Koeman announcement likely delayed until next week

I've lost interest in this now. Koemans our new manager is old news. I want to see Architect impressions of the new dockside stadium. And who our GALACTICO signings are going to be this summer.....Messi.........Neymar

I'm all for taking the requisite amount of time to do things properly, but this is getting a tad worrying now?

I desperately hope my creeping cynicism proves ill-founded...

Let's hope we haven't been talking to someone in a Manchester flat.

A frustrating glimpse of the player he could be if he stayed focus and injury-free.

If it's all agreed in principle, then I'm happy for it to be made official the week before the first team get back for pre season.

We can't officially sign any players until July 1st anyway.

Can't say I'm impressed by this 'brave new world' – it seems very much like the old one!

... but it is a bit like waiting for that verbally confirmed big sales order to get signed off. The old brain cells create all sorts of negative scenarios.

Jesus I seem to be all taken over by the new wave of positivity surrounding our club, either that or its a pink tablets.

Also before the new stadium starts getting slagged off because it's not been built in time for the coming season on the waterfront there might be a little matter of if the owners of the land want to sell or even want a stadium there, time will tell.

How many of the rest of those popularly and justifiably expected to have their services dispensed with are we going to be similarly stupid with?

Gibson can ping it as far as he likes - but it's only any good if he does it for 30-plus games a season.

Unfathomably stupid decision. We continue to be a charity for unwanted (manager's) pets it seems.

If Osman gets another two years, I'll fully expect David Moyes to be unveiled in a shower of Finch Farm confetti and fireworks next week!

In football circles known as 'doing an Unsworth.'

Turn the laptops and tablets off for the weekend folks - kick back with a few cold ones and wake up to the dawn of a new era next week - nearly there, fret not.

or it could just be that the wheeling and dealing has been done and the big fish are taking a break while the minnows cross the i's and dot the t's.

Rome was not built in a day and hopefully that is the standard we are aiming for.

We have waited and suffered mediocrity for 16 years a little bit more patience and less paranoia would go a long way.

I work with your namesake who is also a blue. Maybe all Brian Murphys are blues.

If he's still on holiday they could still say its finalised, and there will be a press conference when he returns to the country.

Lets , for once , be bloody optimistic!

Agree 100%. Very decent squad player with good experience. Surprised he is not gong to France with MON and the boys.

New goalkeeping coach required?

Big Nev?

Matthew:

"Even now I still want De Boer. We have just had our worst season in living memory and Southampton failed to beat a piss poor Blues team twice. Doesn't bode well like!"

So 11th is better than 6th? I'm confused.

Could you explain why you want FdB (even though Koeman will be our manager)? You seem panicked.

Talk about paranoia!!

The Manny Fernandes of managers!!

The man's on his jollies after grafting all year, granted it would've been better if it was all signed done and dusted before he left but there was obviously a lot of other things to sort out and there's few job's in football that the Holland and Barca legend Koeman would postpone his all inclusive in the Caribbean for!

No one is stealing him off us it's the Moshiri era now where we are paying top dollar fot the top guy's just sit back and watch the revolution unfold!

Talk about paranoia!!

The Manny Fernandes of managers!!

The man's on his jollies after grafting all year, granted it would've been better if it was all signed done and dusted before he left but there was obviously a lot of other things to sort out and there's few job's in football that the Holland and Barca legend Koeman would postpone his all inclusive in the Caribbean for!

No one is stealing him off us it's the Moshiri era now where we are paying top dollar fot the top guy's just sit back and watch the revolution unfold!

Wait till he gets back, announce it and show him off, simples.

After all, Gibbo signed up for two years more treatment !
That's a good sign by any standards.

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We have a set of directors who seem incapable of doing anything to a conclusion ....this could all end up very badly...nothing is certain at Everton these days.

I will not be surprised if we finish no higher than 7th in Koemans 1st season with FDB leading Southampton to 4th and then we will look like real plonkers.

EuroChamps are on folks, take it easy! I'm on the east coast of the States have ESPN and the delight that is Roberto Martinez as an expert summeriser.....

Ferrrnominaalll Lads!

As far as the speed at which he moves is concerned - he sacked the manager at the first opportunity presented to him. He doesn't come across as a ditherer to me.

The winds of change are coming - we are just feeling the breeze at the moment.

I am expecting Farhad Moshiri to rebuild this club from the top down.

He has his money man in place on the board.
It seems he has "got is man in Koeman"
There is a strong suggestion that he will appoint a director of football.
The Lord Mayor of Liverpool reckons we will have a new stadium within 3 years.
He is a billionaire.

Doesn't sound very much like the "old one" (Everton world) to me.

"Yes, Ronald, you can have £7 million. No problem. But YOU must return this, that and the other within x years. Or you DON'T get the agreed amount. You'll get the sack without severance."

Or something like that. We've all been impressed by Mr Moshiri's approach of walking softly with a big stick, but I'm sure he's a demon in the boardroom.

Everton is not a trainset to Moshiri, he's here to make big money. Although it appears he's throwing cash at Koeman just to secure him, I'm quite sure there'll be some small print in Koeman's contract that will ensure he gives the job his total focus and he'll be results driven to keep his job.

I've always found that 'shit rolls downhill'; if my big boss is an angry shouty rude arsehole, it tends to flow right through the company, be it a massive corporation or my kid's school. If the Boss is calm and thoughtful, firm but fair, it also streams down through the hierarchy.

Hopefully Moshiri's attitude will inject a similar sense of calm, concentration and ruthlessness into Ronald and it'll flow to the squad.

Martinez's head is still throbbing from the blow of Moshiri's stick. Ronald doesn't want his noggin imprinted on it anytime soon. Hence the negotiations.

COYB

A positive would be that we get more coverage unless he is going to be writing in the gardening section.

I suspect most of us would find that a very scary arrangement.

As others have said, gossip and nonsense are bound to fill the vacuum and it makes the club look strangely out of control.

I bow to nobody in my mistrust of the tedious coward but that might just might be a decent idea. Chief scout / head of infrastructure etc would suit him. Problem is the minute the current gaffer left he'd be back in the managerial hot seat like a rat going down to something very quickly.

I really hope to live out my days never seeing him in charge ever again but the nagging fear won't go away. It's sad and what Everton has done to me / us over the years. It's our way.

Anyway let's get Ron signed and worry about any DoF after that!

Please Everton, comfirm Koeman soon!

Whilst I fully expect Koeman to be unveiled as the new gaffer on his return from holiday so the usual photo shoot and media interviews can be completed, is it rude of me to point out that, other than Moshiri's statements at the time of the cup quarter final at home to Chelsea, we have heard absolutely nothing ... zilch ... nada ... niks ... rien ... nichts ... niente ... from our new majority shareholder?

That silence extends to the club itself.

Since Moshiri's arrival the only two things officially transmitted by the club to we, the great unwashed, is first - hours after the news first broke - that Martinez had been sacked.

Secondly, just yesterday that (astonishingly) Darron Gibson has been given a new two year contract.

Everything else in recent weeks - the managerial targets, who has/has not been interviewed, the prospect of a new stadium, the wage structure, the transfer budget, likely transfer targets, likely departures, the capture of Koeman - all, ALL have come not from Moshiri, not from anyone officially representing the club, but from third parties outside the club.

I am one of those hopeful that Moshiri will indeed be the game changer we have long sort.

But, I repeat, there is still nothing ... zilch ... nada ... niks ... rien ... nichts ... niente ... from the man or indeed the club itself that this will be the case.

Until there is concrete proof to the contrary, all else remains what it is - unfounded speculation.

The Club is quick to talk about its off-field activities but has a reluctance to address matters affecting the team. I m not suggesting a constant stream of information but a measured flow of communication with the supporters would surely not go amiss.

As talks rumble on between Farhad Moshiri's team and Saints officials over Koeman there have been reports of a supposed 'no poaching' clause to prevent the manager trying to take players with him but it seems unlikely that Everton would agree to any sort of official arrangement.

Move for Pelle?

There is only one interested party when things like renewed contracts or ground makeovers are announced, but there are numerous things to take into account when you are talking about the appointment of a manager who you are taking from another club.

'FUCK THE FANS' !

Maybe it's a Monday morning press conference live on Sky Sports - with Koeman signing the actual contract there and then for the cameras?

Rather than Everton faxing him the contract and then waving it in the air shouting 'look look he's actually signed!' When he faxes back.

Deep breath, patience......

Like a few on here, I guess, I've gone past caring whether Koeman here comes or not. He hasn't exactly shown much keenness for the job - rather the money that goes with it.

I don't expect Moshiri will be so dilatory over announcing how much bread he'll be putting in to our promised new home if it ever becomes more than a pipedream !

Oh, and they managed to brag how they'd re-signed the sicknote Gibson, didn't they ?

Yes, true, and I've had recent jobs secured like that, it's no problem. However, this will presumably be a big announcement for Everton (assuming Koeman is indeed our new manager), so I wouldn't really expect a big thing like this to be handled like a 'normal' job.

Also, do we really know the degree of keenness Koeman has for the job? He hasn't committed much either way, with respect to either Southampton or Everton, which to me would seem wise when you might be negotiating a new job. And to be honest, all that matters at the end of the day is how well the job is done, rather than how keen the manager is to have it. Martinez was very keen to keep hold of the job.

I think something needs ironing out or there's going to be a surprise announcement to go with Big Ron's arrival.

Let's not pretend that players and managers, regardless of status, are not enticed with ridiculous amount of cash. So what? Does that mean they won't give a damp while they do the job? Get real Phil. All footballers and managers are.mercenary to an extent these days. Doesn't mean they won't do the job their paid to do

I'd also take Phil more seriously if he didn't come across as someone who continually pours scorn on everything the club try to do. Neither the club nor Soton have uttered a word about this deal yet we have the same old suspects trotting out the anti Kenwright rhetoric and in Phils case , anti Moshiri rhetoric based on what the media have reported.

Tell me is there anything you like about Everton at the moment, I like you was opposed to signing the charlatan as I used to call him. But that led to me being put on the naughty chair by Michael.

We have a billionaire owner who for me has apart from Simeone got the best manager we could possibly hope for. Oh sorry until you see Koeman sign you don't believe it. Moshiri will according to Joe Anderson have us playing in a new stadium within 3 years.

Go back 12 months a joke of a manager in charge and a chairman who could only consider a new stadium if Tesco or some other company stomped up the money.

He's all but in charge legally I should think. Who else is giving players new contracts and letting others go?

Luckily I'm off fishing tomorrow so don't have to put up with another day of this wait and see bullshit.

I can see him getting us back to where Moyes had us but hopefully with better football. You never know that between holidays he might even build a platform for Europe.

I'm not in the slightest excited by this drawn out appointment or Moshiri's total ignorance of public relations in dealing with it. However, it clearly remains to be seen whether Everton can be returned to the greatness so many of the club's loyal supporters deserve and I shall be looking out for the results from my far away idyl.

Have a good summer, all of you!

Correct, Moshiri is the antithesis of Kenwright – no bullshit, high achiever.

If someone had stumped up the money for a new stadium, Kenwright would still have got it wrong. He even ballsed up the shop on the car park, for god's sake. A complete fraud who consistently put himself before EFC.

What exactly should the club have said which they haven't?

Football is full of were gonna do this, and we're gonna do that types, you only had to listen to our squad last season. Lukaku, missed a hatful, in a semi final, at Wembley, but couldn't wait to tell the world how he couldn't stop staring at The League Trophy?

If Koeman, was the manager Moshiri, wanted, the fact that he's went and got him speaks absolute volumes to me.

Enjoy your fishing in your small town Mike. The rest of us are moving on into the new world under Moshiri. Money, power, ambition, all the things we as a club have lacked for decades.

And yes I gave you the attention you no doubt crave.

Just seems to me that Koeman appears to be calling the shots with the board? And I just do the rate him high enough to be doing that. Just feel that we have less time with the euros to get the squad we need together and familiarise themselves with each other and new tactics.

An Iranian billionaire be dictated to, I somehow doubt it. Just adults acting in an adult way. If I was in Moshiri's shoes I'd be insisting he took a holiday with his family, maybe Mosh has.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/koemans-Everton-arrival-confirms-blues-11455007

Gentle heads up for ToffeeWeb.... !

I think Gibbo is sellable and clearly so does the club. I really think it's perfectly reasonable to think there's another club out there that will offer a couple of mil or so for him over the next year. Nothing to do with Koeman as he's not our manager yet, just the club protecting its assets.

PS I take it there is no Live Forum on the England game. I'm in the Sports Bar in Pafos surrounded by Smelly Russian sailors. Don't they have showers in submarines ?

How do you know nobody wanted him?

Just because a deal didn't go through doesn't mean nobody wanted him.

Says it all, I guess !

KOOSHITE GOVNO EE OOMEITEE !

So there !

I think Hibbo, Ossie, and Pienaar being let go is inextricably linked to Gibbo not being let go as it naturally leads to the question what's the difference between these 3 and Gibbo? In a word (which I'm probably making up) saleability. Gibbo is only 28 and there's very likely one club out there that will take a punt on him over the next 12 months. If there is just that one club that makes an offer for him our club will make money. This is no doubt Moshiri's rationale behind the decision to give him a contract.

In every tournament England's problem is turning influence into goals, and Baines would have more assists to his name than most of the players in white.

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Actually starting to look like he doesn't even want the job and that Saints have called his bluff on attempts at a big pay rise.

Having recently called for patience mine just ran out. What is going on? Is this as cut and dried as the media have been making out?

I was hoping this would have been settled by the start of the Euro's. Maybe we've seen a better opportunity? Are we waiting for a DoF? Too many question marks for my liking!

I'm like a dog without a bone here! C'mon Everton get this sorted.

I'm pretty sure it's a done deal.....(he says nervously).

He has surely burned his bridges at Southampton now but he certainly seems in no hurry to tie up what should be a dream job and that causes concern.

No word from the club which is consistent with everything since Moshri came in but the fans deserve some sort of comment even if it is to say we are in advanced negotiations with someone which we hope to resolve early this week. If we are not careful this will become a real damp squib rather than an appointment which heralds a new era.

Other managers are getting fixed up and this has echoes of 1997(?) when we were promised a world class manager and ended up with a washed-up version of the formerly great HK.

Need to sort this quickly - what price Unsy now then?

Silk purses out of sows ears comes to mind...just look at our first team squad !!

It's impossible to rush to judgement about the club or the potential manager's agenda at this point in time, given the paucity of information available - I still feel it will be Ronald and company, but only because of what the media has been writing and the bookmakers stance on the situation, however, I wouldn't be at all surprised if somebody else was installed as the new Everton manager. Whatever happens I hope the Everton hierarchy get the right person in the end, as this is probably our biggest managerial appointment in possibly half-a-century.

Moshiri may have lots of money but he's sure got lots to learn about negotiating in the football mire. No wonder he wants to appoint a Sporting Director !

Another fine mess you've got us into, Kenwright !

I merely work on the basis that if anything can go wrong with whatever Everton do, it will.

Check the records.

It's only the media that have Koeman as THE MAN, neither club has said a word to even hint at an approach let alone any negotiation.

Might just explain how long this is taking. Or not! Scroll down to the post from Jack Schitt (I know).

Http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8

1) BK's masterminded a devilish plan ie He issues a statement along the lines of,

"Everton football club, after long and protracted negotiations, are sad to announce that we have been unable to conclude a deal with Ronald Koeman. We wish Ronald all the best in the future.

"However, we are overjoyed to announce the appointment of David Moyes as our new manager. David knows, and loves, this club and I'm sure everyone at the club is excited as I am that David is returning to lead us into a bright future"

Or,

2) "Everton FC are happy to announce the appointment of Ronald Koeman as our new manager. Ronald has agreed a three year deal and will soon be joined by Monchi, formerly of Seville FC."
A beaming Bill Kenwright later added, "The first time I saw Ronald Koeman play for the Netherlands I thought to myself, when I'm chairman of Everton he will be one of my managers".
A bemused Ronald Koeman declined to make a comment on Chairman Bill's confusing babbling.

3) We do nothing and hope everyone is watching the euros. Roberto is réappointed manager but it is never officially announced. Roberto has to enter FF incognito so the kit man does all the pressers, and does a bloody good job of it too. So good, he is will be considered for the vacant English job.

So I just sign in once a day to see if it has happened. As a supporter from 1952 I have seen to many disappointments at Everton to believe in paper talk.

Colin 202.
Is anyone actually on record from the club saying "koeman is our main target". It could all be media created while the mosh diligently goes about the real business.

I'd actually be more impressed if we announce someone else and that RK was never in the running. If mosh and co could keep our true target away from media spotlight, I'd see it as a truly professional master stroke.

It was the most likely and professional scenario since the rumours broke a fortnight ago.

Getting a little confused by the situation now. Something isn't as straight forward as I first thought.

Surely Southampton would even say "yes we have given permission" or "no approach has been made"

Now that Emery is leaving Seville, could Everton change course and bring Emery in as the new manager? Either way, I would be happy so long as we start bringing in class signings.

Interesting though the longer this drags on it might actually have some truth to it. Into Tuesday we go! Then Wednesday........

Everton are probably just ironing out any creases and they'll announce Monchi at the same time (here's to dreaming!!)

I would think this guy is in fantasy land....

There is absolutely no way that Moshri would agree to any contract that says Koeman can not go back to buy a player from Southampton.

Why do they care so much if he leaves if all that's true? I'd have thought they were quite keen to offload him.

If it is true, or close, then the behind the scenes 'due diligence' we were doing on Pellegrini should be repeated on Koeman and this would turn up.

Very interesting, and highly off-putting. I'm prepared to be extremely patient as long as we get the right man.

If any of that is true then we'd be making a real fk up getting RK with all the decent talent in the academy about to come through. Players hating a manager is never great and all players talk so I'm pretty sure our team will know a lot more about RK than any of us.

Think I'm going to switch off this 'will he won't he' thing and just enjoy the euros until the club make an announcement.

The worry, though, is that this eats into the time available to sort out the plans for next season.

What a load of bollocks.

Because what we could do then is wait until someone else puts a bid in for one of their players and say "We'll increase that by five mill...oh wait, we can't coz of the agreement"

(then flick them the fingers like Rik Mayall's Rick from The Young Ones)

You couldn't make it up but then, this is Everton - you don't need to !

Whether it is all true, true in part or untrue (personally it seems that there are some true, some probably not) will come out in the passage of time. Dressing rooms are very leaky when a manager departs.

I find there is disconnect between the apparent keenness to retain the contented fitness coach and the readiness to blame Koeman for the short, low intensity training. That seems a bit fucking odd to me.

Then the notion that Koeman is actively blocking the progress of academy players and never ever watches them. OK so turning up occasionally would be encouraging to the youth players and acknowledges the importance of the academy staffs work. But as with the fitness coach, it is work delegated to others. Perhaps he doesn't give the fucking lawnmowers a lick of paint either ? (Acknowledgement here to CG's ribtickler).

My view of many such "horses mouth", info is that the people who provide this are often people with some junior position entirely unconnected with the true seat of power. Not exactly fantasists but those who spin a great deal of yarn from very little wool.

People who actually hear the real dialogue are hired because their track record proves that they are utterly watertight. They were handed tasty rumours, and those rumours never, ever surfaced.........
Those who leaked ?
Not promoted.

There is an enormous market for accurate information, but the more accurate it is, the more apparent the source.
A billionaire such as Farhad Moshiri doesn't leave a file marked "Top Secret" on his desk when he knows that blabbermouth, noseyarse Gladys the cleaner is vacuuming the office...... Unless he wants the silly old bat to spread a load of codswallop.

Still interesting reading though.

Yes, I agree with you, it does seem strange that if Koeman is Moshiri's preferred choice of manager that he hasn't got him over the line yet - holidays or no holidays !

In the modern world, where everyone, especially the media, expect to know the ins and outs of a cats areshole - even if it's not even their cat - I find it quite reassuring to find someone knows how to turn the oxygen of publicity off if they want to.

We might find it annoying but nowhere near as much as the media. 'EFC - minding its own business.'

I am hoping however that there is a back up manager option (not Moyes) though, if Koeman doesn't arrive.

I don't really understand the situation. Based on reports through last week, we have everything agreed upon, so it's just a formality, isn't it? Whether it's Koeman (or unlikely Emery), both are good candidates. We just need to announce it and move on. The way this got dragged out is certainly doing nobody any favors. I don't see Southampton benefitting from delaying Koeman's departure if it was agreed upon.

Phil 236, it's for all the hopers out there. Emery's linked to PSG but it would be a mistake IMO. None of our business if he's not the one announced of course.

No? Thought not.

Why bother?

Your endless repetitive negative comments continually spoil every thread that appears.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Everton-working-through-paperwork-ronald-11468444

Why, why, why is the club so slow at GETTING THINGS DONE...??!!

COYB

Thank you Mr. Moshiri for a bold appointment which hopefully will reap rich rewards for the club.

Thanks to BK for finding Mr. Mosh.

To use adjectives favoured by our former manager, this promises to be a phenomenally incredible summer.