'New project' could see Lukaku stay at Everton

We're rich!!.....RICH I TELLS YE !!!!!

Let's hope he stops shouting his mouth off during the rest of the Euros, intimating how much better than us he is...

The only reason he would/will stay is due to the higher ambitions we now have as a club which is credit to Moshiri.

He has an employment contract, where Everton pay him, in return for his best endeavours as a professional footballer. Next to that, all the talk from him, his dad and his agent is mere hot air.

Only joking – he is class. Score us loads of goals, lad!!!

They are taking notice of us for the first time in decades, really. We are now seen as a club that is committed to winning, not just existing. Not just a stepping stone.

I really don't know why it's so hard to believe that there are a lot of players that really do want to compete to win trophies. That's really what Lukaku has said all along. It's what Rooney wanted. It's what Arteta wanted. And that's what his agent just said, he wants to win trophies.

The thing that honestly should have people jumping up and down is that this agent, who represents some of the biggest players in the world, is talking that way about Everton. He's saying the club has changed, that there is a new project. If that project is really about moving Everton up to compete at the highest level, then players will want to not only come here, but stay here.

If he stays, then let him earn any rises in the future; I couldn't care less either way, those who want him to stay are welcome to him.

After that Mourinho appeared to have made his mind up and he was loaned to us. The rest is history.

"I can't find a team who wants him as they all watched the end of last season and the first game of the Euros. I see that Everton has lots of money now, so I'll get more money from them for a new contract, then start flogging him around Europe again this time next year."

It's a win-win for the agent.

Moshiri is worth a billion or so? He's going to spend £100m on players and £400 m on stadium? I doubt all that will be from his own money but, as an accountant, he may have a good businesses plan, I hope.

We are not at the level of Man City or Chelsea.... probably more like Liverpool or Spurs. A big improvement and reason to be jolly. Perhaps the days of OTT investment are over. Still, happy fun days ahead...

It appears his Dad and agent have realised that Mr Moshiri may have deep pockets. Wanting Champions League football is shorthand for wanting a pay rise. He is playing in the Euros with his country and is not 'trying a leg' as Johnny Giles put it at half-time in the Ireland game. Granted, he showed a few minutes later he can put them away, when set up on his left foot, with no great control necessary.

Question marks remain over his motivation for his country and for Everton in several games. The home game v Liverpool and his debut v West Ham and other selected (but diminishing in number) games show us his potential when motivation is high.

He has been consistently and completely outplayed by the likes of Olsson and Cathcart and many other tough centre-halves. Maybe we can find another player who contributes more to the general team effort. I imagine that all this waffle about needing and being ready for Champions League football doesn't do anything for team morale. I hope RK can engender some of that Leicester musketeer spirit in the squad.

All this talk of him wanting to win trophies and play Champions League is complete bullshit – it's all about the money, always is.

I do think his touch improved last season from the season before and I cant remember the last time Everton had a young striker scoring 20+ goals.

I want to keep him and play another striker with him or 2 attack minded wide players so he has proper support as he was regulalry isolated last season.

Out of interest who would you replace him with if he left as you said we could have better than him?

Hopefully RK will change our set up to play to his strengths. He is never going to be a traditional strong-in-the-air target-man number nine.

I actually believe it's a combination. We are no longer laughingstocks or push overs. I'm liking this off the field ruthlessness, let's hope the players can reward our new owner with a similar mentality on the pitch.

Our Russian "don't mess with me" looking director has probably had a word in Raiola's ear..

"We will tell you what happens with Lukaku - we are the people who has control - so get it or else"

I personally feel he has burned his bridges with a lot of Evertonians and team mates too so it will send out all the wrong signals to the rest of the squad if he is given increased terms.

We could all write a spec which would include good finisher, first touch, running channels, hold up play, aerial prowess, cuteness, vision and most importantly hard working, good attitude, respectful to club and team mates contributing to good 'team first' ethic. I think Lukaku just ticks the first box, probably most important in fairness, but needs the others before he can be regarded as World Class. A taller Tim Cahill perhaps ?

This is new Everton !

When delboy played well, Lukaku scored goals. We need more creative players behind him and midfielders prepared to run beyond him.

In other words we need better players so he can score and his deficiencies are not as obviously displayed..

You're not paying that salary, the TV deal is. And whether it's Lukaku or another player, the salary is what it is to get players at that level if you want to compete. If you want to stay as a mid-level club and rant about how much player A or player B makes, and in other cases talk about "pay as you play" deals (which is just an incentive laden contract people), then it sounds like Everton might not be the club for you anymore. The new owner has bigger plans, and seems intent on spending the money that those plans require.

nobody came for him and he and his agent are now desperately trying to save face.

Neither disappointed or surprised by this news. A humble hungry Lukaku will be a lot more of a force than the sulky fucker we saw at the tale end of last season

However, everything he has said, whether it being " true" in some people's opinions, doesn't hide the fact it's totally disrespectful to the club that pays his wages and to the fans that pay good money to see the blues play home and away.

Himself, his agent and father have now realised its not just Kenwright at the helm, it's someone with a vision....a golden one at that!

And now "he" " could " stay hey???? Oh how marvellous!!!!!!!!!

Win win, if he goes we receive a huge fee like we did for Lescott, Rodwell and Fellaini....we all know how well they went on to being.....and if he stays "we" will make him the player he has the potential of becoming... because fuck me.... He isn't the world beater he thinks he is.. Not by a long shot!

Like I said, I'll cheer the goal and never the man.... unless he comes out and says:

"I'm a cunt and I apologise "

More please...

No hope of that happening Benji Mate, but as pointed out above, if he starts banging them in, no apology will be needed

He can score all the goals he wants, I'll celebrate every single one but never will I sing his name!

:)

Bung him a couple of million and tell him to get his client on board? Less risking than selling and replacing.

It looks like a new beginning, it feels like a new beginning, Lukaku wants to win trophies, but his he good enough to help Everton, win trophies?

Lukaku's combination of age, experience (especially 'top' league and Premier League), goal record and availability to Everton are completely unique. There is no-one else. If you want to disagree, you have to have a name or two, because 'someone else' simply doesn't exist.

What is up with that club? Arteta £10m, Suarez £40m plus a pound, this. Why do they continue to try and penny pinch?

Frankly effin well sick of Rom and son's constant prattlings in the media. Pros; natural goal scorer reminds me if Bob Latchford. Cons; appaling first touch, average running off the ball, and of course a Trump-like ego.

Will he stay or will he go? Does anyone seriously give a flying one

The list of strikers is here. You can add Gignac who banged in a fair few in the Mexican league if you want.

All the strikers who are better than Lukaku (and there aren't many on the planet) are not going to move to Everton at this stage of their career. Beyond that we have to take a risk on a player from a weaker league.

There's no need to bribe his agent or for him to relay any messages about getting on board. As long as he's contracted to us, he can kick up a fuss, sulk, put in a transfer request or – as far as I'm aware – anything else. He's an employee. Moshiri pays his wages. He toes whatever line Moshiri decides.

You know, I don't even think he needs to be told any of this. After Sash went to see his super agent, I find it very difficult to believe someone like Moshiri would send his right hand man to appeal to his agents finer qualities, do you? My guess is, Lukaku already understands very clearly his position.

Are we going to have the same performance next season. My dad wants a bigger club and my agent want's a payout? Lukaku could be the magic we need or the hindrance within the sqaud. If he stays we need a leader on the pitch to tell him to pull his weight.

The manager needs to sort this out as soon as lukaku finishes the Euro's. Sell him or keep him. Needs to be sorted out before pre-season training commences. Let the rest of the players know if you're heart is not in it. Place your transfer request in to the chairman.

I'm with you all the way dude but 'sell him or keep him?' He was going to be on his way to his chosen club before the Euros started. He didn't and how are we going to sell him if there are no offers? It might be, like him or not, we could get stuck with him.

Ian, what on Earth is Ronald going to say to convince our guys after being so disrespectful and arrogant, why he should still be in the same dressing room? Who knows what damage he's done behind the scenes?

I want Lukaku to stay. So the above news is good. Ronald will sort him out.

I'd love for us to go all out for Peresic, he's the one made for our problematic left wing role and is a real winner.

Then do whatever it takes to get Rooney, that would really piss the media off and force them to take us seriously.

I am with you totally on Stones.In my view he will be the best centre back we have ever had. However, I believe that your judgement of Lukaku is clouded by his silly utterances and I would ask that you judge him as if he was as well advised as John Stones. Both play in a role where improvement comes with age. Both will be great.

Most games we would have won without Lukaku's goals; West Brom is one of the very few games that a goal by Lukaku won the match without others scoring in the same games.

Lets get rid of him and get a real center forward in for the new season.

He wants to make shedloads of money, don't we all... But, if he's scoring and the club are willing to pay, give him another chance.

That said, maybe his agent can send a few players our way. Paul Pogba anyone? Not Mario Balotelli though!

As well advised as Stones? So he should be putting in a transfer request then? That will make him popular with the masses.

I certainly wouldn't improve his basic wage after such an abysmal end to last season, no way has he earned that. I would consider a performance and "keep your fecking mouth shut" based clause to give him the opportunity to earn more if he sorts his stinking attitude out.

Let's not kid ourselves though. If he stays, and he bangs in 10 in his first 10 games then all of this nonsense will be largely forgotten.

Funny, I was under the impression that he was a paid employee of Everton, under contract, and it was actually his bloody job to score goals. This he tried desperately to disprove towards the end of the season, but I would swear he was still pickling up a wage.

IF, and it is unknown in reality, IF Mr Koeman wants to keep him, and isn't just playing the game to up his price, the miscreant wants reminding that he is under contract for another 3 years, at an already agreed salary.

I see no logical reason to pay him more money given his outpourings, and risk pissing off his team mates. Lukaku looks to me like he is becoming the Kevin Pieterson of the Everton dressing room, and he needs to publicly apologise to fans, team mates, and club alike, keep his mouth shut in future, and start banging in the goals. Or just get rid to any mug prepared to pay over £55m.

Secondly, In reference to those who say that his attitude isn't important so long as he's scoring, take note that I honestly don't believe it's the mouthing-off that's pissed of the fan base. It's mouthing off combined with the obvious "I'm too good for this" attitude on the pitch.

Imagine having a striker like big Rom with the desire and effort that RatBoy gave those odious lot across the park.

Anyone remember the Swansea defeat? He honestly did not give a shit about trying and didn't give a shit about losing.

If he's just going to stay to postpone the inevitable he's surely got to go NOW. The only way he should stay is if he states directly to mosh/Ron that he's on board long term (and they believe him).
I doubt that will happen. Ship him out, plenty more fish in the sea.

New manager will mean a clean slate for everyone. Personally I think the reality for Rom's father and agent is no bids have arrived. Sad really for Rom because his agent is building him up to fall. It's not the agent or the father having to face the rest of the players come July.

I feel the Lukaku soap opera starring my agent, me father, and the footballer is to be continued........

I have no respect left for Lukaku but I hope next season he STARTS playing in the manner his conceited opinion of himself promises. If, as I suspect, he's too thick to know what that is I'm sure RK, a true legend as a player, can give him all the clues he needs, and only then can our numb-nuts centre forward attract queries from clubs in leagues where defenders know how to defend......and that obviously doesn't include France.

If PSG offer what we want I'd snatch their hand off and let the tosser find his level with a club with only a 46-year history, and European success no better than ours.

Apparently I'm in the minority, but I'm well and truly put off by the player, and his disrespect of the club these past few months is a bridge too far for me. As talented as he is, I don't feel like making this a yearly drama.

Welcome to reality. If you want Everton to be a club expected to compete at the top, then we will go through this exact thing every year that we do not reach expectations. That's what happens at City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea if they finish mid table of bottom half in consecutive years.

If Mahrez, Vardy and Kante stay at Leicester this season, and they finished 10th, those players will be off that summer. Chelsea don't allow that to happen, sacking Mourinho mid season after winning the title because they know that they must let those key players know that mediocrity is not accepted. I will guarantee you that a few of those players will seek moves this summer anyway, to get Champions League football, and if for some reason they finished mid table again next season and missed out on Europe they would be off.

De Gea made all those noises, and said if Van Gaal stayed he would go because he didn't believe they'd achieve anything with him. It's only because they got Mourinho that he said he wants to stay, because he believes they will challenge for he title next season and will be back in the Champions League the next. Do you see United supporters screaming how he disgraced their club? Of course not, and we need to get the fuck on board with that mentality as well if we want to really be competing with them. Because right now, all this shit about his wages, and disrespect for thinking about moving to a bigger club to win trophies, that is small club thinking that needs to stop. We should be saying to hell with wage structures, we need to pay the going rate. And we don't just send off our top goal scorer, we should build around that to bring in more goal scorers, more creative players, that will only improve our team.

Jesus people, think big for once, because for the first time since the 80's we have a Board that is apparently thinking bigger than a large number of our fan base. Or at least a decent number of people on here.

My only issue is his statements. I don't expect loyalty but a bit of respect and decency would be nice. That said, there are plenty of things I look for in a striker ahead of manners.

So basically, let's just see who's wearing blue in August.

You are putting him on a platter with the likes of De Gea, Hazard etc who are already world class players.

Lukaku is a legend in his own mind and needs to stop disrespecting the club, the fans and his team mates by suggesting EFC is below him.

I understand he can score goals but he is certainly not a world class player and the way I see it he may well be the toxicity in the dressing room.

I would sooner share the goals amongst top class MF players and a CF who can hold up play and bring his team mates into play than feed this egotistical prick (and I have never felt that about any EFC player in 56 years supporting them) every ball he wants so he can bask in the glory.

Everything in these relentless Lukaku must stay/go threads is conjecture, surely?

I don't not rate Lukaku, on the contrary, I just said nobody would pay the sort of money which was being spoken about here. Nowhere near. I also said he was not out of the very top draw and the big boys will not come calling... that doesn't mean he cant be.

I think (conjecture again) that this is the beginning of the face-saving exercise I have spoken about., Its bollocks to suggest nobody can afford him, every team in the Premier League could.

Nobody has come in for him, that alone may be a salutary lesson to him, his gobby arl fella and the greedy fucker who represents him. Could be good news all round.

Yes, I understand that top players move from underperforming clubs, and additionally they and their people speak to the press. Believe it or not, I was aware of it prior to reading that condescending little lecture of yours directed at me up there.

What I do have a problem with - and what makes up the whole of my short comment - is that I don't have the patience for what the player, his agent, and his father have said with respect to the club in public, and that I don't wish to go through it again. "Media shenanigans" is how I've put it. I've also acknowledged I'm clearly in the minority feeling this way, but I've found it unpleasant and tiresome. I'm not going to change my thoughts on that, even if it means I can't be "welcome(d) to reality." Oh well.

For the record, I don't agree with your implied assertion that a top club like City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, et al would routinely tolerate a player's protracted mouthing off the way Everton has with Lukaku this post-season as simply one of the costs of being a top club. My opinion is that they (the top club) would make an attempt to put an end to the public commentary, or at the very least issue a statement on the matter, as United did with De Gea (whom you've used as your example.)

So, there's a "mentality" I could "get the fuck on board" with. As for the rest of what you've 'responded' at me, I didn't write anything that would've warranted that protracted reply. You can direct it all at someone else. Cheers.

Arsenal lost Van Persie, who went to their rivals United because he wanted to win. Not for money or comfort, as I'm sure he preferred his home in London to Manchester. Sagna, Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas, all left Arsenal to actually go for league titles and not just settle for top 4 finishes. As did Sterling, Suarez, Alonso, Mascherano leave our neighbors.

Lukaku scored 25 goals last season. He wasn't average, wasn't subpar. What he saw was a club that was willing to settle for a poor manager leading the club to back to back horrible finishes. So he was thinking of what the right move for his career was, while we were without a manager. And don't forget that our current manager left his previous club "disrespecting" them. So if your stance is that it's ok when others do it to our benefit, but how dare anyone thing about leaving us!!!? Well, that's what I'm saying you might want to try to move on from.

Because if another player, like Payet for example, said he was really impressed by what Everton is trying to do and sees us as challenging for trophies and not West Ham, you'd be celebrating that. If he said he wanted to come here to take the next step and be part of challenging for trophies, you'd be thrilled. That's what we did to get our new manager. And that's what we're going to have to do to get the players we want in the future. So all I'm saying is, face the reality of the situation of why he was feeling the way he was, and maybe why his agent is saying something a little different now.

Its dissapointing how our 3 potentially world class talents (Ross, Stones, Lukaku) had poor seasons in general. As much as I dislike his attitude though, you'd have to say that Lukaku actually had the better season of the three.

It's journalism of the poorest type but they, like us, live off gossip and hearsay. Rom will stay for several reasons and be successful at Everton. I'm convinced of that.

Especially considering his efforts in the last 10 matches of the season. I'm still fuming about the FA Cup!

I don't want to be one of those classless new money clubs with gobby players like this. I know that risks not winning anything but I want to win the Everton way - with dignity.

You know what, you maybe on to something there. I thought/dreamt this yesterday. Why not?

We need a statement signing, why not go for Hazard from Chelsea? Would keep Lukaku happy and be a statement of intent.

As for Rom and the last 10 games. Maybe there is another side to it. Not saying he didn't cost us. But maybe he was the main one to spit his dummy out with the old regime? I mean who did perform well in the later part of the season? Maybe the big lad shown his discontent in his performances.

I'd love to keep him, let RK try and get something out of him, fulfill his potential.

Not to sure about a new contract though. Only way I would go for this if it has a set buy out clause. Then if it is met, then move along, no more of this Dad/Agent bullshit.

To me he is a good goal scorer but a puddin' of a footballer, he will always score goals but I doubt he will improve as a footballer. In the words of an old Scouse saying " He has the making of a fine big lazy bastard".

Personally, I'm sick to death of him and his stinking attitude. I'm praying that someone gives us at least £45 mil for him but I won't hold my breath.

If he were to stay, I swear to god I'd never get out my seat if he scored another goal for us. And I mean that.

On another note, read this, our manager is well thought of:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Evertons-new-manager-ronald-koeman-11465838

A) The presumed long list of 'big' clubs queing up to sign him was just a dream and there have not actually been any, and,

B) With the new owner he (plus agent) can now see himself getting a massive pay rise.

Sorry to be cynical but this guy has been going on about playing for a CL club for at least 2 years and all of a sudden he 'might stay' and this coincidentally when we have a lot more money?

He has great potential but his attitute leaves a lot to be desired - I'd happily get rid and bring in a player even of lesser quality but who will give 100% and not mouth off the whole time.

Also he signed a FIVE year contract in 2014 so still has 3 years left on it - why would we offer him another contract for over 100k/week? If he's not happy on 75k/week he can bugger off to......oh, erm, yeh that''l be no one.

There's not much dignity with Chelsea, Man City and even their lofty neighbours these days as the focus is firmly on success, success, success. Much as I abhorred the appointment of Martinez, he always struck me as a man of dignity even if he did insist on insulting our intelligence.

Dignity does not enter into it with me - I'm anxious to start winning !

Romelu, like all the players is just a functionary - a tool in the box - not someone we have to love or hate. Let the very highly paid manager earn his money by managing him to a 30 goal season. Toxic or not.

Martinez/Kenwright

or

Koeman/Moshiri

I'm not surprised he may now want to stay

Everton are on the verge of a new era, we all hope, and I think he should be a part of that. Plus a nice pay rise will help persuade him to stay. After all, that's what football is all about in the current environment.

Learn to control a ball, learn how to time a jump, learn how to use your size and shut your trap.

As for a few of you on here, I worry for your state when we do actually get a world class player here. I mean in all seriousness your have indulged this lad with all sorts of excuses just because hes scored a few more goals than our previous bargain bucket strikers. Get some bloody pride.

Would Lukaku have scored that many goals if we werent an all out gung ho attacking side under RM.

In addition Lukaku caused a number of goals against with his poor ball control leading the opposition to break away and score.

He may be able to score goals but he is far from being a 65m striker who deserves over 100k per week.

Are you doing this for you or Everton? ... I think we know that answer.

We deserve better, perhaps your agent is getting sweaty because no-one wants you!

Why don't you both slither under that stone and take your dad with you!

NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM

You and your crew wouldn't understand!

We were kind of the opposite, a passive possession, 'fanny around with it at the back til everyone's bored' kind of team who didn't pass it forwards anywhere near often enough. Lukaku scored those goals despite our playing style, not because of it. We didn't even attempt to utilise set-pieces properly.

Some people are desperate to criticise him as a player, but it's just becoming clearer and clearer that you're losing that argument. You are trying to rationalise an emotional reaction. Stop trying. Dislike him for wanting to leave if you like, but don't turn that into a 'she was shit in bed anyway' reaction to being dumped by your girlfriend.

(Apologies to anyone who has just been dumped by their girlfriend).

(Or is shit in bed).

There is literally nothing Lukaku could do to override the heinous evil he has perpetrated? Or are you prone to hyperbolic overreactions?

Perhaps you just wanted some attention for having said the most extreme and ridiculous anti-Lukaku thing on this thread?

If Steven Gerrard scored the winner for Everton against Liverpool in the Cup Final I think I could handle a little badge kiss.

Last season he had at least 6 goals put on a 6 yard plate for him by deulofeu. A few tidy finishes in the box, a couple of one on ones and of course his goal against chelsea plus a few pennos of which he missed two vital ones.

What did he actually do for the team? I tell you what he did was make pathetic junior level runs which henry picked up on against italy. He moaned, skulked, gave the ball away.

He is the most over rated player I have seen play for Everton. I cant wait to see him go to watch his journey to the chinese or turkish leagues.

He scored goals Peter. You know that thing that football is about, he also created quite a few as well.

What's that you say? His goals don't count because his teammates helped him score them? Shit, I hadn't thought of that, good point.

An Arsenal drinking friend of mine summed up the Club's attitude in one word - 'Parsimonious'. They definitely have an attitude unique to them selves. They have acted with great business wisdom over the years and have amassed a solid commercial base with a great stadium and respectful traditions.

However they have a group of shareholders who lack the willingness to invest risk capital. This is what makes Moshiri so interesting. I sense he is quite a remarkable man:-

1. Self made billionaire; nuff said.
2. Genuinely loves football and appreciates the footy side of things.
3. As a super smart businessman he is applying great business tactics so well suited to the current football dynamic. High risk investment into a specialized, volatile but positive market.
4. He identified the importance of the manager and persued his goal and landed him.
5. Absolutely discreet but not in a shy, hermit like way. You get the feeling that he is pulling all the strings and that BK for example is jumping to his every command.
6. He did not grant RM an audience before he was dismissed. No need to, Why should he.
7. His representative on the board seems a suave, savvy guy who's recent interview gave the perfect, almost too scripted summary of the management's feelings for the identity of the people's club.
8.
Will probably not get drawn into a meeting with Rom, who the hell does he think he is assuming he will talk with the Chairman before he decides what to do!
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Koeman's appointment has more behind it than I appreciated and I will be fascinated to see who the new Director of Football will be. He will not necessarily be a media darling because that isn't relevant, but he will be a proven entity.
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Nothing brash about the guy, but he is a definitely a diplomat and a doer and I am waiting to see a championship quality side pushing the boat out further than we can imagine. We have some staggering quality talent on the books, which if managed and marketed correctly will pay dividends big time and he knows this. I believe it was one of the drivers behind his decision to invest. The others being the essential quality of the Club and its fan base. We all agree Everton are a sleeping giant and what is that really? Its a massive commercial opportunity.
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Does he see the new stadium as a drawback? Absolutely not. It is a developers dream opportunity. Instant magnet draw to raise the land values around so currently under negotiation will be land take and resultant rising land values around. Docks, water, room to expand all the ingredients for success.

for the ironic among us, a big thanks to Bill and Roberto for in a weird way helping this to become a really potential reality.
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The marquee signing is exactly the right approach, quality and not quantity.

Perhaps you could list the other current EPL centre forwards that you think are better than him? I doubt it.

The problem with your black and white view is that your natural prejudice against Lukaku means you just have to try and make up any old argument however lacking in credibility it may be, although you were notably absent after Lukaku's recent brace.

A balanced opinion is perhaps that Lukaku does go missing some games, but then again nearly all strikers do, just look at Vardy and Kane. His first touch can be terrible, but when he's on his game he's unplayable, pace, power, skill, with a powerful shot and good finisher. We all have good as well as not so good traits. The market will reflect his value and if he leaves it won't be for the value of a player that's aligned to your frankly ridiculous assertion that he's the most overrated player to ever play for Everton.

Lukaku has a good game in their second match and scores twice and guess what, no posts at all from you.

You are a positional poster in my opinion who's dead set on only ever posting one side of the argument. As I say black and white and too simplistic I'm afraid.

"Jay, we weren't an all out gung-ho attacking side. Not even close."

We were the 7th highest scorers in the Prem despite an abysmal season scoring 6 less than Arsenal and 10 more than Man Utd.

"Some people are desperate to criticise him as a player, but it's just becoming clearer and clearer that you're losing that argument"

On what basis do you make that claim. As far as I can see it the majority of posters do not rate his ball control, heading or work rate.

"Dislike him for wanting to leave if you like, but don't turn that into a 'she was shit in bed anyway' reaction to being dumped by your girlfriend."

If you check my posts you will see I criticised Lukaku long before he was trying to talk himself to another club.

This site is a site for opinions not a battle for supremacy. I understand you rate Lukaku and do not want him to go but many of us feel we deserve better.

On a side note, a book my friend wrote, a must for any Evertonian:

http://www.decoubertin.co.uk/here-we-go-Everton-in-the-1980s-the-players-stories/

I'm not trying to achieve supremacy, just common sense. Many TWers seem determined to cut off their noses to spite their faces, I'm very keen to persuade them otherwise.

And we were not a gung-ho attacking side. We passed it backwards and sideways far more often than we passed it forwards. If we'd been a gung-ho attacking side, we'd have been a lot happier as a fan base. Much of the criticism of Martinez was based on always having two defensive midfielders and not showing attacking intent when in possession.

Could it be that we scored so many goals because we had... Hang on a minute...

No. It couldn't be that.

Could it?

So names please of the strikers who are going to be queuing up to jump on the Everton bandwagon and fill all the criteria above.

Certainly lives up to his flat track bully form. Maybe if we can play villa, swansea, sunderland, newcastle every week then he will be worth keeping. Maybe belguim can bring him out for nations ranked lower than 20th so he can boost his goals.

Nothing more being said than the usual. Just fan boys desperate to see the club lower itself to hope we can keep this over rated egotistical gob on legs. Its nothing personal against Rom... ive always seen him as someone who thinks hes better than us... the fact os hes showing his true colours.

Because those two goals against Chelsea were scored by the other 10 players in an Everton shirt being better than Chelsea, right? Same goes for the goal against City, and the goals against West Ham, Southampton, Liverpool.

The only way he scored was by the other 10 players doing all the work, absolutely mate. Same goes for all the goals he set up. It's amazing that the opposition didn't pick up on that and just leave him unmarked and focus on our immense attacking threats of McCarthy, Lennon, Cleverly and Barry. Now that's some shocking management by the opposition. How couldn't they have sussed that out, those idiots. I mean, it's not as if for much of the season Lukaku was left up top on his own, with no real attacking support, and somehow still managed to score 25 goals in a side that was instructed to spend most of the match passing it sideways and backward.

Everton Football Club has agreed a deal to appoint Patrick Lodewijks as first-team goalkeeping coach.

The 49-year-old is set to join Ronald Koeman’s backroom team from Feyenoord on completion of the necessary paperwork.

Lodewijks previously worked alongside the new Blues manager during his time at the helm of the Eredivisie side.............................

All we need now is a new goalkeeper or two for him to coach!!

The reason why people highlight his deficiencies is because he arrogantly makes out he is 'perfect', when he is clearly not (e.g. poor conttol, poor peno taker) and his attitude could be better (laziness at times, especially last 10 games).

If you don't get why people are annoyed with him, you don't understand Evertonians.

I also dislike the irritate 'tell me who we should get'!!!! rants. A long time ago when I told people I knew 'Martinez out' one buffoon kept saying to me 'but who would you replace him with??!' My answer 'not my job, all I know is I want him out'.

People do not have to suggest a replacement. The kid can score goals. If he kept his mouth shut and put in more effort and had control lessons, he could be scoring 30-40 and be loved. If he wants yo go as we're a turd on his shoe - he can do one, I have more self respect, do you?

When has he ever said that? I've seen plenty of interviews where he talks about needing to work on weaknesses in his game but never one where he professes to be perfect.

I'm one of those who'd be happy to see him stay and bang them in at the same rate he's done so far (with a crap team support for him on the pitch so far).

IMO he seems to think he is bigger and better than EFC. which is a BIG mistake. Plus some of his efforts last season on the pitch left a lot to be desired by many.

He is on 60 goals in 132 Premier League games since 2012.

However, of those 60 only 11 have came against the Premier League’s usual top six, in this case Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham.

Take away his WBA goals and they are more damning.

Damian, No it isn't...

The main thing is for him to score as many goals as he can for Everton
full stop I don't care what him or his agent/father says as long as he does the job he is paid to do, and being a striker that is to score goals.
Which he does better than any striker we have had in the last 30 years, unless you know something to the contrary?

Still waiting for the names of the Strikers who are far superior and begging for us to go sign them up!!!!
Names please?????????????????????

Free transfer jermaine beckford
£4m jelavic
Home grown anichebe
Loanee landon donovan
Loanee denis straq
Loanee Jo
Free transfer injured Saha
£10 yak (better player imo)
£6m AJ
£6m beattie

I mean I could go on and on way back to 35 year old Mark Hughes, John Spencer. But maybe we should look at the £28m romelu lukaku who cost more than all of those player combined before we start get excited about his average of 14 prem league goals in his 3 seasons here.

The funny thing is, if it was the other way around and all his goals were scored against those clubs and he failed to score against the rest of he league, these same exact people would be on here slating him. I can just see all the comments "only performs when he wants to", "only working hard in those matches for the shop window", "he's just trying to earn a move, he can't be arsed in the majority of the games", "those don't matter, we're not competing against those sides. He needs to be scoring against the West Hams and Southamptons as those are the club's we need to finish above".

I'm not looking to pick an argument just to be clear on exactly what he's said. And I do think there's some disrespect in coming out and saying he wants away. But I don't know if he said those other clubs are bigger (or you think they are bigger?). I suppose if those clubs are in Europe next season, then by definition they are bigger than us at the moment (it won't last!).

"IMO he seems to think he is bigger and better than EFC". Again, are we just projecting those words and sentiments onto him, putting a different twist on them? One man can't be bigger or better than a whole club.

I have a feeling that those sorts of words and phrases are not what he might have said, but might have been used on here to express our displeasure at him saying he wants to go, and then those words and phrases take on a life of their own, as if he actually said them and people attack him for things he might not have said.
As I say, I'm not sure what he's actually said.

Strikers are paid to hit the net and like him or loathe him he scores goals simple. If we are to replace him then we need his replacement at Goodison before we do.

I also think the journo's tend to ask him alot of leading questions which lead to him stating his ambitions, which pisses us off, but gives them something to write about. Eden Hazard for example being asked whether he'd like Lukaku at Chelsea next season, I mean c'mon!

I'd keep him but if he was sold for a hefty profit and we got a couple of good strikers out of it, so be it. A couple of dangerous goal scoring midfielders to chip in might help too.

Jackie he has been playing professional football for 7 years... he still cant trap a ball and realistically he will be done by 28 like most who play alot at a young age.

Listen, youve all fallen in love with someone that never loved you. The thing is you just cant see what a few of us can.... hes just not that good, get over it. Your support of him despite his disrespect is embarrassing.

I'm intrigued. Most who play a lot at a young age are finished by 28?! Strewth! Never realised that!

The Yak maybe?

Some out of reach, some risky and some needing to rediscover form. Who knows if they'd do better than Lukaku? But there are options out there...

All of you who call for his head. How many of you honestly want us to win something in a not too distant future?

By your logic Real should sell Ronaldo every damned summer. Lukaku is ambitious and we have been horrible for two straight seasons, no use blaming him because he has done his bit in terms of goals.

I´d rather we´d get rid of the huge amount of passengers in our squad. Gibson, Konè, McGeady, McCarthy, Niasse. Those are the players we need rid of, not Lukaku

Apart from maybe Spurs with Kane what other team were so reliant on one man, and there for looked so toothless when that one man was not on fire.

Would it come as a surprise to know that the top clubs do not concede as many goals because their teams are stronger and win more matches? Are you suggesting that other strikers that play for teams outside the top 6 score the same proportion of their goals against the top 6 as they do against the rest of the teams?

There will always be a bias over any significant statitistical period of time of strikers scoring more goals against lower teams than top teams. But that's obvious isn't it.

I see you haven't posted any names of other current EPL strikers that you think are better than Lukaku. Ah wait, you probably won't be able to get a wifi signal.....

11/60 of his goals come against the top 6/19 clubs.

That's a fair ratio, all strikers score more against the weaker teams. I hope it didn't take you very long to research that.

Some very odd arguments on here. Somehow wanting Rom to stay is to lack self-respect now! No, plenty of self-respect, which is why I'm not so insecure as to be so upset by him saying he wants to win trophies and play in the Champions League. In fact, I have do much self-respect for our club that I want all our players to want that.

Again, Mark Frere compiled a list of all the top scorers in the other six biggest European Leagues, somebody please pick a name from his list. There is no-one. 'Someone else' doesn't exist.

Rom wants to play for anyone who is in the Champions League and is competing to win trophies, so let's get in the Champions League and compete to win trophies and stop crying and stamping out feet.

Most will be playing for teams because their agents have negotiated what they believe are the best deals for their players with these teams. Let's face it most are from overseas and have no real alligence to their club but they are professionals and get on with doing their best for the club that pays them, in the main.

So a much more realistic question perhaps is how many players including Lukaku, are happy to play for Everton. I strongly suspect that almost every EPL player given a free choice will 'want' to play for one of the top 6 EPL clubs, or another leading European club. But most don't have the luxury of their top choice.

That some of the other players were fed up playing for Martinez I'd have to agree with, but none to me showed it as much as Lukaku, and he has shown that side of his nature too many times in the three seasons he has been here.

I can't say I take too much notice of what he says when he goes abroad to play for Belgium, it certainly doesn't bother me, it's his attitude when he is on the pitch that counts and I confess I'm not very impressed with Lukaku's attitude.

I've said it many times I think he wants to go and when he does as long as we get a good fee for him I'll be happy.

Moving on to a few days ago, who's heart didn't pound a little more when Sasha announced he 'was very much hoping our new coach was going to be the Guardian of that (Everton's) culture? It was I'm pretty sure music to everyone's ears regardless of the differences in opinion we have about this and that.

Of course there will be times, like in any 'family', where the boat will be rocked occasionally. Why not? We are a proud, passionate, even dignified and certainly very protective of our history and everything else that defines us as a 'whole', right?

To paraphrase myself from a post I made before to someone I can't remember, 'Do you seriously believe a man like Farhad would send a so-called 'KGB Attitude Adjuster' called Sasha all the way to somewhere in Europe to appeal to the finer qualities of that warthog, super-duper not-so-secret agent who represents the eternal, deluded wantaway?' No. Sasha was, in my opinion, sent to tell the hog to tell his client to stop taking the wee out of his employer who also happens to have the final say in his future – be it playing for Juventus or our Under-21s for the next 3 years because it is just not dignified and the Everton way.

Now, me being a bit old school and one of those in the minority (35'ish % of people) who want to see the back of Lukaku, after all the things he's done and the waves he's caused, has it really come to the point where the price of maintaining a bit of dignity as a club (and that's all of us by the way, there ain't nothing without us) really been hijacked by the majority 65% who want him to stay just because he nets 20 - 25 goals a season? Is that it? The best argument you can make?

To me, just because he scores 20 or so goals a season depending on how you count them, is that really enough to justify wanting him anywhere near Goodison Park unless he's just visiting for the day?

What price principles, Toffee people? And don't tell me we can't afford them now...

One mitigating factor perhaps is that Lukaku is a big bloke, he's never going to have the same stamina as a Vardy type player. Instead he has strength when on the ball and bursts of pace. He will have to play in bursts and then recover and go again. That's just his physique, like a heavyweight boxer compared to a lightweight. So he will always look less active than some other strikers, but that's not to excuse his performances and effort at the end of the season.

Lukaku has been with us for 3 seasons and scored loads of goals. However, in the league is his record that good? I haven't researched but think he didn't score in last 10 league games for us and season before he scored 2 I think after Christmas. He gets to play every game (a plus for us I suppose as injury record very good) but team is set up for him only to score goals in my opinion. I would be interested in knowing how he compares to goals per minute in the league against other strikers. Does anybody know that statistic?

Who would I replace him with. Bale. He would do for me. Would he come? If Real Madrid want rid, of course, he would come for the money. He would say "I'm coming for the project" . Massive myth around champions league bollocks - players move for money or stay because their happy where they are (more often than not because of the money they're on). City signed a load of players without CL football. Other players Bony, Dzecho, the Croatian big lad - Manzuchi is it?

He'd score and then we'd concede an appallingly soft goal. Must be gutting for a striker, especially when you're on form and the defence is shite!

I'd imagine he'd look at us (pre-Martinez sacking) and think "I'm off"...

This sounds like a defence of his shite-talking, but it's not. Just trying to show how he must have been frustrated.

Anyway Eire have just scored so both of us might be happy with that.

Rom stank the gaff out again tonight by all accounts. Sitter after sitter, I guess de bryne just never gave him the service. He actually got ruled offside by being in the opponents half when the last swedish defender was in belguims half...

Well done Ireland... thats what work and commitment to the shirt looks like

So stamina eh? Was he ordered not to rest between games after January? Are you likening games in January to May to the last 3 rounds of a titanic battle in manilla??? The poor sod, I cant imagine not being able to get 3 days rest like 34 year old gareth barry who runs 10k a game... to think ive been so tough on Rom and all this time hes been treated differently to other footballers.

Bale isn't realistic. If he was then Lukaku would be in the press everyday saying how excited he was to be at Everton.

Bony is decent, Lukaku's scoring record is better over the last two seasons. 4 in 26 league goals last season.

Dzeko same applies, 8 in 31 last season. He's also 30 already.

Mandzukic is very good. 10 in 27 last season. Also 30 already.

And would these players suddenly discover an undying love and commitment for Everton FC? I doubt it.

I don't have any particular regard for Lukaku other than that he is clearly, clearly Everton's best option up front. To be honest I might well try to buy one of those others as well as keeping Lukaku.

And all that is with us not even knowing in detail the faults and weaknesses in those players' games. We only know Rom's because we see him every week, and frankly, some of you are exaggerating them significantly anyway. The grass is not always greener.

Pelle £7m:- far better team player, better in the air, not as pacey and maybe not everyones cup of tea but we would be able sustain attacks better. He links play. Pelle + deulofeu = goals

Lacazette £30m:- is the player most were hoping Rom could be but wont. No hes not a 6ft 3 "beast" with dreadlocks - think suarez/sturridge and that energy, pace, guile and trickery. Will be a world class player.

Gameiro £20m:- class act, pain in the arse for defenders, knows where the net is.

Vincent Jansenn £20m:- 2 good feet, technically good, strong in the air, strong, links up play, scores goals

The most important asset ever for a striker is GOALS!!! GOALS!!! don't you see?????

Bangs head against wall!!!!!!!

I could reel off more if you want? After all thats what you asked for.

If you think one of them names will score as many goals as Rom you are not playing on the xbox1 enough.
He had a poor finish to the season and still scored 25 goals.
next season I will want and expect him to score 30.

I repeat, is he really that good considering minutes he plays and league goals he scores? I'm not so sure and certainly not terrified of losing him but like I said would prefer he stays. Hopefully we will get at least one more to challenge or play with him.

On a separate note, everybody throws his goalscoring ratio back in your face if you criticise Lukaku and say that's the most important thing. Errrrm no it isn't what's important is getting points, winning games and trophies. An example - Andy Gray. Did he score that many goals for us? Again I'm not statto but I suspect about 10 league goals but what a player.

I just wonder how many of the strikers I named wouldnt have scored more than 3 goals in 18 league games since january. I wonder how many would have spectacularly missed sitter after sitter in the fa cup semi final.... none is my guess. But I reckon they too would pad out their goals against cannon fodder.

Posters have asked for proof that he has made the 'want away' statements. If none of these quotes, insights, musings, whatever have not been made by him, why has he or his agent not said, "That it's all a pack of lies and paper talk"?

Could he now be staying? Well he will if nobody comes in for him. It's a bit like your girlfriend saying she wants to leave you for a cooler dude (so she thinks). If she changes her mind she's already said it and it doesn't sit right.

It must be quite irritating for EFC to be reading that the club aren't meeting his ambitions. The other players mustn't have any ambition as I haven't seen anything supposedly written by anyone wanting to move.

The possibility that the bigger clubs don't seem to fancy him might be a bitter pill to swallow.Perhaps 'little old Everton' might not be too bad after all!!! I wonder if a fine of £100 per word in these articles would see any change? A legend in his own lunchtime.

Little Richard (the singer) once said. "The grass is always greener, but it's just as hard to cut."

Strikers before him have never been so indulged... they were either partners who shared the goals. Were rotated, had to suffer from Moyes and his striker destroying tactics.

Me? I don't forget any of that... just like I don't forget the amount of times we concede goals or surrender strong possession because of his technical competencies.

Ill be honest. If he was on the market for £15m - £20m I would buy him in our current wealth. I would use him as a last 30 minute striker or someone to rotate. Thats about it.

In any event, Man Utd lost their goal machine (who coincidentally is light years ahead of Lukaku) and guess what? – their team scored loads more goals without him.

Did Leicester winning not remind you that football is a team game – not the Lukaku show? Stop worrying – we have a new manager and owner and everything looking positive at least until we've played Spurs!

Eric:

"Like someone said earlier show me where he has said something disrespectful about the club?"

I give up with you, maybe you're just a 'black & white' thinker. If he'd directly slagged us off and said 'Everton are a crap club and the fans are utter bellends' you'd get it, but anything with a hint of ambiguity and you struggle.

Do you work? Let's say you worked for Barclays and they paid you very well and you were treated very well. But you consistently talked to banking journals (which everyone at Barclays saw) about how you want to work for a bank that operates at a better level and you talked about how brilliant you were and how it might be HSBC, perhaps Coutts that you go to. Do you think people at Barclays may be a little irked? Perhaps a better way forward if you wanted to move is not talk to the banking journals and talk privately with your boss at Barclays?

Maybe you just don't care or have no pride.

What do you think a premier league striker should reasonably expect to achieve in a season? And for the stats followers on here you will find 50% of his goals where scored against top half teams last season...

The guy is not perfect but the stupid remarks on here are well over the top. Imagine if he had only scored 10 goals a season but goals don't matter do they!!!

ps: Top four teams scored the most goals, bottom four didn't.

Contradicting yourself there, I think, Peter. Scoring and goals – that is the same thing. Goals and only goals win football matches – always have done always will do.

Well as you like a stat let's take a look at their EPL record:

Pelle age 30: 60 appearances 23 goals
Lukaku age 23: 118 appearances 60 goals

Lukaku has scored about a goal ever 2 games and Pelle about 1 every 3 games. Yet you'd take this 30 year old with a significantly worse goal scoring record. Each to their own I guess.

Lukaku is the best option for Everton F.C. That's why I've posted in his favour, because there is no-one out there who's available who will give us more. Some of the criticism is getting bizarre. There also seems to be an accepted wisdom that Lukaku can't link play (he has more assists than those other strikers as well as more goals). We also now admit to guessing about these other players but somehow that's okay.

I understand the people who want him gone on principle because he's disrespected the club by talking about leaving, but I think that's a self-defeating emotional reaction to the situation. Cold hard reality is that we're better off with him, and frankly if we win the first few games and are competing at the top of the league he'll be perfectly happy to be here and will probably say so next time he plays for Belgium.

What I don't understand is the people trying to convince themselves that he's no good, in clear disagreement with actual quotable and comparable facts. I also disagree with the notion that he's easily replaced and am trying to use the facts to do this. The people arguing against this view seem to be arguing from a combination of guesswork, anger and a professed ignorance of the other strikers around European football.

I think I'm going to leave it there. You don't have to like Lukaku, and wanting rid of him is a legitimate view, but at least be honest with yourselves why and try to make some sense about it.

ha ha we can win them all 0-0

"What do you think a premier league striker should reasonably expect to achieve in a season?"

We're not discussing this, it's his disrespectful comments/attitude that is in question, LISTEN for goodness sake.

I'll try AGAIN. Do you think it is okay to constantly talk in the media about who he might play for next season, an open discussion whilst still playing for us?

So you assume that I think Pelle is the only player in the prem who I think is good enough to replace Rom??? You debate like a 12 year old.

You fall into the trap of assuming people cant work with stats.... its my job.

First golden rule:- "identify the clear opportunities for spin".... this is where many arguments don't stand up.

1. When quoting goals vs appearances do not assume every player does 90 minutes like Rom. Other managers may have other strikers who arent kone and niasse - saints have long etc so look at goals per minutes. In the case of Pelle in a saints shirt in the prem he averages a goal every 2.6 game based on minutes played. Rom averages a goal every 2.2 games.

When projected over a full 38 games season playing 90 minutes every game that projects Rom at 17 goals and Pelle at 15 goals. For £7m and a better all round game i'll have pelle for 3 years and £40m+ change thanks very much.

2. The age thing.... the bloody age thing. Has there ever been evidence that every player improves from 21 to 30? No. In fact there has been a great piece of analysis done looking at 50 of the best attacking midfielders/strikers of recent years which looked at age related stats of players like owen, fowler, neymar, messi, shearer, dublin, RVP, torres, yorke, costa, wright, eto. The most prolific age of these players on average??? 24 years of age. So based on averages Rom is approaching his peak year. And yes.... it has been proven, players who start later tend to have more in the tank at 29, those who start early are shadows of themselves.

Lukaku is definately the best expensive striker we have bought though. Our previous 4 most expensive strikers could have been bought for less than he cost ... I wonder if that is why people say hes the best weve had in ages?

We get some spin on here that comes from the elstone book of bull.

Everybody has to eat a little bit of shit as they go along, up to a point it builds character. But just as there's shit you (we) have to take, there is also shit you (we) don't have to take and Lukaku is teetering on that line and may have even crossed it a few times.

The ultimate discipline is self- discipline...and a lot of his on field body language does not suggest this is his strong point - no matter how articulately he speaks and how well he comes across.

Hopefully Koeman can kick his arse and get it into his head that He, his Dad or his agent can't just talk him into the CL and that his on field performance with us is his key.

If an offer comes in we don't have to take it, but if it's big enough and the message doesn't seem to be getting through to him, there's no need for us to cut our nose off to spite our face.

As for pay rise to keep him sweet - see above, we don't need to. He can come back this time next year and talk about all manner of things...including how he's done in the last 11 mths.

No more Mr Nice Guy, no more blowing smoke up his arse...Hardball.

Eden Hazard effectively did a Lukaku at Chelsea for 2/3rds of the season.

Lukaku is playing for himself and always will do, but no one can dispute that where ever this lad goes he will score goals.

We should keep him, don't slate him for being ambitious. A lot of the noise thats come from him and his camp originates form the arse end of the Martinez era where even I would have wanted to do a runner. The club was going nowhere fast.

We now have a new owner and manager. Everton is a completely different animal to a couple of months ago. I hope he stays.

I always make a habit of checking stats thrown out by people on ToffeeWeb which sound a bit questionable to me. For example, recently somebody said that 'Everton stayed up with the lowest points total in the Premier League'. Pretty instantly disprovable.

Of the Top 4 last season, Arsenal scored the fewest (City scored the most and finished 4th, which rather blows your thesis anyway) and Arsenal scored 65. West Ham also scored 65 and finished outside the Top 4 - the big difference between Arsenal and West Ham, apart from the little matter of 5 places, was in the goals conceded. Arsenal conceded far fewer.

No he didnt. At the business end of his first season on loan we had champions league in our own hands and he piped up saying he would only play for a champions league club the next season.... then he had a few stinkers including southampton and palace and chance was gone.

A good few times he has talked of leaving the club mid season... and people say its not disrespectful? Well yes it is. Its kinda like making a 3 course meal for someone and listening to them say "i cant wait to finish this so I can get down the pub" they then burp, fart and leave the plates for you to clean up. Only when they realise they are skint and cant afford a drink does their attitude change..... "yeah a bit tired to go the pub, I think I will have that glass of wine"

You can still win a match and concede 4 goals can you not??????
I have NEVER Seen a match won by not conceding goals alone.

I give up with you Everton player haters!! same old - same old.

Support your team for goodness sake.

Pride to me = winning, you will not win anything by selling your best player because you don't like something he said. Toys out of pram .

Go hate some opposition players and give ours a break.

Nice one.

By the way, hate Lukaku. No I don't. My son loves him. I said my preference is he stays. I also said he can be replaced. Just because I consider his replaceable doesn't mean I don't understand the importance of scoring goals or that I hate him. Geeeeez

We can't be seen to go on hands and knees and beg him to stay with a big fat new contract. What message does that send out to other players. Where's our pride?

It is also a fact that the teams who score the most goals will normally finish at the top end of the table. In the last 15 seasons, the teams that finish top 4 have also been the top four scorers in that season (or joint top 4 scorers) on 57 out of 60 occasions.

I would say that makes Rom's stat's even more impressive.

It was funny and I think most would just laugh and say yea that was funny what I meant was......

But no, I'm perplexed by the aggression that both yourself and also the other Peter 'I fail to grasp nothing' Roberts seem intent on demonstrating towards any posters who have the nerve to have an alternative view to your own. It looks like you both see red mist descend as soon as an alternative view to your own is expressed.

Black and white thinking equals prejudice, equals aggression. Hard to process is it? Count to 10 first.

Not saying its awful, it just doesnt put him in this elite brackey people seem to want to elevate him to.

You know what happens when you at two negatives? Its a positive. Cheers for the compliment. Indeed I "do fail to grasp nothing".

"I have NEVER Seen a match won by not conceding goals alone."

So you've never seen a 1-0 win?

You don't half talk some shite.

Apparently because some of us object to Lukaku disrespecting the club (and therby the fans) we're 'player haters'. I don't hate any of the players.

Eric are you having a relationship with Rodger Lukaku?

You can still win a game and concede goals but the number 1, not an option, it just can't happen otherwise fact, is that you HAVE to score a goal(s) to win and you do NOT HAVE to keep a clean sheet to win. God I can't believe this point is being argued.

Heard about the person who could start an argument in an empty room?

Good does that mean you are going to shut the fuck up at last?

Can't see where I went wrong with my statement - that's all if I did fair enough! I took umbrage to being called a player hater - I want Lukaku to stay and like him (think he's a knob with his comments but big deal)

"Damian you are losing the plot. You can not win a game by just (alone) not conceding a goal, you have to score to win a game."

Apologies Andy, I can't quite grasp how it is you win a game of football, could you explain a bit more clearly? I reckon you could do it as you're so much cleverer than me.

Eric:

"Andy these guys are the delusional type that go and shoot a MP or stab a footballer, weirdo loners that get fixated with the hatred of someone then just loose it.
We better not disagree or we might be next."

I think there's clear 'projection' here. I'll leave you chuckle brothers aka dumb & dumber to work out what I mean by that.

As you were.

I'm on the "Lukaku is not bigger than the club" side. His goals are important but so is the unity of the team. Giving Lukaku a bumper raise just because he sounded out is bad for us in many ways.

If this article is correct, we can only increase wages by that much and giving Lukaku that pay rise means we cannot buy much else without selling other key assets, becoming a mini version of "Zidanes and Bravos". Lukaku is definitely not close to Zidane's level, and I doubt he will ever be.

I have no doubt we will have to move mountains to replace him (Milik, Janssen or other highly rated and costly replacements) if he is to move, but we should get another top quality striker anyway regardless of our stand on Lukaku. I rather we get that and other players and not give him anything more and if he is unhappy and not willing to honor his contract, sell him.

All this agent speak backtracking from earlier comments is good for us. Sounds like we can afford to do little or nothing for now and focus on the necessary changes that will benefit the club. Again, no doubting Lukaku's input, but is kowtowing to his demands the way to go?

Last point, if we're to sell him, do we need to write off all his accomplishments? He is good up till the last 2 months. He needs to improve, but he is the best striker we have right now, and perhaps the last 2 decades. We don't have to demonize him just because he said something we (and myself for sure) disliked. I disliked what he said but if he keeps his mouth shut from now on, I'll let his comments get quietly swept under the rug.

Your vacuity and oddity levels defy belief.

I can see Eric driving his campaign bus with a picture of the dreadlocked Rom standing victorious over Kone, Niasse and Naismith with his rippling muscles all glistening.... blaring from his tannoy

"All you Everton loyalists who want to drive this ambitious yet disrespectful man out are facists! Yes... we may pay him £75k a week but do you know what we get back? He scores goals! Yes they may be against cannon fodder like swansea, villa, young boys..... so what! he is what we built Everton on.... when you mention Everton you immediately think Dixie Dean, Alan Ball, Alex Young, Ray Wilson and standing above them all Romelu Lukaku.

If you say yes to Lukexit all the other players will refuse to play for us, we will be stuck in a arouna kone and niasse recession for years... Lukaku is Everton"

"Come people, he may flop in the most important game of our season, he may have given up and scored 0 in our last 10 games, he may completely mug people like me off (but I am not aware of this so it doesn't matter) with his disrespectful comments about playing for anyone apart from his employee, but he scores goals so it's okay! Our club has no class, forget respect, don't talk to me about Kendell and Harvey, Labone et al they had respect, but dud the score goals?! Forget who we are, we are tge new Chelsea! Come and kiss the statue of Rom at my house! I am not mad, honestly!"

What is that all about?

Not rating Lukaku as irreplaceable now makes you:

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Riiiiight. Of course it does.

Refusing to believe the sun shines out the arse of a player who has been suggesting since the start of 2015 that he considers himself to be temporarily slumming it at Goodison seems a pretty sane reaction to me.

Unlike maintaining that anyone not of the same mind as yourself must be a psychopathic stalker/stab happy hoople head/prospective political assassin. That's proper 'shag a scarecrow', screw-loose stuff.

What if I were to say I recognise Rom's ability in front of goal, but every time he opens his gob I can't help but be reminded of the expression 'ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag'? Going to accuse me of standing outside George Galloways gaff wearing a pair of night vision goggles or building a giant wicker man in Bobby Warzycha's back garden?