Moshiri is part-owner of the Liver Building

Buy the shittest place in the best part of town and bring it back to life. Bramley Moore Docks is key to the future success of this club.

Dominance is cyclical and in my opinion, a modern state of the art stadium on the Docks is Everton's opportunity to take back the City.

As soon as the first spade goes in the ground, the groans from them lot will be heard all the way from Norway.

Seems our Mr Moshiri is dead serious, the Liver Buildings could be our new Club HQ once we've got the new stadium.

Can't wait for Jeff from West Derby to come on the Roger Phillips phone-in...

Childishly sings "The birds are all ours, we own your badge, the birds are.."

Oh the joy if he wins that one!

The communications and PR department could be placed in situ and the famous Liverpool landmark becoming synonymous with the regeneration of the Club.

Eugene, didn't EFC project blue imagery onto the Royal Liver at night a few years back? I can't seem to find a photo of that...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4383442/amp/Liverpool-handed-two-year-ban-signing-academy-players.html

What objection could there be to bolting loud speakers to the heads of the Liver Birds and playing the instrumental version of the "Johnny Todd"???

I'm not sure if these pictures are the ones you mean?

EFC Pics

Obviously Moshiri is a businessman first and foremost and he hasn't invested in the building for a laugh or to have a cheap shot at the other lot, but rather to make money for himself and his partners. But it does show that he must have faith in the City and that can only be good news for all of the residents if it attracts others to invest too.

Moshiri is moving in and that is one hell of a marker to show you mean business.

"Lets be friendly, I'll help you if you help me, we can share the city," he says to Mayor Joe. Mayor Joe gestures to the waiter for more champagne.

That stadium is happening.

The city is ours!

It is an investment in the bricks and mortar of the city – and a very iconic one at that – outside of his interest in the club itself.

Together with the proposed building of the stadium on the waterfront, Moshiri seemingly is investing heavily in the regeneration of the city.

Now he evidently has engaged in high level talks with Joe Anderson and Peel. There are grand plans afoot for considerable regeneration of a much neglected corner of the city.

The Arabs at Man City invested in the club with the prime intention of having a presence in Manchester and establishing the city as their UK hub for their Etihad Airline.

I can't help but wonder if Moshiri's sudden interest and investing in our club and the city is preparing the ground for a similar business model, whether that is related to the airline industry or other, from which Everton can greatly benefit in the same way as Man City have.

Intrigued.

"It's one of our own
It's one of our oooown
The Liver Building – It's one of our own!"

Woooaah! Who am I, Tony Hatch?

Now, if we can start using a Blue Liver bird on some of the merchandise of the first club in the city...

A corner office, viewing the RBM as Bramley-Moore gets built.

In all seriousness, it tells me Moshiri knows his primary investment, the ground, is boxed off. That seals it for me.

The fella look like he wants to invest in the City aswell as the footy. Power to him. Geniunely affected by this. The waterfront is part of my childhood. Good times for the city abound.

Deffo first stop for prospective signings!

The bird on the City Coat of Arms, is a Heraldic device, which I presume 'belongs' to the City and the various positions of the wings have specific meanings.

My contact Clive at The College of Arms tells me that a slight 'tweak' to the position of the wings, thus differentiating it from both the City and the stylized rs cartoon shite, would then be described – in Heraldic terms as a 'Azure Liver Bird Resurgent'... very apt.

Just imagine that 40 ft high, all lit up on the river side of the stadium.

That would cause some rs heads to explode... and it would look great too.

My grandad – a Blue – worked in the Royal Liver Building, and he'd have loved this. Well done, Mr Moshiri!

I'm LOVING the Mosh. Go on Farhad. No idea what you have planned next. But, William Ralph Dean, you are making changes!

THIS is the kind of imagination that has been utterly absent for generations. Uncle John must be laughing upstairs.

Maybe Mosh should get Mayor Joe to redraw the city boundaries – Anfield now being excluded and renamed as New Kirkby.

Our time as the "downstairs maid", for heavens sake! Take a strong look at your mentality.

You have been conned and deceived into even considering that the neighbours are first to the table, then we must be grateful for any remains.

Never, ever true.

I think it's another sign of the plans that Mr Moshiri (and probably partners!) have for developing the whole waterfront from the Three Graces to our new Stadium. It seems to me, improbable that Peel Holdings aren't very much aware of his thoughts about how Peel and himself will develop the Waterfront to the mutual benefit of both parties.

If all goes well with the Stadium plans being given the permission to go ahead, along with the concept for the North End redevelopment, then the Liverpool waterfront is going to be a fantastic place to live, work, visit and Watch Everton! I'm with Jay (#27) in that there are great plans afoot!

The great thing about Mr Moshiri is, he doesn't say much about his plans, he just goes ahead and carries em out!

Two further points:

a) about our relative anonymity in comparison to LFC regarding the link to our city. Well, we have a proud history, a great history but...we have been overlooked from those in the football media and LFC have been very clever in linking themselves as "The" representative of the city in the football world. I see no reason why we should not have the city's unofficial emblem attached to our club. I would like to see us leave people in no doubt about our club, it's history and where we come from and if it means having some manifestation of the Liver bird in our badge, I'm all for it if it can be included... along with Prince Rupert's tower of course.

b) About whether Mr Moshiri "puts his money where his mouth is" as some doubtful blues have expressed, I think that within the limits of the fair finance rip off, he will use every means to put our club in a position to challenge for Europe as soon as is possible. That will include, if given sufficient time (say 3 seasons) changing the managership, the board membership, or anything else which is a hindrance to our club getting back to where we belong.

ROFLMAO.

"LIVERPOOL FC have won a court battle which protects the club’s right to copyright over the Liver Bird.

The Reds controversially secured the trademark in 2010 as they attempted to clamp down on merchandise forgers.

But those opposed to the move claimed the iconic Liver Bird was a symbol for the whole city of Liverpool, not just the football club which has the bird on its shirt and crest.

They appealed the decision of the Trade Marks and Designs Registration Office of the European Union.

Alfie Hincks, 47, from Fazakerley, applied to have the decision revoked and gathered hundreds of pages of evidence of the bird as a wider symbol of Liverpool.

But a judgement has now found in favour of the Anfield club once again."

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-fc-wins-fight-keep-3327437

The 'Liver' has always been a cherished part of my childhood when I lived in Brunswick Gardens on Caryl Street where our balcony overlooked the Mersey on the third floor; many were the times me and my mates bought a 'Penny Return' and jumped the Overhead Railway at Toxteth Dock station to the Pier Head where we spent the day just hanging around the city centre, scrounging the odd penny to buy 'faded' apples at the fruit market.

Southdene and Northwood Kirkby was our next stop on our trek to Canada, via Prestatyn, to Toronto in January 1980... but those early days overlooking the Mersey will always be my 'Happy Days' when I (literally) ran around with ''no arse in me keks or shoes on me feet''. COYB.

I've just wrote to Delboy, if he still lives in Nelson Mandela House, because I want to see if he's got any of that paint that he painted his Ma's grave with, in blue!

Typical of the RS the image of the Liverbird was used on a Everton shirt long ago before that rabble appropriated it. I know we are disappointed about how things have gone on the pitch this week but I get the sense that off the pitch we are starting to assert ourselves again, at last.

Obviously they cannot trademark the Liver Bird per se – it exists in lots of places including the original physical design on the Liver Buildings and the council's logo etc.

All that can be trademarked is the particular representation of the Liver Bird on the RS badge, which gets very subtle in terms of trademark dispute.

The real reason they tried to do this (or, the only valid reason they can give in trademarking this successfully) was to stop people reproducing their badge/logo on unofficial merchandise.

They haven't falsely acquired any rights. The image rights they have are a lot narrower than people think.

Thanks for that clarification.

Pre WW1, it was used as a trade mark by the Toxteth Co-op and this was one of their shops.

Its about time we pushed the kopites back into our unwanted stadium.. too long have we been made second class citizens in our city. Well done Moshiri... Thank you.

Rent the badge out to them for an extortionate fee, under the proviso that written underneath their badge are the words.

'Reproduced under license from Everton FC'
'Copyright protected'

Now that would rattle a few cages.

(And we need to make sure it's tightly owned, if not already.)

1. Welcome to the city, home of Everton FC
2. Welcome to the city, home of Everton FC, and another football club

"The thing is, Roger, they won't even look after them birds and another thing, Roger, that building was used during the English Civil War as a morgue for dead Cavalierheads. What is the city getting off Everton for it, Roger? I'll bet it next to nothin'. They don't even own it, Roger, they only own the freehold..."

Would be just brilliant

Capture Koeman.✅
Invest in team. ✅
Sponsor Finch Farm. ✅
Announce new stadium. ✅
Buy Bramley Moore Dock. ✅
Purchase Liver building. ✅
Insidious!
Cerebral!
Amusing. Very, very amusing.

On a serious note this type of investment in the City itself is frightening and Moshiri and his people know exactly what they are doing.

As regards to the whinging LFC fans, fuck them all, we're moving on.

How about "Welcome to Merseyside, home of Everton and Tranmere"?

To me, I will feel more wound up if someone calls EFC "another club" as opposed to not mentioning us at all. But that's just me, I am not kopite. LOL

Three girls in a car singing Beatles songs followed by a trip past Anfield to sing that song with one of the saying "Who do you support", reply "Only one team to support in this city."

Always the same when non-football themed shows are set here – they have always got to get them in somehow.

They won't be able to snub us when we have our ground on the Mersey and every Cityscape shot sees it. I till think Moshiri should bathe the Liver buildings in Blue light every evening.

A trophy winning team would help change perceptions also.

While you are at it, could you and your mates PLEASE buy Everton de Viña del Mar, then a club in Canada/USA and involve Landon Donovan and Tim Howard, one in South Africa and involve Pienaar, then one in Oz and involve Tim Cahill, then one in China and involve Lie Tie.

Get them ALL badged as Everton. Then we open "Stadio Domingo", (credit to my mate Jamie who devised this name last night) we can hold the inaugural "Tournament of Evertons" for the WR Dean Trophy, shaped after Rupert's Tower.

Then after that, total world domination?

Although, winning some silver before we depart Goodison would be just smashing.

Mrs Marty Wilde worked there then before she left to join the Vernons girls. She was Joyce Baker in those days from Huyton. :)

Brings back some memories. :)

I was born and grew up in Petaling Jaya, I assume you know that. I am now residing in Singapore.

What a lovely place that is Penang!

Let me know if you are here.

As a very knowledgeable and successful business man and friend of mine commented when I told him about this purchase – "Real estate is a long term bet - he must be intending to stick around".

I have got a vivid imagination so– I wouldn't be surprised if the next move in the USM game plan will be the involvement of this guy:-

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I reckon we will get our stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and The Bear's son in law will build Liverpool and Wirral waters in conjunction with Peel while Farhad Moshiri watches and directs proceedings from his new UK office.

There is big money about to be spent on Merseyside. Moshiri and his business contacts are just the sort of people Peel needed to become involved.

About time too. The river Mersey is a wonderful natural resource that has been neglected for far too long. The desolate land on each side of the river represents a huge opportunity for anyone with enough money to develop it. We are linked with someone who has that sort of money and vision.

The young architects at Liverpool Uni have already developed a plan to join the two projects - don't be surprised if the proposed tidal barrage raises its head again.

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I am a Birkenhead lad – brought up on the dock road of the West Float. I used to cross the river every day to get to work in Old Hall Street. I love that river – the thought of standing on the deck of the ferry as it crossed the river in full flow still makes what's left of my hair stand on end.

Very exciting times ahead for Evertonians and the people of Merseyside. I'm getting a bit homesick. (Shhhhhh!)

As kids in Primary school we were taken to the docks for a tour. In the 60s, there was still the last remnants of work going on and I remember the smell of sugar, the train lines, the massive dock gates with water ten feet below on one side and nothing but a hundred foot drop on the other as we walked across the gates. This was where my grandad's spent their days when there was work available.

I thought not much of it then, we didn't know it was a dead way of life.

As I looked down I thought on that I had never seen its match in the 50 years since. People will visit such things of great age and wonder at the minds of men who achieved such feats of engineering 150 years ago. Liverpool has treasures we should be very proud of.

Everton are capitalising on our incredible history and so they should, they are part of it. People make much of Goodison Park and it's history. To become part of a greater history, indeed the thing that drove the history of industrialisation, the working man and thus football itself is a wonderful prospect. There is a vision slowly being revealed to us here. And what a vision.

We shouldn't forget the men who provided the muscle either and the conditions they worked in. It's almost seems like sacrilege to fill one of those docks in.

Perhaps our designer will find a way not to do that. We'll be needing a rather large car park.

I do agree though that they are of very major historic importance as Liverpool wouldn't have become the great city it is without them. What a great place to have a stadium on the world famous Liverpool waterfront. I can't wait to see the stadium designs.

This is our chance not only to have an iconic stadium but to dominate, for years to come, the city itself.

Regarding the question of filling in the Dock, it won't be the first as The Liver Building is built on St George's Dock and part of Liverpool 1 is built over the first Commercial dock in the world! If you ever get a chance, go and visit that dock, as they do tours around it. it's the very birthplace of Liverpool. A fabulous place.

I think that the vision for our club is just going to be an amazing part of an amazing story for the North End of our town. I'm sure that the plans being considered will include advice and guidance from English Heritage to show off to the world the proud history of all who contributed to making Liverpool one of the greatest ports in the world.

My father worked in the power station that was in Clarence Dock so I used to go down there a fair bit... and can even remember going on the overhead railway. (Woudn't it be great if a modern equivalent could be built!)

I can remember the liners, The Empress one's especially and the Carinthia, Franconia and loads more, queuing up in the Mersey, taking people for a new life in Canada, Australia and New Zealand for a tenner! The landing stage we had then would knock the current one into a cocked hat. So the ideas are limitless for the history of the area and the people who worked in it, sailed from it and lived there lives by it, to be recorded for posterity, as it should be!

I think now that the liners of today could be docking alongside a brand new landing stage, worthy of the City.

Just a fabulous potential is opening up and... even greater, our club is going to take a proud place right at the heart of it all.

If you pay close attention you can almost hear the tectonic shifts on Merseyside and that's what's scaring the RS shitless.

Your Mum had a massive decision to make, as did so many people from Liverpool, and beyond. Almost every street round our way, had some family or families going for a new life. I think we took it for normal, all the ollers, bombdies debries where we used to play but in reality it was a harsh life for a lot of people.

I think it was Bootle who had the greatest proportion of houses destroyed or damaged in the whole country and it'll be good to see some real chance of more prosperity coming back to Liverpool.

I can't wait for the stadium to be built as it will kick-start the regeneration of that part of the city which was just derelict and sad to see as it was a constant reminder of the city's demise.

I'm living on Merseyside still. Yes, I know about Petaling Jaya but normally stayed around KLCC (Manadarin Oriental or Renaissance). Petaling Street a favourite haunt.

Also like Singapore which I've been to quite a lot, though it always feels a lot more restrictive. Not sure when the next trip out will be.

Every cloud has a silver lining though – the decision to stay has enabled me to attend well over 1,000 EFC games which I would not otherwise have had the privilege to go to. COYB!!!

If we do it right, and here I think Boys Pen Bill has a role to play, then we will put ourselves firmly back on the world stage. We won't get another chance.

It is going, I hope, to be a wonderful reconciliation of our history and our future, for both the North End and our Club. Like you, Brent, I loved it. What a view of our docks and our riverfront... stunning, really stunning. Couldn't believe it when they knocked it down. Who knows though, it might rise again.

Whatever the future holds for our club on the pitch, it certainly is looking a great one off it! I agree, Colin, We blew one chance. We cannot let this one pass us by.

All what you've said of the resurgent dockland and the extension of a world class waterfront. We will be an integral part of a great future.

In the early seventies I was loaned out by the GPO to work for a year in the Liver Building on the Inland Revenue switchboard (no boos please). I travelled everyday by ferry across the river, which was considerably cheaper than the train in those days. 10 shillings for a weekly pass. I know what you mean about the ferry ride, I never tired of the view.

One very foggy winter's morning as we were leaving Woodside, there was an almighty bang, with people thrown off their feet. It turned as our our ferry was leaving the landing stage it collided with the incoming ferry. Glad to say nothing too serious,and we continued on our way.

"I worked on the 9th floor just beneath the towers back in the mid fifties.
Mrs Marty Wilde worked there then before she left to join the Vernons girls. She was Joyce Baker in those days from Huyton. :)"

And went on to raise a daughter that had plenty of hit songs in the 80s under the name Kim Wilde, eg, "Kids in America" 1981.

Later on, as a songwriter and record producer, he was behind a string of 1980s hits for his daughter Kim Wilde.

They can no more copyright the actual birds than we can Prince Rupert's Tower. They are just images we choose to use to identify our clubs, The images used are subject to copyright, nothing else.

Terry#107 – I think you're right. Their copyright is on the cartoon version displayed on their cheap looking badge.

I have another brother who is similar and a third who, whilst being into football, is that most typical of rs who never sets foot inside Anfield but has a 100% record on televised games! Massive contrasts within the same "band of brothers" as I rarely miss a game, home or away!

Dave and Martin – beat that!

Good mate of mine, Bernie ('Barney') McKenna worked for them for years.

(he moved to Jersey years ago, still lives there).

Not the best of conditions and not the best paid but it had its ups and downs.

Tony (114) that's the thanks I get for working my fingers to the bone to ring you up and put food on the table, I can hardly type these letters out as I speak, oh and by the way every switch, socket and light fittings on The Royal Hospital passed through my hands, as I was the storekeeper on the sight, not to mention all the cable and wiring, voted Merseysides Storekeeper of the Year more times than I care to remember.

Your house must have been like Blackpool Illuminations 😀

Martin, no shame in coming 2nd and 3rd to that. :)

I heard the whole street was like that.

You're not kidding – what a small world! The boat then just carried on its merry way, Health and Safety would have a fit today.

When I got the train to James Street on my way to Lancaster House, where the main telephone exchange was situated, I would cut through India Buildings. The arcade was and is absolutely stunning, and I never tired of looking at it.

Usmanov is a massive Arsenal fan but he's also a businessman. If he can see a rewarding deal with Everton, I'm sure he'll at least consider it. The USM Finch Farm deal shouldn't be underestimated.

I've long held the hope and belief that Usmanov is behind the Moshiri involvement in EFC and will reveal his hand in due course but it remains very much a "watch this space" situation.

Like you, I hope/suspect Usmanov will be involved with us;' if it does happen, it really is happy days!

Not sure how this would fit with Premier League / Uefa rules but I've no doubt that a man in Usmanov's position could get round the situation.

Can you imagine how things might be if it ever happened? Talk about dreams coming true!

See my post 57

http://ToffeeWeb.com/season/16-17/comment/talkingpoints/33018.html

I have nicknamed Usmanov the "The Bear" (a term of endearment, Mr Usmanov). Kronke has messed the wrong man about here.

I think the last thing Usmanov will do is sell his shares to Kronke. As you pointed out this would give Kronke a free hand and worst still would be an admission of defeat by Usmanov in the tussle for control of Arsenal.

No – He doesn't need the money and will keep the investment in his family and effectively block Kronke from getting complete control of Arsenal.

In the meantime he WILL find a way of backing Farhad Moshiri at Everton.

Put yourself in Kronke shoes – how would you like that?

We are heading for the big time again.