Cleverley lauds 'magnificent' Everton fans

The players can't really win, and neither can we. If the players come out and speak, we want them to shut up. If no one said a tap, then we would want to know why.

Same in regards to players under-performing. If a player is continually stinking the place out, then what is he to do, drop himself? Kone and Howard have been two of the biggest culprits this season, Barry was the same last season.

As fans we can't change the team sheet, it's all down to the manager. Same for Roberto too; he's guilty of under performing, but what is he to do, quit!

It's not going to happen, Bill is his boss, Bill is telling him he's doing a good job, and Roberto believes him.

We all have issues with Roberto and many of the players' performances, but either Bill or Moshiri have to step up and do the inevitable.

Sack Roberto now.

"Tough couple of days" grates. At least he's being honest.

The fans created that effort in the second half. And if that's a bit over the top I'd probably not argue but would at least maintain the fans absolutely pushed the team on and the effort was, in no small part, a result of the incredible support created.

The fans were simply marvelous yesterday. It was a wonderful thing to see and hear over the television.

I couldn't even imagine being there and being a part of that. It seemed as honest, robust, and raw an emotional plea to the players to just give it everything they had.

I thought the players most definitely responded to the supporters. And it was awesome.

How in the hell are you still blaming Howard for what has happened? Did I miss something or are we still conceding goals from crosses? Is Stones still getting one assist a game for the other team? Do we still not know how to mark or play defense?

Funny, I watched the Crystal Palace show on NBC and they played part of Pardew's speech before the game to the players. He was telling them to press the Spurs players everywhere whenever they had the ball. He also actually assigned specific players to man-mark specific individuals.

No, you are right, it was Howard. Bollocks.

I'm hoping you've got crossed wires.

I'm clearly blaming Bill Kenwright as he is the man who employs the man, capiche!!

I don't know where that came from, as all Ant was saying is that Martinez lets players sit in the team when they are quite clearly under-performing.

You didn't seem bothered by the mention of Kone or Barry but lost your head over Howard? Strange reaction.

Howard was poor all season, yet Martinez persisted with him. The defense is also poor. Martinez is terrible. But Howard is washed up.

Nobody was blaming the last matches on Howard, they were pointing to the fact that Martinez stuck with Howard the past 2 seasons despite countless errors and poor performances – similar to how he sticks with other under-performing players to the team's detriment.

Let's look at the penalty and clearly Baines was up to take it but no, total indiscipline in the team allowing Lukaku to take it. Had he scored it would have gone under the carpet but his record of taking penalties is atrocious. Had Baines missed I would have said okay but I just knew that Lukaku would miss as his whole technique telegraphs exactly what he is going to do.

In the last few minutes both teams were looking for a winner but Man Utd had taken out insurance by putting players back behind the ball while we were still open not doing the defensive work, typically not playing to the final whistle.

So who do we blame, its not bad luck because it's been the same all season, perhaps its the players or maybe it the manager. I reckon it's a combination of all three we are just unlucky to have a team so disjointed run by a madman who sees the game in such away he could have been watching a game of ladies netball.

Can Everton afford to let Martinez stay? Well, that's a decision for the owners. The only way supporters can effect change is to stay away and not waste their time and money until we see a real plan for the future and to take this club to the top again.

Paper talk has Moyes coming back but I would rather keep Martinez. Maybe Moyes back in as a director of football might work – then you get pragmatism with adventure something akin to Martinez first season. Mix and match with long balls and possession but clearly an emphasis on defending at all costs. Just a change in philosophy – take what works and fix what does not.

Me heart bleeds for you, Tom, lad. We – the unpaid – will be suffering for much longer wondering how you and Lukaku managed to miss so many clear cut chances between you.

"Couple of days"??? ... It's 21 fucking years, son.

I think you have totally misread what Anthony said in his post.

I've been to Wembley, many times to watch the blues, and although I thought the colour was beautiful, and "Wembley way", definitely belonged to Evertonians, most turned up simply because it's what we do.

We have no real hope at the minute, but even then, we was good enough to suck the ball down to our end of the pitch? You don't know us yet lad!

Saturday just didn't feel right, on or off the pitch though, because although we turned up, this manager has SUCKED too much life out of Everton Football Club, and it's fantastically loyal supporters. The time for real change, is upon us. Please!

Celebrating when we scored celebrating was one of the best moments of my life. When Martial scored, then the game ended seconds later it was one of the worst. He was in floods of tears, and I have to say I nearly was too. It was heartbreaking.

I have to say a massive thank you to the fans who came over to him and gave him a hug, and told him it would be ok in the end. One guy even gave him a £1. Our fans our truly the best and deserve so much more.

I wish a could have gone down to the dressing room and dragged Lukaku up to see my lad (and no doubt many others). Maybe he should concentrate on learning how to control a ball when he's clean in on goal, or leaving penalties to the best man for the job before spouting off about how good he is, and how he wants to play at "the top level".

We were here before and we'll all be here long after he and Martinez have gone.

Everton forever !!

This little incident explains how Martinez has lost control and doesn't plan – surely there should be an instruction that the 'best' penalty taker (Baines) takes it unless he's off the field.

Lukaku relies on power; Baines on placement. De Gea is a good keeper – only accurate placement would beat him – it's not bloody rocket science!!

We seriously need to let Rom go to play at his "higher level" Maybe the new boy will be the breath of fresh air we need. 25 goals from open play, tackles back, 20 assists, goes the whole season uninjured and unsuspended, PFA players player of the year, makes lame beggars walk and blind men see and... and... and. oh well, I can dream.

And on the support, fantastic, well done, you certainly did your bit.... onwards and upwards COYB

I was expecting Baines to take the pen, after Lukaku missed the last one, never been confident with Lukaku taking them.

As for the fans, once we got behind the team in the second half they started to play as we know they can. It's that slow tippy-tappy side to side backwards forwards back to where you started that bores the fans to death, we can hardly get exited about that.

The missed pen seemed to be the catalyst for them to abandon the 'Martinez way' and they started to play, helped by us the fans pushing them on. We were great and didn't stop singing from then on, if there was an FA Cup for fans we would be in the Final every year!

I see our Leicester allocation has sold out today, despite us playing shite and it being live on TV.

As for luck evening itself out; missing penalties in cup semi-finals (and a fair few chances yourself Tom), conceding four without a shot on goal and getting a man sent off in the derby, posting the worst home record in the club's history and throwing away numerous games (including this one) in injury time has nothing to do with luck it's to do with being any good.

If you want to talk about luck we're lucky we're not going down.

They're damned if they don't say things like this, but they need to do their talking on the pitch if they really want to thank us. Gets right under my skin, patronising twaddle.

Cheers men, I'm glad someone read my post correctly, I was starting to doubt myself!!!