Blues thwarted by Espanyol at every turn

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Everton 0 -1 RCD Espanyol
The final warm-up game of the pre-season programme saw Everton struggle at home to La Liga side, Espanyol, after new-boy Gana gave away an early penalty.

Ronald Koeman put his players through their paces on the pitch for the final time before the 2016-17 Premier League season kicks off next weekend and the home faithful were looking for signs of a more settled, purposeful side after two defeats in Dresden and an uneventful goalless draw against Manchester United on Wednesday.

Idrissa Gueye got his first outing in a Royal Blue jersey following his arrival from Aston Villa earlier this week but Muhamed Besic was, of course, ruled out through injury, as were Matty Pennington and Darron Gibson.

Phil Jagielka, having recovered from a hamstring problem, played the second half but there was no opportunity for Shani Tarashaj, who is fit again.

“Phil will be part of the squad,” Koeman said. “Finally he is back and if you lose a period of your pre-season it makes it really tough to come back because it is a really important part of the season. It is in this period where you build your physical level.”

The manager announced a reasonably strong starting line-up for today's game, featuring both John Stones and Romelu Lukaku. Everton began brightly, moving the ball around well, but Stones was required to defend by booting the ball out. But Espanyol gave as good, drawing a few early free-kicks applying some pressure. Gueye challenged sloppily on the corner off the Everton area and took out Duarte, who needed a lot of treatment, with Michael Oliver immediately signalling a penalty that Baptistao converted easily.

Everton got a corner that Stones headed over. Everton looked to build from the back but Gana lost possession and another quick attack saw Baptistao lash a good shot goalwards that forced a tremendous save from Maarten Stekelenburg.

A better spell of play involved Deulofeu and Gueye down the right that won a corner, flicked on by Barkley to Funes Mori coming in late at the back post but he could not convert. Gueye then ran himself into trouble rather needlessly. A good play saw the ball laid in nicely fro Lukaku but he had his back to goal and an attentive marker. Then he dug out a good strike that needed a fine save by Jimenez to keep it out.

Gonzalez evaded the Everton markers to fire in a good volley off a corner that flew just wide. Everton attacked with pace but a good move broke down again with loose play from Gana.

A superb interception by Stones prevented a cross at the expense of a corner that saw a push on Baines and a free header that Mirallas had to clear off the line. Mirallas then almost caught out the Espanyol keeper on a backpass.

Espanyol were giving the Blues a good test, with plenty of competition for the ball and rather too effective marking to deny Blues space. Coleman and Mirallas were trying to work the flanks but with little to show for it. The game in general was very tight, with plenty of turnovers as players were caught in possession, the passing too intricate at times.

A good Mirallas delivery from a free-kick won another corner, but the aerial defence of Espanyol held firm again. But a better spell of play saw pressure applied and Deulofeu was fouled for a penalty that Barkley fired in well enough but Himenez batted it away.

Clever play by the visitors draw some frustrated fouls, especially by Funes Mori on Duarte, earning him a yellow card just before the break.

Phil Jagielka replaced Ramiro Funes Mori for the second half. But the Blues continued to struggle to make much headway although Barkley delivered a fantastic ball perfectly weighted for Lukaku but, as ever, his first touch was indescribably poor and a golden chance was gone.

Barkley was fouled and from the free-kick Baines curled in, both Barry and Barkley went for it and were flagged offside. Stones then gave away a horribly underhit pass, ending in a corner that Lukaku headed away. Mirallas had to track his man back and gave away another corner, defended away.

A nicely played short corner looked to give better penetration but the final ball again was too cheaply intercepted. Mirallas stole a yard too turn and shoot but the angle was too fine and it eneded up more like a cross to no-one. The quality of the passing was still causing concern as Ronald Koeman rang a slew of changes just after the hour mark.

Lennon clipped a nice ball for Mirallas at the far post but it was intercepted by a defender. The game continued to be extremely tight with Espanyol effectively denying space and time on the ball for the Blues. Towards the end, the Spanish players were in complete control, almost toying with the increasingly frustrated Blues players who were being overshadowed and made to chase the ball down endless rabbit holes .

By the end, it looked like the Everton of last season when the Blues did finally get the ball, with hopeless sideways passing across the back until Baines eventually made a run and was fouled on the edge of the Espanyol area. Mirallas drove it low and an Everton boot deflected it behind for a goal kick.

It proved to be a difficult and ultimately frustrating final game of pre-season, with plenty of things for manager Ronald Koeman to work on during the week as he seeks to find the right blend and have them playing a system that is within their presently limited capacity as the big Premier League season kick-off rapidly approaches.

Everton: Stekelenburg, Baines, Stones (63' Holgate), Coleman, Funes Mori [Y:44'](46' Jagielka), Barkley, Gana (70' Davies), Barry (63' McCarthy), Deulofeu (63' Lennon), Lukaku (63' Kone), Mirallas.
Subs not Used: Robles, Oviedo, Cleverley, Galloway, Tarashaj.

Espanyol: Jimenez, Lopez, Duarte, Sanchez, Duarte, Gonzalez, Perez (59' Reyes), Piatti (73' Caricol), Baptistao (63' Caicedo), Diop (76' Roca), Moreno.
Subs not Used: Clerc, Priesto, Sevilla, Ciani, Roca, Jurardo, Oviedo, Alvarez, Fernandez, Arbilla, Lopez, Lopez, Dalmau.

Referee: Michael Oliver


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Martin Nicholls
1 Posted 06/08/2016 at 07:41:51
Gibson injured? Now there's a surprise!
Barrie Abbott
2 Posted 06/08/2016 at 07:43:35
Does Dolly Parton sleep on her back?
Do bears crap in the woods?
Is the Pope a Catholic?
Is Darron Gibson injured?
Chris James
3 Posted 06/08/2016 at 07:44:51
Gibson injured? Lucky we secured him to a new contract!
Nev Renshaw
5 Posted 06/08/2016 at 07:54:43
Why is Gibson still at GP. He's just a serial crock.
Mike Allison
6 Posted 06/08/2016 at 08:25:12
One of the games in Dresden was a draw.
Chris Gould
7 Posted 06/08/2016 at 08:25:43
Bloody good thing Jags is back. Would love to see him and Williams starting against Spurs. Jags has come back from layoffs before and fitted straight back in without any fitness/form issues. He is a true professional and will hopefully be fine for the Spurs match. Alongside Williams, I really believe they could be the most efficient and effective partnership in the league.
Spurs seem to have found their feet quickly and are banging in the goals pre-season. We could really do with a good win today to boost the confidence.
Paul Hughes
8 Posted 06/08/2016 at 08:34:52
Gibson injured! When did that happen? Has he celebrated completing a whole 30 minutes of action by crashing into another petrol pump?
John Hall
10 Posted 06/08/2016 at 08:48:20
We seem to be getting more deрleted with every game! Let's hoрe we have enough рlayers to give Sрurs a game of it next week.
Mark Andrews
11 Posted 06/08/2016 at 10:10:56
Gibson Injured. Is that his name?!
Phil Walling
12 Posted 06/08/2016 at 10:29:03
Perhaps Gibbo is just making sure we don't sell him in the window !
Denis Richardson
13 Posted 06/08/2016 at 10:33:32
Well what a surprise Gibson injured. Couldn't even make it through pre season.

Complete joke giving him a new contract. I hope it's at least on a pay as you play deal.

Besic and Gibson can't be relied upon for a while and Barry's too old to play the RK pressing game. So we only actually have 3 CDMs.

Colin Malone
14 Posted 06/08/2016 at 10:56:19
£20 for a friendly. £10 and £5 for concession would have brought a good crowd. Typical.
Tony Draper
15 Posted 06/08/2016 at 11:00:50
Bloody hell !
So Gibson managed to muster enough strength to hobble through to the moments just before it really counts ?
Uncannily, his wrist held out just long enough to sign for another barrowload of cash.

Local licencees, chemists, barristers and panelbeaters must be fuckin delighted !

Lewis Roll
16 Posted 06/08/2016 at 11:05:43
Does anyone know if there is a chance to stream the game? There doesn't appear to be a link to pay for the game on the homepage...
Paul Conway
17 Posted 06/08/2016 at 11:13:35
Gibson and Besic, injured or not, make up a team of inconsistency.

Normally, I don't want to wish my life away at almost 60 years of age... But oh how I wish the time will pass quick enough, to rid us of these frustrating non-performers.

David Pearl
18 Posted 06/08/2016 at 11:33:30
Good one Phil. That's probably it!
James Marshall
19 Posted 06/08/2016 at 11:52:05
From RK, and I quote.

“Darron Gibson is not fit enough to be part of the team but will be able to train next week.”

No big deal, he's not injured as such, just a minor.

Dave Pritchard
20 Posted 06/08/2016 at 12:08:22
Although an older player than Gibson. Osman was rarely injured and I would have kept him rather than Gibbo as a squad player. I know Gibbo has qualities but if you can't get them on the pitch it is pointless.
Steven Higgott
21 Posted 06/08/2016 at 12:24:28
Let's forget about Darren Gibson and think of the game ahead. Spurs knocked 6 past Inter Milan yesterday and they will be buzzing after that. We need a good and convincing result today to show the fans that, even without transfers, we have got a good team here and when the new signings do come, it will be an excellent team.

Let's be positive – it's a new season starting and a new era.

Ray Said
22 Posted 06/08/2016 at 12:27:37
Gibson now sponsored by the Red Cross.
Gareth Clark
23 Posted 06/08/2016 at 12:35:30
Coleman Stones Funes Mori Baines (c)
Idrissa Davies
Deulofeu Barkley Mirallas

The potential starting team is starting to look a little better on paper!

Keeper (Butland/Forster), Centre Back (Van Dijk/Williams... Maybe both), Midfielder (Witsel), Winger (Ziyech/Frei), Backup Striker (Bony/Iheanacho/Haller) still needed to have a strong squad!

Anthony Dwyer
24 Posted 06/08/2016 at 12:45:04
Gibson and Oviedo should not have been given new deals.

One is injury prone and has gone sidewards all his career, the other isn't good enough to be our first choice left back, or left mid, and in my opinion is holding back the progress of Garbut and Galloway.

It was good for the club to cut some dead wood in Pienaar, Ossie and Hibo, but the other two would really have thinned out the squad.

IMO the games the above players (all 5 of them), have played over recent seasons, hold quality youngsters back.

Damian Wilde
25 Posted 06/08/2016 at 12:59:51
Baines captain (post 23)???? He looks finished.
Jon Withey
26 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:05:23
Harsh on Oviedo - looked good against utd.
James Marshall
27 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:11:36
Oviedo is an average player at best.
Gareth Clark
28 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:13:48
Garbutt > Oviedo... By a long way!
Phil Walling
29 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:32:13
I think Garbutt is available on a free, isn't he ?
Kieran Kinsella
30 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:40:16
Where did you hear that Phil?
Kieran Kinsella
31 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:42:53
Wonder if Danny Williamson still lives in the treatment room. Maybe him and Gibbo are beat mates.
Phil Walling
32 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:46:16
Kieran, My Pie-Eater brother-in-law told me he was at the DW Stadium this week following the news he has been denied a kit number at FF !
Jay Harris
33 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:48:48
Does anyone know if it is on Everton tv live? There appears to be some confusion and the club haven't responded to my email.

Otherwise, any links?

Phil Walling
35 Posted 06/08/2016 at 13:59:27
NO, Jay, you can buy delayed showing from 5:30PM in the UK.
Dominic Tonge
36 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:07:00
It will be on either cricfreetv or eplsite.
All the preseason games so far have had feeds on there
Barry McNally
37 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:08:15
Everton (v @RCDEspanyol) Stekelenburg, Baines, Stones, Coleman, Funes Mori, Barkley, Gana, Barry, Deulofeu, Lukaku, Mirallas. 
Brent Stephens
38 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:16:30
That team smells nice.
Jay Harris
39 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:22:54
Thanks Phil and Dominic.

I don't know why Everton TV is not live though.

Alan Humphreys
40 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:28:47
Stekelenburg would seem to be first choice at present. Not looked too bad from what I've seen.
Alan Humphreys
41 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:32:14
Jay it's live... at Goodison.

Club will be wanting people to attend and pay £20 than £2.99 for a feed.

Jay Harris
42 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:40:47

But what about the millions around the world that can't get to Goodison Park? Multiply that by £2.99 and it will soon compensate.

Watching a stream is not a patch on going to GP but unfortunately I am out of the country.

And they have done it in previous years.

Colin Malone
43 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:43:51
Euro cup tickets where £15. Friendly game £20. TUT TUT TUT.
Alan Humphreys
44 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:48:50
No issue there, Jay. But our commercial dept hardly have good form for such things.
Daniel Joseph
45 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:52:20
Any Kodi links?
Dee Gidwani
46 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:54:26
It's live on Everton TV for people outside of the UK.
Ernie Baywood
47 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:58:29
SportsDevil > FirstRowSports
Michael Lynch
48 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:58:29
This is working:

Mark Gardiner
49 Posted 06/08/2016 at 14:59:41
Doesn't appear to be on Circfree
Mark Gardiner
50 Posted 06/08/2016 at 15:01:25
Tony Sullivan
51 Posted 06/08/2016 at 15:24:51
Who is Gana????
Simon Smith
52 Posted 06/08/2016 at 15:49:21

I was just thinking exactly the same.

Jay Harris
53 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:00:36
Idrissa Gana Gueye, Tony.
Alan J Thompson
54 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:08:40
And next week's penalty taker will be...
Anthony Jones
55 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:19:30
Gueye is on our team? The summary above suggests otherwise!
Michael Lynch
56 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:36:16
Not sure I can tell the difference between Martinez's Everton and Koeman's Everton so far. Early days and all that, but the pre-season has been hugely underwhelming.
Alexander O'Brien
57 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:41:07
Thanks jay. I was about to ask who Gana was!
Anish Dosani
58 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:42:43
Way too many misplaced, underhit passes being played in this match by our boys resulting in undue pressure on us. Need to sort that bad habit out!
Anthony Dwyer
59 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:43:27
Hows the game going lads I've been out with the kids.

Do we look like scoring?

Trevor Lynes
60 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:49:56
Gueye just got subbed. According to the Everton summing up he had an impressive debut which seems to contradict the report on here.

Lukaku limped off, we seem to be dropping like flies.

Michael Lynch
61 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:52:29
The only positive I can think of is that Koeman will come out say we were shite today, whereas Martinez would have told us about the phenomenal energy levels and how many good moments we were in. Other than that, it's the same old same old from last season.
Christy Ring
62 Posted 06/08/2016 at 16:57:54
We need a couple of quality signings this week, another striker especially, to freshen things up, and that's without selling anyone.
Michael Kenrick
63 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:03:36
Trevor, I know I have a critical eye at times, but I thought Idrissa Gana Gueye (along with a few others, to be honest) made a lot of mistakes against a relatively tough opponent. To his credit, the new lad showed no fear, and did not hide from the ball, despite so much going wrong for him.

In that respect, it was a good test, but the skill level, mutual understanding, and team cohesion were miles away, I thought, and the Spaniards really showed us up at times.

Let's see what Big Ron has to say about it...

Mike Powell
64 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:04:25
We will be lucky to finish in top ten, half that team are not good enough.
Gavin Johnson
65 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:05:00
Hope the rumoured Bony, Stones swap comes into fruition. We're woefully short up front.
Peter Morris
66 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:07:22
Two players in the starting eleven who don't even want to play for the team is hardly a great basis for a cohesive team effort is it? Worrying and challenging times ahead from next Saturday onwards, with other clubs apparently fired up and ready to go. We look like we've been treading water at best.
James McPherson
67 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:08:50
It seems for the goodness knows how many times in a row that our "pre season prep" moves into the season proper. It's high water mark was a good 20 minutes v MK Dons.

No acquisitions... unsettled squad... and a manager who will say it as it is, which is refreshing. But, when the positive is your manager saying your crap, things are pretty concerning. Gut feel (no whispers or stories) is that all is not well.

Paul Conway
68 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:11:07
Right now a lot of people have formed an opinion about where we are after pre season and in preparation for the coming season.

IMO, leaving out the RS, Man City and Man Utd, we would be hard pressed to beat any other Lancashire team in the whole Football League!

Jay Harris
69 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:15:49
I was thinking the same, James.

When you've got a bunch of prima donnas having their ego massaged by a bullshitter every week and then someone comes along to tell them how it really is, I suppose the truth hurts.

I thought there were a few good individual performances today but no cohesion or team spirit. Maybe the "new" wage structure and giving a useless lump £125k a week (if true) might have something to do with it too.

Ian Riley
70 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:16:08
Thank God we have one week left!! We are average at best. Four signings needed and quick. Sell Lukaku and Stones and start again.
Ian McDowell
71 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:16:37
What a good side Espanyol are, very organised under a top coach in Sanchez Flores.

One thing is money is not everything in football. I'd love to compare the two wage bills of the teams today. One team looked an organised, cohesive unit with intelligent players who can do the basics, ie, close down, control the ball, pass the ball. The other was Everton.

Huge improvement needed for next week. Enough said.

Brent Stephens
72 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:17:52
That was turgid, again.
Dave Abrahams
73 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:18:52
I never worry about pre season games. Koeman hasn't had any real time to get the squad ready. I will wait until the end of the transfer window to see what the squad looks like then.

I didn't see today's game, but I wouldn't get too upset if I did. Let's be patient, we've had plenty of practice!!!!!

Anthony Dwyer
74 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:21:22
It sounds extremely worrying 🙈
Colin Hughes
75 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:24:31
Just 12,000 at Goodison today compared with 32,000 for the visit of Villarreal a week before last season's opener. Says it all about how the fans feel right now. Whether it be Koeman or Martinez in the hot seat, it won't get the punters through the turnstiles watching the same old shite.
Ian McDowell
76 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:27:09
We always hear about the EPL being the strongest in Europe, that everyone can beat everyone else. Well Espanyol finished 13th in La Liga last season and have come here today and made Everton look like a Championship team in comparison.
Michael Lynch
77 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:29:46
And of course we could well be starting the season with Kone kicking off against Spurs, if Lukaku's crocked. Who would have predicted that, with all our hopes of big name signings under the new owner and manager?
Dave Abrahams
78 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:34:25
Colin. (75) last year it was Duncan Ferguson's benefit game and the return of Wayne Rooney.
Joe Foster
79 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:36:46
The players looked like they needed a rest.
James Watts
80 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:38:09
What did anyone expect? It's virtually the same shite team we had last season with Fulham reserve goalie and a relegated def mid. Completely crap and will not change unless new quality signings are made which beggers belief why they haven't been.
Pete Edwards
81 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:41:14
Phil, I can't see any truth in Garbutt being on a free – didn't he sign a new contract last season?

So, unless the club think he's that bad that we would pay him to leave, I doubt it's true; he'd be worth a couple of million to someone surely.

Ray Jacques
82 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:42:17
I'm concerned. Why do we insist on keeping disgruntled players? If Stones and Lukaku want to leave and we have received good offers, then do the deals and find replacements.

Kone, McCarthy, reliant on Barry, no outfield reinforcements of note. My optimism of a month ago has no eroded and I am back in usual negative mode!

James McPherson
83 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:42:24
Dave (#73),

It's not just you who says this, but what's with this let's see where we are at the end of the window – whatever is the problem with being ready Day 1?

Simon Bates
85 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:43:49
The second half was horrible, McCarthy just can't or won't pass forward, even when the team is moving forward as one, he still turned and played it back.

One of Martinez's undroppables, I thought they were the problem the last 2 seasons? Try Barkley with Gana or Barry to start next week, and get rid of Stones for Bony and cash, throw him up front with Lukaku, put Jagielks with Holgate or Funes Mori.

4-4-2 with Mirallas and Deulofeu as good old-fashioned flying wingers.

Chris Wilson
86 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:45:46
That's a tough comparison, Colin Hughes. Last year was Duncan's testimonial, and the unusual opportunity to watch Rooney play for Everton again.

But I get what you're saying. It's time to bring in players (needed to awhile ago). It has been a tough transfer window for a lot of teams with the delays caused by the Euros; players taking extended breaks, new managers wanting to assess their squads before they make moves, clubs holding out for very high transfers fees with all the new TV money, etc.

However, it's obvious that the fans and the players are looking for new players. This is a thing. I remember Osman commenting how exciting it was to get a new face into the locker room, and Gary Neville once analyzed the dismal Moyes Man U team (which at that time was also lethargic and lacking in any cutting edge) as a sign that the "players need players - the players need help!"

Until then, I think there's a little "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" attitude among players and fans alike until they see changes.

Bobby Thomas
87 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:50:03
There's been a lot of change at Everton in the last few seasons. This season isn't going to be much to get excited about. The squad is in transition.

And can we drop this best squad bollocks? It isn't.

Kunal Desai
88 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:53:49
Sadly that performance had all the hallmarks of a Martinez side.
We're all going to have to be extremely patient, it may well take 3 or 4 transfer windows before we can even compete again for a top 6 finish. Martinez has left Koeman with plenty of garbage, that won't clear over night.

Koeman will need to grind out results next season, make us difficult to beat and try and attain 8th/9th place finish, signs of improvement may mean he could possibly attract a better calibre of players to push again for European football the following season but right now, and looking at things objectively, Everton are not an attractive proposition for the level of players acquired to take us to that next level.

Chris Williams
89 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:54:06
What happened to all that stuff about best squad since the eighties and massively underachieving squad of players repeated like a mantra ad nauseam?

It was always crap and now reality is well and truly biting and not before time.

Chris Watts
90 Posted 06/08/2016 at 17:59:24
£60m plus Remy for Lukaku is looking very good now. In this form he's nowhere near that. He's been turd for about 5 months now. The last 8 games of the season, throughout the Euros and during pre season. If he wants to go get shot of him. Incidentally Mane is looking very good for Liverpool. Hate to say it but they look worlds apart from us at the moment
Trevor Lynes
91 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:02:43
Mike, I could not go to the game today and I do appreciate that you are writing virtually minute to minute. Obviously I hope that Gueye played well and I was a bit disappointed that he started poorly by giving the penalty away.

It is also quite apparent that we are in need of quality all over the pitch and the present squad is weaker than the one that finished last season. In a long hard campaign we need cover for every position if we are going to show improvement on last season.

We started OK last season but flagged badly after Christmas with no strength in depth to cover adequately for injuries and form loss. I am a bit apprehensive at the moment and we probably all need a few decent signings to lift the morale of the squad and the fans. It is galling to watch as other clubs seem to complete deals faster than we do but we seem to be able to loan out youngsters so easily and quickly.

The releases and failure of Niassie to justify his high fee has left us all a bit flat. Naismith was allowed to leave without a replacement and now we have lost Besic before the season begins. >I just hope that Mr Koeman can turn things around pretty quickly.

Eddie Dunn
92 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:03:02
The problem remains that we still need a Number 10. We lack guile, we run out of ideas too soon and if we can't get behind a defence through Geri or Seamus then we have no idea.

Didn't see this game but I wonder why Barkley took the pen? Is Baines no longer the taker?

Jeff Armstrong
94 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:18:44
If nothing else comes out of this game then it's that Baines is put back on pens, pronto.
Sam Hoare
95 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:22:49
Meanwhile a certain other team is beating Barcelona 2-0. Only preseason I know but certainly the last few matches have given us very little confidence or momentum...
Anthony Dwyer
96 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:25:12
We need to freshen things up asap, the league starts next week, wtf.

How can this be justified.

If we won comfortably you could accept the wait for new players, but after reading the reports it seems that all our attacking players lack flair and ability, whilst some lack the basic ability to try.

Colin Malone
97 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:26:48
Ronald Koeman has given everyone in the squad, yes everyone, a chance to prove themselves; that's playing 18 plus players in each game, in friendlies. Yet we are getting comments, "We are average at best. We would be hard pressed to beat any other Lancashire team in the whole Football League."

FFS, have a bit of faith will you. Unbelievable.

Anthony Hughes
98 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:26:53
Too many flatter to deceive and dine out on flash in the pan performances, Barkey, Deuleufeu, Mirallas. Some are just crap, Mccarthy, Cleverely, Kone. Some appear not to give a fuck Lukaku, Stones. It doesn't make for a good squad.

Mark Ryan
99 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:35:39
We just need to understand that the entire club is in flux at the moment and that things are going to take time to develop. Pre-season has not gone very well but as a whole the club is turning a corner. The next few months are going to be turbulent times at the club but we will come out of the other side of it for the better.

There will be ups and downs (the Hibbert story etc) and then the signings (we will get some good signings); we just need to all be patient and stay behind RK and Moshiri. It's going to be like a roller-coaster. Just hang on and the wait will be worthwhile.

Dave Abrahams
100 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:43:08
James (83), there is no problem with being ready on day one, but we are not and most probably will not be next week. What I am saying is the manager has only just come in to manage a team that was very poor last season, he is not going to change it overnight but, when we get to the end of August, I expect Everton to be much better.

This manager is not Martinez, he will not tolerate lazy and indifferent players; the team will get better – just give Koeman time.

Sammy Lee told a mate of mine "You've got a great manager" he (Sammy) wanted to come here with him but it never materialised. A bit more patience James, just a bit you will surprised.

Sid Logan
101 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:47:53
Just got back from the game.

The most telling lesson from it was that the best player on the pitch by some way was Gana.

What does that say about Martinez phenomenal team on the verge of something amazing. He was no more than a poor deluded fool!

Koeman will by now be starting to appreciate that he has a a far bigger rebuilding job than he could ever have imagined. Having said that I've no doubt he will do it. Unfortunately it will take far longer than he or the rest of us ever thought!

Clive Lewis
102 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:49:16
We are way off any improvement from last season.

One interesting observation is how come Mane whom played for Southampton ended up at the RS? Does RK have any influence in terms of buying players? With Lukaju and Niasse heading to the exit but still no attempt at signing any striker replacements????

Tony Abrahams
103 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:49:19
I hope you're right, Mark, but it does show you how low Everton were going. The optimism is quietly disintegrating and the fans really do need a lift.

I'm glad Koeman has taken his time though, because, although things don't look too clever at the minute, patience is something most Evertonians have really learnt over the last couple of decades, if they weren't born with it!

I don't want to go over old ground, but things could be a lot worse, because at least nobody is telling us how 'phenomenal', the players are looking right now.

Danny O'Neill
104 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:53:02
Calma, calma, as the Italians say.

All will be fine. I never used to even know what a pre-season was, let alone get excited about it. That's what over-exposed media coverage is doing to us.

And if we lose at home to Tottenham on the first day of the season (4-1) and do the same again away to West Brom in the second game (2-1), I still won't panic. Been there, seen it 1984.

We'll be fine. Let's see what we're like when the real business starts.

Clive Lewis
105 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:57:20
You mention taking his time, not sure what that suggests. When I read it , it sounds like we are struggling to sign anyone. If I wanted to be really negative I might think either Moshiri is not committing his money or we haven't got a clue whom to sign.

It just does not make any sense due to all the other signings happening at the moment.

If history repeats itself we will end up with average players during the last week of the transfer window.

Andrew Presly
106 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:57:39
Kone up front, for any reason, at this stage? Worrying.
Paul Andrews
107 Posted 06/08/2016 at 18:58:58
Dave Abrahams, great post. Koeman has been here 6 weeks, he is assessing the squad, seeing what positions he needs to improve and looking at players who will fit his system.

I think it will be one more window, possibly two, before he gets near to where he wants to be.

We have a great manager, let's give him a bit of time.

Mark Ryan
108 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:01:06
I'm in full agreement with Tony's and Danny's views. Slow and true will win the race.

I still believe that by the time the window closes we will have shuffled the team in preparation for the January window and I firmly believe that we will finish the season in a healthier and better position than we were when we finished the last.

I'm already optimistic about next summers window. The new ground will be underway and Everton will be on the up. It's not all pie in the sky. Presently, sorting out what happens with Lukaku and Stones is key but we just need to be patient.

Minik Hansen
109 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:03:10
At least Koeman & Co sees where there needs serious investment even though it's so close to season kickoff. I reckon next week will stand out in our transfer activities, especially Tuesday. Just a feeling.
Daniel Lawrence
110 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:12:00
Even Moyes has started signing players and he's only been there a week!!
Brian Keenan
111 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:19:31
Why blame someone who misses a penalty? It happens. We lack creative midfielders - anyone can see that. Lukaku stunk the place out as usual and is now injured.. This season is a write-off so expect mid table.

Signings are the main issue here. Need some in now and then January and kick on after the New Year.
Phil Walling
112 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:26:33
If any other of our Premier era managers had supervised such an uneventful summer as this he would be suffering dog's abuse.

But most of us have faith in Koeman and with Moshiri's money oft talked of, everything SHOULD be alright.

What we do know is that the new manager came here to double his money. Now he must be beginning to realise he will have to earn it.

Let's hope he makes a start soon!

Andy Walker
113 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:28:27
It will take time. It took Martinez a year to undo Moyes's good work, it will now take Koeman a year to undo the damage caused by Martinez.

The short-term view of everything fails to appreciate the bigger picture.

Kieran Kinsella
114 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:28:55
We are looking realistically at 10 to 15 years to turn things around.

The objective short term has to be to stay in the Premier League. Longer term, hopefully we can bring some quality in through the academy. Short term we are looking at bringing in hungry journeymen to keep us afloat.

We've a crippling wage bill and deadwood with no resale value like McGeady, Niasse and Co. A triumvirate of happy has-beens and too many chances who aren't going to make it in the Premier League like Barkley, Dowell and Deulofeu. We are in a similar boat to QPR post-Hughes.

Colin Glassar
115 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:33:28
Didn't see the game, or even follow it, as I was watching the Olympics. Sounds like Koeman has a Herculean task ahead of him.
Bill Griffiths
116 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:35:51
Kieran, it will certainly take time to turn things around but, if you think it will take 10 to 15 years, you must be from another planet.
Mike Oates
117 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:38:33
Unfortunately the mess he's inherited will take 2 seasons to mend. There are so many ineffective players to replace and I see this season as getting the deadwood out, getting a sound foundation in and then putting the gloss on next year.

No marquee signings until next season as there is no reason for them to come; all clubs are rich and wages alone won't sway a player.

Martin Faulkner
118 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:39:27
Just watching Utrecht vs PSV, that centre forward Haller is giving PSV all kinds of problems, looks well handy.
Andy Crooks
119 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:44:16
Phil (#112), utter nonsense. Koeman has not supervised the summer. Our previous managers got huge leeway and goodwill for years. RK has to undo the work of a truly awful coach.
Kieran Kinsella
120 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:45:30

Probably more like 25 years!

Sid Logan
121 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:46:26
Phil #122

I know you delight in cheery post but even the most pessimistic of us have to appreciate that (1) Koeman needed time to properly assess the team; (2) the club were always going to bring in a Director of Football; and (3) the decision was to let Koeman get on with assessing the squad and raising their pretty dismal fitness levels.

I think right now Evertonians must show some patience. We've put up with Martinez's shite philosophy, fitness levels and sheer detachment from reality.

Koeman is already showing that he has clarity about many of the issues that Martinez chose to ignore in the interests of a misguided positivity.

Just be patient and reign in that natural sourness. This is a new era and it will be like John Moore's second coming – if you are able to recall that!

Phil Walling
123 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:50:20
Bloody hell, Kieran, 15 years? That sounds like a job for Moyes!

I know we finished a handful of points ahead of Sunderland last season but both clubs were bottom half and it will be interesting to see which club makes the better recovery.

I smell a betting opportunity opening up!

David Pearl
124 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:57:05
10-15 months? Not in this day and age will it be any longer. It's the transition from defence to attack that needs working on. The players can't survive on promise any longer, we want results. We need a few quality signings. Now.

And if Rock Lobster picks up the ball to take a penalty when Baines is on the pitch again I will struggle not to pitch invade!

Ray Said
125 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:58:10
I watched the match today and a few things struck me which may take a long time to eradicate through the training ground but also some things which are flaws that can't be put right in time.

1. We have a lot of players who turn to face the passer (Barkley, McCarthy are two of the worst). This means they are slow to turn forward or their first instinct is to pass it back where it came from. Better players mostly stand on the half turn when receiving the ball so they have more options.

2. We have players who still look like they can't run full pace or look like they are running in treacle. That's what comes of nearly three seasons of only doing ball work. The collective energy could not power a 60-watt bulb.

3. We have players who take their man on, pivot, stop and pass it backwards – Coleman has developed this habit over the last couple of season and Barkley is another one.

4. We have players who can't zip the ball along the ground with any accuracy. A lot of the passes are slow, inaccurate and telegraphed. The defending team can easily see where we are passing to and intercept. Tom Davies came on and instantly started fizzing passes with some pace and along the deck.

5. We have defenders who can't keep a defensive line – Coleman, Baines, Funes Mori; or win a header – Baines, Stones.

6. We have players who, given two choices, will usually pick the wrong one. Shooting when they should pass, passing when they should dribble, dribbling when they should pass. To me, if a player reaches 50 games and is still making mostly wrong decisions then we should get shut.

I hope the manager and staff can work the oracle on the training pitch but I think it's going to take at least two seasons and four windows to get anywhere near top 6 or 7.

Jim Bailey
126 Posted 06/08/2016 at 19:59:35

Insult to rock lobsters everywhere.

Colin Glassar
127 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:02:59
I think there will be a rash of new signings this week.
Kieran Kinsella
128 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:03:22
Phil Walling

I honestly don't think any of us will see a successful Everton team in our lifetimes.

Brent Stephens
129 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:08:08
Colin #127 "I think there will be a rash of new signings this week."

The we'll knock spots off other teams!

Phil Walling
130 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:21:45
I'm starting to pick up the stench of excuse making !

The hopeless Martinez took up his appointment just NINE days earlier (on 20 June 2013) than Koeman did this summer.

The Spaniard managed to improve by one finishing place, his predecessor's customary sixth, but, such was the mess he eventually made of a decent side, he left us six places lower.

All I have ever expected of the new man is that he gives us hope by getting our team back in the top half – say three measly places in year 1 – and doesn't spout crap.

Not too much to ask of a so-called top manager surely? But he certainly needs to step up the pace of his putting together a team for that first season or else he will be left in the stalls!

Phil Walling
131 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:27:12
Martinez took over on 5 June 2013 – not the 20th!
Freddy Maldonado
132 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:38:36
I'm not in full panic mode yet. But, if the season started tomorrow, we would have Kone up front. Kone...

We need to sort out our issues quickly. If the current team is not capable of scoring goals then find people that can. It's that simple. Loyalty will not win you games(see last season). Replace the slow and unimaginative and spark some life into the team. Are we waiting for Baines and Barry going back to being 25 again? How about waiting for Macca and Barks to understand creativity? I am not saying to get rid of these servants but are they improving us going forward?

Unfortunately, Koeman has a task ahead of him that may take past this season to fix. If that is the case then so be it, but clean your house now so the stink doesn't fester. I truly believe that he is the man to do it and he deserves us to have faith in his abilities right now. 4/5 points after 3 games would be a successful start(from what we have seen so far) – at that point, Koeman can start to push his tactics a bit further.

But Kone... That's a nightmare, right?

Dave Ganley
133 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:49:14
I'm not as pessimistic as some on here but recent results against decidedly average opposition just goes to show how big a job Koeman has let himself in for. I've said many times that this squad couldn't even hold a candle to the Moyes side @2007 to 09 let alone the 80s squad but some of you just got suckered into the Martinez driven media myth that we had an awesome squad. Well we don't. We have some decent players who show potential but aside from that, nothing special in the slightest.

We also have a disruptive squad. We have players in this squad who are all about the "me me me" syndrome. They don't give a flying fuck about the team, that showed over the last 2 and half years. Very few in this squad would be willing to put their bodies on the line for the team. How many times have we dug deep and ground out results when needed? Very few indeed. I'm sure that some Martinez/defenders of the average players will come up with a couple of examples but not many.

Martinez bought very poorly. He obviously never did any homework regarding who would be a good fit in the dressing room or not, you can see that on the pitch with players giving up, not tackling, throwing arms in the air, the list is endless. We went from a decent side with great team spirit to a team that couldn't give a flying fuck about each other, that is the Martinez legacy. That is the size of the job that Koeman has. It will not be a quick fix. He needs to get rid of disruptive characters as well as the deadwood. As much as I think Lukaku is/can be a good player, I think he is very much a disruptive influence in the dressing room and needs to go as soon as. We know how good he can be but is very selective as to when he can be arsed to play. Stones seems to be back on his game and would like to think that he would be well worth keeping.

Until Koeman starts to get rid of a lot of players and brings in new ones who will play for each other then we have rocky roads ahead. The saving grace is that Koeman has rebuilt teams before. Nobody is bigger than the club so if that means getting rid of the so called better players for the good of the team then so be it, bit it will take at least 2 years until we start to get the quality players interested in coming to us.

Gary Reeves
134 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:53:50
Simon Bates back at #85:

"Barkley back in midfield!" – No, no, no, no, NO, NO!! How much evidence do people need that that kid could NEVER play in centre-mid? He's a supporting forward, or he's on the bench (which is my preferred option).

This lad is a real issue now – Koeman has to make tough decisions. We sacrifice the whole shape to squeeze him in.

Tony Draper
135 Posted 06/08/2016 at 20:55:19
Bloody hell, Phil @130!

Stop reading my dark thoughts, then posting them here. Please!



James Marshall
136 Posted 06/08/2016 at 21:01:55
So we lose 1-0 at home to the 'other team' from Barcelona... meanwhile the RS dismantle Barcelona 4-0 at Wembley

Luckily pre-season games don't mean anything...

Oliver Molloy
137 Posted 06/08/2016 at 21:16:33
It will take this season for Koeman and co to find their feet in the club and work on building "his team".

In saying that I hope he has a fairly thick skin because as we know - us fans know better a lot of the time !

As others have eluded to Everton are a hard sell at the moment even with a billionaire investor.
We need at the very least , players who are going to compete hard for places on the team - until we have that we are looking at mid table again in my opinion.

Trevor Peers
138 Posted 06/08/2016 at 21:16:34
Most of our problems lay in midfield, Mirallas and Duelofeou (who has potential) don't back track and cover the full backs, which leaves us wide open at the back, plus they don't score or create enough goals.
Barkley is sadly lacking as an efficient playmaker, something we have missed since Arteta left, and has a huge confidence problem.

Until we buy genuine class and replace at least two of these player's we will struggle all season long, especially at home, because we lack balance, and are very easy to play against.

A new striker is also a must, we have no back up striker, Kone is a nightmare, he will never score goals. Hopefully we can recruit the player's we need, and get rid of the dross, before the window closes or it will be a long hard slog of a season, in the bottom half of the table, over to you RK !

Geoff Williams
139 Posted 06/08/2016 at 21:43:48
I cannot see any redeeming features in Deulofeu's game. He regularly loses the ball, he didn't put in one cross ball and his tracking back is an after thought not instinctive.

Stones is a shadow of his former self. Lukaku simply cannot hold the ball although surprisingly today he won a few headers.

As for the style of play I couldn't see much difference from last season.

Ben Dyke
140 Posted 06/08/2016 at 21:58:14
Is anyone surprised like me that we haven't shifted Lukaku or Stones? It's all chicanery, public pronouncements even by Guardiola and still no concrete offer. Chelsea and Man City are playing brinkmanship in the hope Everton give in late with better terms for the buyers. It does nothing but disrupt the squad.

I don't like mentioning Moyes but the last few years show me he knew how to create team spirit and would never have bought Lukaku. Koeman has his work cutout. The preseason matches are training exercises that highlight issues and good things. The first few matches proper are the litmus test.

Paul Conway
141 Posted 06/08/2016 at 22:05:53
Well, now we know at least it's not Koeman's fault. It's certainly not Martinez's fault... Because he is no longer here. So, who is responsible for the crime? ... THE PLAYERS!!!

The ones a lot of people get behind and still have faith in! Mirallas, Deulofeu, Barkley, Lukaku... (now I have stopped citing because the list is long!) etc.

I have read people's opinions and a lot are still smitten by these three players who have now become average and tiresome; we have to move on. They are yesterday's potential. And I say 'potential' because they have shown zilch end product!

Jack Convery
142 Posted 06/08/2016 at 22:20:45
Is it just me or did Martinez fuck us up even more than we thought?

Doug Harris
143 Posted 06/08/2016 at 22:20:48
We don't have an attacking midfield player who can grab the game by the scruff of the neck and do something audacious. Sorry but Ross is not Boss.

Hopefully Koeman can make something out of Ross cos really he has gone backwards over the last couple of seasons and I for one don't see any change in him at all.

At the end of this coming season I hope I am made to eat my words.

Sam Hoare
144 Posted 06/08/2016 at 22:35:23
Based on what we've seen in preseason what would everyone's starting XI be? Reckon the Man Utd match was possibly the best performance...

Holgate, Jagielka, Funes Mori;
Coleman, Baines;
Gueye, Davies;
Lukaku, Mirallas.

Ben Dyke
145 Posted 06/08/2016 at 22:54:12
I agree, Jack. It's becoming clear. I was all for Moyes going but it always meant risking the unknown. Martinez has created a team without a spirit. I'd have kept Hibbert and Osman just to retain an identity and we've cut that off too.
Thomas Surgenor
146 Posted 06/08/2016 at 22:54:55
Even if there are new signings this week, it'll be too late for the Spurs game.

Doesn't leave them enough time to come in and get to know their "job" or role in the team.

We will be lining up against Spurs with what we have at the minute.

Tony Abrahams
147 Posted 06/08/2016 at 22:57:16
Never watched the game today, but I'm in total agreement with what Ray said 125!

Great assessment that Ray, agree with everything you said, except your last sentence. We have some good players, who just need a couple of leaders to show them the way, and once they gain some confidence, I think we will improve rapidly.

Clive 105, I also think we are struggling to get the players that we really want, but with Kool Hand Luke, now in charge, I would be very surprised to see history repeat itself, because I'm sure Koeman, knows a good player when he sees one.

John Pierce
148 Posted 06/08/2016 at 23:47:34
I want to get angry but won't, not just yet. As I could hear how hacked off Koeman was on the touchline. So he knows it was a very weak performance

Clearly he also knows re-inforcements are required so not to worry right?

But a moderate Spanish side outclassed us in every area of the field, and not one aspect of the game today could give one cause for optimism.

Shape without the ball was hopeless, I'm afraid thats on Rom for me. In previous pre season games I've seen Everton press from the front effectively and consistently. Today with rom as the spearhead, nothing, this fed back to the rest of the team. Zero intensity no pressure on their defence, no shape.

With the ball, poor passing, no outlets, build up was poor, no discernible pattern of play? Careless might be kind but actually we had not one player in a central area conducting the play or capable of spliting them open. Hugely concerning

Aerially we are handicapped and its shows. Name the players decent in the air defensively? Barry is okay, Mori is and thats that. Most of the side are vertically challenged and regardless of their height are actually lamentable in the air

What are Lennon, Geri, Mirallas and Ross doing at set pieces? Based on the risk, I'd rather leave two on the edge of the area and two on the half way line, at least if we clear it we have decent breakaway potential

As for individuals today several stunk Goodison out roundly. Stones, mistake after mistake, just casual in his approach. Rom, sulking and unfit doesn't appear to fit this style of play. Ross looked lost, sure flashes of skill but no substance. Gueye, well both he and JMac could be the same player, from the corner of your eye they seem busy but actually under closer examination they do nothing, give the team no extra dimension whatsoever.

And Breathe..

Dave Lynch
149 Posted 07/08/2016 at 00:13:27
Sorry lads, I still don't get it with RB.

I'm not in the camp that Koeman can get the best out of him and polish this rough diamond.

I honestly think he has reached his level and that is bang average.

Si Cooper
150 Posted 07/08/2016 at 00:28:13
A couple of weeks ago there were tons of posts saying all it would take to get us challenging for the top six after the demise of 'the worst manager in the solar system' (or similar nonsense) was a decent pre-season under a proper coach.

Now it is a long-term project and requires a complete overhaul of the squad.

Personally I'm fed up of the hyperbole (both praise and insult) and wild predictions. Can't we all wait and see were we are in a couple of months before we start celebrating or kicking the cat?

Jon Cox
151 Posted 06/08/2016 at 00:28:38
£50M for Stones?

Ain't gonna happen. –30M and Bony defo on the cards.

Also never befriend a Dalek – they have more faces than Big Ben.

Highly topical at this time, but that's enough about agents.

Paul Columb
152 Posted 07/08/2016 at 00:36:47
This might seem a tad off-topic but stick with me a sec.

Anyone at the game today have any feedback on progress with Goodison's facelift? On task? Looking close to completion for next Saturday? The reason I ask relates to early clues as to how our new owner and board set-up are delivering on the perceived modus of silently getting on with the job and changing perceptions of the club's status.

I, for no logical reason, have trusted that Moshiri and the restructured board will deliver on forwarding the club significantly on and off the field. A lack of signings to date and no further info on progression with stadium location haven't worried me as a have blind faith that both will be delivered to good affect.

The plans of a facelift for Goodison was welcome news, even if just for a few remaining seasons as home in an effort to change perceptions of the club from its stagnating image of the past 2 decades. And so, are there signs that false dawns are a thing of the past for the faithful?

Damian Wilde
153 Posted 07/08/2016 at 00:38:08
Ben (145) – keep Hibbert... who played 12 times in four years? Are you actually mad? Speechless. Thank fuck you're not manager. Ridiculous enough he got another two years.
Ian Riley
154 Posted 07/08/2016 at 00:48:31
Why do people think Koeman is going to turn this team into a top six side? For the past two years we have been poor at best. If Martinez had been here now, a bet on us to get relegated would have been a good shout.

For two years, results were not important only performances. Neither any good. Change the formation, training, and the style but the mindset will take time. Some of our player's have performed poorly over the past two years and may need moving on.

Koeman took over Southampton on the up. Everton are on the slide. He needs his own players who will buy into his methods. Are we kidding our selves about how talented the sqaud are? Koeman will have a heart attack before September at this rate on the touchline.

I believe it will take three transfer windows to get the team he wants. Today showed the reality that a new manager is not going to solve the problem completely. Koeman must be given time and our patience.

Gordon Crawford
155 Posted 07/08/2016 at 01:35:15
That shower from across the park showed us today what passion and unity is all about. We look like eleven individuals who play only for themselves. Lukaku and Stones need to go before they stink the place out. McCarthy is clueless and as for Barkley, will he ever fulfill his potential?

We are playing like a team waiting to be relegated. We need some serious changes in our playing staff. Koeman is still the right man to make us a force again. But It's going to take a long long time.

Derek Thomas
156 Posted 07/08/2016 at 02:14:45
Ian @ 154, Gordon @155. Exactly this. Koeman has just over 3 weeks to bring in players, get rid of players. Then start to get those left after the window shuts into some sort of shape.

I've said before that bad habits are easy to acquire, but very hard to remove. Martinez did the easy bad habits part. Koeman may have doubled his money but he's going to double his efforts to reverse the will many of the players – and some that can't or won't will be gone.

Fast forward 13 months and we will see a vastly different squad...that's the sort of time scale needed. If we come out of this season with a single digit League position, we will have done well, in essentially what could be a 'write off / transition' season.

I shudder to think come October or November where we would be with Martinez still in charge.

In the event of there being any actual 'Real' bids, Koeman / Walsh / Moshiri must have collective minimum figure in their heads Re. Stones & Lukaku. But what we do have now is the money to get replacements / cover in whether they go or not.

I know all about the stats and how it's all about the Goals and how / where would you replace him, etc, etc. but more and more, by accident or design, Lukaku is slowly morphing into a very, very, expensive Anichebe, whose minuses, at the moment, out weigh his pluses.

Jay Wood
157 Posted 07/08/2016 at 03:02:25
Derek @ 156

"I know all about the stats and how it's all about the Goals and how / where would you replace him, etc, etc. but more and more, by accident or design, Lukaku is slowly morphing into a very, very, expensive Anichebe."

Seriously, Derek...? Methinks that is said for effect, rather than something to be taken seriously.

Anichebe took 8 seasons and 131 Premier League games to accumulate his career total of 18 Premier League goals for Everton, the same return Lukaku achieved in a poor team last season. Anichebe's total goal return in his 8 seasons and 168 games at Everton was 26 – just 1 more than Lukaku achieved in a single season.

Moving along...

Koeman quite rightly should be given some leeway and time. He is only in the 2nd month of his tenure. But some of the time frames suggested before seeing improvement at the club – 10-15 YEARS???!!! – are absurd.

With the players he has inherited, the (alleged, no evidence yet) of the transfer budget at his disposal and the skill sets he brings to the job I expect to see considerable improvement in results THIS SEASON.

Martinez praised the players in his successful 1st season for how quickly they adapted to his preferred style of play in weeks, whereas at Swansea and Wigan it took many months.

I have more faith in Koeman and our squad to successfully adapt once more to another playing style than some in this thread.

Peter Barry
158 Posted 07/08/2016 at 03:03:04
Martinez was awful but Everton's players stink the place out.
Jay Wood
159 Posted 07/08/2016 at 03:08:27
As for today's match, I'm not impressed that Baines wasn't on penalty duty for us.

I'd rather hoped we'd seen the end of 'who grabs the ball first can take the pen.'

If Leighton is on the pitch HE takes the penalties. No arguments.

Peter Barry
160 Posted 07/08/2016 at 03:20:14
Lukaku's mind is elsewhere and his body language screams it. Barkley, on the other hand, is nowhere – and it shows.
Andy Meighan
161 Posted 07/08/2016 at 03:45:36
Liverpool win a friendly 4 0 against Barcelona and, all of a sudden, they're the team to look up to?

I've been watching Everton nigh on 50 years and I couldn't tell you one preseason result that Everton have played; simple reason – they don't matter. The real stuff starts next week.

Now I'm not saying the squad is ideal by any stretch but, come the end of the window, I trust Keenan to have at least three quality players in. If we haven't, I'll be a bit worried. But the optimist in me says he's got a at least a couple of deals lined up. Rome wasn't built in a day, and all that...

Fran Mitchell
164 Posted 07/08/2016 at 03:56:38
I'm worried Kone is still taking up game time. He surely can't have a role to play, he is just awful.

What are we really expecting from this season? Personally, anything below 6th is a disappointment, anything below 8th is poor and if we ain't in the top 10 then it is a disaster.

The squad lack balance, and I do wonder why it is taking so long to address this? Do we have money? Are they waiting to sign someone specific and just 'waiting it out'. Will we only sign players as the window nears the end? Or will we only sign in January/next summer?

Annoying. Football is supposed to be a fun distraction from real life. Now work has become a more enjoyable distraction from Football life.

Kieran Kinsella
165 Posted 07/08/2016 at 04:15:06
Moshiri – all talk, no action.
Ernie Baywood
166 Posted 07/08/2016 at 04:32:24
I've been fortunate (?) enough to watch every minute of our pre-season matches and I'm not quite as despondent as some.

Stekelenburg looks solid. Seamus and Baines look better than last season. Jagielka's run out was decent but I've been encouraged by Stones's performances. First half yesterday he was very good.

Barkley looks better. His first half yesterday was a thing of beauty. I see his shortcomings, I don't know why people don't see his positives. Gueye seems like exactly what we're missing.

Deulofeu and Mirallas are huge ins for us and they've had good pre-seasons. Maybe Deulofeu supports the strikers a bit more to provide that nippy goal that we lack?

Striker is an area of concern but we've so got Rom.

Most of that is on an individual basis. They haven't clicked as a team yet but that's Ron's job.

Mark Andersson
167 Posted 07/08/2016 at 05:23:33
So all the hype has seemingly been evaporated by the reality that were still shite eh???

Good luck to Koeman, he has a hell of a job rebuilding, and these greatest fans in the world will not help because they're too impatient,

One good game and they will be dreaming, one bad game then they will be screaming.

Nothing has changed, eh.

Jason Pullen
168 Posted 07/08/2016 at 05:38:51
What exactly has he said Kieran?
Brian Porter
169 Posted 07/08/2016 at 06:36:57
And while we bring on the useless Kone, and Niasse continues to be paid mega bucks for doing fuck-all, guess what? Stevie Naismith scores for Norwich on the opening day of the Championship at Blackburn. Great business by Martinez, eh, folks?
Tony Draper
170 Posted 07/08/2016 at 07:09:58
Jay @159. Spot on.

About time the rest of them realised that their efforts in training mean bugger all, Leighton scores every time from the spot.

Paul Ward
171 Posted 07/08/2016 at 07:20:54
Ernie # 166. I too have seen every minute of pre season, but it is amazing how different people see things.

"Stekelenburg looks solid. Seamus and Baines look better than last season. Jagielka's run-out was decent." I can go along with, but I saw the same slack defending and passing errors from Stones as usual.

The enigma which is Ross Barkley really has us blues divided. You say "His first half yesterday was a thing of beauty. I see his shortcomings, I don't know why people don't see his positives."

Since Barkley's debut I have wished him to fulfill the promise he showed as a youth but despite the chances he has had he is still the unfinished product.

My response was triggered by your first paragraph about seeing all pre season games and not a personal on you. I just thought the good thing about TW is when 2 people see the same games we still see things different.

Eddie Dunn
172 Posted 07/08/2016 at 07:34:28
Spurs just had a big win and will give us an idea of where we stand next week. Preseason is just preseason and it means nothing if you win all of your warm-up games and then screw it up in the real thing.

Also, once the season really starts, the players will hopefully be in proper game mode. We should also see Koeman's preferred line-up.

It is very early days and there is still time for one or two arrivals and departures, so let's not get too worried. I knew that this squad was seriously lacking last term, with lots of deadwood as well as some big egos taking up space. Hibbo and Ossie and Pienaar have been put out to pasture, and now we await the disposal of McGeady, Niasse and Kone.

We need a creative playmaker, a centre half and another striker but I think the new goalie looks good. Next weekend is going to be interesting.

Derek Thomas
173 Posted 07/08/2016 at 07:34:37
Jay @ 157; only some what for effect. Unlike BK I never saw Hickson, but, like all the others after him who I did see, I know they didn't score every week, but they did contribute.

Lukaku's very good at scoring goals when he scores them...when the team plays to his strengths. But No goals AND very little off the ball / build up play = passenger. OK, he's a passenger that might score, but when he's in passenger mode, walking around, pointing where he wants the ball it's like playing with 10 men sometimes...Not quite Berbatov-esque, who when at United could bank on others chipping in, OR Anichebe.

Koeman has to decide, as does Lukaku and/or his Dad /agent, If they can live with each others demands / faults...they both have until 1st Sept. In the first instance.

Stephen Brown
174 Posted 07/08/2016 at 07:51:01
A lot of talk about players body language! I'm for concerned about Ronald's body language! He looks like a man who has just realised that he will need to earn every penny of that massive salary!

We desperately need 2/3 signings this week just to lift the descending gloom!

Paul Kelly
175 Posted 07/08/2016 at 08:58:21
Just as it took El Bob 6 months to undo the solidarity left by that TGT, it will take Roeman (hate it when people combine two words) several months to get us back on track.

As for the £100M warchest, did the club announce this or was it another well researched piece of journalism on par with Piers "Major" Morgan (the major stands for 'twat') selling our troops down the river with those "torture" photos? Prick.

Patience my friends, it'll be a hard start, maybe up to Christmas (IMHO) – hate abbreviations too. CWYL.

Willliam Bruce
176 Posted 07/08/2016 at 08:59:54
Just seen the 'dull' highlights.

Looks like none of the proposed work has been done on the ground, anyone see anything different on the day?

Peter Barry
177 Posted 07/08/2016 at 09:05:48
A sign of the season ahead: Everton lose at home to a very mediocre Spanish team while Liverpool trash Barcelona and all the other Shy Four are recording huge friendly wins too. I'm afraid it's not going to be pretty for Everton this season.
Stephen Coles
178 Posted 07/08/2016 at 09:22:54
Paul Kelly @175 your right the club have never said we have a £100m war chest. But they have said we can now compete financially with any one in world football. Although Martinez did speak a lot of rubbish so who knows!
Ernie Baywood
179 Posted 07/08/2016 at 09:40:59
Paul 171 that's fair enough, I don't even necessarily disagree with anything you say.

Stones did make some errors. Some are forgivable (for me) for the reason that you have to accept errors if you want to be creative. But certainly one pass out towards Coleman that put us in trouble was very poor from a nothing position. Overall I thought he looked closer to his breakout season, graceful and committed.

Barkley will continue to divide our support (and other team's support). He's nowhere near the finished article (which is disappointing) but, similar to Stones, I think you have to accept mistakes.

My biggest criticism of Ross is that he's just not involved enough in games. I'm sure that will improve, but he'll never be the all action player that many want him to be.

I'm still excited for the season, despite the underwhelming transfer business. I'm hoping Gueye can bring the influence that Besic keeps threatening to, while our attacking players could be thrilling if we let them loose. I'm imagining us keeping it tight and then springing at teams with Deulofeu, Mirallas, Barkley and Lukaku.

The good thing is it's too early to say we won't! We'll see.

Christopher Timmins
180 Posted 07/08/2016 at 10:05:48
Folks, there are no points at stake until next weekend so lets keep our nerve and give the manager the time he needs to sort out the mess created by the previous manager.
Phil Walling
181 Posted 07/08/2016 at 10:08:34
We are told Moshiri will double Rom's money in order to keep him and that a £50M fee placed on Stones's head will repel all boarders. It is also said that retaining these two 'super stars' plus Barkley is just as important as signing new players. Really?

I wonder who said those things. Mirror hacks? Echo crawlers? ToffeeWeb experts? Or was it Koeman with the promise of Moshiri's money ?

Who knows? But, for all our sakes, I pray it wasn't the latter because, if it was, we are well and truly stuffed!

Aidy Dews
182 Posted 07/08/2016 at 10:08:38
Anthony Hughes (#98) & Ray Said (#125), I agree a lot with what you both say. I also reckon certain players are dining out on flash in the pan performances and it isn't good enough. There's no consistency and the players you mention Anthony, Barkley, Deulofeu, Mirallas and I'll add to that, Lukaku, all play as individuals and not in unison and that's why our play in the final third is terrible. All 4 of them all think of themselves and are selfish. They all want to beat men, be greedy and take shots on in and around the box instead of working together, playing between themselves and opening teams up that way. Now I don't mind players taking on shots when a shot is the best option but even when it isn't, those players are still trying to take men on or engineer that half yard to shoot when it isn't on and when a give and go is a better option.

Now has individuals they've all got a lot of talent but they need to start working together and not for themselves. You don't see the class players the likes of City & Arsenal have all playing has individuals and selfishly, they all play has a unit and between themselves and look dangerous and create chances and score goals.

The stench of Martinez still reeks across our team and I think it's going to take time for Koeman to rid of it. It's gonna take at least 3 transfer windows to get in his own men, to get in the required quality to have us playing in the manner that he wants us to. It was easy for him at Southampton has although he lost a lot of good players, the team under Pochettino played in a similar way to how Koeman wants his teams to play so the transition was pretty easy, but at us it won't be has such and there's much work to be done and that's why it baffles me that we haven't got more players in through the door to help with getting our team moulding into one of Koeman's liking.

Richard Lyons
183 Posted 07/08/2016 at 11:07:44
I'm depressed.
Ernie Baywood
184 Posted 07/08/2016 at 11:44:25
Cheer up, Richard – footy is back next week.
Eddie Dunn
185 Posted 07/08/2016 at 11:46:28
Aidy – it didn't take Koeman many windows at Southampton – he seemed to sweep in a lot of new faces very quickly.
Mike Powell
186 Posted 07/08/2016 at 11:55:04
It proves one thing: we need about five players – the ones we have are not good enough.
Jeff Armstrong
187 Posted 07/08/2016 at 12:25:32
Phil (#181), Aidy (#182) – all true; Koeman needs to get rid of these so-called better players – Lukaku, Stones and yes Barkley; rip it up and start again.

These very players are synonymous with what is wrong at Everton; each has their own many flaws and yet we are constantly telling each other on these pages and at the club that we should resist selling our golden generation and build a team around them.

But I'm afraid this golden generation as a bad as all the other recent golden generation's we've had shoved down our throats (Portugal 2004, England 2006, the current Belgium squad etc etc). Let Koeman get rid of these three wasters and start building again, but with a few quid at his disposal.

Chris Corn
188 Posted 07/08/2016 at 12:54:07
Phil 181, surprisingly I find myself agreeing with you in relation to our current situation. I'm reserving judgement on the current regime because after sitting through yesterday, there was precious little to make me think anything is going to change soon

Like you, I hope there is all sorts going on in the background because at the moment it all seems like another false dawn. It was par for the course back in the day, but for the moment at least, this bright new world doesn't seem all that.

Without wishing to harp on re our neighbours, they stuff Barca in front of a packed Wembley. We laboured to defeat in front of a sparse crowd to Barcelona city's second team. I thought we were meant to be moving away from all that. Friendlies I know, but I can't see how you can just flick a, switch and make it 'Alright on the night.'

Steve Barr
189 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:07:35
Regardless of time to get bedded in and multiple transfer windows, what happened to the "new manager affect"?

Judging from all the pre-season games I've seen so far, we look as static, unmotivated and lacklustre as last season!

I've seen no evidence of urgency in our play so far nor any signs of leadership on the pitch. Both need to be found and pretty damn quick.

Phil Walling
190 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:11:18
Chris, help may be at hand! A mate just texted me to say the TV cash will be distributed this coming week and, although it is said we no longer need to rely on it, it may oil the wheels of our transfer machine.

Here's hoping, anyway!

Jim Bailey
191 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:15:41
Just seen the latest pile of bull poop.

Apparently Chelsea are offering Begovic and Remy to do a deal for Lukaku.

If it's true, please Everton make it happen.

Colin Glassar
192 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:17:53
Hart, BMI and Janusaj to come. That would seriously strengthen the spine of the team. A creative MF and a CF to come in before the window closes. That's my prediction/hope anyway.

I also now believe Stonesy and Lukaku will stay unless someone makes a ridiculous offer.

Frank Crewe
193 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:17:54
@Steve Barr

I think the new manager effect only happens when a season is actually under way. Look what happened with Unsworth one game in charge last season. RK has been at the club for a couple of months now so and new manager effects will have worn off.

We need to be playing real competitive football to sort out the workers from the skivers. I don't see what anyone gleans from friendlies.

Phil Walling
194 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:22:18
Steve, I agree with those comments. What is strange is that the spirits of the team/squad seemed lifted considerably for the final game of last season for which Unsey and Uncle Joe took charge.

I wasn't present but every report including that on OS said how vibrant the team looked.

Have we got an inordinate bunch of moody buggers, by any chance? Or are they missing the laxity of the Martinez regime?

William Cartwright
195 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:31:17
Very early days chaps. One thing I expect this season is an influx of youngsters making the grade. Usually it is a player a season, possibly 3 every 2 seasons. This season I fully expect Davies, Holgate, Dowell and possibly another from Browning, Pennington, Tarashaj, Kenny.

Interesting comments from RK after the Manure game. Holgate at 18 or another at 38 it makes no difference. if you are good enough you are old enough.

I have faith in the Moshiri / Koeman / Walsh ticket, simply because there is no other realistic choice. Liverpoo's faith in Klopp is starting to bear fruit if their pre-season is anything to go by. (How and why they were invited to take part in a 'champions tournament still bugs me).

I believe we will have new faces in soon but the waiting is making my ulcer play up! What I did not expect, as I am sure neither did RK, was the actual level of damage the heritage of Martinez. Is this in itself a fair statement? I have been as anti-Martinez as anybody, but there were times when I thought the criticism was over the top. The along came Baines' chemistry lesson and that did it for me.

What is surprising is the manner of the last game of the season when the shackles were off. Obviously though the hard work over the long term has to start sooner than later.

I think RK has done everything right so far, except the open gratitude (pay-rise) to Rom. I don't get that. If a player wants to, and I mean really wants to leave, then he should be moved on with a damage limitation exercise put in place. There are other hungry, skillful players out there who could be drafted in, at a price, and with minimal risk to the dressing room morale.

Patience is a virtue. I wish I had more of it.

Michael Lynch
196 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:53:01
I would take Bony + £30m for Stones, and Bergovic + £50m for Lukaku in a heartbeat. On the evidence of pre-season, Koeman now knows he has to do a total rebuild, and I don't think anyone in the squad is safe. And to be honest, there's not one player I would be upset to lose after watching the friendlies this summer.

Mirallas and Deulofeu aren't up to it, Barkley is not getting any better, our defence is appalling, and we don't have any creative midfielders worth a carrot. I would keep Barry, the new fella, a couple of the kids, and Baines & Coleman and sell the rest tomorrow.

Phil Walling
197 Posted 07/08/2016 at 13:57:05
William, much as I have high hopes of Koeman, I cannot share your satisfaction of his actions so far. Re-signing Gibson was an early mistake, whilst putting the Club in thrall to Lukaku (if true) is almost as ridiculous as his predecessor's signing of Niasse!

Of course it's early days and I'm sure signings will be made. But whoever comes in, they will have to be of a higher level than the Championship fodder we've seen so far. Indeed, they will have to be a lot better than the players he inherited who have already showed their 'eleventhishness' two sorry seasons running!

Paul Conway
198 Posted 07/08/2016 at 14:00:04
Man City & Chelsea... cheeky sods!

We should offer them Oviedo, McGeady, Niasse, Kone, Cleverley, McCarthy, Mirallas, Deulofeu, Besic, Robles. And see how they like it!

Mike Gwyer
199 Posted 07/08/2016 at 14:07:56

Frank Crewe

"I don't see what anyone gleans from friendlies".

They are important Frank, the red lot have said so. It's got to the point where I cannot listen to another red talking about how their lot gave a good thumping to Barca.

Seriously, lets get this season going and we will soon see who is who in the EPL.

William Cartwright
200 Posted 07/08/2016 at 14:11:52
Phil, you are right, I should have said some things, not 'everything'. I thought extending Gibson's contract was done before Koeman joined? However, splitting hairs and all that.

I still feel that Koeman has to have a period of assessment in any event. A simple observation is tat there are about 8 other teams in the Premier League who don't have Barkley, Lukaku, Stones, Deulofeu and Mirallas on their books and they seem to do OK.

If we get attached to players as they represent the Club we love then that is understandable. But there really are other options. I would swap West Ham's team roster in a heartbeat. Leicester too. I can't imagine what a player like Drinkwater would do to our ponderous group.

Colin Metcalfe
201 Posted 07/08/2016 at 14:44:52
I watched the game yesterday here in Barcelona, as I and many other posters have said a Number 10 is a priority, we can't open up defenses with our attacking play.

Come Saturday, I think we will play 3-5-2 formation with Stones playing slightly in front of Jags and Funes Mori and hopefully squeeze them in midfield, we need to be difficult to beat before we can play with s bit of swagger!

Daniel Lawrence
202 Posted 07/08/2016 at 14:49:03
We've needed a Number 10 since Kenwright sold Arteta with minutes of the window closing. Absolute shambles, nothing seems to have changed.

Double my salary and I'll work somewhere else; it doesn't mean you've got to provide me with additional headcount or greater quality, I'll put up with it for three years until a better opportunity comes along.

Steve Barr
203 Posted 07/08/2016 at 14:59:24
At the very least I would expect to see the intensity, pressing and desire increase game by game in readiness for the Tottenham game, friendly or not!

We don't look anywhere near ready for Saturday from what I've seen.

Tony Draper
204 Posted 07/08/2016 at 15:07:23
A week to go and so far only a backup 'keeper signed?

Have to admit that I really thought we'd have three new faces by now, one of whom would be of the punching the air variety.

I keep telling myself that there is plenty going on behind the scenes and keeping our gobs shut is the right way to go about our business. But, it's not working! I'm bloody fed up with this continual "Xmas Eve" feeling. I want a BIG box of toys and I want them right now!

Alan Bodell
205 Posted 07/08/2016 at 15:31:14
Snods was doing punditry on TV. and kept saying Barkley was the best player out there... fucking hell, mate, punditry is about calling it truthfully – not what we all wish it was. Barkley is never going to fulfill the massive hype and I'm fed up with listening to it continue so long, it's a joke.
Raymond Fox
206 Posted 07/08/2016 at 15:35:22
Strange is it not, when Martinez was in charge the team was capable of a top 4-6 position, or so said plenty on here. When Koeman takes over, we have 2 players that don't want to be here, plus a bunch of bang average players.

The truth is they were never good enough, blame Martinez for buying some of them sure, but average players produce average play. Koeman has a clean slate and if true, has a lot more money to spend than Martinez had, so in theory should produce a much better squad than this bunch.

To be fair though we have a number of players worth retaining in my eyes, Robles, Coleman, Funes Mori, McCarthy, Mirallas, Deulofeu, Lennon, Cleverley, Galloway, Holgate, Browning + other young players who may make the grade. Quite a few are squad players at best though.

We have just bought Gueye of course, but I have serious doubts that Barkley is going to fulfil his promise, I would bite the bullet and off load him as well if we can get £30-40m for him. Not a suggestion that I like making as he's a local Blue, but I've given up on him.

Up to now player wise we are going to be bang average again unless we can sign some serious talent from somewhere, especially if Lukaku leaves.

Jay Harris
207 Posted 07/08/2016 at 16:08:23
Raymond, you defended Martinez to the hilt for 2 years.

Koeman has only been here five minutes – give the man a chance.

He can't just wave a wand and change all the bad habits and lack of fitness created by Martinez overnight.

The squad is littered with internationals; let's get behind them and the manager for a new dawn.

Raymond Fox
209 Posted 07/08/2016 at 16:59:09
Jay, I defended him to the hilt (as you put it) because in my eyes the players were the problem, and I've not seen anything yet to change my mind. As for the fitness argument it was supposition that they weren't fit enough, not fact.

We have Internationals Jay but not what you would call outstanding Internationals, Funes Mori, Coleman I like, Mirallas and Deulofeu are dangerous players when in mood! I'm not counting Lukaku and Stones because I think their gone.

I'm not knocking our players for the sake of it, quite the opposite, but we need major changes if we are going finish up towards the top 8 places. I wish Koeman all the best, I very much hope he make us into a serious contender once more, because this club has the potential to grow massively if we can attract the right players.

Mike Oates
210 Posted 07/08/2016 at 17:32:39
It's the lack of movement particularly going forward from our central midfielders. They all including, Barkley get the ball with their back to the opposition goal and 9 times out of 10 they pass it back where it came from.

Lukaku doesn't make runs into the channel (just watching Leicester, Vardy and the new lad Musa are making constant runs down the channels, pulling out the defenders); we have no movement anywhere from midfield players or forwards. It's just too slow and predictable. Alas Lukaku can't hold up play, his first touch and first pass are useless.

Can Koeman re-coach these lads to use quicker ball, to get it forward, to get runners in? I doubt it.

Sean Roberts
211 Posted 07/08/2016 at 17:51:37
The worrying thing from my point of view is that we still looked a couple of weeks away from match fitness. Now, with the season starting on Saturday, this is a problem.
Bobby Thomas
212 Posted 07/08/2016 at 17:57:30
Mike #210

We don't have a single midfielder that gets beyond the ball or the striker. There's no goals. There's no options.

Oliver Molloy
213 Posted 07/08/2016 at 18:33:59
Barkley will not get away with lack lustre performances under Koeman.
I would go as far to say that this season is Barkley's last chance to prove he is the real deal.

Personally I think he is way overhyped, I really hope he makes me change my mind.

Mata to Everton could happen yet !

Stan Schofield
215 Posted 07/08/2016 at 20:30:04
It was only a pre-season game. They don't mean much, as shown by Barca losing 4-0 yesterday but Mainz winning 4-0 today. Only a few years ago I recall some folks remarking that when we did well pre-season it didn't bode well for the season, and vice versa. What's that old saying, keep calm and carry on.
Andy Meighan
216 Posted 07/08/2016 at 21:58:17
Colin (#192) – Hart, are you serious. The way he performed in the Euros, he's also mistake-prone for Man City. As for Januzai, you're having a laugh. He's got the balance of an elephant on ice. And the stamina of a slug with asthma.

I don't know much about Indi. If that's who you mean, so I'll take your word on him. But the other two... No thanks; we need better than them.

I wouldn't mind Mata. But any big signing now is looking remote with the season only 6 days away. I thought we'd have had at least three major signings in by now.

Ernie Baywood
217 Posted 07/08/2016 at 22:46:12
Yes Stan, I've seen some great pre seasons turn into nothing.

I'd love more signings and hopefully there's still positive movement in the next week.

But the season only starts next week. I'm holding my criticism until there are points to play for. My beloved Everton back in action without Roberto - I can't wait!

Paul Conway
218 Posted 08/08/2016 at 14:41:02
Oliver Molloy (#213), Totally agree, he is so frustrating and inconsistent.

When is he going to become great? Great players learn and develop. He is still learning IMO.

It would not surprise me to see him linking up with Moyes again.

Ian Horan
219 Posted 08/08/2016 at 17:05:47
Guys, we need some perspective. We can offer obscene amounts of money but, if the players do not want to come to Everton, surely we should not be going out and buying players that are no better than we have, just because we can pay them more than their current clubs. Let's just get a grip of our expectations at least in the short term.

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