Food for thought for Koeman as Everton have to settle for Palace draw

I'm not yet convinced about Bolasie – he flatters to deceive quite a lot and Mirallas still looks hopelessly inconsistent in his decision making; I was hoping to see Lennon rather than Mirallas for the last 15 as his direct running might have yielded something more. <:P>However I'm reasonably happy with our start notwithstanding the poor shift at Bournemouth. Nice to see Oviedo put in a good defensive performance. Here is hoping all our boys come back from the International break in one piece.

From the 3 that play in front of them, I would rate Bolasie as 7/10 currently – he could become an 8 or a 9 if he can develop a bit though. The rest of them: Deulofeu, Mirallas, Barkley, Lennon, Cleverley, I would rate them all as 6/10. You never quite know what you are going to get from any of them, certainly on a consistent basis.

The only thing that can solve this is recruitment. We need better players in those remaining midfield positions – we also need a decent back-up striker to push Lukaku. But our first choice 11 will always be a bit lacking while we have those 6/10 players in our starting line-up.

For heaven's sake, it was the same Crystal Palace, who leaked 2 goals against Sunderland in their previous match with Dann playing. Everton could only score 1 goal against them from a free kick. 1 of only 2 shots on target in the whole match.

The rest of the season is not going to get much better. Until 2 or 3 quality players are signed, which should have happened during the summer, as the winter transfer window is not the best time to sign players.

That performance could have been taken from any of the last five seasons or more. On top, foot off the pedal, let them back in, struggle for a point. Moyes or Martinez or Koeman, you wouldn't be able to tell who was in charge.

Bolasie is emerging as an exciting player with almost no end product. He may as well be entertaining the fans with fancy footwork at half-time.

Cleverley should not be on the field. Barkley should take a long holiday. The longer the better. Lukaku needs a strike partner at his shoulder. Very disappointing to see the same old same old.

I also have never liked the 4-2-3-1. It unbalances the team as we have 7 (including the goalkeeper) defending, two wide, and only one supporting the striker/assisting the midfield.

Bolasie has been shite the last two games yet not a sniff from writers on here. How Cleverley played the full game is beyond me. Where was Deulofeu? Was he injured? Lots of work ahead for the boss but seeing 5 leave and only five come in and not one pence spent stinks to high heaven.

Sell-to-buy in January, anyone? I know the ones trying to get Ross off the pitch will be shouting for him to go – just like they did for Rom in the summer.

Everton have not played well for more than 45 mins in a game at most. So yes, it needs some patience but I need to see more from the team and the manager.

Many defending Koeman saying it needs 2-3 windows but what then? Does magically buying Koeman style players mean success? At the very least with the current crop you'd expect to see something more cohesive and fluid. Everton are so up and down in games it makes you sea sick!

It feels a bit Moyes-like with better attacking players; we have immediately become more robust and can hang in games often when we are not playing well.

Koeman shouldn't be derided as yet, but let's not go overboard with the patience thing. We had 3 years of that. New era at Everton – expect better... don't just settle for average.

Particularly concerning is Barkley, who I've defended throughout but he now looks like a player who has given up chasing lost causes because he found one. Where are the runs ahead of Rom, with or without the ball? What's happened to the Ross that went past players with ease?

Koeman has got his work cut out because nothing seems to be working offensively.

There was an instance last night when we broke in the end half when it was 5 against 3, the ball broke to Cleverley and he stopped and went backwards Result: the move broke down and :Palace regrouped

That was him all night. The lad hasn't got a forward thinking nerve in his body and it looks like he's conned another manager. What really annoys me is him getting game time over the likes of Davies and other talented kids at the club. Believe me, while we've got the likes of him and his ilk at our club we are in for a long hard season.

Yes, we've got 14 points from 7 games but haven't put a 90-minute performance in all season The striker issue is another bugbear – no half-decent striker is going to sign for us while he's got no chance of game time while Lukaku is around The alternatives, Kone, Valencia... say no more.

A long season ahead but nothing more than I expected. A massive job on his hands; let's just hope he can turn this mini-slump around... He's getting paid enough!

The game has changed... watch Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City, it's high tempo football, pressing and athleticism. Gareth Barry and Ross Barkley do not fill that mould; no wonder we have to play Cleverley instead of Mirallas to stop the midfield being overrun.

Unless we buy players in January, Lukaku will be off next season to score plenty of goals with assists from top midfielders like Ozil and Courtino!

The defence were sitting too deep and the gap grew too large between them and Lukaku up top. He is starved of the ball and no-one but Coleman and on occasion Bolasie had the gas to help him.

I think that Koeman should have seen early on that we did not need the four across the back, especially with Barry and Gana sitting so deep. I would have liked him to go to a back three and put Valencia up near Rom, who had two or more defenders on his every move.

Bolasie leaves me cold. He seems no more consistent than Lennon or Deulofeu; if I had to choose one of them, I find Deulofeu more capable of linking up with Lukaku.

I thought all of our side tried hard, but some of the chasing down that Koeman asked for, was not carried out by Bolasie or Lukaku to the extent of others. Barkley seemed to take it on board.

Of course, there is nothing more galling (even at my 5-side level) than when you bust a gut to close a man down only to look over and see him pass to his mate who has not been closed by your team mate. It has to be a collective action.

The sterility of our play is worrying. There were moments of lovely passing with just the end product missing. At least we look a tighter unit. Rome wasn't built in a day, but oh for a Juan Mata!

Looking at the stats, Ross isn't at his best, but he's still outdoing Mirallas, Deulofeu, Bolasie, Cleverley and Co in terms of assists and goals. If he was to play out this season in the manner he played last season in, then he would hit double figures again. I'd bet that Ross's double-figured goal tally would surpass the combined efforts of Cleverley, Barry, Gana, Gibson, Besic, and Deulofeu all by himself.

We seem to think that, because Ross isn't the world beater we wanted him to be, then he's just shit. Why no middle ground?

Are the likes of Deli Ali, Payet, Erickson, Courtinho, Hazard, William, Rooney, Sigurdsson, Widjaldum, Marcel, and so on doing any more than Ross? My answer is no, but their fans still support them, they still know that they have done it before so they can do it again.

If Ross isn't the play maker we desire, then fair enough, we may need to cash in and mix it up. But first we should move Cleverley, Deulofeu, Kone, Niasse, Valencia, Besic, Oviedo, Lennon, and Gibson on as they offer much less than Ross, week after week, month after month.

I simply can't understand why on earth we choose to pick on Ross. People claim he should be dropped, so okay, let's drop him. Who should replace him? Deulofeu who can't seem to affect a cup game when given a chance v Norwich! Cleverley, Kone or Lennon who have proven to be bang average at best there whole career! Gibson, the one-game-a-season man! Maybe Dowell or Davies as they're the new blue eyes, but they still have a lot to prove.

Imo, Ross is not the problem, Ross is the solution. Get him performing and Everton are a much better side for it. I'd say we own 3 players capable of double figures: Ross, Rom and Kev. All of them need to play most of the time if we are to do anything this season.

Williams Captain and new central defensive pairing; we also must make a place for Holgate.

I don't understand Cleverley's or Barkley's place in team at the moment – both have no form.

I would suggest that you need to catch yourself on regards Ross Barkley and your 'scapegoat' remarks. What has Ross Barkley done in 5 seasons bar the odd brilliant goal – which EVERY player is capable of, by the way.

The criticism from people like me regards Ross is he just doesn't seem to be learning his trade – it's not personal.

Even those who really rate him and so wish him to do well (as I do, and they know more about football than you or I) are now beginning to have their doubts.

He's had three seasons (not including him finding his feet after his broken leg) to show he is capable of leading our team. It's one thing having great feet, it's quite another in knowing how to use them. His decision-making is simply awful most of the time and it appears he just doesn't see things like the "great" footballers do.

Barkley is not alone; Mirallas is another whose time is up at Everton. Deulofeu and Jagielka are others, in my opinion. Both fullback positions and a goalkeeper also need to sorted.

We need players who can do the business week in week out, not choose which week they want to play and still pick up their massive wages... Most fans just want to see Everton players giving their all for the shirt you know – that would be a start.

I predict this season is Ross Barkley's last chance at Everton as a nailed-on starter. We have zero creativity in our midfield for far too long – if I was Koeman I would be moving heaven and earth to sign a player like Mata or Fabregas – whatever it takes if they were available. If he doesn't address this, we will be going nowhere.

Rant over...

It'll be to Koeman's eternal credit if he turns Barkley's potential into the player we all wished for but at the moment the lad looks confused and a little intimidated. I think it's his personality but he's worth his place ahead of the tripe elsewhere on our books.

He has also inherited a team whose forwards (Lukaku apart) don't score enough goals between them. He also said after signing Bolaise that he would have to up his goal tally of 9 goals in 3 seasons.

So I am sure he is well aware of where we need to improve collectively as a team, and I am sure he and Steve Walsh will be identifying players needed to make the changes he wants. Let's not forget, he took over a team who had finished in the bottom half for the last 2 seasons.

I have also said on other threads that Klopp had virtually a whole season to change them into a high-energy pressing team and, while making the changes, failed to qualify for a Europa League place. So, when judging Koeman, let's remember that it will take time for him to get it right – but I have every confidence that he will. Mourhino has already lost 3 on the bounce and Chelsea under Conte are not yet setting the world alight. And they took over better squads of players than Koeman took over at Everton.

Offensively we were poor with the final ball lacking. We need to give Lukaku more support and generate more creativity from the midfield. I can't see that the January transfer window will help us bring in any decent personnel but we will see.

Koeman is a good manager and he will turn us into a great team but it will take time – patience.

This season we'll do well to qualify for anything. We need other players worthy of the money they're paid and time for them to bed in. It's the same at every club.

Let's be patient with the new regime.

Sure, Koeman should have plenty more time but unconvincing performances against Norwich, Bournemouth and Palace speak for themselves of where we are at.

A bit insipid right now.

I agree that moving forward (ie, next summer) we will replace Jags and make Williams captain. A winger will come in for Mirallas. Another midfielder will come in for Barry. Cover for Lukaku (and if he leaves, a proper replacement). Then we'll be a real force. For all his faults, I think we need to hang on to Lukaku – if only because it is hard to attract a similar quality replacement without Champions League football.

But that's for the future. For this season, it is what it is. It's a long season. We've got points on the board and confidence in the manager. Top 6 is entirely possible. Top 4 is not impossible. COYB

The Delle Alli loving media are all over him, Jamie the dog Carragher is on his case and the Sky darlings are all saying he has to go to one of their Sky 4 to progress.

This is all having an impact on the lad and he really needs our encouragement and support to get his confidence back.

I was hoping that Mo Besic was the answer but he has a major injury to overcome. Mind you, regardless how anyone rates Brian Oviedo, he has shown that it can be done. That lad has got a big heart.

Now they are great characteristics for a player to possess, but do they trump Creativity and Vision? I guess it depends how you intend to play.

The Bournemouth game worried me because Koeman's solution to our terrible first half was to do exactly the same but at a busier pace, replacing players like-for-like as they tired. IMO our set-up was all wrong and gave their midfield ample time to control the game and pull the strings. We failed to recognise that and make adjustments, hence the easy win for them. Second half vs Palace was the same deal.

Despite (deserved) early season plaudits for some astute formarional shifts and decisive substitutions, I'm afraid it's looking like Koeman is in thrall to his tactical dogma of the high tempo pressing game, which is the latest flavour of the month in football. Now if that's his approach, then fine... but there has to be a Plan B, maybe even a Plan C.