Déjà vu for Lukaku in Belgium defeat

I would be more than happy to see the back of him and his father, lets hope some one wants him.......we need to be rid of him soon.

Italy looked pretty tasty, though.

Made up as he has been behaving like a tit for months and he is nowhere near as big time as he thinks he is.

But I've also totally had enough of him and was hoping someone was daft enough to shell 㿨 million so he could fuck off pronto.

He's just shaved 㾶 million off his fee.

Wake up. He's just not very good. Whatever we can get for him just get it and spend on a player who is worthy of our shirt.

At the top level he will never cut it and we might have to watch him for some time if he continues to perform as he is doing.

They couldn't possibly have known about his weaknesses before tonight! Could they? How could they possibly have known about those weaknesses?

He was awful, and his replacement didn't do much better.

IF we get that for him it will be good business by us. Christ, try comparing him to Suarez for example. There is no point of comparison.

Keep him. Chiellini (& Buffon behind him) is a reality check for any striker. That's the elite level Rom has longed for.

When a supposed yard dog like pelle receives groans of dissapointed when we are linked with him for £8m whilst we have a supposed world class player who can't trap a ball being worth £50m then that tells you all you need to know.

Some people buy the hype, some see the tripe. I've never seen anything more than a Emily Heskey type player with a good left foot shot.

Please please please get £40m for him... I will laugh my head off.

I think you've totally missed my point. I haven't revealed at all my judgement of the player. I'm smiling at the idea that people think we could get megabucks for a player that they think is crap. So you think he's worth 㿔 million! Hilarious! I'm having a pop at our very own TW people who think we'll get that much for him!

Both EFC and Lukaku are at least a couple of years away from being ready for the Champions League, but both have the potential to make it.

Sadly, he probably won't allow his head to emerge from his own arse long enough to realise this.

Let's not kid ourselves, he is a young lad with huge potential and an undoubted ability to score 20 plus goals a season for the next decade. So he's not exactly "useless".

Koeman could be just the sort of manager to put a bit of fire back in his belly, and I would quite like to give him another season to see what could be achieved. Of course after he has sincerely apologised for disrespecting our club, and massively reduced his ego back in line with his current ability level.

I agree, he didn't play well tonight but the whole team was bad: Kevin de Bruryne stunk the place out. I doubt Man City are gonna sell him for that reason – or that his value has plumbed.

And before anyone says it, only 3 were penalties (he missed the rest!).

So yes, he'll never make a bank robber because he can't hold anything up, yes he points more than your average bobby, but even with our lousy team he scored 40 goals from open play in the last 3 years, and in the last 2 years that is 1 in 3 of our goals.

So maybe when playing with the big boys he will get found out (Internationals, Champions League) but in bread and butter week in week out football he will score goals. The classic flat track bully. So the question is - will the big teams pay mega bucks for his domestic performances.

And he has got 10 more years ahead of him so £50m is not a bad steal.

We are just annoyed about his mouthing off

Value aside, he's detrimental to the squad ethos and spirit. Ciao Rom.

"Fan boys"? – is that debate in your view?

Lukaku scored a lot of goals for us under a truly shit coach and a system that did not suit. Why would any Evertonian gloat when one of our players has a poor game for his country?

Belgium, although they have a number of good players, aren't a 'team' and won't (again) do well. They didn't play with much width and kept trying to go through the middle (even though it didn't work), reminded me of a Martinez Everton.

Italy looked great, them or Germany to win it.

Only fleeting, but I sensed a lot more between them than the usual meaningless acknowledgement as players rush to the end of the line...

My point is that it's laughable that we have people on here who have been saying he's crap and let's sell him for 㿞 million! They can't see how stupid that sounds — that "we" can see he's crap but others can't and would part with 㿞 million! Ludicrous."

The statement you made regarding Lukaku's worth, well replace 'Lukaku' for one of the worst defenders I have ever seen play for Brazil or anyone else — David Luis; he went from Chelsea to PSG for 㿞 million, so there are clubs that will pay, as you call it, 'ludicrous' amounts of money for players.

Lukaku is a highly paid mercenary who has found the air very thin at the higher altitude, that was clear even at the base camp of Wembley in the semi.

Buffon & Chiellini are Sherpas up there in the higher hills to the summit of football and hopefully he'll come back down from the mountain happy to be paid well, get in his national team again after that horror show and be alive.

The system did not suit? Is that the system where a forward actually has to make intelligent runs and control a ball from time to time. Unfortunately I don't know what system allows him to get away with having good an awful touch. Forgive me for pointing out the obvious he has played 2 big games in the last 2 months and looked every inch a league one player.

You just keep defending him whilst he looks for supposedly better things...

He played poorly, but one bad game does not a shit player make......Ronaldo was pants in the Champions League Final after all.

Young player, playing for a talented but poorly set up, poorly drilled outfit. The true criticism must go to Wilmots.

Less bile, it makes pathetic reading.

I'm honestly trying to remember one good game he's had this year aside from the Chelsea game.

Sadly I do not think we will be able to perform the highway robbery that the press had us believe and get £50m plus for this player. Tonight he was like Emile Heskey, some weeks he's like lazy Adebuyor and once every 6 or 7 games he looks a player.

Pelle gave him a lesson in how to lead the line even when things aren't going your way. At £8m that lad will be an absolute steal.

If the Ireland or Wales squads had the quality of the Hazards, De Bruyne's etc they'd be World Champions, but instead (apart from Bale) they have lesser talented players, prepared to work as a team and sweat blood for the cause.

I don't know if Rom will still be with us next season but I recall he was more effective when Kone was with him, doing most of the hard work. Maybe that's what he needs; and if Koeman will see that and buy him a productive strike partner?

As blues we have seen him terrorise defences at his brilliant best, and we have seen him play like he did tonight.

He should learn to keep his gob shut and see how he performs in the competition before deciding to move away from a club on the up.

He starts every week, he's the focal point of the attack and he's a top earner.

He's been niave in his interviews of late, he could easily get a move, but he may be better staying another season with us to guarantee safe passage to a top top club, rather than burning his bridges with us and being shipped out to a champions league club who have no chance of winning that competition.

Rom was poor, but Hazard was worse and De Brunne was poor too. Kane was the same for England the other day along with Ali. One game doesn't make a player useless.

For those who missed it:

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"There you go. I'm ready to take over the game"

Romelu Lukaku. Nike. 2016

Very, very fine lines.

Personally I want him to perform well. Either we get a form player back or more pounds in the bank.

Daddy Lukaku said he would be gone before the Euros so evidently he's not as informed as he thinks he is.

But his goal to game ratio proves he is good player with development needed in his game. And last time I looked he is still an Everton player.

Second half I counted two moments of poor control and 1 gilt edged chance he missed.

However I guess that is the core of the argument. Top strikers finish off opportunities they are presented and as with the Semi, Rom fell short.

I thought Belgium were woeful until the last 15 mins. De Bruyne stunk the place out, and only Hazard tried to link up with Rom but the Italians defended manfully.

When Origi came on, Belgium had Mertens and Carrasco on too and by then were actively supllying the CF. Origi then missed two horrendous sitters - arguably easier chances than Lukaku's.

Stones has already gone to City in a 35mil deal cheap if you ask me. I was expecting 40+.

There are better strikers out there and lots of them.

After he was taken off they starting playing the crosses into the box he might have had more chance of getting onto the end of, and Origi was no better, he had about three clean cut chances with his head and completely fluffed them all. I fancy Lukaku would have got one of those, but not one cross came in to him all the time he was on.

Not that I'm sticking up for a lousy performance, but I just noticed that the service he might have taken advantage of started to come after he was pulled!

I watched a rejuvenated Shane Long running his socks off against Sweden. chasing, tackling.

Lukaku has no first touch, he couldn't trap a bag of spuds! he is starting to become a real pain in the ass and a negative element for our club. Drop the 'dead donkey'!

It's OK... just quote his goal ratios which he gets against poor teams. Where he does no work but just pops a goal in when deulofeu zips one in and he bothers to get on the end of it.

Apparently he only had a couple of misplaced balls? 7 balls given away due to bad control at international level.... yet still some of you are acting like love sick teenagers. Please get a grip, there's plenty more fish in the sea - I mean just imagine if that was kone or niasse.... no you just can't. It's Romelu Lukaku - a legend who can't trap a bag of cement.

Looks to me that a lot of people have understandably become upset and hurt by Lukaku's spoutings in the media but as a consequence projected their upset into slagging off his playing ability as part of a cathartic experience to try and make themselves feel better.

The guy certainly isn't 'shit'. Sure he's not as good as he or more likely, his family thinks he is, but the market will speak as to his value in the summer no doubt. Some perspective might be called fall (yea right), or does our judgement go out of the window when a player has the audacity to want to leave?

He played like a man against Liverpool, at Goodison last season, when he used his strength to great effect, but it's not something he does nowhere nearly often enough.

His first touch is poor, because he continues to keep coming towards the ball, and condenses the space in front of him. Why he hasn't been coached to keep backing in to defenders, to give himself more space when receiving the ball, is also open to question?

I think he will stay at Everton, because I would be very surprised, if anyone will be willing to pay anything remotely near what we want for him. If he does I will get behind him, but only if his work rate vastly improves.

Why is Origi being mentioned? That is desperate! He did more in 5 minutes than Rom did in 60. Should have scored but he caused the Italians more headache than the lethargic one.

Lukaku was booed off the pitch. Oh how his ego must be this morning... probably thinks "maybe not bayern, I'll settle for AC Milan..."

I think some of you lot need to vet your hero's a bit better. Please just get him sold before he's worth a fraction of his inflated price.

Leaving us with Niasse and Kone to blast us to glory…

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Not yet as good as he thinks he is - but he could be - If he wants it enough. He's young and has the potential to improve, which is what will keep the hype and the price up...for now.

Whether he will is the big question. He has an ever decreasing window to come good.

He seems to think it won't be with us. I think it won't be with anybody.

#close but no cigar.

The other Andy.... he's never scored 20 prem goals. He has averaged 14 prem goals in his 3 seasons. 15, 10 and 18.... it's really not that stand out.

- 1 shot on target

- 0 won headers

- 0 key passes

- 0 dribbles

- 0 tackles

- 3 unsuccessful touches

- 5.82 rating (the worst of any 28 players to take the field)

Should've listened to your dad and not play against a decent defence, Rom.

Totally off topic now. I just been reading about the 1927-28 season. We all know that that was Dixie Dean's 60 goal season. We won the league scoring 102 goals in 42 games. Do you know, or can you guess how many we conceded?...20? 25? 30? Oh no, how about 66! That's 168 goals in our 42 games, exactly 4 goals per game! Altogether now: "Boring boring Everton!"

Considering the amount of goals he has scored for us this past season I have never felt as little warmth for an Everton centre forward who plays week in week out.

Apart from the fact he crumbles when it matters (Wembley, World Cup, last night) a fresh era is needed at Goodison and he needs to go.

If he was 5ft-10in and 11 stone he would be playing League Two at best. For some reason, the big lumbering sod is treated like the overgrown kid at school who, despite being pretty average, gets picked ahead of small but talented players. This is why he is who he is now.

He can't bully defenders anymore, they are grown men – not pre pubescent 14-year-olds trying to contain a 6-ft man-child whose balls dropped when he was 10. He's never had to jump and that's why he's useless in the air, he's never had to summon all his strength and that's why he can't use his size.

That's been the problem though Ernie, he can't put a shot on target, more shots on target mean more chances to score

This is why the 'conversion percentage' is needed. The average is 15% I think Vardy made 17% last season but Martinez kept saying that for Lukaku it is not about his conversion ratio but about the number of goals he creates. What is Lukaku's actual conversion ratio? I bet it is nearer to 10% when you consider the number of missed headers and very poor first touches.

I was glad to see him struggle because I want him to still be at our club next season, and the one after that. Playing badly means there is a bigger chance the Champions League clubs won't want to splash out the sort of cash we are demanding for him and that suits me fine!

He and his father have spoken a lot of tripe (although I do understand his wish to play at a higher level – what player doesn't?) but the lad has been our most prolific striker in almost 20 years and as long as he is scoring goals for us I am an happy Evertonian.

Lots of posters on here obviously hate him and don't rate him. That's fine, we are all allowed opinions. What I would ask those posters though is who can we get who is going to be better? I'm not saying there isn't strikers out there, but are there any who we can get who would be willing to join us?

What's to say Koeman can't improve him and his goal scoring form? I would like to see him stop and get some better quality back up (Kone and Niasse don't look up to the task) along with some more creative midfielders but concentrate more on a GK and the defence which was our real problem of last season.

I would suggest Pelle, backed up by Shane Long and that lad Hamsick who was excellent vs Wales, that would do for me.

My take on Lukaku is that he'll always score plenty of goals and we'll get more than we paid for him if we sell.

I think that he, like Stones and Barkley, will have few excuses under Koeman and will hopefully shape up, be fitter and more consistent. How long can footballers be 'promising'?

If he wants to go, let him go at the right price. If he stays, I think we'll see a better player next season, because if we don't, he's got even less chance of his 'rightful' move.

Those stats are flawed, mate. Lukaku definitely won one header – my son commented that he never saw him do that for Everton. It was a decent header on from a high ball but his teammate didn't show for it.

And, he did put a tackle in, from behind after chasing back, and gave away the foul. He also petulantly chased Chielini back and fouled him.

But he was shite last night, I agree.

He should shut up get his head down and get on with it here.

But that will not happen because he is not as good as he thinks he is.

"Psssst – just let him have the ball.'