certainly is not fixing the same old problems we have, week-in & week-out.

But the thing is this. We have a very poor manager, and, while I hate to say this, we have a very poor team.

However, with the slight prospect of us winning silverware after a 21-year drought, perhaps it is time, temporarily at least, to get behind this very poor manager, and his equally poor team in the hope that we, the fans, can inspire them to something special.

Clutching at straws maybe, but COYB!

I don't think you're in the minority at all. Most intelligent Evertonians will see that even dropping down to the Championship will be beneficial to the club in the long term if it means getting rid of Martinez. More beneficial, that is, to being stuck with him for another 5 years which could cripple the club for decades.

I constantly call for Martinez's head and use the c-word (clown). Does that mean I want the team to lose, absolutely not. I always want Everton to win.

However, I happen to think that if we changed the manager now then we might just have a chance of winning the cup as opposed to the very slim chance we have with the current manager and team performances.

He is blatantly not good enough at his job and never was.

Don't take my opinion do some research and check his record it is dire to say the least
Our football is turgid and predictable. Our players look unfit and some not interested. We have won 9 league games all season.

Is that the Everton you want, not me, I want to see a team that is well drilled into n the basics and plays in a manner that shows ambition to win football matches.

Sometimes hard decisions have to be made and we cannot continue with this "Let's see how the next few games go" mentality.

But for some it has become a choice between winning a Cup or sacking the manager. And for what it's worth it's probably a pretty realistic reflection of the situation.

For sure Martinez stays if we win the Cup, he might go if we don't.

For me I can't get past winning something, it hasn't happened much recently. I'd take more time with Roberto in charge should I watch us lifting the Cup in May.

We won't find the Saints such a pushover this time, as their new boys have had time to bed-in, they are on a good run, and they are away, and will do what we did at their place. Sit deep and wait to pick us off on the break.

Can't see why we should suddenly change the habits of a season and actually play well at home.

He said. You can't have a favorite formation for the simple fact that, as managers, we have to adapt not to what we would like, but what we have to work with.

Meanwhile, our manager insists on a philosophy that is not working, with players that struggle to adapt to it.

If we win then they should get on the open top bus, after the St.Georges Hall spiel they are nice and close to Lime Street Station to go wherever, forever.

By the way Peter (#17) I didn't call Martinez an inept shithouse clown once on this thread so I suppose that puts me in your minority that wants us to WIN the semi.

As you said... fucking unbelievable.. statement !!

That is how to entertain your fans, Graeme and Roberto. I hope you were watching the redshite tonight. Hunger? Spirit? Energy? CHEMISTRY? Fitness? It was all there and the manager had a good fucking deal to do with it. Watch, fucking learn and fuck off.

My son (who was with me to watch that dross last night at Palace) just said "Why haven't I ever had a night like that from Everton?" I had no answer. I just feel sick. He's 32 by the way.

I just heard that 'No-one wants to leave Anfield at the moment.' Some Blues on this site have stated that they no longer want to visit Goodison.

They have a great manager who they believe in, who can inspire his team, makes good sensible substitutions etc.

We have a joke of a manager who I certainly don't believe in. Sometimes I hate being a blue and have to remind myself that we are worth 20 Liverpudlians.

I don't feel like that tonight. My expectations for next week are at my lowest. The only thing that would cheer me up is that we sacked the tool along with the Wigan mob he put on our gravy train.

I for one will be voicing my dis-satisfaction at the Southampton game. Hopefully someone will hire a plane.

Martinez Out.

I am sure he was equally as culpable at Wigan as RM. What a pair of losers.

Again, our only chance is to sack Martinez asap if we are to save anything from this season.

Wasn't he part of the Monty Python team?

And spare me a bollocking for saying it but we need to do better than match the RS if we ever hope to achieve success.

I felt quite sick tonight seeing the passion, the fire and the sheer excitement generated at our neighbours match and realised we can never, ever enjoy that kind of night as long as Martinez remains in charge. They sacked Rodgers when they were already above us in the table and Klopp has shown what can be done in a short space of time by a manager who actually knows how to manage! He's instilled belief, confidence, team spirit and yes, 'chemistry' into his team in a few short months.

We're almost up to three years of suffering Martinez's great philosophy experiment and he's still saying we're making progress while we slide inexorably into the realm of the relegation also-rans. Surely, even for Kenwright, enough is enough!

Greame Jones, ex North Shields, Bridlington United, Doncaster, Wigan, St Johnstone, Southend, Boston United, Bury, Clyde, and Hamilton Academic footballing legend.....

What top top professionals our club employ.

Who amongst us would have recognised that we needed to get our hunger back ?

This is one Jones you're gonna have to learn to keep up with

The problem obviously is when you haven't been a top player and you then demonstrate a shit and steadily declining managerial career over say, seven years or so, with a couple of clubs which ends in relegation, people start looking at the whole picture and drawing conclusions. Most people do anyway.

I would have thought Everton fans would know who he is by now :)

These comments about losing games or dropping down to the Championship if it meant Martinez going are just ridiculous. Be careful what you wish for. Of course, assuming Martinez took Everton down next season, he would resign anyway as he has declared in the past that he wasn't the one to bring a team back up

Or may I add death by a thousand cuts by armed clowns (Martinez, Jones) et al.

It's not knee-jerk reaction about Martinez. We are closer to the bottom of the league than the top, and this is after nearly three years.

We blew it in the League Cup semi, when 3-1 up due to bad management. As for the remaining games and semi-final I hope we win them all.

I support Everton through thick and thin but we need a new manager and sooner rather than later. Martinez's record is one of decline with the teams he has managed, as again seen with his record with us.

As a coach he's a clown who has followed Martinez around failing clubs, Mourinho has won a fair bit.

No really the same.

He is back on site for the second phase of work on Monday so I spoke to him for the first time since last August today.

His first words this morning were, "What did I tell you about Martinez, he's turning you into Wigan, you will go down within the next two seasons!!"

Get rid now.

I've never heard of him??

I'll also classsify Duncan Ferguson as that as well.

Is he the ball boy?

To be fair, I have heard the same rumour as Jeff 10 that he is the one who actually sorts out the subs.

If this is true, what is the point of Bobby then?

I wondered what exactly what Jones did. I thought he just slithered off the bench and gently whispered into Martinez' ear that a change might be necessary. Martinez, who usually has the appearance of a man who has walked into the kitchen and then forgotten what he'd come in for, then brings off Lennon, which is his default setting, and sends on any one but Niasse.

Jeff Armstrong #10 has nailed it, and I wonder if Jeff is the guy who was on the radio the other week saying just that, that Jones calls the shots?

Then again, they could at least say something inspirational or interesting, but not if you're a fuckwit like Jones or Martinez, it just comes out as bollocks every time!

The pressure must be mounting.

Hopefully the "not very special" one was told his fortune at the board meeting yesterday.

This gobshite gets up a couple of times during the game, whispers something to Martinez, probably to ensure we fuck it up, and then sits down.

Now I don't fully understand what Baines was getting at in his "chemistry" comments, but I think he was referring to the lack of team spirit and motivation. Regarding Jones, he mentions hunger and freshness. Hunger is passion, desire, drive and motivation. Freshness is the opposite of stale.

Between the two, they have both effectively said what is currently lacking. We all see it every week, The same message spoken by two people, both correct but one gets a public bollocking.

Go figure.

Not his brother. But I also wouldnt own up to it if I was!

:)