Fireworks are all Chelsea's as Everton are destroyed at Stamford Bridge

Koeman is really starting to piss me off. I have been biting my lip so far because I'm aware that I upset a lot of people by heavily criticising Martinez, without "giving him a chance", but how long have we got?

There's more than a hint of Davey Moyes about him. He seems to think he is doing us a favour by gracing us with is presence. Like Moyes, he won't admit he got it wrong. Like Moyes, he isn't shy about blaming the players... and like Moyes, he is a proper Frankie Howard.

Look, I know more measured posters like Patrick Murphy are putting up intelligent, well thought-out reasons as to why we are where we are and they are right, of course, but Koeman needs to do a lot more to convince me he isn't just here for the £20m quid Moshiri enticed him with.

I felt slightly insulted when Koeman first arrived telling the world he knew we as a crowd like to see our team get the ball forward early, it was as if he was coming to some sort of footballing back water where the locals didn't quite understand the game's finer points. It was as if he had just signed for Stoke.

I get the arguments blaming the board and years of stagnation; I get the argument about attracting top players, I even get the argument that some of our so-called stars are simply not good enough... but at what point does the manager have to start earning the ridiculous staggering amount of money he is being paid?

When the team was announced and we were informed Oviedo was being asked to play wing back, my mate's 12-year-old grandson looked up from his phone and said "How can he possibly cope?" Everyone agreed.

Oviedo has improved recently against easier opposition, but he no longer has the athleticism to cope with such a demanding role. He looked as if he was standing between railway lines and high speed trains were screaming past him... he had to come off – Koeman's fault.

Williams and Jagielka have been playing as two for weeks then, all of a sudden, they have Funes Mori thrown into their space and all three spent the evening wondering whether to stick or twist... they were run ragged – Koeman's fault.

Holgate was a revelation earlier in the season and was looking the part... but we haven't seen him since, despite some really ropey performances by everyone of the back four – Koeman's fault.

I don't buy this bollocks about "the system not being the problem" – it was certainly one of them, especially when we did not use the correct players to make it work. He may have a whole list of ready-made excuses, but he still gets a big fat Zero from me; he whines about the difference in quality on the pitch and there was, but he needs to think about the difference in quality in the dugout too.

No team should ever be so comprehensively outplayed for the entire match by a team in the same league.

Unacceptable, totally unacceptable.

Each of these 7 commentators raved on about the enormous amount of hard work Chelsea have lately been doing at training.

Judging by all reports, including this excellent version by your good self, Lyndon, it seems our mob of incompetents were badly lacking not only in individual skill but also physically.

We must grudgingly accept the former but there is absolutely no excuse on lack of fitness or fight, nor indeed absurd and totally negative tactics.

For more than a decade, we have created millionaires out of mediocre managers. I sincerely hope we are not seeing another of that type.

One thing: suggesting "Koeman will have learnt" from this calamity is letting him off the hook slightly, with all his experience, it shouldn't be happening in the first place.

The summer told us we needed a lot of new players, and this result proves it again. If you want a realistic tilt at top 4 and winning at these away grounds, then 4 or 5 of those played just don't feature at all. Hope Moyes sticks around to buy some of them...

This squad is not fit for purpose and we need to exit 8 or more over the next 2 windows to change the squad. I posted a few weeks ago that we were bottom 5 for work rate in the Premier League which is shameful.

It is actually easier to list who I would definitely retain: Holgate, Williams, Gana, Galloway, Bolasie (yesterday's horror show excepted), Davies, Galloway, Dowell, Barkely (maybe) and Lukaku (fat chance). The rest honestly I don't think are fit for the future. With the emphasis on FIT!

As for Mr Moshiri and Mr Koeman, the honeymoon's over.

See you at St Mary's.

Did he really say Chelsea were too good for Everton? What happened to us, Ron!

£20mil stepping stone...

"It is a difficult system to play against, the big difference with Chelsea is they have that winning mentality and, of course, the quality on the ball. They were too strong for Everton."

Notice the "for Everton"? It might just be a slip of the tongue, a 'Lost in Translation' moment but I can't help but feel like there is no emotional buy-in from our new manager.

I know some people will say he is a professional and is there to do a job and... blah blah. But you NEED emotional buy-in, it's infectious, it will cascade into the players' mentality.

Sorry to swear but look at Klopp – he is literally one of them; look at Conte – he lives every moment on the pitch. You need this from your leader and I'm not feeling it.

I'm losing confidence that this was just not a bad day at the office. I don't really see any improvement over last season in this game; sadly, defensively we seem to be going backwards.

I'm not sure I am hearing the right noises coming from our leaders. We should have given the job to Unsworth. The last game of last season against Norwich was a breath of fresh air. Baffles me that Koeman gives Davies his first appearance after 10 games.

My attention is drawn to the missing first-choice goalie, striking alternative and playmaker every single person connected to the club knew we needed this summer.

I will give them (Koeman, Walsh and whoever holds the purse strings now, it's beginning to seem unclear) until January to rectify this – after which point, I'll personally lower my expectations and accept we're just here to make up the numbers and maybe finish "best of the rest" in good years.

Pretty concerning that some or all of the above thought that Sissoko at any price – never mind 㿊m – was good business. Doesn't bode well for future transfer dealings at all.

No team serious about competing at the top would go another window without dealing with these glaring inadequacies. I don't care if it's hard to buy players in January, just do it.

The players themselves will have had their confidence hammered after that game and will hopefully stop thinking they're God's gift to football and start working their asses off the rest of the season.

The curious thing for me is that we started the season full of energy, pressing the ball, tight defensively and hard to beat. All of that disappeared yesterday, which highlighted the fact that we've offered little going forward all season.

The glass half full side of me is hoping this is a wake up call for Koeman to decide once and for all how to use these players and for those running the club to bring some new faces and momentum.

The "glass half-empty" side of me is thinking that, like Martinez after his first season, Koeman isn't happy with what he's got and is shuffling them around, desperate to land on a winning formula.

Yesterday, and to a lesser extent in recent games, I've noticed a return to the lethargy and lack of responsibility from last season. It's as if the new manager novelty has worn off and they've gone back to their traditional lack of guts, nous and character.

I've learned not to rely on these players. I'm looking to Koeman to justify the salary and hype to get more out of them.

The manager will earn his corn only if he can organise – and energise – this very average group of players to play above themselves.

Signing Man Utd's ageing casts-off should no longer be part of the script.

The amount of possession Chelsea got from our misplaced passes and hoofball was depressing. Barry had a shocker and the rest of the midfield were anonymous because the ball was over their head for most of the game.

Yes probably, even if he got the team to play football, we would still have lost... but I don't think we would have made it quite as easy for Chelsea and we would have made a game of it.

I am a Season Ticket Holder, been going since 1958-59. I still go every home game and many away games. I've seen it all before... but I am feeling more despondent than I can ever recall. Maybe it's age.

I would welcome a clear-out this week and young players given until January to give it a go. And I would tell both them and the older players exactly why. 4 or 5 regular players every week just not good enough but know they will play next game.

Sort it out NOW and I am sure, like me, most fans will be behind the Manager.

But I sense that floating around 'do nothing' feeling that was around at the Club for 4 or 5 if not more years of the end of Moyes's tenure. Just do nothing and see what happens.

God Bless Evertonians, everyone of them, said Tiny Tim.

And it's obvious the players weren't ready for the commitment required. Barry and Coleman were totally unfocused – Barry's first, routine pass of the game was four yards off target and went straight to a Chelsea player – and Barkley and Rom couldn't keep the ball for more than a few seconds.

Losing to a team in rampant form is tolerable. Being utterly humiliated is not. Without a true #10 and some new speed at the back, this team is going nowhere. And having the manager mirror the opponent isn't going to help.

1. We could have used Big Vic yesterday.

2. We have no 'warchest' of money, 𧴜m+ from BT and Sky, is the 'warchest' – not Moshiri.

3. Playing five at the back was never going to win us the game.

4. I'd rather get hammered utilising our youth team more than we are doing.

5. Stekelenburg has had a few bad games now, perhaps we can change – although I do like him.

6. Koeman has not made us a better team at all.

7. Why is Barkley looking to be bang average these days? – The lad could win us a game on his own.

8. Lukaku is a lauded inconsistent show pony.

Hard to see this squad finishing higher than where it is now. I've been comforting myself with the fact that we're 6th without playing well. I'm now starting to wonder when we're actually going to start playing well! And I'm an optimist!

I think we're justified in expecting more in terms of forward play and entertainment from the team, decision-making and man-management from the manager and some genuine necessary investment from the 'major shareholder'.

Not holding my breath.

Secondly, as another poster pointed out, that at this level a team doesn't get thrashed by another unless one team turns up and the other one doesn't, and that's proved to be true time and time again. How many times have you seen a team doomed to be relegated packed full of journeyman players respond to a Pulis or a big Sam and roll their collective sleeves up and battle and scrap for every ball? Okay, they may lose more than they win, and when they win, it's ugly, but what you rarely see is the tonking we witnessed yesterday of a team packed with internationals.

The one thing that Koeman commented on in his post match was the work rate of Chelsea, and our work rate, or lack of, needs to be addressed ASAP. Because I haven't seen any successful side in any era that didn't have it in spade loads – even all the 'Fancy Dan' sides... Barca, Man Utd in the '90s. And the way Chelsea tore into us even with 10 minutes to go, closing down, harrying.... Just watch the work the 'luxury' players like Pedro, Hazard and Moses got through.

That's why I worry about Ross; his work rate is zero and he wanders around with that infuriating, 5 steps, check, lay-off a 5-yard pass. Where is his professional pride, when he sees his counterparts Hazard and Pedro turning and weaving and taking defenders on and closing players down to get the ball back; where is his anger? Okay, he's not playing well but close the ball down, leave a foot in, grapple for the ball using his body strength; in short, the basics of football.

I don't want to single out Ross, because everyone was equally as shite: I think we've got the players but, as it used to say in your school report; more effort needed.

Funny how he's somehow managed the apparently daunting task of getting that set of players to play in his style in his first year. Same players as last year with a couple of exceptions, yet those same players that looked lost last season are now thriving.

It's not the fact that we are miles apart on the pitch which has hurt us, it's the fact that we are and have been miles apart off it which is the cause of the difference in expectations of both sets of fans.

They have a net spend since the Premier League started in excess of 𧸗m compared to Everton's net spend of circa 㿿m that is a difference of some 𧷃m which equates to about 㾶m higher spend for each and every year of the Premier League. I don't have the data to hand in relation to wages but we can assume that their wage bill over the years dwarves ours.

On the pitch they have amassed 1627 points compared to Everton's 1281. Their average finishing position is circa 5th place Everton's is 10th. The average difference in points is minus 13 per season. Only 3 times since the Premier League began have Everton finished higher than the neighbours and only by a few points difference and only a place higher than them.

It could be argued that Everton have had a bigger bang for their buck, but it sure doesn't feel like it, does it? Also we have one FA Cup win and they have had numerous successes in the cups both domestically and in Europe.

I pray to god that we have already played the Champions this season as the idea that they might just run away with it is vomit-inducing. Never mind... Swansea up next – and a fortnight to forget all about this horrible, horrible bonfire weekend.

I have been saying the same for a while now. He is trying to implement a system which is unsuited to the players because they were selected by Martinez to play a possession game not a pressing game.

We probably have only Gana and McCarthy suited to pressing and the latter is permanently injured. The only personnel who can do this are youngsters who Ron seems unwilling to play so we are in limbo unless he gets a huge warchest in January.

Unfortunately, our players also mutinied under a manager who had lost the plot last season. I'm wondering whether the same thing is happening right now.

I hope things change for Koeman as quickly as they did for Conte.

Conte inherited a group of players who had lost their way completely. Some of them looked finished; some on their way. They even looked dodgy at the start of this season, but he has galvanised them, changed the formation and the attitude. He has them playing dazzling football. He should be given credit for that.

Koeman hasn't earned any credit yet. When he does, I'll be the first in line.

I'm proper worried by what I've seen so far...

If Koeman is going to make a difference, he has to bring in some of the youth and replace the has-beens like Jags, Barry, Cleverley, etc who haven't got a clue what to do when faced with pace and accuracy.

Tom Davies looked more up for a fight than the rest of the team put together and I'm sure some of the other youngsters would relish the chance to show their 'mentors' up on the park.

If Koeman does not make changes for the Swansea game, I'll be worried. I am hoping that the Chelsea result will be a wake-up call to Koeman that massive changes need to be made; we will see if he has the balls to do it.

We have a manager who needs to reflect on what style might suit his playing squad, as distinct from the style that he wants to play which our squad can't manage to achieve.

A conundrum, but one a good manager would solve; a bad manager would continue to repeat... Einstein's dictum of insanity and repeat the process, but expect a different outcome.

Koeman is beginning to look like a muddler.

We played this group of players three times last season. We twatted them twice and only a desperately poor last minute decision robbed us of victory in the other game.

Its got nothing to do with money. Any team worth its salt will run riot if they are afforded the sort of time, space and deference we meekly surrendered to Chelsea yesterday.

Please. Enough of the money excuses. Leicester have unceremoniously buried that forever

I didn't expect a win yesterday, I'd've been delighted with a point. I knew it was a tough ask to get a win... but to get beat 5-0 which could have been worse.

To have one shot and none on target. To do none of the basics of football, like close down, work hard, defend from the front, defend set-pieces well, mark your man, Well words fail me. It was completely unacceptable.

What Conte has done that Koeman hasn't done yet, is get them organised and motivated with a style of play they are easily able to understand. While it's easy to say Conte has better players, it's just as easy to say that our players look confused and that Koeman hasn't shown us any coherent pattern of play.

My jury's out so far. The last few weeks have worried me. The players have gone from organised to a shambles and yesterday's attitude took me back to last season.

I don't know whether our players are as bad as they looked yesterday or if they are trying the same trick as the Chelsea team last season. "You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink" – would seem to be apt for this group of lads.

We'll see how they react in a couple of weeks time but I suspect nothing much will change and, even if it does, they'll probably revert to type very quickly. The money element of the game can't be totally ignored but you get the feeling that our lads think they are doing us all a favour by representing the club for comparatively lower wages than those who represent the monied clubs.

If the fans at Goodison show their displeasure at an individual or team performance, they are portrayed as being too aggressive or expecting too much, so mostly the fans sit passively waiting for their team to start playing – which usually happens at some point in the second-half... or if (or when) they fall behind.

Perhaps Everton FC should implement a recruitment policy that restricts the squad to players and management from within the Merseyside region and forget all about trying to compete with the other Premier League teams for foreign-based mercenaries. That would probably end up with us relegated at some point but would we all be happier? What we have witnessed yesterday and on too many other occasions in the recent past hasn't made us very happy either and, if truth be told, probably for 70% of the Premier League era, we haven't been very happy with the results or the performances of the team or the manager(s).

I must admit I was shocked when I calculated that in order for one season ticket holder to pay Kevin Mirallas's wage for one week, it would mean they would have to renew their ticket for 73 years on the trot at 𧾦 a pop – is it time for us all to start watching pub teams on a Sunday morning? That would seem far more fun than watching these overpaid, lazy, mercenaries who forget what it is they are being paid to do – that includes the management staff too, btw.

I'll be up there with son and grandson for the Swansea game and we usually spend at least a three-figure sum in the Everton shop. As attenders, we are almost totally irrelevant.

After the Chelsea game, it shows what a parlous state the club is in; it's very difficult not to become despondent.

Koeman is the same manager that took Southampton to two top 6 finishes in the last two seasons, so he presumably has some grasp of the game. Granted he has ballsed-up a few times since the season started, but if Jesus was our manager, he couldn't get our 'wonder boys' to win anything.

The League is reverting to type after last season's Leicester 'miracle'; unless we can sign players of the quality that the usual suspects have, we are never going to get out of this 6th-to-11th rut.

It's not going to happen, though, is it, chaps!

His Southampton side last season had plenty of pace and energy, so he knows what we need, but it will take loads of money to sort it out. Over to you, Steve Walsh.

As for that 'performance' yesterday... It was almost 'Martinezque' in its ineptitude.

Once that first goal went in, you knew it was game over. No passion, no idea, totally clueless, we couldn't put two passes together, couldn't put a tackle in. Heads down, no-one looking arsed at all.

Jags has been great for us, but this season he has been all over the place. Bolasie offered nothing, as my mate says, he's a 'Match of the Day' player, looks great in the 5 minutes highlights on a Saturday night. Lukaku just didn't look interested at all, you would think he above all would be up for it against his old club.

What goes on at Finch Farm during the week? It looks like not a lot on that 'performance'. Why was Lukaku marking Costa at corners? Surely that should be the job of Ashley Williams?

Shameful. Chelsea could have had double figures. It was like watching the Under-10s try and play against Chelsea! In fact the Under-10s would have probably shown more passion.

The only player who could say he did 'okay' was young Tom Davies; no blame attached to him at all. All the others should be ashamed to pick up their wages this week. I would pick the kids for the next game against Swansea.

Heading back into Central London on the tube, I was listening to the Chelsea fans talking and they couldn't believe how poor we were, everyone of them was expecting a tough game.

The January window can't come too soon! But, will the board and management have the balls to go the extra mile?

Who dreads playing Everton? No-one, I would guess. Nice bunch of lads, easy to referee, handshakes all round. Was there an angry man on the pitch yesterday in a blue yellow shirt? Not a petulant, hands-on-hips sulking brat, but an embarrassed, ready to vomit, fucking fuming man?

This week, one of the usual suspects will be wheeled out to deliver the usual sad, inept, toe-curling platitudes. Who will tell the truth?

We might well need a playmaker but we need someone more important, not a cheat or a diver but a player who scares not just the opposition but his teammates. There are not many players like Roy Keane around but surely our management can find someone who is not a frightened rabbit?

Williams, three years ago, was a good central defender whose lack of pace was hidden by his clever reading of the game... but that was three years ago. I'm sure the left-sided Ben Mee would have been a better acquisition.

Similarly Bolasie, is he better than Mirallas, Lennon or the now despised Deulofeu? I'm not sure.

Gueye looks better than McCarthy certainly, but Koeman is trying to play a style of football that doesn't suit the age-profile or style of our players and that is the heart of the problem.

In theory, we could clear out, but it'll cost a bomb with modern contracts and where are the better players who are queuing up to come to Everton? Koeman has to evolve his pressing game as it doesn't and won't work with our squad.

Gueye is our Player of the Season so far and was really missed. Replacing him with a lighweight midfielder in Cleverley surrenders the battle in the middle of the park which invariably means the loss of the game.

We need our DoF to bring in players with hunger and desire in January. I am fed up of watching players who can't be arsed putting any effort in defensively. The following are a liability in our own half: Deulofeu, Mirallas, Barkley, Bolasie & Cleverley.

Playing 3 at the back (or 5 at the back as some say) never works. Changing the team's formation before playing a big game is usually disastrous. Our forward line is stagnant. There is no movement, no closing defenders down, no effort.

We need to press the opposition hard when they have the ball, but we don't have forwards who are prepared to do that, apart from Barkley. The manager from across the park knew this, got rid of their costly centre forward, now has nippy forwards who are prepared to work to gain possession and hasn't looked back.

So we need a manager who will play 4-4-2, keep a settled team and use players who are willing to run and work hard for 90 minutes. Quite simple really.

They say it is the hope that kills you, supporting the Blues, but I am beginning to despair because we do not seem to be making any real progress. here are so many questions and I must admit I am not sure of the answers to any of them.

Some fans are beginning to question Koeman already. Have Everton made a mistake in appointing him? I don't think so but it worries me that fans are not expecting him to be staying beyond three years. It doesn't send out positive vibes, does it? It will take. the full three years to begin to turn the club into serious contenders for a top four place.

At present, we are very ordinary. A mid-table sort of club. How many of the present squad can contribute to successfully achieving a top four finish? I would suggest Funes Mori (if surrounded by top class defenders), Lukaku (who will not stay beyond this season), and Gueye.

Coleman? I don't think is reliable enough at the top level. Baines? Possibly... but seems increasingly injury prone. Williams? He could help over next two seasons but age is catching up with him as it as done with Jagielka and Barry.

That leaves Bolasie and Barkley. Bolasie can be a threat with his pace and skill but he has a lot to learn as a team player and at 28 should be learning pretty quickly. Barkley? No doubt about his basic skills but it seems to be taking an age for him to harness his ability for the benefit of the team. We need to be patient with him. I fear him leaving and then flourishing at another club. Remember McNaught, McMahon, Johnson... ? They all went on to win titles elsewhere after being allowed to leave when still maturing.

As for Deulofeu, Mirallas, Cleverley, Stekelenburg, Kone, Lennon, Oviedo... I am afraid they are not capable of contributing enough at the highest level. I would give Besic and McCarthy more time because both have suffered from injuries.

That leaves the youngsters... at the moment, Holgate, Davies and Kenny look very promising. Perhaps we should give them more responsibility in the near future.

Another worry after being annihilated by Chelsea. That is three disgraceful abject performances this year ... Liverpool, Sunderland, and now Chelsea. Koeman has been saying all season about the need to play with commitment and intensity. But so many don't do that. That means we are talking about attitude or, in our case, poor attitude.

Let us be clear about this. After Martinez had been sacked, comments from player after player revealed that they had lost faith in him and the result was they literally stopped playing for him. My question... same players, same attitude, same performances, same disgraceful results? Even though the manager has been changed.

Is it just a coincidence that we looked dreadful defensively in midfield and Gueye was missing for this game? I think the scoreline may have been more respectable had he played. How many Ganas can we buy at Christmas time?

I couldn't bear to read the Cleverley shite. I suspect it is the same hands up, utter shite, that this embarrassing bunch of spineless soft boys have spouted for years.

We need to defend from the front and not let the opposition settle. This will help the midfield and defence no end. The flair players have been getting away with murder for 4 years. If they won't put a shift in get rid.

This club has stagnated since the mid-eighties and there are no signs that anything is about to change. Saturday's performance was worse than anything even Martinez presided over.

Let's face it, this club has not even threatened to compete as a Premier League force since its inception; we're there to make up the numbers. The top teams count on the likes of us (with the exception of an odd surprise) to provide them with the usual six points they've come to rely on to mount their title bids.

We're paying out huge amounts of money on players who are past their best or whose best would never be good enough for the top teams.

Everton are looked upon as nothing more than a mid-table team who, when the stakes are raised, just roll over and die. The sad truth is even clubs like Bournemouth, Burnley, Palace and the ilk are confident of picking up much-needed points to help with their relegation fights.

Still, not to worry, just wait 'till the January transfer window and all these top players who can't wait to sign for us will come flooding in and all will be well.