Gray fears Martinez may have 'lost John Stones'

How many players have actually progressed in the past year or two (apart from Niasse who is now in the big money league)?

It's becoming more and more apparent as the season has unfolded really, all our fears around the midway point this season rumoured player unrest and Martinez having problems with various members.

It's come to light now that Baines has been publicly embarrassed for speaking the truth and I believe on Saturday in that second half you saw John Stones playing on auto, he came out with I believe the anger to show pride in his own performance after his stock has fallen so low this season.

Also there's a rumour on HITC about why Niasse hasn't been playing, apparently a senior staff member isn't at all convinced by him, but to be honest, apart from the seriously gullible fans who believed Martinez when he put Niasse's absence down to fitness, we all know that his lack of action so far is NOT down to lack of fitness and certainly no injured wrist.

The guy is clearly not cut out for Premier League football and whoever gave the go-ahead to splash out 㾹.5 million needs to have a long hard look at themselves.

Just another issue in what has become a badly run circus this season.

Perhaps the board might listen to him? Probably not.

Anybody know how to get a message direct to Andy Gray? With his contacts surely he or an ex player can represent our views, which he for one obviously agrees.

He should be playing as a CDM - a screen in front of the back four. He is good in the air, he can tackle, he blocks like a boss, not to mention his dribbling and passing skills.

Yes he makes mistakes, but playing him infront will also allow him to make these mistakes with protection behind him & also take a bit of the pressure off.

When he moved up the pitch in the semi final, he was brilliant! He can dribble and pick a pass.

We need to get in one ball winning, no nonsense CB to fill his position.

Dragovic or Shawcross (even after his horrible game against city)

Leaving us with Jags (aging), Funes Mori, Dragovic/Shawcross, Galloway & Browning at the center back position - while Stones can slot back into CB, if needed.

I don't think he's tough enough to play centre half in the English league but he might do a good transition to defensive midfield, he's certainly better on the ball than McCarthy and his obvious errors of getting caught on the ball would be less magnified with a solid defence behind him..

At the moment with Stones every single error he makes is killing him because he's in the back line.

That is pretty much a whole team of players who are under performing. If it was one or two, you could maybe defend the manager, but the majority of our players are a pale shadow of themselves compared to 2 years ago - there is something drastically wrong. The buck stops with the manager.

Did you once sit next to him on a plane and he was impeccably mannered?

Some of our fans have known this for years.

Why oh why has he not been sacked yet.

Out the gates at 78!

About Niasse. Never thought I'd say this but he makes the player he replaced, Naismith, look like Messi. Jury still out due to lack of action but the omens aren't looking good.

Stones went downhill after not getting his move to Chelsea and for Chelsea to offer the money they were offering at the time obviously proves Martinez had him playing well.

Richard Keys in particular is very annoying with the bollocks he talks.

Er... Shit. Creek. Paddle, anyone?

This is because the start of the football
year is June 1 and hence will only owe one year of compensation as opposed 2 years.

It may well be hearsay but does make financial sense of true.

This is not to say he doesn't have future plans, but as of right now, it's completely irrelevant.

(PS - he's rich, but he's not a Mansour or Abramovich)

Have you maybe asked yourself why Gray and Keys were on the Stones leaving bandwagon last summer??

Maybe they saw what was coming under Martinez and maybe they have been proved right with several players not just Stones looking a shadow of what they once were.

I'm never going to say players should leave Everton to better their career but after this season and for the first time seeing a manager totally destroy so many strengths we once possessed through laziness and neglected duties, I may actually start saying it.

I always remember the regular accusations against Moyes destroying strikers and no matter what striker we signed it became a a forwards graveyard.

I believe the same can be said of Martinez with regards to the defence, he has totally neglected defensive duties.

Firstly Martinez reportedly earns £3m a year on a contract that still has three full years to run.

Assuming there are no penalty performance clauses that would allow termination, it will cost about £9m to dispense with his services.

The only difference that leaving it until the 1st June would make is it would be reported in the 2017 accounts as opposed to this years.

Unlike a certain Bobby Bollocks that has completely lost it.

Jumping in with what others have been saying for months. Not interested in his opinion.

Thierry Henry was spouting off a load of rubbish the other day too. Saying that last season Martinez brought Barkley into the team and played fantastic football. What planet's he on? Last season?

Same this season until finally the penny dropped in February. It's because on Merseyside our pundits and reporters are so red. Then the national media is illogical. If Merseyside had it's own Pat Murphy criticising the club every five minutes, the alarm bells in the media would have been ringing in October.

Bill Kenwright doesn't seem to hear the fans cries for a new manager, maybe he will hear what some of his boy hood idols have to say.

I'm all for this type of outcry.

I would like something to be set in stone for the weekends game, were as the fans can make our feelings towards Roberto known even more, but I simply don't know how it's best done.

Maybe we could turn our backs, maybe we could sing loudly for the players without singing anything to do with Martinez.

I'm not sure but something needs putting in place as I can't phantom Martinez remaining boss any longer.

........And about time too according to us True Blues!

Well done to all who've written or spoken to the media and/or signed petitions to get rid of the tosser.

Andy how about the fans stay out side the ground and voice there opinion. That way they cant be distracted by the game. A empty ground but with BOOS ringing Martinesz out would be something different.

... although he's right, to be fair.

We don't really have a Trevor Steven or a Kevin Sheedy and we have nothing that compares to an Andy Gray or Sharpie. Then we had Peter Reid and Southall. This squad is average to say the least and mid-table is probably right.

It's about time a few more pundits came out with some home truths about the manager and why his footballing philosophy is not going to work. The results speak for themselves having lost 20 pts from games we should have won, even the two semi-finals we managed to blow.

Martinez is a nice guy but talks shite and pulled off a fortunate FA Cup win beating Bournemouth, Macclesfield, Huddersfield Everton (Neville's last game) and Millwall before a late winner against Man City, so let's have some perspective here. I doubt Wigan would have got very far if not for a very fortunate draw. Even against Everton they scored 3 goals in 6 minutes, one a gifted back pass.

Anyway, we ended up with Martinez and that's it. You can't take away the cup from them, they won it... But really, is Martinez the best we can do?

You are right about the other type of compensation - effectively Gardening Leave. I'm pretty sure AVB had that when he was given the bullet at Chelsea - they paid him his salary up until he got the job at Tottenham.

If that's not the Everton Way then tough we moan about wanting him out but do nothing, keep it simple and honest, would be worth it in the long run.

At first I was all, "Yeah! yeah, you've got it spot on there Andy lad!!!"

Then I though, "Why now, you bandjumping fecker?"

It's easy to start spouting out when the rest of the footballing world has already said the same.

Its pointless sacking him now, if the rumours about the contract are correct.

We are not getting relegated this season so why pay him out a further £2/3m when we can wait for a couple of months and bin him off for a lesser amount?

In regards to Stones, he has definitely gone backwards. he used to e decent in the air and actually get the better of the bigger/older bullies of the league, but ever since his injury last year (and I imagine the transfer saga) he hasn't been the same and is constantly getting beat by the forwards.

I imagine he wants out and I would be surprised to see him here next season.

I can foresee the post Norwich game ta ra to be a quiet and somewhat empty affair.
I won't be staying to give them a round of applause.

It's only over recent months that the majority have come to realise the shiteness that is Martinez, even though what he did at Wigan was there for all to see, including BK, at the time he appointed him as our manager.

Furthermore, our views don't end up on telly of the Sky Sports website (good job sometimes too!)

The narrative around Jan 15 was very much RM needs to improve or he must go. It was certainly not a case of a blanket lets sack him now though.

My point is that as a fan base we really should learn from the misguided praise lavished on the Martinez appointment and similar after his first season. It only served to falsely raise expectations. The evidence about Martinez was always there to see but it was ignored by so many. Now it's a case that it's taken nearly 3 years for there to be a unianimous consensus that Martinez is shit, even though that was clearly the case when he relegated Wigan.

Now the same emotive, anti evidence arguments are being used to try and undermine various views such as 1) Moyes may be an option (not my number 1 choice but would be nothing like as stupid as appointing Martinez) 2) Moshiri is useless if he doesn't sack Martinez yesterday, 3) BK will not be listening to the fans. All this stuff is band wagon jumping.

I commented earlier that not only has he lost Stones but he has lost his marbles. I will change that to I believe he arrived here without his marbles and a grin a mile wide that nowhere else would a top club like EFC appoint a manager who had just relegated a team who even then was known he couldn't organise a defence.

Capt Mannering springs to mind.

Everton has moved backwards instead of forward.

No matter who replaces him....it wont be nearly as bad.

........And us fans are paying for it.

Someone with a better memory than me can provide the numbers if they see fit!

Bottom line: Adios Señor Martínez!