Everton looking to push Keane deal through

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Everton reportedly want a £25m move for the Burnley defender wrapped up before pre-season starts.

According to the likes of Sky Sports and The Times, the Blues hope to finally get a deal over the line to end a long-running pursuit of the 22-year-old who has been expected to leave Turf Moor this summer for bigger things.

A return to Manchester United (who will get 25% of the fee thanks to a sell-on clause inserted in their deal with Burnley when the latter acquired Keane) ceased to be an option for the highly-rated centre half when the Red Devils signed Eric Lindelof from Benfica, seemingly leaving the way clear for Everton, although Liverpool are still being credited with interest.

Keane, who is reportedly on holiday until Sunday, could be unveiled within the next few days alongside two striking acquisitions — both Sandro Ramirez and Henry Onyekuru are expected to be officially confirmed as new signings once the transfer window officially opens on 1st July.

Everton have been waiting for Málaga to sanction Sandro's sale who have been dragging their heels but the Liga club will be powerless to stop him from leaving when his release clause is activated, also on 1st July.

Onyekuru, meanwhile, is expected to link up with Anderlecht next week where he will be furnished with the No.9 jersey as he begins a season-long loan with the Belgian champions.


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Anthony Dwyer
1 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:13:36
Make this happen and there will be some happy fans including me.
Ben Howard
2 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:14:29
He's a really top player in my opinion and is still improving. It will be a real statement that one of the best young centre backs in the country wants to come here and further evidence of Moshiri and Koeman's 'project' being the real deal.

A very exciting signing and could become the rock of the team for the next 10 years.

Will be fantastic to put two fingers up to Stuart Pearce too. Bellend.

John Malone
4 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:20:10
Better than Stones!!
Phil Jeffries
5 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:22:02
Like Klaassen, we are signing another team's Captain. Koeman not only after new players but a certain 'type' of player. No issue having a team with players happy to instruct and lead.

Pickford is also a vocal one. I like what Walsh and Koeman are doing and a big thank you to Moshiri for making transfer windows enjoyable. :)

Gordon Crawford
6 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:32:03
I posted this earlier:

Stuart Pearce pretty much saying we ain't good enough for Michael Keane and that a top six club should come in quickly and seal the deal. What a muppet.

But Pearce, the ex-England captain, cannot understand why the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United aren't battling to sign the 24-year-old.

Speaking to the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast, he said: “I’ve got to say, if Everton get there before any of the top four, five or six, I’ll be astounded.

"I saw him at the back end of last season and he had grown so much as a player - and I think there is more to come from him.

“If I was one of the bigger sides, I would get in and get there before Everton.

“I think if Everton get there before them they have signed an extremely good central defender that is going to improve and maybe even move on for bigger money when he eventually goes."

Ben Howard
7 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:45:09
His comments were particularly barbed and pointed. He could have sung Keane's praises and said he was good enough to play for one of a handful of elite clubs without being so disrespectful to Everton. I wonder how we've wronged him.
Phil Sammon
8 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:45:38
It's almost a worry that Pearce rates him after his performance as U21 manager. Stick to picking fights with advertising hoardings, Stuart.

This transfer is huge for Everton and, unlike Pearce, I honestly believe Keane would be better off here, starting every week, than over at Man City playing FA Cup games. Williams, Jagielka and Funes Mori had their ups and downs last year. It's an area we need real improvement. Fingers crossed.

Ari Sigurgeirsson
9 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:50:13
Anthony (#1), Mee too... :)
Nigel Johnson
10 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:55:51
Keane will be a great signing and just read the news that Barkley is going to sign a new contract. We just need to resolve the replacement for a top-class striker then happy days.

We might even buy the Swansea player – what a brilliant summer.

Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 29/06/2017 at 01:01:21
Pearce based it around finishing position last season as he said he expected a top 4 team to get him or top 6. I don't think he was disrespecting us on purpose I think he was implying Keane is the type a Champions League team would sign.

All of that being said, Pearce is a spanner so I don't care what he says anyway. Good player if you rate rough houses who can score penalties – for club, if not country. But a complete plum as a coach and pundit.

Bob Hannigan
12 Posted 29/06/2017 at 01:15:14
Let's do it and do it now!
Andrew Presly
13 Posted 29/06/2017 at 01:17:00
It was the way Pearce, who I appreciate must be in at least some way retarded, positions us below the likes of Manchester City and Chelsea in his world view of "big club" status despite him having lived through and played in what surely counts as his professional prime during in the 1980s.

Frauds like Pearce and his natural successor Boothroyd are the personification of the death of English football at international level.

Alex Huber
14 Posted 29/06/2017 at 01:40:14
#9 Nigel Johnson - where have you read Ross will be penning a new deal?
Mark Riding
15 Posted 29/06/2017 at 01:53:37
David Ellis
16 Posted 29/06/2017 at 02:15:34
I think Stuart Pearce is merely reflecting general public opinion on our current status. This is something we need to change. We need a narrative that has us accepted as one of the "big seven".

I do not see Keane using us as a stepping stone. He seems to be more like a Dave Watson type signing. He could anchor our team for years, play for England and be completely satisfied with a career at Everton.

Pearce is wrong. But he reflects general opinion.

John Pierce
17 Posted 29/06/2017 at 03:22:12
I would, based on Pearce's managerial prowess to date ,ignore what has been said. A decent footballer trying hard in second life to stay relevant.

Onto Keane, this genuinely excites me as a signing. A continuation of what seems like a clear plan to strengthen the teams spine.

He has some way to go as a player but looks like that can happen at Everton.

I'd still like us to buy an established full international centre half. The market is tight so it will cost a lot of money but worth it IMO.

Joseph Terrence
18 Posted 29/06/2017 at 03:29:04

The Times reporting a done deal

Fran Mitchell
19 Posted 29/06/2017 at 03:48:00
No Idea if I'm being honest as to his quality. But we need better centre backs.

Now let's get that lad from Fulham as the long term replacement for Baines. Use him in Cup and Euro games and back up in League.

Zouma from Chelsea is another we could make a move for. Or as I stated in another thread, Pepe from Madrid on a Free. A nutter, but a winner. And all teams need a hard nut centre half.

Gavin Johnson
20 Posted 29/06/2017 at 04:01:20
Are you saying that you'd have Zouma over Michael Keane, Fran? I don't see that at all. I've never been impressed with Zouma and the fact that he isn't seriously challenging Cahill would concern me. For me, Keane is better than Cahill or Zouma.
Mike Dolan
21 Posted 29/06/2017 at 04:03:54
Keane will be a great signing for our club. He is the rock that will be the heart of our defense for the next 8 years. We will have a new spine next season: Pickford, Keane, Klaassen, Ramirez.

I don't think we could have hoped in our wildest dreams for such an injection of pure heart. These are men with balls that we are signing.

James Watts
22 Posted 29/06/2017 at 04:11:10
Hmmm, Fran. You serious?

The lad from Fulham. Sessegnon you are thinking of? Just signed a new contract so won't be happening.

Zouma? He can't break in past okish center backs despite being on their books for years.

Pepe? Would no doubt demand huge wages and would most likely be sent off every few games ala Materazzi style.

Keane is much better than you're giving him credit for and should only improve and he continues his development but to prefer those center backs over him? That would be nuts.

Phil Sammon
23 Posted 29/06/2017 at 04:11:18
Pepe? Are you having a laugh? The guy isn't fit to wear the Royal Blue shirt. Absolute scumbag of a man.
Alan J Thompson
25 Posted 29/06/2017 at 05:41:44
Apart from games against Everton, I've not seen a lot of Keane but he hasn't looked like he is that quick. Anyone know if he has a good turn of foot or is he just an old-fashioned centre-half?

As already stated, Pearce's managerial record – as with some many so-called "pundits" – speaks for itself.

Mike Gaynes
26 Posted 29/06/2017 at 05:56:49
Alan #22, check out the replay of Rom's goal against Burnley at Goodison. The guy he turns on (leaving him rooted like a tree) is Keane.

Granted, Rom can do that to anybody, but my feeling is that pace isn't one of Keane's strengths.

Mike Green
27 Posted 29/06/2017 at 06:15:53
Mark Riding (#13) – my new favourite TW post – sublime!

The penny is starting to drop with a few players, if not pundits,m that Everton could actually be quite a good thing.

Big club going places, offering European football; guaranteed starts and future if you're good enough; new stadium on the way with a backer who's going to pay very good money and wants to build a team to compete at the top, give a few bloody noses; prove a point and you might just walk out with some silverware and become a hero.

That's a pretty attractive proposition to many players and there's only so many can be first team regulars for the 'Top 6'. I reckon those who are signing are catching the bus and getting a seat now before it fills up and an orderly queue starts to form.

Our stock is rising, Stuart Pearce.

Michael Burke
28 Posted 29/06/2017 at 06:22:48
I'm new to TalkSport in the last few months. Between Mick Quinn talking in cliches and never finishing off a sentence and some of the dubious 'experts', I'm not surprised by those comments. Nor do I take them seriously. They need to justify their role on the show and one of the best ways to do that is to incite people.

As for Keane, outstanding! Does he need to be quick if his positioning and first movement is always the right decision?

As for Pepe; cheat, egotistical, red card, would be a few words that I would use to describe him. He has no moral integrity. I would question where the club was going if we signed him.

As for Zouma, fast, but has yet to play consistently. Do we recognise him as quick to make up for poor positional play.

Richard Lyons
29 Posted 29/06/2017 at 06:29:54
Stuart Pearce is an old-style grunter whose two brain cells must cause ferocious headaches when they rub together. Don't let his dumbass comments wind you up (as much as they wound me up anyway).
Alan J Thompson
30 Posted 29/06/2017 at 06:33:32
Mike (#23); Thanks for that, I could remember one goal where he was left for dead but not the details.

I would like to see at least one very quick central defender (wouldn't everyone) so that we can push further forward from the back without the fear of being beaten by a ball over the top, eg, Kevin Ratcliffe, which would also allow the midfield to help upfront.

I could be wrong but late in the season it looked like Davies had been told to worry more about getting back than going forward – especially considering how improved Barkley looked when Davies first came into the side.

James Hughes
31 Posted 29/06/2017 at 07:13:52
I think Mark (#13) has hit the nail on the head there regarding Pearce and his footballing expertise.

Pearce has the insight of a rocking horse that has been distracted.

Sam Hoare
32 Posted 29/06/2017 at 08:06:04
My question is who would he be playing with? Williams, Jags, Funes Mori or someone else?

I also enjoy having one super quick centre-back, Joseph Yobo (despite his occasional lapse) is still one of my fave Everton defenders!

Williams may well start the season, though I wonder if Holgate, Galloway or Browning could impress Koeman in pre-season.

Peter Roberts
33 Posted 29/06/2017 at 08:16:15
Can whoever suggested Pepe please take some of their medication and come back when you've come to your senses. If we gladly rip Deulofeu a new one for his diving then why would we want someone five times worse anywhere near our club?

Also factor in that he's nearing 34 and is on his way down rather than up, which is why he's available from Real Madrid on a free transfer.

Alexander Murphy
34 Posted 29/06/2017 at 08:20:38
Sam (30) I completely agree about Joseph. Always found it odd that his three or four errors per season were so readily highlighted, yet we've pocketed a King's ransom for a young centre-half that exceeds that comfortably in a single appearance without having the pace.
James Watts
35 Posted 29/06/2017 at 08:39:46
Sam, I think at this stage it will be Williams 100%. And probably the right call, just.

I hope we sell Funes Mori as I really do not rate him and we get another in. Then, with Jags and the kids, we should be in good shape.

Mike Berry
36 Posted 29/06/2017 at 08:44:21
As for Brazil and Pearce, they don't get it that we are a top 4 side in the making and soon to be in the Champions League.

And remember, players only improve when joining Everton, not when they leave, only to find the grass is brown not green, blue is the future.

John House
37 Posted 29/06/2017 at 09:13:22
I'd like us to jump in for Manolas too, surely we're a better prospect than Zenit? Him and Keane would be a massive upgrade. I would also love to pip Arsenal to Lacazette but that might be bit beyond us at the moment.
Mike Keating
38 Posted 29/06/2017 at 09:25:11
Spot on, Mark @13,

History repeating itself as farce... again!

Why don't you send it to Brazil Nut @ TalkShite Radio?

James Morgan
39 Posted 29/06/2017 at 09:56:58
You only have to listen to how many times Stuart Pearce ends up on Hawksbee and Jacobs (the best show on talkSPORT) clips of the week segment to realise he's not the sharpest bulb in the toilet. He has a tendency to make up weird analogies and even words like "glamourable". Ignore him.

As for Keane, he will be a great signing, akin to us getting Jagielka back in the day. This summer keeps getting better.

Phil Sammon
40 Posted 29/06/2017 at 10:00:58
James (#37),

No way! The Two Mikes is the only show worth listening to on TalkSport.

Kevin Jones
41 Posted 29/06/2017 at 10:14:02
Didn't stupid Pearce play David James up front once or did I dream that ?

Anyone who thinks a child's stuffed toy can make your team play better needs their fecking head examining.

Now where's my "Lucky Lickle Fluffy Bunny"? I've got an exam this avvy.

Brian Harrison
42 Posted 29/06/2017 at 10:59:25
For those questioning Keane's lack of pace, I give you Brian Labone and Bobby Moore – another two who lacked pace. But both were great players, at centre-half positioning and reading the game are more important than pace.

This is turning into a very good transfer window for us – you have to go back a long while since we did our business this quickly. I see the Times are saying Deulofeu has rejected a chance to return to Barca, says he fancies Italy. I would like Koeman to convince him to stay. I know he frustrates at times but so does Mirallas and Bolasie, and I still think he is worth sticking with.

Derek Knox
43 Posted 29/06/2017 at 11:06:19
Fantastic piece of news, if it does materialise.

He's proven in the Premier League and at International level, albeit not for long. He is the right age, and qualifies as a homegrown player. We were being linked with many unproven foreign players for the same amount, or more.

All in all, another good piece of business for Everton, and another indicator, of how much we have progressed.

Long may it continue!

Lee Mandaracas
44 Posted 29/06/2017 at 11:08:33
@James Morgan #37

My favourite demonstration of mixed metaphors ever: "...he's not the sharpest bulb in the toilet" and one only Pearce himself could relate to. Almost like you were quoting Psycho (aptly named lately for different reasons than his on-pitch displays) himself... lol.

Sam Hoare
45 Posted 29/06/2017 at 11:16:09
Manolas would be a great partner for Keane as he's pretty rapid from what I've seen. As much as things are looking rosy, I can't see us splashing £50m on two new centre-backs, sadly!!
Tom Bowers
46 Posted 29/06/2017 at 11:45:42
I think most are agreed that the centre of Everton's defence is a mess at times. Jagielka was class but isn't anymore and Williams is steady but not classy. Funes Mori may be injured but can be erratic when he is selected.

They need some youth with experience and Keane seems a decent choice at this stage as neither Holgate nor Pennington seem centre-back material to help Everton's cause.

Bjoern Haall
47 Posted 29/06/2017 at 11:49:01
Pearce moving from being nick-named to diagnosed "Psycho".
Peter Laverty
48 Posted 29/06/2017 at 11:52:08
Bookies suspending betting on Keane's next club.
Peter Warren
49 Posted 29/06/2017 at 12:02:33
Very pleased if this signing and Sandro come off. Hopefully creativity can be added and Barkley signs – who I'm convinced can still become very good!
Andrew Clare
50 Posted 29/06/2017 at 13:02:19
People like Pearce haven't got a clue about Everton and the size of the club. Regardless of what anybody says, we are one of the big boys of English football. Sadly neglected for far too long.

Once we add two more quality signings to Pickford, Klaassen, Sandro & Keane, we will be flying high again.

I would like to see Lemos and Brozovic come in – two players of the highest quality.

Andrew Ellams
51 Posted 29/06/2017 at 13:04:59
Manolas would be quality but, if he does end walking away from the Zenit deal, we may be behind some bigger hitters in the queue.
Mark Morrissey
52 Posted 29/06/2017 at 13:22:48
Stuart Pearce, a noted punk enthusiast and self-styled Psycho. Yes, this is the man who went on a Bear Grylls survival programme with other Celebrity Melts and started crying cos he felt "out of his depth".

I am always annoyed when supposed professionals talk and behave like amateurs. He is truly dense if he thinks Keane would be better off at Man Utd, Arsenal et al. Does anyone think Stones is a better player having joined Man City? Does anyone think Stones's profile is enhanced by being exposed as he has done?

I truly wish we had Stones and or Maguire (now at Leicester City) alongside Keane with Jagielka in the background alongside Williams on the bench. That's a good looking central defence.

Stuart Pearce: Ignorant clown IMO.

Joe Clitherow
53 Posted 29/06/2017 at 13:39:35
All before the end of June and before the window officially opens on July 1.

Who are you people and what have you done with the Everton I know??

Eddie Dunn
54 Posted 29/06/2017 at 13:53:25
Man City will eventually sell John Stones at a big loss. Keane should look at him and realise he would be better off not joining a team that will not give him game time.

Stuart Pearce was a fine defender but is a first class cretin. TalkShite is knee deep in idiots, with BraziI and proffessional scouser, Mick Quin topping the charts in the dumb-fuck category. Hawksby and Jacobs try to lift the tone but their show is dumbed-down to placate the massed ranks of Twitter-fed cockney reds.

I hope we get Keane but I would be happy if we were in the running for Zouma, who is good in the air and has pace.

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 29/06/2017 at 13:54:13
Michael (#26) and Brian (#49), no argument... I'm 100% in favor of bringing in Keane. Love his power in the air and his positioning nous. All I said was that speed isn't one of his strengths.

For what it's worth, I continue to believe that Holgate will eventually be our other centre-back, and he's cat-quick.

Dale Rose
56 Posted 29/06/2017 at 14:10:06
Mark (#14). It doesn't get any better than that... brilliant! Things I wish I hadn't said.
Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 29/06/2017 at 14:10:16
Stuart Pearce is a failed football manager, who is now part of the media. Like most people in the media, he is not really paid to think, well not when you can toe the party line and just go along with what the majority usually come out with?

He's not talking or thinking like a player anymore and it's probably the reason why he wasn't a very good manager?

But enough about Pearce, because why wouldn't a young centre-half want to come and play for a manager who was an absolute master when he used to play in this very position?

William Cartwright
58 Posted 29/06/2017 at 14:27:15
It is great seeing Everton's transfer policy in action. A key challenge this summer was to lower the average age of the team as there were too many ageing players on the books. In fact, you could say the squad inherited by Ronald was in a real mess.

Combining the last three windows, we have removed much of the past it or not up to it brigade with the incomers making a remarkable shift in the in the squad age.

In fairness to Martinez, he was hamstrung, like Moyes was, but it is really exciting to see the teamwork that must be going on behind the scenes. Ronald has obviously got his Flemish connections, but Walsh's appointment was I think an absolute masterstroke by Moshiri.

Pickford, Gana, Sandro, Onyekuru, Keane, Schneiderlin, Lookman, Klaassen, Bolasie, Williams, equates to about 80% of a potential top 4 quality team, for a capital outlay of approx. £170M.

Consider the sell-off values recouped or likely to be so (Oviedo, Gibson, Stones, Lukaku, Barkley?, Mirallas? Jags? Niasse? Geri? etc.) and the emerging talent (Davies, Kenny, Holgate, Galloway, Walsh, Dowell, Calvert-Lewin, Browning, Pennington), plus the value of the established players likely to remain (Baines, Funes Mori, McCarthy, Besic, Coleman etc.), that is some squad.

Acknowledging we are probably still 2 -3 incoming players short but hopefully to be sorted in the next few weeks then that is some squad, with a young emphasis and hence good market value. All assembled in the process of moving back into European competition.

Somebody is doing a good job, and adding the new stadium into the mix, the debt transfer, the U23s success, and the ongoing commitment to EitC, the People's Club is literally being transformed in front of our eyes.

Thank you, Mr Moshiri, and your hand-picked management team. COYB

Jim Potter
59 Posted 29/06/2017 at 14:50:15
Keen on Keane.

Jags still has the heart but not the legs. One more season – on the bench mostly. He's a blue.

Williams is good, but is he good enough? We could include him in any Gylfi deal and bring in another centre back on top of the Keane deal.

Funes Mori for me isn't up to it. Argentina must be struggling for central defenders if he is starting for them.

Holgate is a centre-back and not a right back, as was clear to see in the U21s. Kenny in at right back for me until Seamus returns.

Tanvir Akram
60 Posted 29/06/2017 at 14:56:50
@Eddie Dunn, I think Zouma would be a good signing, alongside Keane and Williams, if we play a three-man defence. He was great until his injury set him back. His positional sense is not the best, but Koeman can sort that out.
Paul Kossoff
61 Posted 29/06/2017 at 14:58:33
Kieran (#10), Pearce not disrespecting us? His last dig has him saying Keane will go for big money when he goes! We haven't even signed him yet!
Shane Corcoran
62 Posted 29/06/2017 at 15:00:39
Will the Everton fans chant "Keano, Keano"?????
Paul Kossoff
63 Posted 29/06/2017 at 15:02:54
Tanvir (#58), if Koeman is good at sorting defenders positional sense out, why do we have Williams tackling the opposition in their own half and being 50 yards out of position?
Tom Bowers
64 Posted 29/06/2017 at 15:05:08
I think Southgate is as poor as Pearce as far as top class management is concerned. Neither have the character to get success with the big clubs or the England team.

If he was young enough, I would have loved Peter Reid as Everton or England's manager at one stage.

Michael Penley
65 Posted 29/06/2017 at 15:06:28
I'd rather have Keanu.
Mike Gaynes
66 Posted 29/06/2017 at 15:13:33
Paul (#61), maybe you've forgotten (as I have tried to) how catastrophically bad our positional defense was in the final season under Roberto... especially on set-pieces.

Koeman has massively improved us in those aspects.

James Morgan
67 Posted 29/06/2017 at 15:29:12
Phil (#38), I have to admit I do love the two Mikes! Like an old married couple that hate each other but daren't leave!

Lee (#42), I recall him comparing something to spreading like "wild fly". 😐

Marc Hints
68 Posted 29/06/2017 at 15:40:59
What do you think of the team below to start next season:

Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Schneiderlin Gueye
Davies Mirallas

Subs: Robles, Holgate, Besic, McCarthy, Calvert-Lewin, Lookman, Barkley

Ken Buckley
69 Posted 29/06/2017 at 16:10:13
If indeed Keane duly arrives, my fervent hope is that Walsh is scouring the world for our next Kevin Ratcliffe. What a combo that would be.
Dan Parker
70 Posted 29/06/2017 at 16:16:35
I don't think Stuart Pearce said anything other than he's surprised that the teams above us haven't gone for him first, and it's their loss.
Christy Ring
71 Posted 29/06/2017 at 17:13:31
Keane would be a massive signing, and reminds me of Dave Watson: no frills... 'does what it says on the tin'.

I wouldn't mind Smalling for £15m as well, unless Browning or Galloway can step up. Williams is too slow, as is the Jag, a great servant.

Kenny can be a revelation at full back, but we need a left back, and Robertson wouldn't be over expensive.

Paul Smith
72 Posted 29/06/2017 at 17:14:08
Marc (#66), I wouldn't have Mirallas anywhere near my starting 11 he has had enough chances. I can't understand us offering and him signing his new contract. I expect us to sign another striker and would love it to be either Balde (Lazio) or Williams (Bilbao).

I'm liking the look of our new younger team but still feel we need more goals to compensate for the loss of Lukaku. I've a feeling Gueye and Davies could be rotated with Klaassen playing as part of a 3 with 3 attacking players ahead of them.

Derek Knox
73 Posted 29/06/2017 at 17:28:29
Christy Ring @69

Good shout with Robertson. Now that Hull have been relegated, I'm sure he would rather stay in the Premier League and, as in the case of Michael Keane, has proved he can hack it at this level.

Baines has been a great servant, but his age, and IMO his form since the Man Utd transfer speculation, has never been the same since.

Heady times at our club these days!

Nigel Johnson
74 Posted 29/06/2017 at 17:54:39
Barkley set to sign new deal this week? NSNO.co.uk 22:06 Wed, 28 Jun

Alex Huber

This came out yesterday on NSNO – could be (BS) but could be interesting.

James Hughes
75 Posted 29/06/2017 at 18:12:07
Tom – Peter Reid have several shots at being a manager, it didn't work out for him.

They did a fly-on-the-wall piece when he was at Sunderland. His team talk was generally lots of swearing and 'Get stuck into them'.

Tanvir Akram
76 Posted 29/06/2017 at 18:15:57
Paul (#63),

Maybe some people are beyond help or maybe Koeman wanted him to press that high. I don't think positioning is Williams's strong point, tbh.

Rob Dolby
77 Posted 29/06/2017 at 18:18:26
Keane will without doubt improve us defensivley. I don't see too many clubs big enough to pay £25m for a centre half.

Pearce wasn't the only one putting the knife in on talksport, Adrian Clark was saying that we are Keane's level at the minute and then he will move on to one of the big boys.

The only way we can change this perception is to start beating the supposed Sky Premier League big boys and win silverware.

Tom Bowers
78 Posted 29/06/2017 at 18:23:50
Trying to get any Sunderland team motivated would need an act of God never mind Peter Reid.
However, sometimes the shoe fits and in some cases the hard driving approach works. Sometimes the soft shoe shuffle works. It all depends on the squad you have to work with and the tactics you employ.
Just look at all the chances Moyes has had !
Bobby Thomas
79 Posted 29/06/2017 at 18:37:06
James Hughes #75

Bit harsh on Reidy, who was a decent gaffer at Man City when he started out and received a VERY harsh sacking after 3 games one season, for the crime of 3 draws I think.

By any stretch of the imagination he pushed Sunderland forward very strongly, but then ran out of steam and a combination of a couple of bad buys and some injuries did him.

After that, he would just take bad job after bad job. Leeds when it was imploding, although I can understand him having a go at that. But subsequently, mental jobs. I couldn't believe it when he took the Coventry job when it was all going tits up. I saw him linked and I thought, "Don't take it. You've got no chance."

And I knew he'd take it, because he just loves being involved in football. One of his last jobs, maybe the last in England, was at Plymouth. The players hadn't been paid for months and he paid the electric out of his own pocket one day when they turned up to cut it off.

Ian Hollingworth
81 Posted 29/06/2017 at 18:40:22
Marvellous signing and brilliant ambition being shown by Everton.
If us fans can stay patient we may have a brilliant team in a year or two.

As for Pearce comments oh the irony as the question back should be why did you not sign for one of the so called big clubs Stuart?

I can't wait for the pundits comments when we really start to compete because with the young exciting team we are assembling it is coming.

Trevor Lynes
82 Posted 29/06/2017 at 19:00:00
Keane will be fine with either Jags or Williams at the start as he will need an old head to mentor him while he is bedding in. It would be crazy to put two new centre backs straight into the side. Jags and Williams still have a lot to offer IMO.

All these exciting signings are still not fitting the final jig saw piece that will catapult us into genuine contenders. We still need a real play maker and do not say Ross as he has failed for season after season. We need a Hazard, Silva, Modrich, Coutinho type of player and Britain do not make these sort of players in the present era. Every top playmaker is foreign and will cost a lot of money.However, if Rom leaves we will want another top striker besides Sandro who is untested. I do not see anyone available wh can match Lukaku. It is a crying shame he wants away, but he has hung around while we have never signed a top support player for him. Both Barkley and Mirallas have failed to step up to the plate and we have sorely missed Bolasie as he did at least get in the box. Even young Lookman showed more goal intent than Barkley and Mirallas and he is a novice by comparison. Lukaku was shackled by opponents who just double and treble marked him.Surely a player like Barkley or Mirallas should be exploiting the extra space they were afforded, but they hung around midfield and never got on the end of anything.Neither would get a starting place in any of the top six sides.

Marc Hints
83 Posted 29/06/2017 at 19:14:55
Paul (#72),

Yes maybe your right, was just looking at what we have available now but yes he is not consistent enough and I am assuming Barkley is still with us. I like what you're saying about rotating as well.

Maybe we will get more surprises and more players in as even with the four we have (Keane, Sandro, Pickford and Klaassen). I'm still not sure we can cope with Europe, league and cups.

Paul Kossoff
84 Posted 29/06/2017 at 19:35:21
Mike (#66), our defence at times is still all over the place and badly out of position. Baines, Coleman, Holgate, and the worst of all, Williams.

A standard joke in my house is, which defender was blowing his nose on the opposition's corner flag when we conceded?

Most, if not all our defenders are playing at "I'm the striker" during the match. The so called "defensive midfielders" are just as bad. I see no improved structure in the defence since Koeman's been here.

Andy Meighan
85 Posted 29/06/2017 at 19:43:04
I've actually been told that Pearce acquired the nickname Psycho not because of his tough tackling and all-action, take-no-prisoners style. No, it's because he murdered his mother and left her tied to a chair in the spare bedroom of his house.

If you don't believe that, ask any of his ex-Forest teammates, did they ever go and visit him at home? I think you'll find the answer is "No".

Jon Cox
86 Posted 29/06/2017 at 20:25:23
There's only one Mike Parry.

Check him out at his best:


Tom Bowers
87 Posted 29/06/2017 at 20:31:11
Paul Kossoff you are so right. I watched most Everton games last season and was nervous every time the opposition got in our half even before Seamus and Funes got hurt.

I had no confidence with Jags and Williams together who play the same type of game but both not really commanding in the air. Baines was also at fault, being very slack in closing down his man on so many occasions.

Of course you have to factor in the defensive side of midfield, which looked better when Schneiderlin was starting, but tackling back by a few others was lukewarm at best.

Hopefully next season will see a vast improvement in those areas.

Tony Hill
88 Posted 29/06/2017 at 20:43:44
Well, we had the joint 6th best defence last season - same as Arsenal, 2 goals worse than the RS and 5 worse than City. Not too shabby.

Koeman takes credit but so, too, in his ugly and admittedly erratic way does Ashley Williams, I suspect. His stats on clearances were very good and I think we may be underrating his contribution quite significantly.

Anyway, if I were Keane, I wouldn't mind coming in to a defence like ours with a manager like Koeman – no speed merchant himself in his glory days.

James Marshall
89 Posted 29/06/2017 at 20:59:16
Statistics only tell half the story – remember how our back four were constantly hung out to dry by Bobby's tactics?

We have a decent backline, and Keane is a classy centre-half. He isn't pacey, but top centre-halves don't need pace. Look at players like Chiellini, and before him Nesta, Cannavaro, Pannuci, Bergomi and Beresi.

I cite them as I have a love of the art of defending and none do it better than Italian centre halves – pace isn't important, but positional sense and reading of the game are, along with a streetwise ability, timing and calm under pressure.

Keane has those attributes in my opinion.

Paul Kossoff
90 Posted 29/06/2017 at 21:18:30
John (#86),

Mike Parry is possibly (next to Chris Evans and James pigs ear Cordon) one of the most irritable, annoying, obnoxious, prat-like, self-centered, egotistical, headache-inducing twats I've ever had the misfortune to accidentally listen to on the radio!

I'm not well, so don't contradict me! 😋😇

Michael Burke
91 Posted 29/06/2017 at 21:36:55
Marc (#68), why not Lukaku up top? Last time I looked, he was still a blue (Chelsea hoardings excepted)!
Dave Abrahams
92 Posted 29/06/2017 at 21:48:06
James (#89), I always thought Alan Stubbs was a very good centre back who read the game well and organised the whole defence. He wasn't blessed with a lot of speed but, like Peter Reid, his brain was very speedy.
David Currie
93 Posted 29/06/2017 at 22:01:09
Great if Keane comes; now we need one more CB with pace and a new first choice left back. Keep Baines as a squad player, Holgate can be used as a CB, Kenny as the starting RB.

Get rid of Williams, maybe one more year for Jags but only as a back-up. Robertson is a good player and I think he would improve the team.

David Pearl
94 Posted 29/06/2017 at 22:24:04
David (#93),

Unfortunately Football Manager 2018 Is only coming out November time.

I hope we are not wasting our money on all these £25 million players. Whatever happened to Pappi Cisse...

Jon Cox
95 Posted 29/06/2017 at 22:25:01
Paul (#90),

Hope you're feeling better soon mate. Why not try some cinnamon, I hear it works well if you take it by the tablespoon.

Sam Hoare
96 Posted 29/06/2017 at 22:39:34
Who would people rather have in starting XI next season, Baines and Williams?

I'm not convinced either of them would make a top 4 team. I love Bainesy but he's certainly lost a yard of pace that makes him the effective forward marauder and he's never been totally solid defensively...

David Pearl
97 Posted 29/06/2017 at 23:26:19
Would any of our other back 3/4 get into a top 4 team Sam? Would Keane? Err... would Manolas??

I like our transfer activity but not totally convinced buying potential, as we have, at £25 million plus a player.

James Marshall
98 Posted 29/06/2017 at 23:34:52
Dave @92, agreed, Stubbsy was a decent reader of the game, and I always admired him too. Fearless and always got stuck in, though he was no Claudio Gentile. ;)
Don Alexander
99 Posted 29/06/2017 at 00:43:12
If I take a view on the defensive qualities of defenders in any of the six teams currently above us in the Premier League I don't right now see us being, at worst, a gnat's knacker behind two of them.

Those two conceded all but the same number we did. The difference was that they each scored nearly 20 more than we did. If we'd have had their attacks instead of ours it's therefore reasonable to suggest our defensive performance would have improved no end.

But we, and our defence, have had our attack to contend with; unable to retain possession like those above us, unable to provide passing options to the extent the others do, and unable to press to recover the ball on the comparatively rarer occasions they lose it. Compared to the six defences above us our defenders have had to play right under the cosh pretty much every game.

Koeman all but said so when he spoke of the need to sign players more able to be "productive" and "press". Making our opponents worry more about their own defence will obviously ease the pressure on our defence.

Sandro (if he signs), Lookman and Bolasie (if he fully recovers) will rectify our lack of pace and passing options. Klaassen will hopefully be a player consistently able to play those passes we all want, and he with Schneiderlin, Idrissa, Davies and McCarthy should make every other team twitch when they're in possession.

Signing a very good young keeper and no-nonsense centre back is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Still want a gifted play-maker though, and better replacements for Ross and Rom if they choose to go.

Marc Hints
100 Posted 30/06/2017 at 09:00:56
Michael (#91),

I was just looking at what we will probably have, come the end of the transfer window (assuming we aren't buying any more players).

He would be up top for me if he is still here but I think this will go right up to the last day of the transfer window and Chelsea will try and get him cheaper.

Simon Jones
101 Posted 30/06/2017 at 09:34:56
If all these signings come off, will Ross & Rom regret not signing their contracts to play in, what appears on paper to be, a better Everton team?
Sam Hoare
102 Posted 30/06/2017 at 09:50:17
David @97,

Yes, I think Keane and Manolas would get into the RS team and very possibly into the Arsenal or Man City defences. Possibly the Chelsea one too over Cahill. Spurs have two of the best centre-backs in the league and for Man Utd, we'll have to see about Lindelof.

I don't think Baines or Williams would get that close to any of them currently. But then presumably all that was clear from my previous post!

Stan Schofield
103 Posted 30/06/2017 at 10:32:10
Paul @90: My exact thoughts too, and I seem reasonably well at the moment (fingers crossed). Get better soon!
Andrew Ellams
104 Posted 30/06/2017 at 10:37:50
Michael Keane is better than John Stones. There, I said it.
Tony Cunningham
105 Posted 30/06/2017 at 11:20:51
Get Keane and we just need a top striker and I'll be happy. Sure we do need more but I'll be happy come the end of the window that we have strengthened 4 main areas.

Any more and I'll start to get dizzy and worry we may start destabilizing the team with too many newcomers. Especially since I assume Pickford will still have a few weeks off before starting training and the new striker will probably not be bought until the end of July at the earliest (after Lukaku's sale)... but the Club are surprising me, so who knows?

Raymond Fox
106 Posted 30/06/2017 at 12:23:05
Good post, Don (#99),

Any good extra players must be welcome but it's midfield and up front that is our biggest weakness, especially if Lukaku and Barkley leave.

I'm sure the management know exactly that but can't act because of the uncertainty with the two players.

James Stewart
107 Posted 30/06/2017 at 12:47:22
'Keep Baines as a squad player.' 'Get rid of Williams.', 'Baines has lost a yard of pace and wouldn't get near a top 4 team.'

Get a grip. What planet are some blues on! We are talking about one of the best ever Premier League left backs here with the most assists of any defender ever. Baines has never had electric pace.

He is just as good now as he ever was; in fact, he has improved a lot defensively. He had Pienaar in front of him for years which enabled him to overlap. Since then he has played with utter deadbeats in front of him, Kone, McGeady, Mirallas. Any decent left-back would be tearing their hair out playing behind any of those.

Baines would still walk into most top 6 sides in the league. Baines v Monreal – Arsenal, give me a break. Liverpool don't even have a left back. Man City's fullbacks were so bad they just released them all.

Some of the posts on here are embarrassing. We had the 5th-best defence last season and we are strengthening in a way I have never seen in my lifetime.

Alexander Murphy
108 Posted 30/06/2017 at 14:17:56
Paul (#90).

I cannot contradict you in the slightest.

I do want just to add that horseracing gobshite – I won't filthy my fingers by typing his bloody name.

Alexander Murphy
109 Posted 30/06/2017 at 14:21:41
James (#107).

That's a cracking post, mate. Be proud of it, 'cos I genuinely would be, every single word.

Mike Gaynes
110 Posted 30/06/2017 at 14:47:10
James (#107), bravo!!!

Mike Gaynes
111 Posted 30/06/2017 at 14:47:47
The Mirror is now reporting that the Keane deal will be agreed today and completed over the weekend.
Charlie Lloyd
112 Posted 30/06/2017 at 14:53:13
James @ 107,

A case well put. He won't go on forever and we need to be mindful of that so it's possibly time to get in someone like Chilwell from Leicester to lessen the burden of what could be a 50+ game season.

We do need cover there ultimately – either bring in a young one or go for someone with experience who is fairly cheap to assist Baines with the added games this season.

James Morgan
113 Posted 30/06/2017 at 15:17:21
James (#107),

I agree Baines still has plenty to offer, but we should look at understudies to him ready for when he does eventually call it a day.

Chilwell would be a good addition but Leicester would probably charge a fortune, but we've got the money! Feels weird saying that!

Jay Harris
114 Posted 30/06/2017 at 15:17:23

Purely on the recent U21 games, I would have to disagree with you about Chilwell.

Bainesy has been outstanding for such a long time and has great fitness, so he will be a tough one to find a replacement for, but I think we have to be aiming much higher than Chilwell.

Andrew Ellams
115 Posted 30/06/2017 at 15:18:16
It's okay saying Baines has still got it but he is also at the age now where a couple of injuries could accelerate the decline to him not having it. We are desperately short of strong cover in his position. Chilwell at Leicester or Robertson from Hull would be my top choices.
Peter Warren
116 Posted 30/06/2017 at 15:28:16
I don't understand the clamour to get rid of Baines. He is a Rolls Royce of a player.
Andrew Ellams
117 Posted 30/06/2017 at 15:38:05
When Alex Ferguson started to turn Man Utd into Champions, he was ruthless. There was no room for sentimentality and his plan was a long-term one.
Christy Ring
118 Posted 30/06/2017 at 15:38:52
James @107,

I love your sentiment and passion, but to say he's improved defensively, I think you're getting carried away.

I agree with you about the deadbeats in front of him, that's because Pienaar did such a great job covering back. Baines is great going forward, but his Number 1 job is to defend, but he stands off too much, and allows too many crosses into the box, which end up costing us.

Baines has been a great servant, like the Jag, but we need new blood, and Robertson would be a good addition, and not too costly.

Ken Buckley
119 Posted 30/06/2017 at 17:46:34
I think Baines still has plenty to offer but like us all he gets older by the season. I would put forward the case for trying to sign Tierny from Celtic and play him in front of Baines as I have seen him do very well in a left-midfield roll.

When Baines time does come then we have a ready made replacement for left back. Also in this season of Europa League footy they could be rotated. The lad can also play right back/midfield as well so the manager would have four men for the price of one.

Ray Smith
120 Posted 30/06/2017 at 17:55:41
Anybody know the current situation with Chris Smalling?

Get him and Keane in and Pickford might find life a bit easier than last year behind (arguably) the worst defence in the league.

David Price
121 Posted 30/06/2017 at 18:26:45
Magnificent, James (#107), ToffeeWeb''s very own Winston Churchill. Inspiring mate...
Christy Ring
122 Posted 30/06/2017 at 18:44:31
Ray @120

I also believe Smalling would be a great addition with Keane. I think Man Utd are looking for £15m, for a 27-year-old international in today's market a steal, and far superior to Williams.

Jeff Armstrong
123 Posted 30/06/2017 at 18:50:13
Anyone watching Baines play in the second half of last season and think he has still got "it" are deluded romantics, I'm afraid he's finished at the top. Clue: his England Career ended 2 years ago, his Everton career needs to end soon. Let's remember him as a top top player.

Pienaar never covered for him, he didn't need to, Bainsey could overlap and still get back into position without anyone covering for him.

I found it frustrating the way he constantly had to turn back to his centre half, 'a la 'Hibbert style (in his heyday!) when given the ball out wide, rather than bomb on, and it was not always due to the dross in front of him. It was legs, it was lack of confidence in himself.

Tony Abrahams
124 Posted 30/06/2017 at 18:57:09
Great post about Baines, James, but that doesn't mean we can't sign another decent left back now, which I think, is what some people are saying.

I sit in the upper Glawdys Street, so watch the game head-on, and I am constantly in awe of the amount of running that Leighton Baines does. He's had no-one to really play with for years, and so a lot of his running seems to be half of the length of the pitch at speed, both to join the attack, or trying to get back and defend, simply because he never really gets anyone filling in for him, when he does go forward.

He's never been the best of defenders when it comes to stopping the cross (Jonjoe Kenny looks like he does this very well) but I have to agree that Baines, is a really top footballer, and one who I don't think I could get tired of watching when he has the ball at his feet?

Brian Murray
125 Posted 30/06/2017 at 20:22:50
Baines is the same as Coleman at defending, hasn't a clue what's behind him, unlike Jonjoe. Time for a winning mentality instead of said players hiding or bottling it in big games and derbies.

I hope Keane isn't another nice guy Jags. We need winners. If Connolly is not the answer, we'll we need a Champions League left back, not Southampton level.

Peter Mills
126 Posted 30/06/2017 at 20:26:46
I am a great fan of Leighton Baines, I can pay him no higher compliment than to mention him in the same breath as the immaculate Ramon Wilson.

But I do think he is not quite what he was; his ability to close down crosses has declined in particular. I am sure he can, and will, provide good service for another season or two, but we need another left back to augment him.

Sam Hoare
127 Posted 30/06/2017 at 20:38:00
James@107: "he is just as good now as he ever was".

I have loved Baines as an Everton player but that is simply not true.

Christy Ring
128 Posted 30/06/2017 at 21:20:26
Brian @125,

i completely disagree with you about Coleman, he's a brilliant No 2.

Ian Bennett
129 Posted 30/06/2017 at 21:35:02
Baines is a class act. I've often come away thinking he was the best player on the pitch.

He has reduced in effectiveness over the last 2 or 3 seasons. I don't think he was the same after the ankle knock, or the loss of Pienaar ahead of him – he's not had an effective left midfielder with him for years which isn't his fault.

He will remain a big part of Everton but, with 60 plus games next season, we need someone else. We might get away with Kenny on the right, but another kid at left back ain't going to work.

I expect we will go for Hull's Robertson. He's okay, but I think we need better – Luke Shaw for the Mersey millionaires?

Ray Smith
131 Posted 30/06/2017 at 22:25:56
Christy (#122),

I hope you are right.

Pity no-one else has any info/rumours!

James Stewart
133 Posted 01/07/2017 at 00:43:42
Alexander, Mike, David, Tony... Cheers lads, I have never felt such optimism when it comes to our beloved blues than I do right now so am glad it came across.

I completely agree we do need another left-back, two for every position and all that. But, I don't think we will be able to buy someone at Baines's level. It's extremely hard to get any player to join as a second fiddle let alone a top 6 class one. For that reason I don't think we will properly replace Baines just yet.

Just look at the problems Spurs had keeping Walker/Trippier happy, two very similar level players doesn't always work out. My pick for Baines eventual replacement would be Sessegnon from Fulham but he's just signed his first pro contract so he won't be moving this summer.

Regarding the questioning of Baines's defending, I just don't go along with that. Since Pienaar left, Baines is usually constantly facing 2 vs 1 when the opposition are attacking down that side. I don't care who you are, in that situation there isn't much you can do.

Baines is one of the most consistent players I have ever seen; if he's ever the weak link in our team, we've finally got some side out there.

Mike Berry
134 Posted 01/07/2017 at 08:54:49
I think he will become a great centre-half due to his learning apprenticeship at Man Utd and then with the excellent Sean Dyche. A no-nonsense centre half who actually defends, he can play a bit too.

Many of the so called top clubs have missed out here, as they hold this idea that they need a foreign player, untested in the Premier League, at the heart of their defence.

Robert Leigh
135 Posted 01/07/2017 at 10:15:42
This is a great move – and good for Burnley too when you consider the profit.

I have a small soft spot for Burnley, they have a decent manager and operate (seemingly) within their means; they also do very well with youth it seems.

I would like us to use this purchase as a chance to maybe send a player on loan their way – Pennington will be well down the pecking order after this purchase, and already behind Williams, Jagielka, Funes Mori, Holgate, Browning & Galloway, so maybe we can send him to Burnley and get back a player ready to fully replace Jagielka or Williams – or we'll know he isn't up to it.

Paul Birmingham
136 Posted 02/07/2017 at 09:39:29
Spot on, James at 107.
Paul Chaloner
137 Posted 02/07/2017 at 09:57:52
This transfer activity is taking some getting used to.

I haven't been this excited since we signed Dave Thomas and George wood on the same day. Yet, the old doubts stay with me and I won't believe they are signed until I see them in a blue shirt.

We are also buying better players than we have already which is a definite upturn! Keane looks the real deal and we look like competing on something like a level playing field at last.

Dermot Byrne
138 Posted 02/07/2017 at 18:35:05
I just love the idea of Pickford in goal and Keane at the back. The rest? Fuck up at you peril. Needed this for so long and pleased to see an end of the nice Jags niceness.
Mike Gaynes
139 Posted 03/07/2017 at 00:32:03
ESPN reports Keane will be at Everton for a physical tomorrow. Deal almost done.

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