Well, this all feels very Everton doesn”t it?

The Club doesn't need a cosmetic make over it needs serious re building...and I've not seen one of those not have loads of hidden problems, revealled when you strip away the old stuff... and they always go over budget.

Moshiri has a money pit situation on his hands here, even the sky money is not a bottomless pit...most of it goes in one door and out in to the players carpark in the form of gold Bentleys.

The new ground has gone from £300M-ish to £500M, if it stays under £600M I'll be amazed. That's before you factor in what he paid out at the start to buy in - plus other debt, the debt that is at the moment classed as 'Interest free loans'.

I don't know if all the Usmanov rumours are true or what... but (Moshiri's) £1 Billion doesn't go far now a days.

This will take more than Sarah Beeny, Phil and Kirstie to sort it out.

I don't care if the club has to overpay to get in a better left back and a halfway decent, athletic, left-footed centre back as long as they enable us to put out an improved starting eleven. The threat of relegation may be low but it is too much of a risk to ignore.

The addition of a robust and energetic defensive midfielder to replace the unfortunate James McCarthy (and oust the ineffective Schneiderlin) would also be welcome.

I know I am risk-averse. Comes from experiencing the long-term effects of the misreading of risk at 50% of the companies I have worked for. Nothing is guaranteed, a couple more injuries could devastate this squad, and relegation would be disastrous for our club.

I keep seeing Garbutt's name thrown around. The left side of the field is a disgrace, but this is a player who is almost 25 and has less than 100 professional matches under his belt. I know our managers for the past few years haven't been super-genius, but they can't all be wrong about one player.

Baines has been on the decline for the best part of 4-5 years, so the fact that Garbutt has barely gotten a look in says a lot about the player. I have no idea if he's any good or not, but the evidence suggests he's not the answer.

Whenever this squad need to show up they are left wanting because they fold under the pressure.

This had been the case since the end of Martinez first season so in my opinion is not manager-related but player-related.

Pep Guardiola couldn't do anything with this mob.

When Moyes left, we had a top 4 back four.

By the time Martinez left, we had a Championship back four.

Moyes had a top 6 midfield; again, by the time Martinez left it was a mid-table midfield.

Up front, Lukaku's goals masked a lot of our deficiencies but now he has gone and despite spending around £200M we are no better off because most of the money has been wasted.

If it wasn't for the kids coming through we would definitely be championship material so no I am not as optimistic as you.

We all know Klaassen (who seems to have been judged and dismissed by most, including Sam) and Sandro have struggled to get anywhere near up to speed, as it has been clear to see every time they have set foot on the pitch this season.

Still, I happen to believe there is a very clever footballer somewhere at the centre of the confidence-sapped shell of the former, whilst the latter could yet offer something if he just calmed the fuck down and chose boots better suited to standing on grass than skating on Bird's Eye custard (but he was never the central striker some posited he was prior to his arrival). However, both would be on a hiding to nothing being asked to concentrate on holding a defensive line, harrying opponents and hunting after hoofs down the pitch.

For that same reason Tosun will likely, at least initially, find it tough to shine at anything other than, maybe, making a decent fist at holding the ball up and trying to get his head on things.

Calvert-Lewin has performed admirably for the most part this season, continually offering himself and chasing everything, even when he hasn't got a chance of getting there first, yet he's continually dismissed as being 'not good enough' for failing to notch a sufficient number of goals while utterly isolated and not even being fed scraps.

Many will say it's hopelessly outdated and "nobody plays it anymore", but I can't help but feel a 4-4-2 would be worth a try given the personnel available and our current lack of a cutting edge.

At the moment we are a disjointed collective of headless chickens. The decline started by Martinez who admittedly unleashed the talent straight-jacketed by Moyes's disciplined organisation in the first season. Unfortunately he allowed disorganisation to take hold (especially in the back four) which began the rot. Koeman et al only added to the problem by blaming the players for his inability to create a cohesive combative team full of club spirit.

Alas, I fear Sam after (his or Unsworth's) initial success after the Southampton game also seems at sea. Initially he claimed credit for organising the defence, now he cannot understand why we collapse and give up, can't pass, make the wrong decisions.

I always thought that was the coach's job.

I must say that I am fearing the rest of the season as I cannot see where we are going to outfight the other strugglers.

I hope we are not depending on a Gareth Farrelley moment against West Ham at the end of the season.

It is interesting that Williams who had a horrendous start to the season has now begun to perform. Why? Confidence due to better organisation around him. This is possible with many of the other players also just to find the best system and position for each to get the best performance.

Martina is the current favourite scapegoat. I do not think he is that poor defensively and his is willing to get forward and make selfless runs. His inability to cross with his left is a huge problem and he is predictable in that he constantly has to turn in on his right to cross. Why he is not tried in his natural position beats me.

Then we can truly judge his worth. Secondly all full backs who get forward must have a player in front of him who has the ability to get back to share in the defensive duties. Here Martina is constantly let down.

Imagine if we played Baines at right back. Would we be having the same conversation about him.

Another player who I think we have not got the fully potential from is Klaassen. I would love to see him given a real opportunity as I think there is a good player in there. We just need to give him the opportunity to show it.

Sandro I am not so sure about.

As for Pickford, I seem to be the only one who doesn't put him up on the untouchable pedestal. I constantly worry about:

1. His tendency parry the ball rather than hold it.

2. The tendency to parry it back into play rather than around the posts or over the bar.

3. His distribution of the ball (often out over the sideline) but usually hoofed up to a lone striker with 3 players around him, but no accuracy.

4. Some of his decision making is rash not calm and measured like the greats.

5. Ability to marshall the defence into a cohesive unit. Again, the greats were organisers because they had a full vision of the dangers and knew how to organise players who drifted out of position.

Again, common theme is we are a team with no leaders and no direction.

I worry...

We will struggle all season as we don't have a set formation or pattern. Only the goalie and Martina know that they are starting a game each week. The rest look like they get picked out of a hat.

We are lacking motivation and urgency all over the pitch. That's why Niasse stands out, he wants to drive forward and score. Most of them are happy to pass sideways and take no responsibility in pushing us forward.

Sam has bought players and now needs to get the best out of them. Tosun looks like he wants to link up play and have runners around him. Walcott needs the ball to feet and in front of him. Let's see how that pans out.

We knew pre-season that signing loads of players would take time for them to gel. Besides the goalie, I didn't expect them all to be shit.

𧶀M on dog shit players and counting. Sandro 𧴰k a week is typical of what's going on. Not a left-footer in the whole squad.

At some point the purse strings will get cut and we will be in serious trouble.

Said on another thread that, since Moyes left, virtually none of our signings have been team players. Most have been just individuals not willing to buy into team harmony and willing to go through brick walls for a team mate. All that we are now left with is what was on show on Saturday. Shameful. Martinez started this shambles and nothing has changed since.

The board can also hang their head in shame. No homework done on the managers who have come in since Moyes. Martinez? A manager who just got his side relegated with a shocking reputation for not defending. Koeman? Well it's transpired that he had shocking relations with the players, why was this not highlighted? Allardyce, well purely a panic appointment.

How have we sunk so low? Well the board have done this to us. They have appointed the shocking managers. They have allowed these shocking managers to buy a bunch of individuals. Not bad players but not team players. Lukaku being the biggest culprit of egotistical self-worth of the lot.

Until Kenwright fucks off and Moshiri gets in an advisor who actually knows what he is doing then we will see no discernible improvement. The board will persist in just appointing a random named manager who will just buy players who don't fit.

If it was up to the board we would have Silva now, lol at how the latest "great" thing has turned out. No homework done. It's a total shambles and has been for the last 5 years. Unless we protest and actually repeatedly show the board how unhappy we are nothing will change.

For me, I would suggest that, for 1 game only, everybody boycotts a game. See how they like playing in front of an empty stadium. That would make them listen. Unless we do something, the same shit will just keep on happening.

It's been 23 years since we won a trophy. 23 years!! Ffs how bad does it have to be until we stop tolerating this shit? Unless the fans do something, then we are just as culpable as the board for tolerating this mess. Nil Satis has never felt so meaningless.

I think everyone can see the problems with the way the team plays. In my opinion, the clever bit is what to do about it, given the current squad. It doesn't help the situation that the manager is a divisive figure with a certain Sammy Lee at his side! Buying even more players may not be the answer. I would suggest that the large number of changes in the regular first team (including injuries) has contributed to our poor form.

I think we actually have the making of a decent squad, especially when Seamus Coleman returns. I think Theo Walcott is a definite upgrade in attacking flair. We have plenty of strikers (and I include Wayne Rooney), but they need to score more goals. We have some wonderful midfielders who need to play in a settled first team. We have a manager who has proven in the past that he can organise the defence of a team. I do agree that the loss / loan of Garbutt & Galloway does look very short-sighted though.

Our problem seems to me that we lack confidence. That the players are not settled. Maybe a good old fashioned piss-up in Spain might help them...? Be cheaper than buying loads of new players. What I'm trying to say is, if it was as straightforward as every poster on TW calls it, we'd surely be in the top four by now?

The misguided view that the guy who put out the cones for Claudio Ranieri at Leicester could bring his old club's success to Everton has long been shown to be a myth as the entire recruitment strategy has proved a disaster.

Of course, there is much confusion in these columns over who does what in respect of identifying and negotiating deals with and for new recruits. Many believe Kenwright still has a big hand in the process whilst others attest that he is now no more than a figurehead. The 'innocent abroad' that is Moshiri obviously likes his say and I have no doubt that Walcott's signing was greatly influenced by the former Arsenal supporter.

I get the impression that a 'mob-handed' approach is the one favoured under this regime. They wisely keep 'the manager for the time being' at a cautionary distance from the business end whilst their manservant Walsh scuttles round Europe picking up the bargain of the day, according to Sky's finest !

Given the unfathomable nature of recent team selection and tactics, it is becoming clear that Allardyce and his army of helpers knows not what to do with the veritable rabble now at his disposal; given that little more than a week remains in this window, he is probably as confused as we are that no left-sided defenders have been added to the roster.

With Everton it is always 'tomorrow' that will put things right. But like many others I have lost faith in that mantra. Going into the business end of this horrible season, all I see is a buggers' muddle that gets worse with every game with only superstar Niasse to save us!

But even just making the 'top-6' would happen only now and again, not consistently. To do it consistently would require consistent spends on a par with the last two windows, as a minimum, and would require the spends to be good ones. To do the latter would also require some learning from the current experience.

To achieve better than just making the 'top-6', to do better than the likes of the 'nearly clubs' of Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal, to compete with the elite clubs of Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea, would require finances on a par with those elite clubs, far greater than what Moshiri offers. That's the only way to achieve a real change in culture at Everton, big financing to replace the 'old guard' with a 'new regime'.

Players not happy because they're being played out of position, players sulking because they're not even in the squad, long term squad members unhappy because they are earning half of what some new players are getting, agents stirring the shit in the background. It's all so obvious.

Martina went over with what looked like a serious injury – no Everton player went over to see how he was. When did that ever happen? Kenny, a kid, scores an own goal against Leicester, terrible moment for him personally – where was the captain to give him a gee up? Mirallas and Schneiderlin taking the piss out of Unsworth. Rooney flapping his arms at Unsworth when being substituted – what the fuck?

All symptoms of a very serious lack of team spirit. Will anyone in the boardroom sort it? No chance. It's up to Allardyce and his team to try and create some sort of bond between these players. Good luck with that.

The Everton team now makes no sense to me anymore, whoever is picked. It is now a question of square pegs in round holes.

Unfortunately to add, Bobby Brown Shoes did it in his first season.

Would I want him back? No, because it never works... but I do appreciate what he achieved – more with every manager that passes through!

It is the result of the constant changes to the team, all cohesion and understanding has been destroyed and we are like a pre season team. People need to understand that we need to keep a settled team.

My team wouldn't have a 19-goal striker playing wide. I wouldn't be worried about left-back as I would install Garbutt there and see if I could get Galloway back on loan.

I wouldn't sell Lennon as he works hard and had established a good understanding with Kenny. No coincidence Kenny had a poor game on Saturday with someone new in front of him.

And I would not play Rooney in midfield as he is not a midfield player. Up front or he doesn't play. I would prefer Rooney to Sigurdsson as he contributes very little to a game.

Regarding Steve Walsh, I never took his appointment seriously, I'm now sure I should have done, does he have a contract, if so for how long? His whole appointment and position at the club needs reviewing as soon as possible. To me, he is no more than a glorified scout, and not a very good one.

He has had too much say in Everton's transfer dealings and consequently should take the major blame for the cock-up it has been and be replaced as soon as possible. Did we pay compensation for his release from Leicester? Whoever arranged that wants looking at as well.

Yet, he should be remembered for not wasting money on transfers but leaving a talented squad of players to build on. Under the stewardship of Koeman and Walsh, Everton lost a plenty.

Whoever allowed Barkley to run his contract down, lost Everton a lot of money. With 2 years on his contract remaining, an extension he would have signed in the summer of 2016 before Koeman upset him.

"As soon as they walk on that pitch they're like little boys, they're looking over their shoulders looking for someone to help them out, and they've got to be men."

Michael Ball's words, not mine. Do you blame the manager entirely for this mindset or do we simply have a group of 'cowards' in the team? Probably a combination of the two although 3 managers in one season cannot get a performance out of them .

They have a General Manager who runs the scouting network and negotiates contracts alongside the team owners. (like a DoF, I guess). A Head Coach who takes responsibility for the design and style of play (essentially a first team manager). And offensive and defensive coordinators that take responsibility for how the two sides of the team perform.

All of these personalities take public responsibility for the failings of their departments.

I have no idea who Bobby Martinez's defensive coach was, even though it was probably they who were responsible for the failings of his tenure. Similarly, with Moyes, who was the attacking coach?

Why do we assume that our head coaches can do the equivalent job of 3 people in a US system.

The only reason that Martinez succeeded in his first season was that he unleashed the players from the straight jacket that Moyes kept on the players. Moyes football was not pretty, unambitious but considering the budget he was expected to work with, effective.

Martinez got carried away with his success and forgot the basics of management. Hence gradual loss of leadership within camp, Koeman similarly benefited from Pochetino reign at Southampton and we were fooled.

We appear to be similarly fooled by Walsh's ability to unearth great players. Worrying times.

Fair enough the midfield is useless at the moment maybe the defence are not entirely to blame. Are they really Premier League professional footballers or just imitations?

Not having a go at you but would love to know who these wonderful midfielders are and where you get that the manager is a divisive figure?

I always admired Martinez's football ‘philosophy'. He built the team brilliantly in the 1st season with shrewd loan deals – Lukaku, Barry, Deulofeu and purchases – Robles (on a free), McCarthy, and Kone, whose Everton career was unfortunately blighted by terrible injuries.

The 2nd season began disastrously in the league and some of the player purchases didn't come off – Besic, Atsu (loan), McGeady, Alcaraz. While some were so-so: Funes Mori could never nail down his place in the side. Lennon was a game trier but never a match winner.

In spite of the poor league start, the Europa League campaign was brilliant, highlighted by a 7-2 (overall) trashing of Wolfsburg containing some big names including De Bruyne. Even Martinez's so-called disastrous final season saw us reach the semi-finals of both cups, losing both to the eventual winners - Man City and Man Utd.

What most of us would give now to have that kind of achievement this season! The real fraud who has set Everton back many years is Koeman.

I agree with Dave Ganley (9) that the most important decision in the summer is the appointment of the new manager. The only way Allardyce will keep his job is if he gets us playing attractive football matched by good results and get us above the 45-points mark.

I hope the board are sounding out potential candidates – now! We need an inspirational signing - someone who will unite the club with a clear plan and results that are achieved playing attractive football.

My personal managerial favourite at the moment is Eddie Howe, although I suspect that for the current ‘super star' players that we have – Rooney, Walcott, Schneiderlin, he is too ‘small name' for them to take seriously.

The wheels started to come off towards the end of Martinez first season when we threw 4th place away.

I like Eddie Howe but he is nowhere near the calibre we should be aiming for if we are to replace Allardyce.

It is a very difficult decision especially with Walsh and Kenwright apparently pulling the strings at the club.

I would settle for Kenwright and cronies to clear out and be replaced by David Dein with Wenger as Director of Football.

How else don you explain the club selling Lukaku but not buying a centre-forward.

How do you explain Koeman saying we need a left back but we still haven't got one.

How do you explain the Barkley transfer fiasco – we lost 㿀m pounds!!!

Someone is sabotaging us from the inside.

I said before when Koeman was here that part of the club was against him and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind on that. I believe that part was Kenwright and the players he awarded new contracts to – Mirallas, Baines and Jagielka. For some reason, they didn't like him and their definitely seems to be a schism in the squad.

We have the old hands and then there are those brought in under Koeman, who are getting an awful lot of dosh – is that the reason – jealousy. Is that why Kenwright felt the need to give the players I mentioned before new contracts ?

I've always had the feeling that BK didn't want or warm to Koeman. I reckon he wanted Moyes back and still does. Moshiri obviously had got his own way with Koeman but had to agree with Walsh to take on Allardyce. Where Walsh fits into all this god knows – we don't even know who he has bought / recommended. I think we all agree Kenwright wanted Wayne back and Koeman agreed, to possibly get Kenwright onside.

The outcome of all this has been a nightmare season, which if it carries on could mean real trouble come April / May time. If we stay up it will be because believe it or not 3 teams will have worse records than ours – hard to believe that right now isn't it.

Moshiri must run the Club and prevent those that want us to stay plucky little EFC, the Peoples Club (What a laugh that is these days) from keeping us making the progress we should be making given the outlay of money in the last 3 transfer windows.

Finally, Where is the fucking left-back, you morons.

Please forgive me as this isn't the most coherent post you may ever read but it comes from the heart a heart that beats blue blood and has done for 57 years and a heart that is breaking seeing the calamity that is EFC these days.

I don't want to live in the past I want a bright future for my club. A club that plays a style of football that is the envy of all others. A club that is a class apart on and off the field, just like its fans and a club that I am proud to say, is my club. Come on Moshiri sort the place out before we become another Aston Villa / Leeds Utd et al.

We need to re-balance the squad and ship out some dead wood in the summer.

I think personally we can go back to the early nineties when Mr Carter was there we were part of the big 5 involved in the breakaway Premier League but then the club dropped away on the field and off the field we just failed to make progress the club and stood still.

The stadium is a good example – as other clubs developed their grounds Everton didn't. We did rebuild the Park End which wasn't wholly funded by Everton anyway. The single tier stand surely unambitious.

Until someone shakes up the club and gets rid of the bad apples, we're going to remain a "limited" football club rather than a club making strides to join the elite.

Hardly any of them at any club show any loyalty or care for the club,or it's fans. That's the reality folks. The game is business,and it's a bloody hard nosed place to be for the unaware.

Everton are just light-years behind – about 25 years in fact. Goodison is a great place to go for us old blokes, but the young people expect something better, because that's what they are used to!

Everything moves on in this life – except Everton, it seems... and whilst we consider it sad, annoying, unjust etc etc, the facts are the fan base still has a say and its actions would change things at board level, but only if everyone unites.

Whilst a non-attendance to a game is the ultimate snub to the owners, I think you could start by thousands just leaving the stadium mid-way through the 2nd half – winning or losing – and a press release to the club stating why it's happened.

This place needs shaking up fast and a huge cull from top to bottom has to take place to drag EFC into the 21st century. There is no plan at the moment, just dollars being thrown at it in the hope a miracle occurs – it won't.

A complete shake down and starting again may well run a relegation risk, but at least a plan will be in place and some sort of understanding of it for the fans to buy into and support the club.

At the moment, you have complete chaos at Everton and, left another 1 or 2 years, the chaos will be being conducted in the Championship anyway – the big difference being there will still be no plan and the in-fighting will still be there.

Immediate targets for the club:

Target 1 for the club is to stay up.
Target 2 – win a derby match

What we have is a collection of players, too many in certain positions and too few in others; some played out of position, badly organised and badly coached; some good players can't get into the first team; some have been loaned out or transferred. . . this most negative team in the Premier League.

I think that you can't continue like this and hope to achieve anything. In the Premier League, Everton are a joke. What other football team carries on this way?

I am an Everton supporter of over 50 years and can't believe how unprofessional they have become.

You mis-read my comment. Should have had a comma but I assumed that everybody knows that we are playing West Ham in the last game of the season and hopefully it is not going to be a relegation battle.

To clarify

“I hope we are not depending on a Gareth Farrelley moment (again) against West Ham at the end of the season.”

I was there that day, Dublin got theirs and I was so quick on the keyboard, sorry mate with a head bowed.

Although I am afeared as they say.

I certainly do not want to be sweating on survival with a showdown with Moyes on the last day. That would be the ultimate irony.