Deadline Day Echo from Everton's Austere Past

Everton’s transfer deadline-day had an annoying sense of déjà vu last Thursday when the window closed without the club being able to land much-needed reinforcements.

Lyndon Lloyd 04/09/2017 95comments  |  Jump to last

Seasoned observers of Everton's transfer deadline-day dealings will have felt an annoying sense of déjà vu last Thursday when the transfer window closed without the club being able to land much-needed striking and defensive reinforcements before the deadline.

The need to sign a goalscorer or target man capable of if not directly replacing Romelu Lukaku then at least offering the potential of a decent enough return to support the Blues' bids to go far in the Europa League and, perhaps, challenge for the top four was viewed as urgent enough that it was almost unthinkable that the window could close without someone experienced being signed to strengthen the attack.

That Ronald Koeman jetted off to Portugal for a break evoked memories of the time 12 years ago that David Moyes spent deadline day on the golf course even though Everton were crying out for another striker with a possible Champions League campaign ahead. But things work very differently at Finch Farm than they did under the Scot.

Steve Walsh's much-vaunted acquisition from Leicester City, coupled with the arrival of Farhad Moshiri and Sacha Rayazantsev have changed the management, recruitment and negotiation structure at Everton to the point where the manager's job is done before it's time to finally close the deals for players.

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Given the speed and efficiency with which the club began the transfer window, spending what could end up being £85m by the time pre-season training started, it looked and felt as though there was a clear plan in place that was being impressively executed. Some even dared to imagine Evertonians with their feet up watching the yellow-tied hype safe in the knowledge that our club's business was safely done.

At the very least, with so much money flying out the door this summer before Lukaku's departure had been confirmed, it was hard to imagine Moshiri would allow the summer to finish in such a partially-baked manner.

Long term, the future is bright but it might not be over-stating it to say that the club's failure to bring in a recognised striker has cut any realistic chances of qualifying for the Champions League this season off at the knees.

That is if you believed that Everton could be serious top-four contenders without the injection of some genuine creativity and pace in the side. Based on the evidence of last season, particularly away from home, it was unlikely but improving on seventh place and pushing for the top five was perhaps within reach with a good summer's transfer business behind them.

As the first few games of the season have demonstrated, scoring was always going to be an issue for Everton, just as it was at times last term — even with Lukaku in the team. Just six shots on target over the first three games of the Premier League season — zero against Chelsea last Sunday — tells it's own story and it would seem that, having shattered the club's transfer record to bring in Gylfi Sigurdsson primarily for his service from dead balls and crosses, Koeman could end up having to play a completely different way without a target man up front.

Sigurdsson would, it would seem, have been a terrific signing to marry with a striker in the Olivier Giroud or Fernando Llorente mould — someone with aerial presence and the ability to hold the ball up. No wonder then that the Blues were linked with both players but lost out on the Frenchman to his girlfriend's desire to stay in London (if rumour is to be believed) and the Spaniard once Tottenham and Chelsea entered the equation.

The failure to add that kind of striker isn't the end of the world but Koeman had explicitly spelled out that was what he is after and there was definitely a case for drafting in more Premier League experience than Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Sandro Ramirez offer.

Along with Wayne Rooney (assuming he can keep his head amid his latest personal embarrassment), those two players will be charged with the responsibility of putting the ball in the net but there will be a general imperative to spread the goals around enough to keep the Blues in top-four contention between now and January when, presumably, we get to do the whole transfer window dance again.

Drafted into the first team earlier than expected last season, Calvert-Lewin has come of age in these early stages of the 2017-18 campaign but a significant burden will be placed on his young shoulders and those of Ramirez in the coming months.

While not possessing a typical centre-forward's physique, Calvert-Lewin's energy, running, and hold-up play so far will have convinced his manager that he can be an important component of the side this season, even if the Dutchman was hoping not to have to rely on a 20-year-old to lead his line.

It's obviously too soon to know how good or prolific he can become but he has certainly shown than he can score goals for club and England youth teams when played in his natural, central position. There has to be much less of sticking him out on the flanks, even if he was the provider of both of the Blues' League goals so far this season.

Sandro, meanwhile, simply needs time — time to get fully fit, time to adapt and time to win over that element of the fanbase, however small, that seems to have written him off already after barely playing three matches. He scored 16 times in La Liga last season, more than Neymar, but he is clearly not suited to playing the lone and isolated striker role that was asked of Lukaku so often away from Goodison in recent years.

He should, in the right system, eventually settle and, like he showed in the friendly against Sevilla, score goals in the Premier League but he will need a partner. Calvert-Lewin would be that partner in a striking duo sitting in front of the No 10 position but that would likely entail Koeman having to make a decision between Rooney and Sigurdsson which he is unlikely to do. That will probably mean the continuation of a forward three and — fingers crossed — more support for the two young strikers and not them struggling in wide roles.

The level of frustration at the failure to draft in a new striker is understandable. The club had known about Lukaku's impending departure for months and had plenty of time to scout his successor. That it came down to the wire and ultimately they weren't able to sign anyone is pretty damning on the face of it but it's the very scarcity of reliable goalscorers that pushed the Belgian's value up to a potential £90m in the first place and also prompted Tottenham to spend £12m on the 32-year-old Llorente. There just aren't that many around… and yet you'd have thought that, with Walsh's network, they could have unearthed somebody.

The same goes for the left-sided defender that Koeman was also after. The lack of a new face in that area of the pitch means that the Blues are a Leighton Baines injury away from a significant problem at left back. Antonee Robinson and Callum Connolly are out on loan (although the former is only at Bolton until January and might be eligible for recall if necessary).

Those two missing acquisitions, while not the silver bullet that could have blasted away the glass ceiling, would have capped an otherwise enormously successful transfer window for Everton. The spine of the team has been greatly fortified with young players that are still some way off their peak and yet look quite at home in a side that could be challenging on four fronts by January and pushing for repeat qualification for Europe.

In Jordan Pickford, Michael Keane, Davy Klaassen and Sandro Ramirez, Koeman has drafted in players who could, potentially, be with the club for the next decade if all goes well. Added to savvy signings like Calvert-Lewin, Nikola Vlasic and Ademola Lookman and further supplemented by the rich crop of young players emerging from the Finch Farm academy and you have a foundation for success at Everton that is pretty exciting. Many of those young players are now out on loan in the Championship gaining valuable experience that will hopefully prepare them to support the first team in the coming years.

Koeman was fairly open when he first arrived at Goodison in laying out a three-year “project” for getting Everton into the Champions League and, while he didn't overtly say so, he saw a rebuilding job on his hands to get there. Just two of Roberto Martinez's signings, Mason Holgate and Muhamed Besic, were in the matchday squad for the season opener against Stoke and neither featured in the game.

There's little doubt that, had Koeman been able to keep Lukaku, the Belgian would have been leading the line this season. The same might have gone for John Stones and if Ross Barkley weren't injured, he would probably have been on the bench at least but the fact remains that of Martinez's “fab four” of Lukaku, Stones, Deulofeu and Barkley, only the last of that quartet remains at Goodison Park and he looks to be on the way out as well.

So, within the context of that three-year plan, things are very much on track but, in failing to sign at least a goalscorer, you can't help but feel that the here-and-now has been severely undermined, compromising Everton's ability to not only capitalise on the chaos at Arsenal and how unsettled Tottenham are in the comparatively unfamiliar environs of Wembley but to perhaps qualify for the Europa League again for next season.

Supporters have flocked to buy season tickets in droves since the spring in the anticipation of big-money signings, entertainment and a season where a tilt at the top-four was more than just a possibility. But it's hard to escape the feeling that Evertonians will be watching much the same fare as last term — a side that is strong at home but which will struggle to win games away from Goodison Park until pace, a counter-attacking threat and a prolific marksman can be acquired.

Can that be done in the notoriously difficult January market? And what of the demanding schedule of League and Cup fixtures between now and then that will largely determine the direction of this season long before the next transfer window opens? Blues fans once again have to be patient. Nothing new there — it's been demanded of them for many, many years.

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Kunal Desai
1 Posted 05/09/2017 at 07:32:06
I think Everton will just finish 7th again, but the points gap between 7th and 8th and possibly 9th won't be as big.

I don't see us finishing above the likes of Arsenal, who are some what in crisis, and Spurs who now play there home games at Wembley. They both have proven goalscorers in their sides.

Difficult to buy quality players in January let alone get in a good striker. Look at it this way – we won't need to buy 8 or 9 players next summer, perhaps 2 or 3 to add to the squad.

It does seem every summer the club is always 2-3 players short of really challenging. For once, it would be nice to have that real go and challenge for a Champions League place.

Chris Williams
2 Posted 05/09/2017 at 08:01:57
During that strange telephone call to Jim White, Moshiri seemed to imply that Bolasie would be back in October, or did I misunderstand?

That could make a difference and improve two of the glaring deficiencies of width and pace, if true and he returns in good health.

He doesn't score so often though, so that is still the major issue for all to see.

Vlasic may also help with pace and width, but he's got to acclimatise first you might think, although he seems confident enough.

It's hard to envisage a situation where the quality of football is going to meet the expectations of many of us, certainly from what's been on offer so far with most of our new signings in place.

One of our issues last season was conceding too many, so maybe that will improve and reduce the requirement for us to score as many, but it feels a bit like clutching at straws.

I'm hoping that once this tough start to the season in both the Premier League (quality) and Europa League (quantity) is done with , and players settle in and achieve full fitness, we might get an idea of the sort of team we have, and how they might play. I'm not sure we know yet.

As always, fingers crossed and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Mick Ord
3 Posted 05/09/2017 at 08:02:21
Good article – as regards a left-sided defender, we also have Luke Garbutt who according to the website is still an Everton player.

He did quite well a few years ago subbing for Baines but doesn't seem to have been considered since then, having had spells on loan and injured. Anyone seen him play recently?

Dermot Byrne
4 Posted 05/09/2017 at 08:24:20
Excellent balanced piece. I think some of the doom mongers have made some decisions on this team and manager before the season has really started. Sure, we need more players, but that will come.
Tony Everan
5 Posted 05/09/2017 at 10:39:23
The nature of this season's demands require striking reinforcement. Calvert-Lewin and Lookman cannot be expected to play every game. For the Europa League and League Cup, Koeman will be forced to use Niasse or Mirallas as a striker to keep some freshness for the Premier League games.

Not what Koeman envisaged; we can live in hope though that these two players can make important contributions.

Steve Carse
6 Posted 05/09/2017 at 10:51:00
Tony, there's absolutely no chance of Niasse ever playing under Koeman.
Brian Harrison
7 Posted 05/09/2017 at 11:15:17
I was as critical as most on our lack of striking options leading up to the window closing. But it's closed now so I think, instead of bemoaning the lack of strikers, we need to move on, we have what we have till January. I am sure there are very few managers in the Premiership who got all their targets; yes, Koeman will be disappointed with us not getting another striker but that's football.

I think Calvert-Lewin has really surprised all of us as he has come on leaps and bounds during the last couple of months, and Sandro said that against Stoke he injured his ankle so he will need a bit of time to settle in.

Hopefully before the next window, both Seamus and Yannick will be back playing again in some capacity. This will certainly enhance our attacking options, and by this time we can see how much Calvert-Lewin and Sandro have coped.

John Pickles
8 Posted 05/09/2017 at 12:22:09
To attract a top striker, you need to be playing in the Champions League. However, it's near impossible to get to a Champions League spot without a top striker.

I thought the club were waiting to confirm a Europa League group place so that they could attract a good striker that would at least push us on, but no.

Jim Wilson
9 Posted 05/09/2017 at 12:25:00
Great summing up of the situation, Lyndon. I would just like to add that the main problem now is Koeman's negativity and constant team changing.

A positive 4-4-2 settled team is what I want. What was the point in signing all those flair players in the summer to just roll out 3 central defenders and a defensive team against Chelsea, which yet again didn't work?

James Morgan
10 Posted 05/09/2017 at 12:26:09
Great article, Lyndon.

Brian, fair point about Coleman and Bolasie coming back into the side by Christmas. Those two plus Lookman and Vlasic (despite us not knowing his true quality yet) should provide us some pace on the break away from home.

I was disappointed to say the least to not get a Giroud or Benteke, but maybe Unsy can tell his charges it's a great chance for them to show their worth and look at Calvert-Lewin for inspiration.

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 05/09/2017 at 12:38:31
Great article, Lyndon.
Dennis Stevens
12 Posted 05/09/2017 at 12:39:37
Walsh may, at this very moment, be scouring the football world for just the right man – who happens to be out of contract, of course!
Paul Newton
13 Posted 05/09/2017 at 12:48:12
I am rather concerned at Ronald Koeman's inflexibility when dealing with certain players. It seems likely that Barkley's problem is his relationship with the manager. It is good for Koeman to be demanding but you have to employ some psychology when dealing with certain characters, and it doesn't look as if Koeman is very good at it.

Likewise Mirallas – I know he is prone to sound off when things aren't going his way, but again, a manager who understands what makes different characters tick could perhaps be more successful at getting the best out of him without provoking such a negative reaction.

And as for Niasse, at a time when we need all the attacking options we can get, Koeman has shut the door on him and it is probably his pride that prevents him from giving the player an opportunity.

While I think there is much to admire and value in Koeman as a manager, I see this lack of understanding and flexibility as being a shortcoming which could unfortunately cost us.

Sam Hoare
14 Posted 05/09/2017 at 13:28:35
Dennis @12: enter Cheick Diabate...
Andy Meighan
15 Posted 05/09/2017 at 14:54:37
Jim (#9)...

What flair players???

Rob Dolby
16 Posted 05/09/2017 at 15:09:05
Lyndon, Good summary of events. The main thing from my perspective is that, with our new found wealth and potential ground move, I actually thought that we were back in with the big boys.

Moyes's "knife to a gunfight" and Roberto's blue-sky thinking well and truly a thing of the past now that we have a very straight-talking former world class player as our manager, and a rich benefactor.

The Neymar signing for PSG and its knock-on impact have moved the goalposts again out of our reach. Man City being rebuked with a £70M bid for a player in the last year of his contract; Barcelona struggling to sign unproven players for over £100M when we sold our best striker for £90M to a rival. The landscape is indeed changing and it looks like we are still treading water.

Brian Harrison
17 Posted 05/09/2017 at 15:47:16

Talking about the landscape changing, I think we will find that, in 2019, it will change even more when the new Sky overseas deal is negotiated.

I was listening to a journalist the other day saying that he believes that the top 6 will no longer be happy for all the overseas money to be shared by all of the 20 Premier League clubs. He says they will argue that its the top 6 sides who attract overseas money, and they want the distribution of that money to reflect that.

He says that if the Premier League don't agree to what they want they will pull out and do their own deals. Which no doubt will mean a much bigger pot for the top 6 and a greatly reduced pot for the other 14 clubs. He didn't actually say who the top 6 are but I can imagine it will comprise of the teams who finished in the top 6 last season.

Stan Schofield
18 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:14:43
Rob, Brian, spot on. Because of the rapidly changing landscape, it's quite difficult to be patient about progress.

By this, I mean unless we get significant improvement quickly, rather than patiently waiting another two years before expecting to be in the Champions League, we can be left behind.

That's a general thought, but on specifics, for example we could have kept Lukaku, on the basis that his value to Everton over the next two years could well have exceeded the price received from selling him now, and it would have been a big statement that we are indeed financially powerful, – both important factors in attracting increasingly better players.

Especially in addition to the signings we've made, it would have been a real signal of fairly rapid progress, or at least substantial intent towards that. But we didn't do that, so it's difficult to see clearly a path to improvement that won't get bypassed by the changing landscape.

Phil Walling
19 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:37:38
Had we got that striker in, we might just have clung on to 7th spot. As it is, we may once again have to lower our ambitions and settle for halfway.

I'm betting we'll be in a new stadium before we 'crack the top-six ceiling'.

Steve Ferns
20 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:38:54
The transfers in over the last 15 months that we haven't discussed as much are as follows:

7 Jul 2017 Josh Bowler Queens Park Rangers £1.5m
5 Jul 2017 Boris Mathis Metz No Fee
30 Jun 2017 Henry Onyekuru KAS Eupen £6.8m
5 Jan 2017 Ademola Lookman Charlton Athletic £7.5m
31 Aug 2016 Dominic Calvert-Lewin Sheffield United £1.5m
1 Jul 2016 Bassala Sambou Coventry City No Fee

I got the above list off our transfer page, but it doesn't include the new lad from Fulham. Then there is a list (my own) of the best academy players (playing at U23 level):

Matty Foulds
Jonjoe Kenny
Liam Walsh
Beni Baningame
Kieran Dowell
Callum Connolly
Antonee Robinson

If you want to break into the top 4, but you don't have PSG money, because Man City money is not enough anymore, and you want to work within FFP, then you have to sign the best talent at a young age.

The signings we have made, particularly when you see Calvert-Lewin making progress in the first team, before our very eyes, gives me hope that we can do this. The success of the England U20s with 5 Everton players, and a sure fire 6th in Liam Walsh missing out due to injury, and Tom Davies who was left out for obvious reasons.

I hope the manager works with Unsworth to bring these guys through, if good enough, and having had 8 Englishmen on the pitch in a few games now (not including Barkley who could have made it 9 or Ashley Williams who is actually English and not Welsh), I'm optimistic.

Dermot Byrne
21 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:45:40
Well said and good to remind us of that. In danger of perspective!
Alan J Thompson
22 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:52:57
Brian (#17);

Does it matter anymore as to whom the fixtures belong? If so then it might not be quite so easy and I wonder if any deals done last year are for quite a few years. Then again, I don't know if any Premier League teams can/are allowed to sell their own games by subscription, either at home or abroad.

James Hughes
23 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:58:28
That is very optimistic for you, Phil. I am still waiting for earth to be dug before I believe the new stadium will happen.
Tony Abrahams
24 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:59:13
Gotta hold on to the kids, though, Steve. Wenger has constantly brought players through at Arsenal but, unless your team is going to be challenging for the major honours, you will always lose your better players.

I think it depends how far we go in the Europa League, which will determine how well we do in the Premier League, Phil, because I don't think our squad is big enough to be challenging for Europe in both.

I do expect things to change now the window has closed, because surely Koeman can't keep boring us forever... and now all the forward players are his signings, then a shrug of the shoulders will no longer be enough for most fans.

Gary Edwards
25 Posted 05/09/2017 at 17:29:43
Tony (24) Koeman should not be afraid to use the U23 talent. Those outside Everton laud him for giving Davies, Holgate and now Calvert-Lewin a game hail him for giving youth a chance etc. the truth is that he seems a bit slow to embrace the riches we have in the youth ranks quite possibly because it's at odds with his 3-year plan.

IMO therein lies the problem, Koeman's limited tenure. Given the mess of a team that he inherited, Champions League in 3 years was always going to take a mega investment in ready, proven talent ... or he would get lucky like SAF and Finch Farm would give him his very own 'class of '92'. Now we're betwixt and between as Moshiri seems not to want to splash the cash that's required and Koeman seems not to trust his luck.

I still dare to dream of a return of the halcyon days of the mid 80's realistically Koeman will leave Everton in 21 months and achieved no more than Martinez.

Great article, Lyndon.

Joe McMahon
26 Posted 05/09/2017 at 19:30:53
I really think it was a mistake Galloway being loaned out.

How many more goals are going to be conceded by Baines turning his back on shots and not stopping crosses coming into the box? Good player in his day, but IMO his day ended 3 years ago.

Steve Ferns
27 Posted 05/09/2017 at 19:40:06
Gary, #25, I completely disagree that Koeman inherited a mess of a side.

This is the side he inherited:

1 Joel Robles (age 27)
24 Tim Howard (age 38)

2 Tony Hibbert (age 36)
3 Leighton Baines (age 32)
5 John Stones (age 23)
6 Phil Jagielka (captain) (age 35)
23 Séamus Coleman (age 28)
25 Ramiro Funes Mori (age 26)
27 Tyias Browning (age 23)
30 Mason Holgate (age 20)
32 Brendan Galloway (age 21)
38 Matthew Pennington (age 22)

4 Darron Gibson (age 29)
8 Bryan Oviedo (age 27)
12 Aaron Lennon (age 30)
15 Tom Cleverley (age 28)
16 James McCarthy (age 26)
17 Muhamed Bešić (age 24)
18 Gareth Barry (age 36)
20 Ross Barkley (age 23)
21 Leon Osman (age 36)
22 Steven Pienaar (age 35)

9 Arouna Koné (age 33)
10 Romelu Lukaku (age 24)
11 Kevin Mirallas (age 29)
14 Oumar Niasse (age 27)
19 Gerard Deulofeu (age 23)
28 Leandro Rodríguez (age 24)

Now the ages are the ages now, not 14 months ago. Of course, Howard and Pienaar were retiring or leaving. Stones was being sold, and Lukaku was looking to leave. Also the morale was at rock bottom, but new manager excitement would cure that for the short term.

Now consider that Martinez got 72 points, the 4th most we have ever got (all-time, not just Premier League), and the only players missing from the above who played in that glorious season are Distin, Mirallas, Osman, and Jelavic. I will also give you that Howard, Baines, Jagielka, Barry and Pienaar were considerably worse. Barry was a massive part of that first season but, other than that, are you telling me Martinez was such a genius that he took Moyes side, and added Lukaku and brought through Stones (who only started 15 league games) and Barkley and suddenly made us challengers for the top 4?

Of course Martinez is not a genius. The reality is that was a good side, a very good side, one that deserved to be 7th at least. And Koeman inherited a side that needed to replace Stones (he bought Williams), Howard (he bought Stekelenburg), Barry (Walsh brought in Gueye), and he still had plenty left over from the Stones money and from Moshiri's riches. So, was it really a mess? Or is Koeman just getting an easy ride because of how badly Martinez cocked things up?

John G Davies
28 Posted 05/09/2017 at 19:49:20
Less than 50% of them still playing in a top division in Europe, Steve.
Steve Ferns
29 Posted 05/09/2017 at 19:55:48
Coleman, Jagielka, Funes Mori, Baines
McCarthy, Barry
Lennon, Barkley, Cleverley

Should have still got 7th, and that's without spending a penny of the Stones money, the TV money and whatever Moshiri made available. Walsh was coming in regardless and he signed Gueye, and Unsworth / Martinez had agreed the Calvert-Lewin signing. That side will have still got 7th.

Tony Abrahams
30 Posted 05/09/2017 at 20:10:11
Dead easy on paper, though, isn't it, Steve?

It's a squad game now, especially if your team is playing in Europe, and until we fatten it out with more quality, then I'm sure it's just going to be more of the same...

Steve Ferns
31 Posted 05/09/2017 at 20:13:30
It's not the mess people make it out to be though, Tony. That was a good side. The side that got 5th is the best Everton side I have seen, although I won't count 85 and 87 in that as, although I have been going the game since '84, I won't count what I saw under the age of 13.

Koeman is not inheriting a proper mess like Moyes did. He had a good side that was dramatically under-achieving by finishing 11th! Surely, it follows that the side should be at least 8th, or why the hell did Martinez get sacked?

Stan Schofield
32 Posted 05/09/2017 at 21:09:34
Steve, I agree. When Martinez was sacked, I believe we had a very good squad. They were just very badly organised by Martinez: bad management, bad tactics, very low morale.

The players looked like they went on strike. That's why Baines said what he said about 'chemistry'.

It's clearly not easy to find a really decent manager who can inspire and organise players effectively.

Chris Leyland
33 Posted 05/09/2017 at 21:29:26
Steve – Koeman didn't inherit a good side. He inherited a shambles after two back-to back bottom-half finishes.

They were unfit. They were disorganised. They were demotivated. The home form was nothing short of shameful. To simply state that they would have got 7th regardless of the 24 months of shite that had gone before is disingenuous.

I assume that you also believe that Leicester will finish no lower than top 3 this season? Afterall, they did win the league only 15 months ago.

Grant Rorrison
34 Posted 05/09/2017 at 21:35:12
That squad isn't that impressive. There's a lot of young players of dubious talent and a bunch of past-it players that left the summer Koeman arrived. You can just about put a half-decent first eleven together. Doesn't make it a good squad.

Last season, we were more or less where we should be and but for a few defensive calamities, would have been, in Martinez's last season.

How much Koeman has improved the squad this summer will become clearer as the season progresses. From what I've seen so far of some of his signings... not much. :(

Steve Ferns
35 Posted 05/09/2017 at 21:42:46
Leicester didn't finish 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th, 5th.

The side was pretty much unchanged except for those few additions. It was a very good side and finished 5th because it was that good.

All that was gone from the side was a fading Barry, Osman who had been a bit part player, same for Pienaar, Howard who hardly produced any Man of the Match performances, and Distin.

So either Martinez was a genius, or it was a decent side?

Drew O'Neall
36 Posted 05/09/2017 at 22:17:39
Should have pulled the plug on the Lukaku deal after we got the new signings in and let him go for the same money in January.
Raymond Fox
37 Posted 05/09/2017 at 22:22:20
I think the best way to compare how good a squad we have at any one time is to say would you swap our squad for theirs.

Chelsea yes.
Utd yes
Spurs yes
City yes
Them yes
Arsenal probably but not clear cut.

Drew O'Neall
38 Posted 05/09/2017 at 22:46:21
No, you can put a resounding 'Yes' next to Arsenal too, Raymond.
Raymond Fox
39 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:02:21
Okay, Drew, I was being kind.
Peter Mills
40 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:04:20
Rational as ever, Lyndon. I have not yet given up on Ronald Koeman, I have been hopeful having a man of his footballing stature at the helm, but he has hardly covered himself in glory since he has been our manager.

I hope he doesn't hide behind the club's failure to land a centre-forward. Between the end of the Chelsea game and his forthcoming press conference for the Spurs game, he will have been paid about £200k – he needs to start earning it.

Things I would like to hear from him are:-

"I hoped we would sign a striker. We haven't. Okay." (Please look enthusiastic here, rather than shrugging shoulders.)

"It's my job to coach the excellent attacking players we have to score the goals we need to win matches."

"Ross Barkley will be considered for selection as soon as he is fit. We will talk with him, and then look at his contractual situation. That's enough about that for now."

"Wayne Rooney has been very foolish, and has not set the example to our young players I hoped he would. He has let the club down, and will apologise for doing so."

Then, I would like him to send out a side set up to beat Spurs. If he chooses to select 7 defensive players as he normally does that might be tough but, even so, 7 plus Rooney, Sigurdsson, Calvert-Lewin and Lookman could do it.

Ian Pilkington
41 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:24:47
Brian @17

The top six clubs cannot pull out of and create their own deals for overseas TV money in 2019 as your journalist predicted because the Premier League requires a majority of two thirds to make any changes to its constitution.

David Johnson
42 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:53:50
People from inside the club, journalists and fans have hinted that Everton have big money. Our chairman along with Moshiri have said nothing to dispel this so expectations have naturally grown.

Kenwright's continued involvement, along with Moshiri's annual bizarre deadline day comments give an uneasy impression, to me at least, that nothing has changed and we are still a crackpot club. It's always season tickets today and jam tomorrow. It's always ring fenced. There's always big plans when in reality all we can see is blue cladding and loan deals.

What is the project? As far as I can see, it's to continually sell our best players to provide the illusion of a transfer pot while screwing the council for commonwealth games money and infrastructure while trousering the huge TV money. Things have changed but not enough for me.

We finished 7th last year but we're light years away from where we should be. The shite would have run Kenwright out of town – and we call them gobshites.

Kim Vivian
43 Posted 06/09/2017 at 08:33:01
Raymond (37) – you could also ask if any of those clubs could have a free hit at say any two of our players, would they choose to?
Eddie Dunn
44 Posted 06/09/2017 at 08:33:18
Stan (#18). I have heard similar talk on the radio recently. There can be no doubt that the so called big boys are unnerved at the spending power of the other teams dining at the top table.

There will be people seeking to keep the status quo and as we have found out over the years (when we helped to instigate the Premier League) things change. Nothing lasts forever and we need to keep the pressure on the top six.

At the end of the day, the teams above us will be doing everything to prevent another "Leicester" from happening.

Denis Richardson
45 Posted 06/09/2017 at 08:40:51
Good article, Lyndon – forgetting about the obvious striker issue, I think a few of us are still completely amazed we don't have a back up for Baines. We've been really lucky he hasn't picked up an injury in the last couple of years.

We've got 6 games coming up in the space of 19 days and I'm a bit concerned if Baines can take that so early in the season given he's not far off 33. Last thing we need is for him to get injured and I can't see how Koeman can easily rotate to rest him. Almost all the other positions we can rest people but we don't have another left-back in the squad.

Otherwise I don't think the squad is as bad as some people make out. We have a back 5 to match almost any side above us and our central midfielders are very decent. We just lack the usual pace and width up top. Hopefully Mirallas and Lookman can step up.

Also, the one stat that surprised me in the article was that we only managed 6 shots on target in the opening 3 league games. This is not a new issue and one that really needs to be sorted out. We simply don't shoot enough and have had far too many games where we don't even test the 'keeper.

Not 100% sure where Rooney's supposed to fit into the side as Sigurdsson really needs to play through the middle. But as we have loads of games coming up, he won't be able to play 6 games in 19 days anyway.

It's going to be a tough September, fingers crossed we can scrape together a few results and then kick on from there.

Dick Fearon
46 Posted 06/09/2017 at 09:01:09
David J @ 42, speaks truly in saying RS fans would have run the likes of Kenwright out of town years ago.

The other lot suffered a similar but short interlude of bullshit from their owners but they responded with marches and mass demonstrations with pipes and drums through the city centre. They wore explicitly worded T shirts by the thousand while newspapers and talk-back shows were overloaded with their complaints.

While all that was going on, Evertonians who were ‘born not made' and ‘worth 20 times more than each of them' foolishly believed they were a part of a "People's club" while the directors not one of whom had put a penny of their own money into the running of the club first of all failed us over Kings Dock then told us that Kirkby was the only option for our future.

Oh' what fools we were to accept without meaningful protest all those regular loads of tripe they dished up.

Under Moshiri we have a chance of reaching for the stars and to live up to our motto. Don't let it slip!

Stan Schofield
47 Posted 06/09/2017 at 09:32:15
The trouble with Everton is, there's always a lot of big talk, both from the owners and management on our long-term aspirations, and from players telling us how hard they'll try next time after we've performed badly.

This is like 'Peter cried wolf', and it's well past the stage of lacking credibility anymore. Everton raise us up, then let us down, whilst securing season ticket sales.

Everton's bark is much bigger than its bite. What we'd like to see is a bite that's much bigger than the bark.

Andy Meighan
48 Posted 06/09/2017 at 10:12:26
Peter (#40), Wishful thinking there, I'm afraid.
Kevin Gillen
49 Posted 06/09/2017 at 11:07:21
I suppose we all can't wait to hear how Koeman presents himself at the pre-match press conference. I bet he will be his usual conservative, stoic self.

What is really needed however is an excellent result against Tottenham and most of the conjecture about transfers, the shortage of willing and able bodies in the squad and the off-field antics of the players will disappear.

You can only pick eleven to play on the pitch at any time and much of the expressed disappointment is about back-up players, not the first XI. I see some logic and progress in the management and ownership of the club but not the revolution we hoped for.

I still think that our best hope of a successful future lies in the success of the Academy and in the players who are already at the club, not a Fantasy XI. A good, never say die team spirit and incremental progress might propel us into another European campaign and some excellent cup runs.

I live in hope and it could be worse – imagine being an Arsenal fan right now, they most likely will finish above us and that will still be thought of as a disaster.

Rick Tarleton
50 Posted 06/09/2017 at 11:34:23
Great and cogent article, Lyndon. I, like most on here, think we'll be pushed to challenge the top six. I rather worry that Koeman and Walsh spent the best part of our transfer kitty on three players who all seem to be vying for the same position.

I also wonder how Galloway and Garbutt fell out of favour so quickly when they were allegedly so promising such a short time ago. I hope that Davies isn't marginalised and is developed rather than left to sit on the bench, playing int he League Cup and the less important Europa matches.

Koeman seems to very much want his own men and not the ones he inherited; this is understandable, but it has cost us Barkley and I fear that Davies and Kenny will suffer a similar fate.

Martin Nicholls
51 Posted 06/09/2017 at 11:55:39
David Johnson (#42) – I don't disagree much of what you say but you are the latest of a number of posters who accuse a person or persons unknown of "trousering" the TV money.

I assume the inference to be that money is being extracted from the Club by persons other than the usual paid employees (ie players, management and administrative staff etc). If my assumption is correct, would you care to say exactly who in your opinion is "trousering" the money and exactly how it reflects in annual accounts?

John Raftery
52 Posted 06/09/2017 at 12:00:08
Rob (#16) If we were taking knives to a gunfight during the Moyes reign I don't know what we have been taking in the subsequent four seasons: something nearer to white flags if the 4-0 and 5-0 humiliations at Anfield and Chelsea are anything to go by.

Despite all the comings and goings and money spent on the squad, we still can't manage to win away at a top four club. The 1-0 win at Old Trafford in 2013 was against a Man Utd team outside the top four and in need of major overhaul.

The fact is we can hardly win away at any Premier League club these days. By the time we play United next week it will be two league wins away in twelve months. That is relegation form, a fate spared us last season by a very good home record.

The failure to replace Lukaku with a comparable talent is no surprise. A player of that quality will generally only consider a Champions League club, whatever money is on offer. However, the failure to recruit anybody for that position is not only a surprise but also a considerable disappointment, especially as the manager had highlighted it as a requirement in the last week of the transfer window. It will be interesting to see how he handles the inevitable questions about that failure at this week's media conference.

As it is, Mr Koeman must now make the best of what he has available. There were times last season when he failed to do that and the jury remains out on his ability to persuade the squad to deliver more than the sum of its parts.

Liam Reilly
54 Posted 06/09/2017 at 12:08:07
Brian (#17)

Paraphrasing but: "If the Premier League don't agree to what the Top 6 clubs want, then will pull out and do their own deals."

No they won't; not unless they just want to play each other every week in their own breakaway league. That will get tiresome very soon.

Dan Brierley
55 Posted 06/09/2017 at 12:36:00
I guess the striker thing is a conundrum. The ones we wanted were not available for whatever reason, so there was a choice to be made.

We could have compromised and bought a Benteke type forward who will get you 10-15 goals, knowing they will expect a 3-year deal. This will eat into your transfer/wage budget, reducing what you could spend on your preferred striker. Or you decide instead to save cash, and invest effort and faith into Calvert-Lewin as a regular first team player, rolling the dice on whether or not he gets the 10-15 goals.

I personally appreciate that the club didn't bring in someone just for the sake of it, as I think we should wait until we can get the right man, and at the same time give Calvert-Lewin the opportunity to grow as the lad clearly has potential.

It's hard to admit it at this early stage, but I expect this to be a season of transition as opposed to a season where we immediately go and challenge the top six.

Brian Murray
56 Posted 06/09/2017 at 12:43:31
Firstly, Rooney's signing was by a club with absolutely no vision, swayed by a romantic blubbering chairman.

Secondly, part of the reason is this so-called super scout, Walsh, still thinks he's at a coy Leicester and can unearth the odd kid or two... plus Koeman is now showing himself to be totally average at best and yet another 3 years wasted after the other two inept clowns before him.

Please don't anyone say Moyes steadied the ship. A loser club that I believe could never ever handle success or even wants it. Coyb? Yeah, right...

Myles Foley
57 Posted 06/09/2017 at 12:46:08
There is only one question to be asked: Do we have a stronger squad this season? I think we do.
Brian Harrison
58 Posted 06/09/2017 at 12:52:39
Liam (#54),

This is something a journalist was saying on TalkSport the other day. I presume they are putting pressure on the Premier League for the deal to represent that its the top 6 teams that attract the foreign audiences and not the rest. I think they have a valid point why should the money be spread to all 20 clubs when its the top 6 that are generating the money earned.

I personally can see a time when there is a European league, which will possibly replace the Champions League. This is something that the top European sides have talked about before.

I think the problem is what happens to a club that is always at the bottom of that league – how can they be reintroduced to their own domestic league. Also how do you get promotion and relegation or would everybody be in it for a fixed term say 5 years then maybe the club with the fewest points would leave.

But the problem is where do they go? I am sure the domestic league they came from wouldn't welcome them back with open arms.

Steve Ferns
59 Posted 06/09/2017 at 12:54:50
Liam Reilly (#54), but the biggest worry for the long term future is that those six clubs do breakaway. Now you assume they will play each other. No, you're not thinking big enough.

Those 6, the big 3/4 from spain, a few from Germany, France and Italy. Add in a couple of big names like Celtic, Ajax, Benfica, and even a few eastern Europeans for maximum interest, and you'll have enough sides for a European League, say in two divisions of 16.

Will it have promotion and relegation? You bet it won't. It will be a closed shop and Everton will be locked out. Football is globalising rapidly at the moment and people in places like Brazil are disturbed to report that kids there are walking around with Premier League shirts and Barcelona shirts rather than the local sides. They cannot understand it. But they want to fight it. So how?

They're negotiating with the USA and Mexico to set up a big competition. They cannot do an American wide Champions League, because the travel is just too much. So they are talking about a 6-8 week long club championship in a World Cup format to be played in a rotating host country. If this takes off, then how long before Asia wants a piece of that pie.

What this means Liam, is that when the big 6 threaten to break away, the Premier League will take it seriously and will give them what they want. There's too many people making too much money, who will be cut out of it, if the Premier League breaks up, and so concessions will be made. It's only a matter of time before we get a Spanish style TV deal, where the big 6 will get say 3/4 of the cash.

Steve Ferns
60 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:11:35
Closed shop, Brian. And they will want to ensure all the big cities are represented, and then to ensure it is not dominated by Western Europe. So they would award "Franchises" like American Football.

In order to make someone like say Legia Warsaw or Ferencváros (of Budapest, Hungary) or Sparta Prague be competitive, they would invite major investment in these sides and tell them that they are guaranteed x amount from TV money, they can use the national stadiums and will of course sell them out (why wouldn't they to watch a competitive local side play Madrid or Barcelona?), and then the main point, that they will never be relegated, so a major investment can be made on a long-term basis.

Think about what a Sepp Blatter type figure would want from this league from England: he'd want Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. Then they might want Birmingham to be represented and so push forward Aston Villa, despite all their recent issues.

I doubt, unless Man City can make themselves a major brand by winning the Champions League soon, that they will exactly be enamoured with two sides from Manchester, and I doubt they will want a load of sides from London. Everton will really need to go some to force their way into such a setup.

Brian Harrison
61 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:13:55

I had posted exactly what you suggested about a European league, and unless in the next couple of years we can elevate ourselves into the top 6, then we would be excluded to the big money if it happens.

I just wondered what Barcelona and Real Madrid think about the new TV deal the Spanish league have done to run from 2017-2019. They used to get the lions share but the new deal is for the TV money to be split between all the clubs in the league.

But just to keep Barcelona and Real Madrid onside into the agreement they have included that no club will lose what they already get based on the last couple of seasons. So Barcelona will get €150 million Real Madrid €148 million and Atletico Madrid next with €116 million.

Liam Reilly
62 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:17:03
Brian/Steve, this probably warrants its own thread but:

A European League has long been mooted and no doubt has some serious investigation from the super rich clubs, but here's the problem (imo).

You put 16 or 20 Clubs into a European League format and they play each other twice annually. It brings in a new era for football, so lots of increased revenue, merchandising and all the best players want to play in this league.

But soon enough, unless the domestic leagues play ball (no pun intended), then these clubs will just get to play each other week-in week out in a league format. There's no more Champions League as it will essentially just be a cup format of the same 16-20 teams, so the result is all sides clamoring for 1 trophy that's of any worth. They could venture into the Asian or the US markets for competition in Cups, but would they really get competition?

This wouldn't be a sustainable long-term business model and would get old quickly. Today, the numbers are seriously down on the Champions League group games where the same teams come out of the groups year on year with some rare exceptions.

The league will ultimately end up with a similar tiers to the current domestic leagues where the mega rich clubs swat the lesser clubs weekly; so your Celtic's and Ajax's get spanked weekly but with no fear of relegation so there's no tension or excitement.

It would kill the game, albeit not initially, but you know what, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing if the money did leave the game.

James Marshall
63 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:22:13
Rooney can play as a striker for about an hour a game if required. Calvert-Lewin can play at least a game a week up top. Sandro can play there as well, so we do have a few strikers.

What we don't have is a target man, but personally I prefer my teams not to play with a target man anyway.

Out-and-out strikers create a team like the one we had with Lukaku up top – one that most people moaned about because we relied on one player for all our goals. Now we don't have that issue anymore, so maybe it's a plus point.

Or maybe I've missed my medication.

Time will tell.

Tony J Williams
64 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:26:40
Dick (#46),

Those dickheads with their dickheadish t-shirts made not one iota of difference in getting shut of the two Americans.

Their financial dealings and Courts made them sell, not some gormless prick shouting obscenities and waving their misspelt placards.

On topic, was anyone really surprised when no-one was bought?

It goes all the way back to "Where's the Arteta money, Bill?"

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Kevin Tully
65 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:32:39
Any striker we were going to bring in on deadline day was dependent on a potential Barkley sale. Whichever way you slice and dice it, filling the most important position on the pitch was handled atrociously.

It all points to the same old mentality being prevalent at the club, and any chance of us making strides towards Champions League football sailed out of the window on 31st August, 23:00 hrs.

Who is to blame? Nobody knows really. It's not good though, is it? The musical chairs stopped and we were left standing. The club have sold out their allocation of season tickets, they will also sell out every away allocation for the full season. For what? Selling our star striker and not even replacing him?

Sorry, there is no light at the end of the tunnel if history keeps repeating itself. We are now probably going to witness the return of zombie football, because we simply do not have any flair players, or a proven striker. After knowing Lukaku was leaving for at least 6 months, how can anyone at the club think we are going to progress if you don't replace him?

I can't even take solace in the fact the youngsters are getting some game time. They just aren't up to top 6 level unfortunately. We are loaded with midfielders, light in defence, and non-existent up top. All this after our most active transfer window in Premier League history, and £150m spent.

Only at Everton

Thomas Lennon
66 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:35:12
Jay Woods
67 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:40:12
Not getting a striker in on time points to Moshiri not being the sugar daddy he is being made out to be, more than any other critical metric one could conceive of.

Here's a Viz top tip for you:

"Pretend to be a billionaire owner of a football club by putting your two best players up for sale for a combined price of over £100 million, and then spending £100 million on a gaggle of new players to show the fans how ambitious you are".

Steve Ferns
68 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:41:27
Nah, Liam, you're missing the point.

What's envisaged, and this is not my dream (although it is my nightmare!), is American style franchise football. All the big clubs sign up without issue, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man Utd etc. But then the League will require franchises to bid for a place in one of the two divisions.

So say some Polish guy wants to ensure there is a Polish side, he heads a consortium and purchases a franchise. He gets backing from the Polish Government and can use the national stadium, a 55,000 capacity stadium built for Euro 2012. Now they could name this side Warsaw and effectively build it from scratch, or they could merge all of the Warsaw clubs, or a few of them, to build a side, or they just elevate Legia Warsaw as they are.

Now once the Franchises are all dished out. All the clubs left behind, like Everton, will be full of players who will want to play in this major European League. So they will be queuing up to join this Polish side. They have the investment in place that they had to show in order to get a franchise, and they buy up all the talent. Would Ross Barkley turn down the chance to play for our Warsaw side, playing week-in, week-out, against the biggest clubs in Europe in the best league in the world, of course not. Everyone will want in.

What happens to those outside the European Super League and left behind? Well the Champions League and European competition will be gone; this replaces it. The domestic leagues are all severely reduced. Most European leagues will become Semi-Professional and our league will lose most of it's sponsorship, most of it's money and will head into rapid decline.

The kopites will be in there with this European League no matter what, it's why they are in the European big clubs club or whatever they call it these days, were they are plotting things like this. So we would be left effectively as a feeder club for them, developing English players to play in an English or British league, where there is now very few foreign players, and no European Competition.

As for people getting bored of the European Super League, well we might, us old fashioned fans. But imagine the Sky machine in hype overdrive, and you can bet with European Competition out of the way and this as the only show in town, there will be a game a night, every night of the week. 16 teams, 30 games, 30 weeks. Oh and there's a nice 22 week break for a summer, a World Cup and international football, so FIFA will be happy.

Addendum: What you guys need to think of is where football is at now, where it was, and where it is going. The reality is kids in Africa watch the Premier League. Kids in Brazil watch the Premier League. All over the world. And in football-mad places like Brazil, they support teams like Man City (Gabriel Jesus) and watch them instead of heading to their local stadium to watch their local side.

Now these fans are not bothered about whether the product is the Premier League or a European Super League, they just want to see the best players in the world, and particularly in Brazil, their local heroes doing it on the big stage. So they have no loyalty to the Premier League.

Also google the Atlantic League to refresh your memories on the European League they wanted to make for Scotland, Holland, Belgium, etc. This idea is still not dead yet, and if it does come to fruition then the European Super League is inevitable if it is a financial success. It's all about money, folks. No-one gives a shit about us traditional fans.

Lenny Kingman
69 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:50:06
The chances of Sandro being here in 5 years, an idea that Lyndon put forth in his article, is as likely as him having the tattoos lasered off his arms.

I personally have not written him off, as also suggested in the authors piece, after a handful of games. Though he does come across as a puffing billy (fit or unfit) with no real positional intelligence. Rabbit caught in the headlights springs to mind also. His YouTube career looks good but in the unforgiving reality of the Premier League he will be found wanting.

Happy to be proved wrong but, as I said at the time of his signing, what can you really expect for £5m for a La Liga striker. Do you think Malaga thought it was be charitable to Everton week.

With the influx of serious cash into the club over recent times it sends out a negative message to the fans and makes the blues a laughing stock in the open market.

If you want to compete at the top table of European football, which Everton ultimately aim to do, then I believe the fee paid for a decent La Liga goalscorer is around the £195m mark.

I think the difference in fee tells you all you need to know about our current status in the order of things.

Gary Edwards
70 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:51:39
In the inevitable event of a European League, I fear that we'll become no more than a feeder club for the Liverpool based team. It will be sold to us as a merger though adopting the name "Liverpool" as that is the name of the city where we will be based. Could I ever support a team called "Liverpool"? Sorry, no!

I'm afraid Moshiri will ultimately prove to be just another case of bull and bluster or Bill Mk 2 and bluster. Commonwealth Games? Fuck off – they will do as much for Liverpool as they did for any other host city in recent memory, ie, fuck-all, hence the lack of enthusiastic, real candidates.

Things are really not much different than before, just the cast has changed. We are Kenwright's most successful, longest running show – why kill the fatted calf?

And why spend what's required to elevate the club to the next level when you're happy with your lot?

Steve Ferns
71 Posted 06/09/2017 at 13:57:38
I agree, Gary, it is inevitable that we will have cracked the top 4, and then we will be cast aside:

ESL: "No, we don't want two clubs from Liverpool"
Everton: "Great, we finished 2nd, Liverpool were 8th"
ESL: "Actually, Liverpool is a bigger brand, we're going with them"

We'd be left in the English League, or possible a British League, playing the remnants in front of decent crowds of 20,000 or more, with a mainly local side, and every Wayne Rooney will be quickly hoovered up by them. We would probably be either owned by them or propped up financially by them.

On another off-Everton topic, have you seen Championship club Aston Villa are buying a portfolio of foreign clubs, similar to what Man City have done? How long before you end up with about 20 different brands in European football anyway? The end is nigh!

Thomas Lennon
72 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:08:00
Jay – I assume you are thinking we could have competed with Man City for Sanchez if we REALLY had new money? But they didn't get him either did they?

Two best players? – 'no first touch' Lukaku who goes missing when he thinks we can't win or is that Barclay who is still with us? Very good players both but I contend neither provides that magical will to win that gets a club like ours into Champions League. Put both back in the squad and pick out our two best players now – I would go for Pickford, Keane, Sigurdsson, Rooney at least before choosing those two. Calvert-Lewin is already a better team player than the Lukaku who arrived from Chelsea.

One minute we talk about developing youngsters, the next we want to prove we have the deepest wallets in Europe. How many times have we paid record fees for a striker only to find they cannot score in front of an underperforming team? Let's let the team develop and add in finishing touches when there is a reasonable opportunity.

Granted you never win anything with kids... oh wait!

Paul Kossoff
74 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:17:34
Thomas (#72), in my humble opinion, Calvert-Lewin will never be a better player, or score more goals, or be more effective than Lukaku was or is or will be at any age. I hope and pray he becomes as good, but I doubt he ever will.
Steve Ferns
75 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:17:58
One last thing on the European Super League that just occurred to me. Imagine Everton are told that there is no space for them as they don't want two teams from Liverpool, and all the English quota is used up, but instead the ESL says:

"It's a £500m fee for a franchise, but Geneva have offered to pay half of that and provide a stadium if you pay the other half and of course you need to relocate to Geneva. You will need to give us an answer quick because Spurs and Villa are also interested. This is the only Franchise left available to you, and we have guaranteed not to expand for 10 years."

Stephen Davies
76 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:19:58
Steve (#68),

There is some truth in that. If the Premier League Chairmen had their way, there would be no relegation from the Premier League.

Thomas Lennon
77 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:21:58
A lot of the same comments were made about the top 4 when the Premier League was set up. Everyone will go to the big clubs, they have all the money, they will dominate Europe, there will be no competition.

Top two became top 3, top 4, 5, 6 and now soon to be 7. We have a genuine competition, nowhere else in Europe does. Money is attracting more money, demand insatiable.

It's a No from me for the Superleague.

Jay Harris
78 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:26:09
Please don't associate Moshiri with the previous parasites that Kenwright involved.

He has paid off £80m worth of debts and organised a £60m overdraft facility unlike the BVI brigade who were trousering a fortune (allegedly) in interest and "other operating costs".

The only remaining link with "poor little Everton" is Kenwright and I see his hallmark all over the latter half of transfer dealings.

Wait till the last minute, get a bargain, save all those wages, doesn't matter about preseason.

I will not feel good about the club again till he is gone.

What happened to "I am going to retire at 70, I can't carry on beyond that" – or was that another lie?

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:31:54
The Premier League was set up by the "Big 7". We were instrumental in that, particularly our chairman, Sir Phillip Carter.

I can't remember who all of the big 7 were for sure, but I will say: Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Aston Villa and Nottm Forest. It definitely did not include Chelsea or Man City.

As for lack of competition / domination – is that not exactly what has happened? Man Utd have won the league 15 times or so in 25 years. A few clubs have won 90% of the trophies, and Leicester aside, the smaller clubs are less competitive than ever.

Steve Ferns
80 Posted 06/09/2017 at 14:45:13
It was actually the big 5, and they were the first five clubs I named.
Raymond Fox
81 Posted 06/09/2017 at 15:13:39
Jay 78, he's not given the club £80m – it's a loan.

He owns half the club so I don't know how that transaction works out. Whether that debt was factored in when he bought half the club I don't know.

As you say the £60m loan facility is there for the club as well, which is positive, but also that is not money he's giving away.

Don't get me wrong – these are pluses; and do I want him on board? Yes, but I don't think he's here to throw his money about on players that some fans were hoping for.

Mike Berry
82 Posted 06/09/2017 at 16:59:28
Excellent article. I believe we are three players away from being right up there.

Rooney may yet be a problem, and I mean on the pitch, as to accommodate him when do we really need him?

As for Calvert-Lewin, play him as the main striker, hold-up man; he has the skill in his feet and in the air, he is quick and he is quite a specimen for his age... he will only get stronger too.

Let's judge how the team gels over a period of time and hope that Ronald does not play too defensive as I see traits of Moyes in his early tenureship.

Liam Reilly
83 Posted 06/09/2017 at 16:59:54
Disagree, Steve,

The Champions League is a gravy train on top of the cash from the Domestic league. A European Super League derails that train and creates a model where the Domestic Championship and the Champions League become effectively one sole tournament for which all these clubs compete.

So there will be trophy droughts never seen or envisaged before for many of these clubs. No more will second, third and fourth mean anything and, for the majority of the clubs, their season will be over in January with nothing to play for for the reaming games; ie, can't win the league and can't get relegated.

Sure there's cash for placement in the league, but you can see in today's Premier League, as soon as the sides are safe, the players go into holiday mode and that won't change.

Now you can create this any which way you want: franchise, Equity Funds, whatever – it makes no difference. The money is the game comes from the supporters subscribing to the TV and merchandising. The Super League will have more dead rubbers than ever before because, for most clubs, their seasons will be effectively over mid-way though the season.

It will sap the life out of the game and subscribers will dwindle. The Domestic Leagues (certainly in England and Spain) are at the core of the wealth; so there's no way they will dilute this.

If there ever is a breakaway league, it would have to have the backing of the domestic league, possibly reducing the number of sides in the division to allow for more games in Europe, but this couldn't be achieved without some promotion/relegation model.

Dick Fearon
84 Posted 06/09/2017 at 21:18:32
Tony @64

Those dickheads may or may not have had an influence over the dismissal and absolute lies spouted by the two 'cancers'.

One thing for sure was the same dickheads showed more bottle and willingness to fight for their club than our own lot did.

Mike Gaynes
85 Posted 06/09/2017 at 22:58:09
Jay W #67: "Not getting a striker in on time points to Moshiri not being the sugar daddy he is being made out to be, more than any other critical metric one could conceive of."

I can conceive of two far more critical metrics. 1) No striker we really wanted was interested in coming to Everton, and 2) the strikers we could have had didn't interest Koeman/Walsh. I'm not aware of a player we missed out on because of a shortage of Moshiri funds. Are you?

Jay H #77: "I will not feel good about the club again till he [Kenwright] is gone."

That's really sad. Must be rough not being able to enjoy Everton because of the presence of one guy. Besides, I think you mis-read the quote. The one I remember is “I never see myself retiring – not at all."

Roberto Birquet
86 Posted 07/09/2017 at 02:32:59
Arsenal in crisis have the following attacking players: Alexis Sanchez, Lacazette, Giroud, and Danny Welbeck. And we expect to replace them?
Ian Linn
87 Posted 07/09/2017 at 04:34:24
I think the transfer window is a load of bollocks created for the media and foreign clubs to sell the Premier League overpriced players. We did a lot of business early doors, good business too, so we failed to get another high end striker – the alternative was paying over the top for a mediocre player just to get a signing. How about the bloke we were getting last year who at the last minute went to Spurs for $30M – dodged a bullet there (can't remember his name).

Do I want another striker? Of course but it has got to be the right player and not just a panic buy.

The solution – if we're not scoring enough goals come the Christmas window, roll the dice and buy the most prolific striker in the Championship, he may do well; stranger things have happened .

Alan J Thompson
88 Posted 07/09/2017 at 05:15:48
Ian (#87); My opinion of transfer windows is that they were created to counter the possibility of players changing clubs at a whim under the Bosman ruling. It retained clubs' control over transfers and ensured that the clubs received some form of compensation.

That is, previously the club sold the players registration; now you sell the contract, albeit the player renegotiates with his new employer. It might not be the best system but it was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction, a quick fix.

David Johnson
89 Posted 07/09/2017 at 06:27:45
Mike (#85),

Everton had a loan deal for Perez knocked back. A loan move for Vermaelen knocked back. We tried in vain to offload Ross Barkley and Niase.

Yes it is possible we didn't get anyone because we're waiting for Sergio Aguero but the evidence suggests the club were trying to recoup the Sigurdsson money. The transfer pot for this season was obviously £0 and all incoming transfers were to be funded by selling our best players despite the gigantic TV deal.

The apparent new policy of buying top youngsters will take 4-5 years to really bear fruit with the possible exception of Calvert-Lewin who looks like he is almost there already. Gibbs left Arsenal for peanuts yet we're banking on the likes of Garbutt and Galloway.

There is no transfer pot and there never will be one while Bill Kenwright is involved. New TV deal – same old shenanigans.

David Johnson
90 Posted 07/09/2017 at 07:09:51
Joe Anderson super blue extraordinaire the only man willing or capable of delivering anything meaningful for EFC. We still have one diamond. COYB.
James Marshall
91 Posted 07/09/2017 at 09:11:16
On a happier note, all these things that people are talking about, with the doom & gloom of Everton's upcoming demise due to the European Super League, or Champions League as I believe it's already called – by the time all the European clubs that 'matter' have come to the fore, and been whittled down to the 20 that we won't be part of, I'm planning on dying.

Happy Thursday.

Tony Everan
92 Posted 07/09/2017 at 12:21:52
I think Sandro deciding to come here and given the No 9 shirt speaks volumes. At his buy-out price, any club would want him. So I think he has been given assurances as to a starting role as a backdrop to the deal. He will be given a fair crack of the whip to prove himself.

Maybe this is why the signing of another striker has been half-hearted since June. Come January, things will be different.

Mike Gaynes
93 Posted 07/09/2017 at 15:53:05
David #89, just made my point. Perez, like most of the other strikers we were interested in, simply didn't want to come here. I too wish we'd gone in for Gibbs, but to me the evidence is much stronger that Koeman didn't rate him than that it was a financial decision.

As for Kenwright dictating the transfer pot, sorry, that makes zero sense to me. According to the numbers I saw, he owns 13% of the club. Moshiri owns half. It's his pot now, not Kenwright's.

And as for our having a strategy of funding all incoming transfers by "selling our best players"... bollocks. Rom was sold because he wanted to leave. We bought Pickford, Klaassen and Keane well before we sold Rom. And if you think Barkley is one of our best, all I can do is laugh.

David Johnson
94 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:27:55
Mike, are you honestly saying those buys would have been made if we knew Rom was staying. If you are then bollocks right back at you.

As for Perez not wanting to come on loan then why didn't we just go out and buy someone who did want to come if you believe incoming transfers are not dependent on outgoing ones? Is the loan market where Ron thinks he'll find the best players or something?

Who said Ross Barkley is one of our best players? His goal return is like you'd expect from Gana although he could be one of our best. Come to think of it he probably was one of our best players.

As for Kenwright, Philip Green had no shares but still had quite an influence.

Andrew Ellams
95 Posted 08/09/2017 at 13:20:25
As we now know Everton made a late loan bid for Jimenez at Benfica, would this have been a permanent offer of Barkley had been sold?
Jack Convery
96 Posted 08/09/2017 at 17:58:54
Watch the film Rollerball if you want to see what the future looks like for football. A world League of Super Teams from the World's largest and richest cities. Huge salaries leaving the so-called large salaries of today in the shade.

There will only be one team from each city so existing teams will merge, mark my words. What we think will not matter. FC Everton will be formed and play in a semi pro Northern League to minimise carbon footprint. Something which won't apply to Singapore FC playing Barcelona or London Bankers FC playing at the Dallas Marksmen Soccer Stars FC.

TV rights will pay huge fees for this World League because the advertising revenue will be so enormous it will overshadow many a country's economy. Matches will obviously be streamed for a large fee and available 24/ 7. World Cups and the Euros etc will be a thing of the past. Bleak and hopefully not before I meet my maker.

In the near future I expect relegation from the EPL will not apply to certain teams if they happen to have a poor season – I think we all know who these teams will be – too much money involved to have their shares implode.

Dermot Byrne
97 Posted 08/09/2017 at 18:03:31
Agree Jack but would watch it if it was Rollerball! Better than a 0-0 at Stoke!

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