Stones impresses but Barkley only a sub in England win

If he gets the summer off he may be better prepared for next season which will be a massive one for him. Will he kick on or just fade away as younger versions like Davies develop.

Playing Oz tonight to replicate Wales. A lesser team who want to beat us more than we want to beat them.

No Cahill?

They don't have anyone else like him who can burst with pace from the middle of the pitch other than maybe Alli.

When we finally got rid of the idiot manager and we had an adequate stand in Ross couldn't even get a place in our eleven such is his poor form and fitness let alone the England team. Ross is a very lucky boy even to be in the provisional squad. He would probably be better served missing out on these championships, get himself to the point that he can actually last a full 90 minutes without panting like a 40 a day man ready for the start of the season. He has been a passenger in our team for quite some considerable time now and he should be ashamed of himself of how much he has let himself go. Start acting like the professional athlete he is purported to be instead of an overweight lad who can't be arsed to put any effort in for the fans who obviously adore him.

I agree too and I sort of hope he doesn't make it. So, with Stones going and Jags and Baines particularly already left out, I hope England go to penalties at some point. This way, all proper Everton players have a rest and come back refreshed for Mr de Boer.

ps: Thinking fiscally, I hope Stones stands out and Belgium win it with, yes, you've guessed it – Motor Mouth scoring say, 10.

Thought three would be cut and Sturridge and Delph seem to be injured and are a doubt. So only one place still left to be cut.

Meanwhile we dither on, no manager, no words from the Board at all. Just sitting and doing nothing. And we wonder why the young talented players might just want to move on. What the hell would you do if you were a highly sought after employee at a company showing no ambition and in no rush to even give you a manager, who sat by while the previous manager failed for two years?

Barkley is over weight. The question should be why the hell was he allowed to get that way? And why has his football gone backward? Managers matter. I would bet any on here that United and City will finish 1-2 next season after their managerial changes. But, we sit around doing nothing.

Players like Alli, Dier, Vardy, Drinkwater did develop their talent at other, successful teams who mysteriously had good managers and coaches. It ain't rocket science, and watching Stonesy playing so well tonight (okay against a bang-average side) after a couple of weeks with even Woy just emphasises what a bag of shite Martinez was.

IF we hang onto our young players, and IF we get a manager worthy of the job description, we might next season see the very same squad that's stunk the place out for two years actually win something. Leicester did it, but don't hold your breath.

I'm still questioning the logic of taking Dier to fill in at the back when he only plays in midfield because he was deemed not be good enough at centre half and moved to another position. Then he scores an OG straight away. Nuff said. That's not a go at the player, that's the media and the coaches.

Fuckin' spot on. What happened to the Ross of 2 years ago? Martinez has a lot to answer for... Stones soon shook his influence off. MotM for me.

Sadly he need Martinez exorcised from him.

If he isn't picked, like Patrick says, the rest might do him some favours, especially if the new manager can give him a kick up the arse and change his game and attitude.

He looked totally lost and lacking fitness and confidence.

On the other hand JohnStones was starting to look majestic again towards the end having done his starting chances no harm at all.

For the record I also thought Lallana and Henderson were poor and how Milner continues to get a game I don't know.

When you look at Woy's ex team finishing 8th and they have 5 players and 1 ex player in the squad you have to ask questions.

Skill he has, what he lacks is self belief (IMO).

In fairness he wasn't totally shite but I thought I was watching Everton a few weeks ago. Not impressive.

Not having a go at you Colin but you are fighting a losing battle, at the moment, defending Ross, he is playing very poorly, lacks confidence as you say, but is not working hard enough, not even getting into the game, it passes him by.

I find Ross's demise really sad and without any doubt I blame Martinez who has done nothing with regards to his fitness; his mental strength and making him aware of what is happening around him. He simply doesn't lift his head prior to the ball reaching his feet which is why he often runs into blind alleys.

I agree that he will be lucky to go to France but I hope for his confidence he does in fact make the cut, otherwise we will need a damn good manager to come in and bring him back to the talented lad we all saw in him a year or two ago.

Martinez does have a lot to answer for. Ross is the worst case but stones, who was quality tonight has had to rebuild his confidence, Baines and jags missed out, luk wants to leave.

The good news is they are not bad players and a new manager can galvanise them and build them up again. I think, unfortunately for Ross it's not gonna happen in the euros

Love the lads ability but he can't complain if he's left out based on this seasons showing

Ross doesn't deserve to go, he's playing shite and looks shite, Stones looks half decent on the ball, but clueless when defending as usual.
Should have sold both at Christmas, we'll get much less now.

Rashford is the latest media young darling, watch this space for a downward spiral.

I've more chance of winning the lottery than that clueless bunch have of winning the Euro.
They will be an embarrassment as usual!

I can sense the media warming to Stones now he's going to one of the Manchester clubs. Funny that.

As for Ross, never wanted one of ours to miss a major tournament and won't start now. Yes a break would probably benefit him in the long term but even out of form and wearing the current fat suit he has more to give than Lallana or Henderson combined.

The latter two are certs to make it though and Ross will miss out. This Is England.

As for Ross, he looks a broken player. He frustrates me so much with his positioning and his jogging back to make it look like he is closing down with out actually ever closing down or putting in a challenge. I counted 6 occasions when he should have closed down the space to prevent a pass by the Aussies but didn't bother then made a half hearted attempt to look like he was trying bit actually wasn't. He has ability but lacks self belief. Maybe the summer off might do him some good.

He is also not in any way arrogant as some on here have suggested. Quite the opposite. He's far too delicate mentally and takes criticism to heart.

Barkley is no longer a kid and, as much as I like him, he does deserve some flack. However I really think that with a new manager we will see a new Barkley. Next season is massive for this lad's career.

It's near impossible to talk Ross, Stones, and yes Lukaku; McCarthy too, without mentioning how poorly the Club's been run under Roberto.

Just a bunch of guys sent out to play on certain dates of the calendar. Because that's all we've had.

Barkley, Stones and McCarthy haven't progressed, no question.

Let's see what the next manager brings.

100% correct. He's not overweight for lack of fitness. He's put on far too much muscle. I totally agree. Can we just get a damn quality manager to take over the team now? Get them fit, instill confidence but consequence as well? Jesus. This is getting sad at this point.

Next season will be his make or break season. Personally I think he will fade into the background, he does not have the mental strength or intelligence to turn this around.

Stones will be sold no doubt about that no matter who ends up being the manager. If any of the so called top managers have been interviewed I think most of them would look at Everton and think shit this is one rebuilding job here.

Martinez inherited a good solid team and completely fucked it up. Dont be surprised to see Moyes back in to rebuild and we as fans can moan for the next 5 years.

If Barkley and Lukaku want to play for England or in the CL let them put the effort in.

Subtly, satire even.

Well done.

He remind me so much of Sebastian Deisler. He suffered from severe depression which affected his game at times.

This is from Wikipedia:

Sebastian Toni Deisler (German pronunciation: [zeˈbasti̯an ˈdaɪslɐ]; born 5 January 1980) is a former professional football player and a former international player for Germany. During his career, Deisler was employed as right winger and attacking midfielder.

Having been hailed as the future of German football at the turn of the millennium, Deisler's career proved a disappointment as the midfielder never managed to reach his full potential due to several cruciate ligament ruptures and other major injuries, as well as depression. Deisler retired from professional football in January 2007 at the age of 27.

Stones oozed class. Dont know what the fuck he is thinking; Didnt kick anyone. Didnt boot it 70 yards away from danger. Didnt even put it into row Z . .not once.

Bring back the yard dog that has served English football so well since Bobby Moore retired.

Can't argue with any of his detractors above. He really needs to up his game.

Players soon understood and got on with the game. I don't know why refs are not more like this.

I Remember the last World Cup, when I said that Gerard, shouldn't go because losing the league had took its toll both mentally and physically and was called a biased and bitter c**t, off people who should have knew better than me. He went, he was shite, and I don't think his form ever really recovered for Liverpool after that.

Barkley is obviously a lot younger, but he's not the strongest mentally, so even if he does get dropped, there is nothing to say, it will do him any good either.

We just need to worry about Everton, and pray to God, that we get a proper strong manager. One who also tells Mouriniho to fuck off, when he comes back for Stones!

They are young men and as stated is a previous post should not be moving around as though they are Sunday league park players (no disrespect intended – been there myself many years ago). Hopefully a new manager and coach will see fitness – physical and nutrition – as a major priority.

Hodgson 's judgement is so suspect. Hart apart the goalies are poor. He has chosen other players who can't hold down regular places in their clubs eg. Sterling and Cahill. Players such as Sturridge and Wiltshire Andre are injury prone. Most damning of all though is selecting only three centre backs and all three are suspect at times. If Hodgson does recognise his error I hope Jagielka tells him where to go.

He lacks what would be called football intelligence. Rooney at 16 had more game nouse than Barkley will have at 27.

Someone wrote on ToffeeWeb a while ago that 'you can't coach gormless'.

Sad but true

I watch Aaron Mooy regularly and I was interested to see how he'd get on in this game. He is head and shoulders above anyone else in the A-League...but it's hard to tell how well he'd do over in England.

He played for Bolton as a kid and made a few appearances for St Mirren but he has progressed massively since then.

If we could put his brain in Ross Barkley's head then we'd have some player.

Any decent international manager could see that Martinez's history of defence tactics is to blame. Not Roy, fucking dickhead.

Jags or Smalling? A complete no-fucking-brainer.

Barry or Drinkwater / Henderson? No-brainer.

Regarding Jags, Roy's fucked up big time.

An improved performance from Stones although against Australia. More concentration and improved awareness of space around him, albeit with a couple of lapses.

Let's watch him against a team with top class forwards before gushing over him.

The over-the-top hype is not his fault but is Rashford anything special? Not for me.

Lets hope he fulfills his potential sooner rather than later. He should be bossing games now. A huge season for him. He needs to impress the new boss or he could find himself surplus to requirements.

Now, I'm hoping just as much for them as for us that our new management team can step them up and Big Rom too.

Them three improving plus a top drawer 'keeper and we can rub our hands with glee.

Ross was sadly not at it. He looks too big as most people are also saying, and his token gesture closing down is a joke. A 6 foot tank of a lad, who won't tackle. I really hope someone gets hold of him this summer. A big talent, but big questions.

Why Hodgson continues to play players out of position is beyond me. In the Turkey game he had Kane – a centre forward – taking all the free kicks, even ones out wide, crossing the ball into the box, where he should be.

Rashford is just a big fit 18-year-old trying to impress. The fact he is in the England squad for a major tournament is purely down to who he plays for, Man Utd. His first touch is not international class, and he shouldn't be in the squad before proven strikers.

I think this team will get turned over at least once come June.

As an aside isn't it interesting that on this thread stones is stones but barkley is ross.

I hope lukaku has a great euro increases his value and leaves asap for as much money as possible.

In England's last friendly, Rashford tried to outpace a defender but picked the wrong one. The Aussie matched him and simply back heeled the ball away from him leaving Rashford wondering what had happened.

Ross should look at different players who don't tackle but successfully win the ball back.

Barkley was just as disappointing in an England shirt as an Everton shirt.

He may not not go the Euros but I have a feeling that for all Hodgson's faults he knows that Ross of all the available midfielders is the only one who can provide that bit of match winning magic.

Ross has been ridiculously over-hyped and is wildly over-rated. I've watched Everton for over 50 years and he's one of the laziest midfielders ever to pull on the Royal Blue Jersey.

He has great talent but we so rarely see it – and as Neil Warnock rightly said is a defensive liability – doesn't want to know when we don't have the ball. How good and full of energy our midfield looked without him against Norwich – Gareth Barry has been miles ahead of him since he joined the club and young Tom Davies looked a far better player.

Stones is a class act and we should keep him – selling him will be crazy. Should also try to keep Rom and give him better service by playing quicker and utilising his strengths.

Goalkeeper Mathew Ryan (Valencia) is also very impressive – brave, strong, decisive a ready made I would think for the EPL.

Perhaps two gems that would cost us very little!

Someone said earlier that he was the best midfielder in the league for the first half of the season. Really?? Take those blue tinted spex off fellas!! Better than Dele Alli?? Kante?? Wilian?? de Bruyne?? Drinkwater?? Erikson??

Even the much maligned RS Lallana and Milner had better seasons than Barkley who wasn't even the best midfielder for Everton let alone in the Premier League!!!

If this is the case, then I hope we don't get through the group stages and let a committee of Sky and BBC pundits select the next fucking squad and put the likes of Andy Dunn and some other journo creep manage the team.

I know Ross has been poor since Xmas but if he played for a Sky club he'd go no matter what.

For this, I blame Martinez, he sold most Evertonians a dream, that wasn't remotely attainable. Barkley, Mirallas, Lukaku and Stones. Other players as well. For me, as a supporter for 50 years, we need to get some sort of respectability back.

I don't give a flying fuck who the next manager is as long as he has a connection with the players and is GENUINE. Martinez was not genuine apart from the fact that he believed his own fantasies and had no idea of how to realise those dreams.

Rambling a bit but EFC have to get this right. Rhino, Simeone, Pellegrini, Emery and others... Idon't care as long as they have EFC's future as their as their main objective.

COYB

Yes mate, we do. Utterly and completely. The age of mend and make do has to end, forever.

No more "Andy the dodgy shandy", no Craptain Pip, no Per Kroldrup, no teaspoons to bun fights, no falling out of the loft, no tripping over a groundsmans sign in the goalmouth, no ending your centre halves career and relying upon a fascist to save the day, no half arsed dickhead taking a penalty, no more sitting on a one goal lead at wembley against an opponnent who was so devoid of hope that an alcoholic carthorse was worth a "last throw of the dice", no more playing our leading goalscoring number 9 on the wing, NO MORE !

He and other youngsters in our squad have to look in the mirror and listen to those they might trust (not including their grasping agents obviously) and then decide what they're willing to do for Everton......... for fuck-knows how much per week. But if it's one per cent less than some midfield nobody playing for the bottom six gives for his team they can fuck off right now.

The same goes for others in our squad. After Leicester nothing less than TOTAL commitment will wash, cue a manager with such aspirations.

On his wages Ross Barkley can easily afford a personal insurance that will mean that he never ever has to worry about a comfortable life regardless of how long he lives, so get your head down and PLAY!

......And like Tony in particular, that is what being a fan since 1962 has done to me!

Most talking arrogant absolute bollocks and yet we fall for it. All the Premier League clubs will have money this season; most of it will be sitting on the subs bench along with a couple of local lads who won't get a look-in.

I can't understand why Wilshere is in the mix – he can't be fit. However it seems that the final place trade off is between Sturridge and Rashford, and that really comes down to the fitness of Sturridge. Trouble is, even if fit, he doesn't stay fit, so that's a tricky one.

Anyway, hopefully training with England and not playing too much will help Ross find his manga again.