Martinez: A horrible experience for everyone involved

This season has gone from bad to worse. It's pretty hard to take because we have such a good group of players. I do think Martinez time at Everton is up; question is who?

This is a joke isn't it? Following this string of non-results with the injuries and suspensions we have now, he seriously doesn't think much motivation will be needed? Really?

Can we please get some form of reaction from Moshiri? Or is he not what we were hoping he is and maybe just another mate of BKs to help prop up Martinez's paycheck?

Martinez was quoted on this site on April 9 as saying: "I need to show that [I am the right man]. I'm not someone who is going to come up with excuses. I am the first one who wants Everton to be competing for silverware and playing attractive football.

"I want us to play eye to eye against any club in the country and getting to where I believe we should get. That's not going to happen overnight. But I don't have to sell any smoke. I need to win football games in order for that fans to understand that's the way forward.

"I expect that the scrutiny and the disappointment will be there when we don't win football games. My job is to win games then you can see where we are and where we go. The fans and myself want the same thing, which is Everton winning every weekend and winning silverware.

"‘I have incredible belief in what we can achieve. I need to take responsibility for the expectations created but that's my job.

"All I need is time to make sure we get a winning team that plays attacking football that can take us where Everton should be in my opinion, which is winning silverware."

He has failed!

Bored, unmotivated, waiting to see what happens over the summer; that describes the fans AND the players.

At this point, I don't really care who's on the sidelines the rest of the season, as long as it's not Martinez.

Best talent in Europe??

Hahaha have you actually asked yourself how daft that sounds given the paucity of quality we have witnessed this season you fraud?

The players don't escape the blame for me either though, totally spineless bunch of losers that never ever will break the shackles of being big game losers and big game bottlers.

We haven't got one single big game motivator amongst our players, and I wouldn't lose sleep if the entire lot of them were flogged this summer and we started from scratch again, it's obvious we need wholesale changes at this club.

None of them are worth their salt in my opinion after that horror show and the pathetic season as a whole.

Martinez should have been sacked weeks ago. (or last summer) and he should certainly have been sacked before this defining week and Big Joe Royle given the job until the end season to at least add and instill some passion amongst our pussy cat players.

It's all too late though, we all saw last night coming that's arguably the saddest thing about it and we can see Saturday coming too with this manager and players representing the club.

I said a day before last night's execution that I wanted Everton to surprise me, that we are the only club in the league that never does surprise element....
Well I got the usual what I expected , another embarrassing limp wrist display from the lot of them, I said we wouldn't have a shot on target all night because we rarely score at Anfield.

It happened just as I expected, how sad is that for a Merseyside derby??

We should be used to it now though, the last 10 years it's been arguably the most one sided derby in England.

Do one Martinez and when you leave take as many of your overrated pussy cats as possible with you.

More 'jam tomorrow' from Martinept. We should change our sponsors from Chang to Hartleys.

"we've always showed a strong character and responsibility" – does he actually believe that shite he's spouting.

Clueless and any board with ambition would have put this clown out of his misery months ago.

All I ever see is a team with the backbone of a jellyfish..

Can't defend when gifted with 2-0 leads, can't see out the win when they score in injury time!!

Character???

Maybe the board need to show balls and character and sack him today... Right now!!

Liverpool were in crisis when they came to Goodison in October but still put in a gritty battling performance that had character but they sacked Rodgers that evening and that to me tells you the major difference between the standards of both clubs.

It's why we can no longer match Liverpool regardless of personnel. Standards and ambitions are light years apart.

What a perfect quote to sum up the complete and utter defensive shambles that has characterized most of this wretched season. I laughed out loud, partly in hysteria and partly in rage, when he said this. The single biggest reason 'we don't defend properly' Señor Martinez is YOU. No practice, no tactics, no idea. Adios.

He clearly has to go though. I think the whole club would benefit from it happening before Saturday too.

Wigan actually lost a match 9-1 that to me says everything you need to know, and it was only when Martinez took over the Wigan job did the league positions start deteriorating after years of stability under Bruce and Jewell.

He is a Championship manager that should count himself immensely fortunate that he has escaped managing in the Championship after taking Wigan down then leaving them saying "I'm not the man to win you promotion ".

How right you were Bobby, because you may well have been managing in League 1 with Wigan now.

Shockingly poor manager, shockingly poor managerial team altogether including Dunc and little Mickey Mouse Graeme Jones and Dennis "what does he do" Lawrence.

We have the look of a team in relegation trouble, the whole set-up of the club looks relegation fodder from the top down.

Not only would we still get beaten, our club, fans included, would be pilloried for switching coaches at the most vital point in the season.

And could it actually get any worse?

A number of ToffeeWebers on other posts have commented how Martinez has reduced so many fans to feelings of apathy about the team. I am not apoplectic about last night's result as I should be – it was expected. He has left the players bereft of passion and it also appears to be rubbing of on the fans. A very sad state of affairs.

Please do the honourable thing and resign.

If we can keep Man Utd down to 3 goals wouldn't that be like winning the Cup.

Must go the men in white coats are coming to take me away, take me away. Ahhhhh please tell me he's been sacked. I can't take any more.

But last night was like playing several collections of players who hadn't even been introduced. It is not remarkable that the best Everton player was the one who always has to play a different game from everyone else, the goalkeeper.

Bryan Oviedo is a talented, intelligent footballer, but he was dreadful, Funes Mori was unlucky to be sent off for a standard Liverpool training ground tackle (if it had been Gerrard or Suarez's third one, the ref would just have asked for a couple of extra days holiday with the team before giving a yellow – or booking the fouled player for diving), and Lukaku didn't get a decent ball after about 15 minutes (anyone else noticed that he loses heading duels to anyone within 10 yards of the ball, and who is anything less than 14 inches shorter?).

But ultimately, this team is demoralised – Stones has been ruined, Barkley is now fat and slow, Baines is fighting a mental war between loyalty and knowing that, as a senior professional, he has a duty to the other players, Lukaku's agent is saying "look what he has done this year playing for a team like that" and Lukaku himself is doing his best not to be seen, Deulofeu is another "nerves" player who has been reduced from the most exciting player in England to a clod who can no longer dribble, pass and knows every one of his crosses will be to no one at all.

In fact, the only possibility of getting anything other than humiliated on Saturday is to fire the manager today. His current contribution is entirely negative. Even if he came up with a plan which synthesised the collective capability of Alex Ferguson, Mourinho, Paisley, HK mk 1, Old Big 'Ed, Jock Stein and Napoleon Bonaparte, it would fail.

I guess we are no longer involved in two competitions, eh Roberto? What a comedian this fella is.

We've got such an exciting squad, with huge potential that a decent manager could help them realise. And that's the only chance we've got to keep some of our top player's, cos if Martinez stays they'll be off.

Little sidenote: I reckon a lot of Reds have been reading this thread to see how we reacted to that joke of a match last nite. I know I'd be reading their forum if our lads had have hammered them 4-0 last nite :/

Training is probably a bit of a kick about and come match day, the likes of Barkley, Deulofeu, Lukaku produce glimpses of flair and few wonder goals and they're lauded to all that they're the best in the world!!!!

It's frightening and like you, I wouldn't be sorry to see any of this current crop move on. Give me the likes of Cahill, Kilbane, Neville over this lot. I never thought I'd say that but the current lot don't give a flying shit!!

However, the one I would dearly love to keep out of the so-called best youngsters in Europe is John Stones. I love watching him play when he's on form and with the right manager will go to the top. That I'm sure of but all the others, not for me thanks.

But let's please get shot of him before Saturday. It's our only hope.

Anyone surely can see the enormity of this sad situation. It's not just the team that he is making a laughing stock of but the board, fans and entire club and its standing!

The very worst idea of all is that there might be the slightest chance whatsoever that this manager may actually still be in charge next season. It's not merely an important stage of our season but our club's entire state of well being NOW and for numerous seasons to come!!!

We have some good players out on loan and some coming through so we will come good again but the wasted 3 years will take time to put right. We are all on tenterhooks waiting for Martinez to go... but be careful what you wish for – a good coaching football manager is what we need – not someone who talks a good game because of the influence TV has on the game.

No celebs – let the team do the talking on the pitch.

I remember a letter to the Echo a while ago, something like cross words where the writer scorned that we would forever be in the shadow of LFC, he or she got slated the following week however it looks like they were right, we just cant shake this inferiority complex can we. Friggin losers every one of them.

Oh and I believe RM has offered his resignation after last night but BK refused, says it all really. No ambition, RM is staying.

Fans are now not even looking forward to Saturday. If he left, it'd be a carnival atmosphere. And can you imagine the relief among the players 'hey lads we don't have to play 870 passes every move!!!!!'

Big Joe & Dunc would fire them up and the crowd would be bouncing. Can you honestly see much singing/atmosphere with that clown in-charge? Not saying we'd win if he left, but it'd significantly improve our chances.

#MartinezOutBeforeSemi

"I beieve RM has offered his resignation after last night but BK refused, says it all really. No ambition, RM is staying."

Source?

Mori 'unlucky' to be sent-off for that tackle???

You're almost as deluded as our shit manger.

It was a potential leg-breaker and a red card all day long.

He needs utter bollocking for doing that when were already short of defenders.

We seen at Chelsea how a team stop performing when they want a manager gone, look howith they're playing now. I think the same is happening at our club, they didn't give a shit last night at all, and have steadily been declining all season.

Were did you get your source from regarding Martinez resignation offer?

This useless board probably won't flinch at this latest debacle under this fruitcake of a so called football manager.

Why hasn't there been a press conference by the club explaining the situation we are in; a press conference by an Everton Rep other than the Spanish politician who continues to spout shite and admits no blame!

When Martinez does go, we will eventually get to hear the truth about his training philosophy, or lack of it. Why the players are so unfit, how he has destroyed the confidence of some of the best young talent in the game. What game he lost the dressing room and the possible in-fighting between him and the older players.

And last night just put fuel on the fire. We need to take the stick from them Reds, hold our heads high, say we knew it was always going to happen, and get behind our team on Saturday.

Sorry but you're talking rubbish about the talent we have. This manager has totally destroyed the confidence, ability and motivation in most of this squad but especially the young lads.

You only have to look over the park to see what Klopp has done to revive a very average Liverpool squad. Look at Leicester..........the players can't get their kits on quick enough and will run into walls. Martinez has never had that with these players.

Baines's behaviour said everything you need to know about how much Roberto is respected in the dressing room.

When you add in Barkley's reaction to being subbed, the lack of effort from Romelu and a professional footballer subject to a bid of 㿎 million in the summer coming off in a massive game against your local rivals with stomach cramps it tells you the man has to go.

I was defending him and pleading for patience and was one of those 800 or so who voted to stick with him but the last few weeks have changed my mind. He clearly has lost his way and the players have joined him. Time for a change, never like seeing anyone losing their job but it is the right thing to do and if he has any sense of self worth or honesty he'll hand his resignation in.

Horrible experience is true. Even more horrible if we have to witness the capering con-man of a manager stood on the touch line with his arms folded.

Please Everton get shut of this man today, tomorrow or any time before the semi-final. Let the caretaker manager put out the kids, if necessary, and let us go down all guns blazing.

If miracles do happen, we might even win.

But please not under the manager who is destroying our grand old club.

Truly horrendous to see us fall this low.

Do one,Bobby, and take 'What A Chairman'Kenwright with you.

Quite sad to say that, but BK has done the club a massive disservice with his illogical loyalty .to the deluded one. Perhaps it is down to his medication

His post match comments made me sick. He basically told us to forget last night and move on to the semi final. All he cares about is the bloody cup. He doesn't give a fig about our league position. Only today there's a great piece on BBC Sport that really tears him to bits, 'hapless Martinez' they're calling him. He's turned us into a laughing stock, so no more for me until he's gone. MARTINEZ OUT

His post match comments made me sick. He basically told us to forget last night and move on to the semi final. All he cares about is the bloody cup. He doesn't give a fig about our league position. Only today there's a great piece on BBC Sport that really tears him to bits, 'hapless Martinez' they're calling him. He's turned us into a laughing stock, so no more for me until he's gone. MARTINEZ OUT.

If we win the cup now its all going to feel a bit strange...a good strange...but strange nonetheless.

Absolutely spot on mate

No more to be discussed or said on the matter

That tackle by Mori sums up the team at the moment. I wonder if that was a lash out of pure frustration by Mori. He doesn't seem the type and I hope he learns from that stupidity.

There is about as much hope of this team winning that Semi Final on Saturday as me spending the weekend with Miss World.

There is no "if we win the Cup".

Just as we knew we would get torn a new one at Anfield, we know the big game bottlers will be back on display on Saturday teatime making our curry taste even more sour.

And whilst I'm posting what the fuck was that all about with G Jones all of a sudden starting to give it large last night? Just what has he fucking had to offer this club so far?

Completely agree. Nothing more irritating to me than fans and pundits alike spouting the 'if we win the cup' line. Utter fantasy. I said the same before the City semi-final and we are in even worse shape now. No work rate, no team spirit, a hapless manager, in total limbo.

Plus I don't see how anyone who stands to be paid out when sacked would be stupid enough to walk for free, not when that person is as delusional as the fool we are referring to.

Well, at least Saturday will be one big piss up, might be that bladdered, I won't remember 90 minutes in Wembley stadium.

Never, ever have I heard "Ole, ole, ole" ringing out from THEM in a derby and if anyone had told me I ever would have heard it I'd have thought them off their trolley. Yet the fact is they and we played in a way, for minutes on end, where it was fully justified.

I'll bellow my own "Ole, ole, ole!!!" when Martinez is fired and Kenwright and Elstone have left the board. Please, Mr Moshiri, make it happen.

Mike 68, it was a bad tackle, and I agree we have seen hundreds of them down the years, but the grabbing of the badge was fucking pathetic. My 16 year old son, came home early from Anfield, and he said people we're cheering him when he done that.

Fucking daft, some people is what my lad said. How can you cheer him for grabbing the badge, when he's left us to play with ten men for 35 Mins? I had to agree with my son for once.

Not even an electronic acknowledgement in reply of course.

Well this is Kenwright's Everton isn't it, and fuck all to do with fans, whatever they are.

You can put any player you care to mention in the team but his turgid tactics stay the same. I've been bored shitless at most home matches since he came – and I'm including his first year. Yes, we came 5th but most games were won with 5 efforts on goal at best.

Not great viewing when after a weeks work busting your gut out you have to go to Goodison with your hard earned money to be 'entertained'. Get him out he's lost the dressing room, he's lost the audience and I want the man gone asap.

When it finally comes to an end, that sentence will be the perfect epitaph for the Martinez era at Everton Football Club.

With a better manager who takes defence seriously and not as a nuiscance Stones will flourish. I don't want Moyes back but he turned Baines and Jagielka into England Internationals something RM has totally reversed.

Lukaku is 21 - what will he be like as he gets older and wiser ?

Barkley has stopped developing but a good coach will sort him out.

Throw the bath water out asap but lets keep hold of the baby.

Being the next Villa is my greatest fear at present.

The appointment of Martinez has gone horribly wrong and for several reasons. Our goals against record is desperate and our home performances disgraceful. I just cannot fathom how he can describe our away form as Champions League level with all the problems we see each week.

Team selection at times baffles me with Mirallas left out and Kone playing in a wide role as an example earlier in the season. Oviedo is just not a right back and begs the question with the decision to loan players without the ability to recall in an emergency.

I have been saying for 18 months now that he is not up to the job. We are a proud club with a wonderful history. Martinez and his backroom staff are wrecking our club.

We need the board to act urgently and sack him and get a high profile manager in before we go the same way as Villa. It hurts so much to see the impact Klopp is having at Liverpool. Another reason to change things now.

But do the board or, as time is now moving on, Mr Moshiri give a shit?

My feeling is that there are a number of better qualified coaches /managers out there who would love to work with our current set of players and who would soon have them playing football of the required standard with intelligent coaching and encouragement to our players to actually enjoy playing football again.

Who wants to play for a manager who, when he arrived spoke of Everton's proud history, of being one of the biggest clubs in the world but has now changed his tune to excuse his own failings by saying publicly that "We have not underachieved because we have never achieved anything in the first place." And he had the nerve to force Leighton Baines to apologise for his simple truths?

Every day now, the nations press are building up a head of steam in their condemnation of Martinez and his failure as Everton manager. How long does BK/Moshiri et al want this to go on, as BK's golden boy (what a manager) continues to turn us into an absolute laughing stock.

Shaka Hislop is the latest former pro, turned pundit to tell it like it is in an interview for ESPN.

There is not one other club who would continue to employ Martinez in ANY division with results like this and without doubt that failure to take action is also having an adverse effect on the players the fans and the entire club apart from Martinez's backroom sycophants.

Can't BK see from the players' body language and recent performances that Martinez has lost the dressing room, big time? God, Chelsea sacked Jose within months of being crowned champions when it was clear he'd lost the support of the players! Liverpool bot rid of Brenda when in the top half because results weren't good enough.

Do we have to wait for Martinez to get us relegated before action is taken? Our great club is bleeding to death under his failed leadership. He should go today. The look on Baines's face (twice) on Wednesday when Martinez spouted some instructions at him on the touchline after the sending off and,after the third goal said it all for me. The senior players have had enough. He's ruining the careers of so many of our players, both senior pros like Baines and the younger ones like Stones who is encouraged to go ahead and make mistakes rather than being coached how to avoid making them in the first place.

Sod the semi final. Is he really going to pull off a magical turn around in the next 24 hours? He's the nearest thing I've seen to a Kamikaze manager, hell bent on seeing his team nose dive into oblivion.

MARTINEZ OUT