Even when first mooted, Marco Silva always struck me as a slightly lazy appointment and I wasn't particularly arsed when it failed to materialise, other than Watford's intransigence inadvertently inching the club towards Alardyce's waiting, wide-open, wallet. Silva was simply flavour of the month back in November when the club was nervously scrabbling around for a Ron replacement. He's now the flavour of six months ago that quickly went flat and lost most of it's sparkle, yet he is seemingly considered a shoe-in for the Everton job. The sole serious candidate. How the hell did that happen?
Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of his achievements. He progressed wee Estoril, got them promoted and punching above their weight in the Portuguese top flight, won a cup at Sporting while finishing lower in the table than both his predecessor and successor, won the league with serial winners of said league Olympiacos, initially improved results at Hull before winning only one of the last seven games and getting relegated, then had a decent start at Watford before being easily derailed by Everton's beckoning hand catching his own wandering eye and eventually being binned off.
Some of the supplementary stuff granted significance and used to big him up on here though is bordering on the surreal. He grabs players round the waist, pulls them closer or physically moves them where he wants? Well, we had a PE teacher who did similar and, strangely enough, no one ever saw it as a pointer to him being a potential 'world class coach' or training-drill dervish. More like a massive warning sign to 'stay away from the guy with the funny eye'.
The praise dished out for his 'spectacular' start at Watford...that supposedly fell to shit solely due to Everton letting it be known they thought he was a right sort... is typically OTT. Prior to watching his team chuck away 3 points at Goodison, Silva's 'great' start to the 2017/18 Premier League campaign consisted of 15 points garnered from the opening 10 games, with 15 goals scored and 17 conceded.
This is woolly little Watford we're talking about here. Watford! You cannot underestimate the impact Silva had before his head was turned, how every single, previously pish, player in their squad who set eyes on the 'adult Eddie Munster' looking Portugese legend in waiting, was instantly improved and impelled to hit heights alien to the Hornets.
'Alien' to those with anterograde amnesia, that is. The much maligned Walter Mazzarri's start to life at Watford in 2016/17? 15 points from the opening 10 Premier League games, with 14 goals scored and 13 conceded. Another miraculous start but with a marginally better goal difference? Wow! If only another club had wolf-whistled at poor old Walter at that point then he too would have a ready made excuse to roll out when people point out it all went a bit wank after that.
If Everton supporters are, truly, so easily bedazzled by a bit of 'new manager bounce' then it's no bloody wonder outsiders are utterly bemused by the fact they're not still kissing Sam Allardyce's backside.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Moshiri isn't drawn to Silva because he's 'Marco Silva': a unique coaching talent with his own distinct character who has caught his and every competitors eye.
More likely Moshiri is lazily sniffing around Silva again because he has swallowed hook, line and sinker, the media-led hype that he's a bit like that other lad who was at Southampton before he went to Spurs and believes if he recruits him Everton may reap similar rewards.
Moshiri is drawn to Marco Silva because he is regarded by some pundits as a papier-mâché Pochettino. Similar shape, similar size, similar age, similar unheralded arrival on these shores, similar enthusiasm, similar praise in hindsight and the eating of previous hasty words by Paul Merson. The parallels are uncanny.
No chance of nabbing the bloke we would really want, so it surely makes sense to go for the next best thing. If the toy shop had completely sold out of Transformers toward the end of 1985 then only a spoilt little twat would have complained about getting a Go-Bot for Christmas instead, right? Right? They were practically the same thing. 'Megatron' and 'Meffytrash'? Who can tell the difference? One was just slightly cheaper, less successful and still on the shelf, is all.By and large, football clubs will shy away from unnecessary risk and are rarely brave enough to break the mould. Chairmen covet that which other clubs currently have, decide they want the same, yet most know they lack the clout to simply muscle in and steal that exact man, so look instead for someone eerily similar, cut from the same cloth, a 'Pound-Shop'-counter simulcra of a presently successful manager who could perhaps prove to be their very own version, just on a more minor scale.
Piss-ant (or preferably non-existent) playing career, early start in management, sharp suit, five o'clock shadow, dark shock of hair, mates or mate-of-a-mate with Jorge Mendes? Must be one of 'The Jose Street Boys'.
Male camel-toe (aka the 'moose knuckle') accentuating keks? Check. Fitted shirt sans jacket? Check. Skinny tie? Check. Sometimes sport similar specs to Jermaine from 'Flight Of The Conchords'? Check. Air of practiced eccentrity about you like a school teacher who still thinks it possible the kids will think he's 'cool'? Check. Get hard at the the thought of gegenpressing? Check. Defo rocking about with 'Kloppy', 'Lowy', 'Tuchy Feely' and the rest of the fellas in 'The Rangnik Rogues'.
British, bulky club-branded coat, bit of a chip on your shoulder about the chances of being given a crack at a big club, barely concealed xenophobia, still refer to yourself as 'a young manager' even though it looks like someone has been using the special effects from Benjamin Button on your face, a belief that getting to 40 points equals a bloody job well done rather than a first building block in a fuller project of furtherance, full suite of facial expressions that stretch no further than (1) fuming and (2) smug as hell? Soz lad, you're slumming it with 'The Sam-Moysie Riffs'.
Yet, when it comes to influence, inspiration, iconography and ingratiating imitation, by far the biggest magnet for managerial Mini-Me's is the ex-Barca maestro himself: Pep Guardiola.
An intelligent ex-player/student of the game mutating into a managerial novice in their very midst, charming and persuasive enough to convince those in power it makes perfect sense to give him the chance to cut his teeth then settle back and glow with satisfaction at watching him seize the great opportunity others were too slow to grant, a unifying coach already steeped in the proud traditions of the club he once played for, with a clear philosophy of how the game should be played, a plan he believes will enable players to prosper and express themselves, along with an eye for providing entertainment to the paying punter.
Why, that's the ideal and if you haven't a cat in hell's chance of waving enough cash to bring the original home from the auction house, then get your arse along to Ikea to pick up one of the many more modest pieces obviously 'inspired' by it.
Which brings me to Mikel Arteta.
Before supposedly suffering last-minute nerves in the face of dissenting noise from unconvinced supporters and creeping back toward a more known element in Emery, I thought the (seeming) willingness of the Arsenal board to make the untried Spaniard Wenger's successor was a stunningly ballsy move. I could alsosee the logic behind it given that, if the 'next Guardiola' is what everyone is ultimately looking for, then the guy with a connection to your club currently being groomed by the genuine article and with behind the scenes knowledge of how, possibly, the most aesthetically pleasing club side ever put together on these shores was propelled toward a record points total, has got to represent a hot prospect when it comes to striking gold.
He learnt at the fabled La Masia, played for Everton and Arsenal for many years, knows the Premier League inside out, saw first-hand the disparate working methods of Moyes and Wenger, before becoming eager Dick Grayson to Guardiola's bald guru Bruce Wayne.
He displayed leadership qualities and a willingness to accept greater responsibility for performances other than his own while at Arsenal, being handed the captaincy and acting as a conduit and conveyor of instruction to the Spanish contingent within Arsene Wengers squad.
Years before his playing career began to warm down he had already set his sights on moving into a coaching role and eventual management. After his last game came and went he wasted no time in starting his second career.
Before him sat three offers of coaching roles from Arsenal, Tottenham and Man City. Wenger, Pochettino and Guardiola, a triumverate of the most prized football minds in the modern game, were all well aware of what Arteta had to offer, respected the depth of his knowledge, the potential he possessed and that his outlook on the game mirrored their own. They went toe-to-toe to tempt him before he had even chucked his boots in the bin and it is testament to Arteta's strength of character that he didn't simply take the safest, least disruptive, route of remaining at the club he was retiring as a player from.
He opted not only for the coaching position he thought offered the chance to pick up greater knowledge, but also the one which granted him the opportunity to get in on the ground floor, to genuinely help build something brand new, to see how players accustomed to completely different working practices can be 'mind wiped' and made receptive to fresh coaching ideas and a more liberating playing style. Guardiola hailed Arteta's input and his knowledge of the English game as a pivotal part of the record breaking success Man City soared to in their second season together.
He showered further praise upon Arteta when it seemed the Arsenal job was set to be offered to him:"Mikel’s contribution was outstanding, amazing, and we have been so good together.So, if he stays I will be the happiest guy in the world. If he decides to move because he has this option I will not say: 'You don’t have to go'.I want the best for my friends and he is a friend. If he decides to go I will be sad, but I will understand his decision because it is his career, his life and family and I am not the right guy to say you don’t have to do that.But hopefully he can stay and finish what we have together in the coming years".
Arsenal Wenger himself seemed doubt free when quizzed on whether Arteta would be a decent appointment for Arsenal:"He has all the qualities to do the job, yes and I think as well he is one of the favourites. He was a leader, and he has a good passion for the game and he knows the club well, he knows what is important at the club and he was captain of the club. Why not?".
Lack of experience, Arsene. That's why.
Not a pre-requisite according to the last of our top manager and mate of Mikel trio. According to Sky's Spanish expert/gobshite Guillem Balague, Pochettino was already telling Arteta two years ago that he was ready to go straight into a management role, rather than to Man City as a mere assistant:
'Why go as an assistant?’
Arteta said ‘I’ve got to prepare myself’ and Pochettino said ‘Look what I’ve done – going straight into number one’.
‘Because you [Arteta] have the personality and ability to be number one’.
Now, I can understand caution creeping into Arsenal's thought process and their ultimately deciding to play it safe, especially with a manager with a more than decent CV letting it be known he would jump at the chance.
Why he is so readily dismissed outright as even an option by Evertonians is slightly harder to understand. Arsenal had the ex-Valencia, Seville and PSG boss waiting in the wings. A guy who won the Europa League three seasons in succession, as well as four domestic cups in France, along with the Ligue 1 title. Everton, on the other hand, have the ex-Hull and Watford boss. A guy who has won 13 out of 42 Premier League games, a domestic cup in Portugal, and the Greek League in a one Trojan horse race where every player who is not a complete usless twat tends to be rounded up and contained within the Thrylus outfits hollowed-out wooden nag until the gaffer gives the order to burst out and batter the opposition.
People always bring up the phrase "...and he 'gets' the club" in a contemptuous, mocking manner (often adding something along the lines of "whatever that means"), almost as if ingrained knowledge of precisely what one would be walking into, what the expectancy and aspirations of the fan base are, what will and will not fly in a city where football can bring the mood down faster than a hungry bloke asking a battle axe with heavy blood flow curled up in bed in the fetal position how come she hasn't got up and fixed him breakfast yet because...technically...it'll soon be bordering on brunch, is nothing but a nugatory notion and/or a sure-fire warning sign they would have Bill Kenwright's nut sack nestling on their chin no sooner than they had made themselves comfortable.
It need not be, and the fractitious atmosphere perpetuated by employing someone who thinks they know but hasn't the first clue or, worse, someone whose whole outlook on the game is fundamentally at odds with those filling Goodison week after week, is a far more harmful proposition than the presence of an assumed 'face that fits' unfairly pegged as likely to fold, or fall into line, on the basis of nothing more than familiarity and a jaded, cynical, belief that any 'old boy' automatically has nothing more to offer other than the same 'made up just to be on board', comfort-zone coasting, bollocks some believe the club is mired in. The last three managerial reigns are rude enough evidence of that.
Everton are just coming off the back of the most cowardly appointment in their history, subjecting supporters to some of the least entertaining, lowest common denominator, lazy, short-sighted, safety-first, cro-magnon man shite they have ever been forced to sit through. To erase such a foul stain they need to show a huge set of balls this time around, think outside the box, be prepared to take a risk, put their faith in youthful potential with innovative ideas and a driving hunger to suceed over middling multi year experience with a steady but moribund methodology, and back someone who can genuinely excite and grow in tandem with individual players and the team.
My team-mates are always going 'What are you going to do Miki? You’re going to be a manager, you should be a manager'. I know what the job means and I know how hard it is, especially when I look at the boss and see how many hours he puts in here. You need to sacrifice your family all over again, which I’ve done since I was 15. But I would love to manage a squad of players and staff – I’ve got it inside me, it’s true, and I want to do it. I think I’ve got something to add. I would like to prove myself, and prove my ideas about managing and encouraging people to do things in the way I believe is best.
My philosophy will be clear. I will have everyone 120 per cent committed, that’s the first thing. If not, you don’t play for me. When it’s time to work it’s time to work, and when it’s time to have fun then I’m the first one to do it, but that commitment is vital. Then I want the football to be expressive, entertaining. I cannot have a concept of football where everything is based on the opposition. We have to dictate the game, we have to be the ones taking the initiative, and we have to entertain the people coming to watch us. I’m 100 per cent convinced of those things, and I think I could do it.
You can have an idea of a system, but you need to be able to transform it depending on the players you have – how much pace you have up front, how technical your team is, what types of risk you can take and whether your players are ready to take those risks. It’s important to analyse your players because you can’t always play the same way. There have to be different details and changes in how you approach things, and you have to look at how you can hurt whoever you are playing against. Is there something they don’t like to do? If so, we’re going to make them do plenty of it. Then the most important thing for the manager is that, the Friday before the game, you imagine what’s going to happen on the Saturday. And if what happens on Saturday is not what I had planned, then it’s not been good enough from me.
I look to see managers do something different and add something to the game, not just going out there to be tight and be compact. You can win like this, but I don’t know if your players will really enjoy working that way. I’d want my players to express themselves – you can give them knowledge and ideas about what you want to do, but afterwards you need to leave room for their own ability and creativity. You have to learn from your players, and if you can do that then you can do something new.
Just words – easily spouted and with no tangible evidence Arteta could actually transfer them to the training pitch, or get players to buy into the way he wants the game to be played if handed the plum role – but many of which I wholeheartedly agree with....and how I wish to see somebody "do something new" with this staid, shrivelled-balled, play-it-safe football club, that once upon a time were prepared to go where others were wary to tread.
Just to re-iterate, I'm not saying I believe Arteta is the right man for the job, but it is an option that genuinely intrigues me, one that should at least be worthy of consideration given the seeming lack of contenders for the role and, if the club are going to go full-speed down the potential Mini-Me path anyway, by risking a massive roll of the dice on the twice chopped off at the Premier League root, 4 jobs in 3.5 years, no sooner has he started than he's slinging his hook, 'new Poch', Marco Silva, then they may as well go the whole hog and slap it all down on the (only marginally riskier, in my opinion) raw rookie who has been picking up nuggets while learning next to the nonpareil. Zero experience maybe, but also minus any troubling stains or premature scarpering on his record and the prospect of even richer reward if everything lands right.
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1 Posted 24/05/2018 at 22:24:54
I am fickle enough admit that you have sold me on Arteta. Steve Ferns,over to you. By the way, John, dare I mention Eddie Howe?
2 Posted 24/05/2018 at 23:15:57
3 Posted 24/05/2018 at 00:02:37
Personally, I thought Arteta a good player, but no more than that. I didn't often see him produce the "120%" he now says he'd demand from any player he coaches either. I also can't remember a club who went on to winning Champions League qualification doing it with a manager with zero experience of management beforehand.
Silva is dragging on but from what I've read he's always imported his own coaches to assist him at every club he's managed. Will he be allowed to do this at Finch Farm because, if he is, P45's will surely be issued to those now there who say they "get" Everton? For all of them, by way of their ages, that's the Everton who've never come close to winning the league for over thirty years. Enough!
Silva's a gamble but his record is somewhat better than Pochettino's before he came to the UK. As ever, who knows though?
4 Posted 24/05/2018 at 00:08:56
Now I want Arteta, boy, am I fickle, or am I?
5 Posted 24/05/2018 at 00:38:57
Got no problem we Arteta being signed. Other do. I don't.
Silva might be the man. Looking all but signed. He might continue his failings in the Premier League. Contrarily, he might show us what made him so successful in Portugal and at Olympiacos. No one knows.
Miki as manager is a blank slate. No one knows.
Is Brand simply letting Silva know how things are going to be run before he's signed? That's seems to be what's going to happen.
But if Brand is actually working the process of interviewing candidates because recommending a choice to Moshiri? Why not Arteta? He's no worse a gamble than Silva.
6 Posted 25/05/2018 at 01:11:56
Let me start by saying that you and I had a (friendly) exchange at the time of Sam Allardyce's appointment. I suggested that he might get us playing decent football once things settled down. John, you were right and I was wrong â€“ spectacularly so in both cases.
But, even though I am an old dog, I have learnt from that experience, and come to realise that we need a young man with new ideas. Arteta as you have so logically asserted, fits the bill and is the best candidate for the job.
I hope there is more to the delay in the manager announcement than a dotting of the i's and crossing of the t's.
I am convinced that If the club had the courage and vision to make this appointment it and we, would be rewarded in spades and that if Arteta led the team out for the first game of next season, the Old Lady would erupt.
7 Posted 25/05/2018 at 01:29:01
Well Don, do these count? A quick interweb search turned up this,
“Zidane has joined JosÃ© Villalonga, Miguel MuÃ±oz, Tony Barton, Guus Hiddink, Joe Fagan, Vicente del Bosque and Josep Guardiola in winning the top prize in his first season as a coach.â€
Though Pep did manage Barca B before taking over the first team.
So, it looks like it can be done, but I doubt it will happen with us. Here's to dreaming!
8 Posted 25/05/2018 at 02:05:45
Your arguments for Arteta are fantastic. I simply fear Everton would be too big a job for his initial managerial role, despite your points to the contrary.
Silva is young and I believe he'll be coming here for the long term. He's highly regarded inside the game seemingly, as was Poch.
There's always a whoopin' stick to beat people with. I've heard criticism of Poch recently because he hasn't won anything. I find that laughable he's done a fantastic job at Spurs.
That same whoopin' stick can be used to minimize Silva's accomplishments.
I have a feeling about Silva. I think he'll do well at Everton.
Brilliant contribution Mr. Daly. Concise? No. Entertaining? Very much so. Intelligent? Yes.
9 Posted 25/05/2018 at 03:02:53
10 Posted 25/05/2018 at 03:10:23
And welcome back. After reading so much gibberish about the latest "flavour of the month", it's refreshing to see an article written by somebody who is prepared to give it a little thought.
Of course by bringing a little bit of realism you will be accused of "hammering a guy before he is in the door", but you raise some very valid points.
Some people just seem unable to accept the fact that a manager has to have a start to his career, a period where they are "Rookies". "Nah, don't be daft, lad... He hasn't done 10 years in the lower leagues learning his trade"... Its abject nonsense as Paul @ 7 so very clearly demonstrates.
People like Bob Paisley and Johan Cruyff would have been overlooked if these footballing Einsteins had their way.
Arteta may not be the answer, but those who dismiss him (or any other guy who hasn't "paid his dues") out of hand, are simply demonstrating how blinkered they are.
I think the blinkered have shown very very poor judgement in recent years. They have called for and got a string of second-rate "flavour of the month" managers, with "proven experience" Worse still they have pleaded for more time when it's been blindingly obvious that we have hired the wrong guy.
There is a touch of Teresa May about them â€“ the more often they get it wrong, the more authority they feel they are entitled to speak with.
You are a skilled writer, JD. I like that your opinions are your own and not simply a regurgitation of something somebody else has said.
Come back with more... soon!
11 Posted 25/05/2018 at 04:35:06
John, both you and Steve Ferns do well in selling the sizzle of your chosen brand of sausage.
The only good thing is that Moshiri (hopefully) won't be listening to, Jim White, Kenwright, Walsh or whoever it was put the idea of Koeman in his head.
Silva â€“ did a good if short jobs with Hull, Watford, et al. Vs Arteta â€“ good enough for the gooners, (but not us?) He was, we were being led to believe, a serious contender for Wenger's job... this is the Wenger that many would have carried piggy back up the M1 & M6 to Walton, if he so much as gave the merest Gallic shrug of acceptance for the job.
If not one of these 2, who else? Emery and Tuchel are sorted now, Pelligrino? nah. Howe? His Mrs, like Giroud's, has severe postcode preferences. Dyche? won't happen, he'll want a crack at the Thursday Night cup.
As it's all a gamble anyway and I could live with either come August, and if Arteta wanted to put his boots on instead Schneiderlin, well who would complain, for a few games at least... but that might be a case of once romantically Rooney-ed, twice shy.
12 Posted 25/05/2018 at 04:55:06
13 Posted 25/05/2018 at 04:57:40
Mind you I thought that about President of the United States (actually, I was right about that).
14 Posted 25/05/2018 at 05:14:48
During his time at Everton, he was my favourite player. I loved the guy. His football brain was first evident for me when he suffered that dreadful injury against Newcastle. He was never the same player again. He didn't ever recover his full abilities. This is usually where the story ends and the player's career limps to a sad end.
But not Arteta. He made no secret that he preferred to play centrally. Moyes didn't trust flair players in the middle and so pushed Arteta to the wing knowing that he had defensive solidity in the middle and that Arteta could come inside and dictate play in the middle when we had the ball. With the injury, he couldn't play as a winger anymore. The acceleration was gone. He was then left battling with Jack Rodwell for a central midfield position and if I correctly recall it, some were happy to see the back of Arteta. The Spaniard didn't want to sit on the bench and watch a younger man, and seemed to be ready for a new challenge having given us the best years of his career.
At Arsenal he got what he wanted, the chance to be the midfield general and he excelled in the role. Thereby showing that unlike the other players who lose an important part of their game, he could adapt. Arteta was like a matador in his pomp. Defenders would charge at him like a bull, and he would use his quick feet to move the ball away at the last second, to the delight of the Goodison faithful. The speed of foot was the skill he lost the most and instead he relied on, and further developed, his passing abilities. He also learnt to read the game better, and use anticipation to make up for his lost pace.
So sure, Arteta has a lot of tools at his disposal to become a good manager. He's played at a number of great clubs, Arsenal, ourselves, Rangers and Paris Saint-Germain. He's played under managers with opposing styles. He's learning from Guardiola in a great position to understand why Guardiola is doing what he's doing.
I still think Arteta has a lot more to learn. He's been in his present job 2 years. He's never been head coach or manager before. He's only completed his coaching courses in the last two years, so unlike all those guys listed like Bob Paisley, he is still a young coach and he is still learning.
This Everton team need a coach. They do not need someone just to keep them ticking over. Liverpool right now will be doing coaching in terms of retaining their fitness, keeping sharp and just keeping ticking over. You can go through the usual routines for this. Sure, Klopp might want to coach in a few particular things, such as a way to combat Ronaldo, how to shackle the unstoppable Marcelo and then turn the tables by attacking him because he is actually one of the worst fullbacks defensively and Salah should rip him to shreds.
People question Silva and belittle his achievements to suit their own agenda. His achievements with Estoril are quite simply superb. He took a bankrupt middle-of-the-road second-tier club and in much less than a full season, not only turned them around, but won the league. That is a miraculous achievement in itself. Then he took them to a record 5th in the top tier, and European football for the first time. Then despite the distractions of European football, which have hindered our own club in every but one of European campaigns we have had in the last 30 years, he actually improved and went one better, a record 4th position.
Some of you need to actually digest what he did there. He spent no money, he had a team of players no one wanted, a club that was bankrupt, he beat talented managers like Fonseca, and he defied all the odds time and again. Every club in Portugal wanted him. He turned down the Porto job twice. Porto hadn't lost at home for 8 years, until Silva brought little Estoril into town and beat them, initiating the sequence that got Fonseca sacked a couple of weeks later. People still talk about the time that Silva got Estoril into Europe now, they still can't believe he did it.
His job at Sporting cannot be underestimated either. But it is. Jardim had them in second, but Silva got more points in getting them to third. He also won their first major trophy since 2008, and sorry Jay, but I'll dismiss the League Cup like the Portuguese do as you don't get anything for winning it (no Europe), it remains the only major trophy they have won since 2008. The Sporting fans remember Silva with fondness. They rate him very highly and think he could go on to great things.
Then there is his season in Greece. A one-horse race apparently. A one-horse race they came third in this year. If it is indeed a one-horse race, how can a good coach prove he is so in such a race? How about winning it in the most empathetic way of all time? Well that's what Silva did. 30 games, 1 loss, 1 draw, 28 victories. He set a number of records in Greece.
He set a number of records in Europe including 17 consecutive victories. His points per game for that season is also a record. No manager in Greece has ever won a higher percentage of games in a season, though one did win more games by playing more games. Silva also took his Greek side to The Emirates and beat Arsenal in the Champions League. His second season in that competition. His fourth consecutive season in European Competition.
Everton need coaching. They need a man with answers. They don't need a man still learning. Silva is a man who gets his message across. His players, nearly all of them, go on about how much they learnt off him. How much can you learn off a novice manager? Comparing Silva manhandling his defenders into position with a seedy gym teacher in humorous, but it is dismissive of what he is doing. The players are failing to understand what is asked of them. This means that he is teaching something new, something different, and they can't quite grasp it.
Who was the manager before Silva at Hull, Mike Phelan. Yes that's Mike Phelan of Man Utd who would have everyone believe that all the last few Man Utd titles were all down to him as he was in effect head-coach.
Who was Watford manager before Silva at Watford? Walter Mazzaeri. He's a manager who has won titles in Italy, returned Napoli to competitiveness and managed Inter Milan. Yet Silva was able to teach these players things that these other experienced coaches could not.
Arteta should be a top coach. He just needs to finish learning before he starts teaching. It's too soon. We need a man with answers now. We need experience, but we also need energy, hunger, and determination.
Of all the possible candidates, I'd actually pick Maurizio Sarri first. He's certain for Chelsea though. Whilst he is anything but young, he is full of energy, hunger and determination as he is still young in terms of managing at the top level and still only just over 10 years into a professional coaching career. We'll all see shortly why he's such a good manager, and no doubt be entertained by his antics once he's formally appointed at Chelsea.
Silva is then the best of the other candidates for me, and that included Fonseca. When considering who's the best man for the job, I think you should consider how they would win Everton the league. What are the skills they possess to do it? Forget what they have won, how would they actually go about winning the league for Everton? Silva might well fall flat on his face, but there are a number of signs there that he is a really special head-coach. His coaching ability is second to absolutely no one.
You can see the evidence for yourself, by watching the videos, but you can also listen to the players and a long list testimonies from the players who love him like Ricarlison, Evandro, and Kostas Fortounis. Even the players who don't love him like Troy Deeney give a glowing reference. Or players like the tragic Ryan Mason, who have nothing to gain, hail the man and his methods.
Ultimately, Marco Silva will be Everton manager. Moshiri will not let him slip through our fingers at this stage. He has put too much into this. Backing out now, doing a U-turn, or letting Silva go elsewhere, will be something he would think would make him look foolish. Now he wants to get his man. Brands will know that this is the man we want. The only issue is whether they can work together. I see no reason why not.
The majority of players Silva signs are former players he had before. He took Estoril players to Sporting and to Olympiacos and to Hull. I expect him to give the name of Carvalho to Brands as his first major signing, and other than that, he will let Brands get on with things. Silva will want a say on who is signed and who leaves, but he will not want to get involved in all the dealings and that will suit Brands. Both prefer the modern football coach Brands alluded too. Having briefly been Director of Football, Silva knows the job and where the dividing line is.
15 Posted 25/05/2018 at 06:31:26
Come home, Micky!
16 Posted 25/05/2018 at 06:40:39
My preference has been for a top manager, but with Tuchel, Ancelotti, and Emery now hired elsewhere and Sarri potentially headed to Chelsea, that leaves Conte who will take a break.
Brands seems to prefer a young manager who can work with young players. If that is the plan, then once again I don't see why Silva is a better hire than Arteta or Howe based on his modest record in England with his last two clubs.
17 Posted 25/05/2018 at 06:52:45
I still think West Ham have got the best option available to clubs outside the top tier but time will tell, as usual.
18 Posted 25/05/2018 at 08:05:28
19 Posted 25/05/2018 at 08:28:04
Steve Ferns, great post, although I've had a haircut and 2 shaves before I finished it. ðŸ˜.
Is the hiatus before Silva's appointment so that Brands can properly suss up all candidates?
Let's have a super Spanish weekend. Starting with Real Madrid tomorrow!
20 Posted 25/05/2018 at 12:12:56
What I always wonder about managers is what staff they are going to bring with them. Even Sam has little Sam and Shakespeare â€“ that's a lot of experience of something.
You'd think Arteta would need decent coaches around him.
21 Posted 25/05/2018 at 12:16:22
My preference has been for Spaletti but, now Inter are in the Champions League, I doubt he would leave them for us.
Appointing Silva with his recent record in the Premier League is too risky a decision for me, the sort of decision that if it goes wrong you look back at and say 'why did we appoint a feller whose two most recent clubs sacked him, one getting relegated and one just clinging on?'
I liked the words from Arteta and, if those words are turned into action, then I am sure he will make a good manager. I don't think the club will appoint him. I think they will go for Silva and we will come to regret it but I hope not.
22 Posted 25/05/2018 at 12:41:15
Fagan and Barton emerged from the shadows of Paisley and Saunders, inheriting championship-winning squads in the process. Fagan lasted two years from memory and Barton was sacked two years after taking what was in effect Saunders' team to success in winning the European Cup. Neither therefore convince me they were good appointments.
And for the record I'm not sure Silva will be either but I'll refrain from denigrating him before he's even appointed, being a fan an' all.
23 Posted 25/05/2018 at 12:59:28
I do like 'left field thinking', especially one such as this whereby the 'risk-reward' factor could â€“ only could - pay such rich dividends.
Heaven knows, 'perceived wisdom' such as recycling and appointing 'known' managers with mediocre track records has not moved Everton forward.
No appointment â€“ be it DoF, manager or player - no matter what their previous history, ability or experience comes with gilt-edged guarantees.
But it really is time if Moshiri's 'project' is to have legs and any sort of credibility that we appoint a manager who can at least entertain us and move us upward and forward.
And Steve @ 14. Once again, you cannot on the one hand say "People question Silva and belittle his achievements to suit their own agenda" and then on the other â€“ as you have repeatedly done - continue to falsely claim Silva's cup victory with Sporting on his watch is the only trophy they have won in 10 years.
Who are you, Steve, to determine the Portuguese League Cup they won in January this year, 2018, does not count?
Who are you, Steve, to declare the Portuguese 'dismiss' it? I've lived in Portugal, Steve. I'm a Sporting fan, with many Sporting friends.
Believe me, they took to the streets all over the country in January (as Portuguese supporters do when the team wins a major trophy) hooting their car horns, flying the Sporting colours.
Could it be you wish to airbrush Sporting's most recent cup success out of history (cough!) "to suit YOUR own agenda", the promotion and near-canonization of Marco Silva as Everton manager?
You've made a strong case for Silva, Steve.
There is no need at all to continue pedalling the lie that you attempt on this point.
24 Posted 25/05/2018 at 14:37:40
I also think Steve Ferns post has great value and makes some very pertinent points.
I think, however, the die is cast and it is Silva. If it wasn't and Arteta was genuinely in the frame, it would be just as intriguing to see which coaches he would bring along with him.
Thanks again, John, great piece.
25 Posted 25/05/2018 at 14:46:03
My mates are from in and around Lisbon, although they live in the Algarve. They tell me that Sporting is only interested in the League, which they have not won since 2002. And it seems a bit like Arsenal in that regard, where they weren't exactly doing cartwheels last season after winning the Cup.
Rest assured, when my mates came over, a couple of months ago, I did my bit for the Liverpool Tourist board and ensured they saw all the sights, and that expectations were well and truly met and surpassed. It's just a pity I couldn't take them to watch the blues, although my Dad is slowly turning them into Everton fans.
26 Posted 25/05/2018 at 16:15:58
If you know Portugal at all (a country of a mere 10 million inhabitants that you can cross east to west in 3-4 hours, north to south in half a day), you well know that Benfica and Sporting (and increasingly Porto) are nationally supported, often to the cost of the local teams in the provinces.
I'll lay money with you that in every village, town or city, in the Algarve or elsewhere, the night Sporting won the League Cup in January, Sporting supporters took to the streets to celebrate as I described. It counted!
Of course, any football supporter, in any country or league, craves the league title above all domestic prizes.
Like it or not, as here in England, Portugal's professional teams have 3 shots at a domestic trophy each season: The League, their FA Cup equivalent and the League Cup, in the same order of preference we place on them.
It is deceitful of you (and really unnecessary) to continue to falsely claim Sporting's only trophy in 10 years was under Silva when they picked one up in January of this year.
27 Posted 25/05/2018 at 17:04:28
Arteta was a great player and playmaker for Everton. He has intelligently picked his way through this coaching career so far. I think the issue is how tough is he. It's going to need someone really tough to sort out the dressing room and be able to work with Brands to achieve a total overhaul of the Club.
It's very doubtful that Silva has. I am with you: give Arteta a chance. Wenger and Guardiola think he is good enough. But Moshiri is going to need to be tough as well to give the go ahead. In a 5-year plan, Arteta could grow with the Club.
I think that Silva's appointment is far from certain. Some said on one of the threads that Arteta was at Goodison Park today. . .
28 Posted 25/05/2018 at 17:17:45
29 Posted 25/05/2018 at 18:17:01
When Paisley retired he recommended Fagan to take over the job as manager, although reluctant he did move into the manager's seat.
Joe was only in that position for two years, winning three major honours in his first season including the European Cup and getting Liverpool into the final of the European Cup the next year, the ill-fated Heysel final, he retired after that final and people who knew him said he was never the same man again after witnessing those horrific scenes and deaths.
Joe was a down to earth man who always wore the same-sized hat, never went over the top like some people who get to the top of their profession.
31 Posted 25/05/2018 at 18:33:12
I wish Arteta well, but it's clear to me that we need someone with a bit of experience. A novice might be able to take over a well-run club and carry the baton while he is coming to terms with the job. It's a different job entirely taking over a club in turmoil and trying to steady the ship.
32 Posted 25/05/2018 at 18:39:16
Bertie Mee was the Arsenal physio when he took over as the manager. Arsenal had not won anything in 15 years and he eventually guided them to a League and Cup double which was rare in those days. Note: I'm not advocating Arteta to be the manager, he's a risk same as Silva, but they may be the best available who will come to Everton.
The mission spelt out by Moshiri is to get into the top four, not six, as soon as. â€” Does anybody seriously think the Brands - Silva combination will get Everton into the top four?
33 Posted 25/05/2018 at 18:50:20
I guess I'm a little giddy now the dinosaur has left our club. We need to embrace some new thinking at all levels.
It's great to have you back, John, I have missed your wit, laconic wisdom and pithy put-downs. The Half-Man, Half-Biscuit of TW returns.
34 Posted 25/05/2018 at 19:37:33
35 Posted 25/05/2018 at 19:40:45
We have just employed a DoF and are looking for a coach, not a manager, who will have limited control over personnel etc.
I voted for Mikki in the poll because I think he could be a good manager, but if he won't work under Brands then it is a pointless argument.
36 Posted 25/05/2018 at 20:00:04
And Ron (#32), I quoted Moshiri from his much-vaunted, still unadjusted, "three-year-project" to qualify for the Champions League from his take-over in 2016 and, no, I don't expect Brands & Silva to achieve it either, but I hope they do!
37 Posted 25/05/2018 at 20:18:15
When Shankly came in, he explained he was bringing no other coaches with him but would utilise the coaches who were already there and although he was the boss he stated they were all part of one team who would pool all their ideas together.
Personally, I think Shankly robbed all their plans and used them as his own, he had never been a success anywhere else until he came to Liverpool.
38 Posted 25/05/2018 at 20:26:30
I'm also probably paranoid about employing another ex-player who may well be really rated by Kenwright as a coach!
39 Posted 25/05/2018 at 20:47:52
40 Posted 25/05/2018 at 21:25:38
I was chatting in work today with a fellow blue. He made a good point that Silva is the type of appointment we would expect pre Moshiri. I have to agree although I've got a good feeling about him. I think the next few weeks could be exciting with Brands and Silva being announced and some new signings to follow
41 Posted 25/05/2018 at 21:36:17
I just want to say, please, do not stop contributing. You are always erudite, entertaining and have something worth saying.
42 Posted 25/05/2018 at 22:46:21
I'd be happy with Arteta but I think it represents a massive risk.
Roy Keane learnt the game under the best manager the Premier League has ever had. He was his captain and a hugely respected player with no small amount of football intelligence. Terrible manager though.
43 Posted 25/05/2018 at 01:49:28
I'm of the opinion we would not have been relegated but Sam was brought in to reduce that risk. 90% didn't want him including myself.
I hoped for the best but being convinced of the rubbish he would serve up I stopped attending games. It felt it wasn't worth spending time and money on crap whilst getting frustrated watching what turned out to be some of the most awful football ever witnessed, according to fans posting on this site. So in a way I was happy with not attending although sad that it came to that.
Flip back to Koeman, he wasn't in my top 5 realistic coaches to appoint but I was impressed with the 2 rebuilding jobs he did at Southampton. He ticked a few boxes and proved himself in the Premier League. We needed rebuilding and backed up the appointment hoping he would rebuild whilst playing good football and taking strides forward to battle for a top 6 place.
Sadly, the football was pretty poor, no obvious game plan, interplay or coordinated onfield tactics. Talk of improving fitness and playing on the front foot closing opposition players down remained just talk.
He publicly criticised Barkley when the whole team failed to impress. The rebuilding Southampton style also failed to materialise and the writing was on the wall for what followed. Admittedly the set up and Walsh must also take some blame.
Now, once again, my top 5 realistically attainable managers to improve us whilst minimising risks, have all been snapped up.
Arteta has turned down Arsenal so there will be no way he would come to Everton this summer. I think this is a good thing all around. A few more years experience for Arteta and hopefully a more proven less risky manager for us. No 2s of great managers don't necessarily make successful managers. See Man Utd's several famed coaches fail after working with the most successful Premier League manager ever.
I'm unconvinced by Silva and I do see a lot of Martinez in his teams attacking style of play. I am convinced however that he's a good coach that will quickly get us playing more attractive football which he impressively achieved within a few weeks at Hull and again with Watford.
So, if it is to be Silva, I will be satisfied that the style of football will improve and bring some excitement back. Weather it means points on the board consistently over a full season remains the big question. But it's a start with optimism; positive football and fans fully engaged will help breed confidence and success.
44 Posted 26/05/2018 at 02:12:28
45 Posted 26/05/2018 at 15:15:31
As for the opinions of Pocchetino. Who is he to have his position held in such high esteem? He's just David Moyes from Argentina. Hasn't won a bean in three jobs in a row. It was only recently that he managed to surpass the win percentage of the much maligned and ridiculed AVB - A man with a far more impressive CV than his.
Wenger is probably just being nice in his assessment of Arteta. I agree with those that claim we wouldn't even be discussing him if hadn't played for us. Why isn't Frank Lampard being mentioned? He's looking for a job and hasn't got any track record of management either.
46 Posted 26/05/2018 at 16:06:06
We are always looking for the "next big thing" in managerial circles, but have certainly been hampered by employing grateful yes men, who will kneel at the altar of King Bill - CBE.
All great managers have a common demoninator, They can motivate players to give their all. These guys are more like talented psychologists rather then tactical geniuses. They obviously know how to set up a team, but I always enjoy the story that the lovely Souness tells about the time he joined the shite. On asking the manager where he wanted him to play, the reply came: "We've just paid all this fucking money for you, and you're asking me where you should be on the pitch."
That kinda sums it up for me. Even the great Utd sides of recent times have said Ferguson wasn't a particularly tactical coach, but they just didn't want to let him down, or they were equally shit-scrared of him.
Getting back to my first point, if Pellegrini has this West Ham side playing great football, then I don't think it's down to a tactical master-class, it's because the players want to give that bit extra.
Silva, Arteta, whomever. They've all got to blow the cobwebs out of Goodison, and drag the club into the modern era. I'll believe that's happening if we see the back of the likes of Ferguson on the bench, no matter who the manager is. What the fuck is that all about?
P.S . Keep posting JD. The next 'Legends' night isn't that far away. (next one is in a couple of weeks, some feller who played three times for us in the '70's)
47 Posted 26/05/2018 at 19:33:24
All valid and proven points. It sums up the club, in that, after selling their soul to the Devil in terms of football for 7 months, we are likely to be again in what I see as a very high-risk installation with Marco Silva. The fact we don't appear to be pursuing any other candidate, suggests this deal is as good as done.
Well, by later this evening, fate may conspire and the demand and necessity for success (I hope fate is kind and Real Madrid win) but this just cranks up the pressure on EFC.
God grant us salvation next season as it's gonna be a tough one for all teams, but for now, let's hope soon the club puts in the new manager, and he is backed 100% by all Evertonians.
48 Posted 26/05/2018 at 19:38:26
Honestly, I would take Howe over Silva.
Ralph HasenhÃ¼ttl was the guy I was pimping as a Sam successor earlier this year, whilst thinking there was no chance of it ever happening. As he has since become unexpectedly available, I would like to think he would at least be considered for even a nanosecond but it seems Silva is nailed on.
Prior to Koeman being appointed, Philip Cocu was my personal choice. A coach with close ties and a successful track record of previously working in tandem with our new top man, Marcel Brands.
I can't see PSV countenancing him pissing off as well, and besides, 'going Dutch' has since lost some of its gloss, but again I would just like to think other options are being explored other than 'that bloke who was doing alright back in October', because they are out there.
49 Posted 26/05/2018 at 19:42:21
Although Andre Villas-Boas didn't disgrace himself at Spurs, I suspect, if you asked any of their supporters if they would have him back over Pochettino, the unanimous response would probably be the same sort of puke-stifling, screwed-face look that would swiftly follow someone being asked if they would like to smell a spilt, six-month-old, liposuction sack with 'Ms Liza Minelli' scrawled on the label.
As for the brilliantly rocambolesque claim that, really, Pochettino is simply an 'Argentinian Moyes' with slightly less of a slapped-arse mug? So, that's qualified for the Champions League three times in four seasons vs qualified for the Champions League... err... never. Poor sod must be sick to death of the 'second Davey' slurs persistently showering down upon him by now.
Yep, I can just imagine the Spurs squad singing "Cheer Up Mauri" and him sobbing uncontrollably when they get to the "People will call you ****** *****" part:
50 Posted 26/05/2018 at 00:17:31
Pochettino has a far from spectacular managerial record prior to his recent 'success' at Spurs. He managed only middle table, run of the mill, obscurity with Espanyol before being sacked and his record with Southampton, which included winning 13 of his first 42 games, something Silva is being slagged off for, was immediately bettered by Ronald Koeman.
Whilst relatively speaking he has done well at Spurs you have to take into account the fact they managed 69 points in season prior to his arrival. Are a generally well run club who raise funds predominantly by selling fringe players for surprisingly high fees and then reinvesting the proceeds in improving their team and have produced players such as Harry Kane who's goals have been invaluable to Pochettino while he has been there.
I think the comparison in Champions League qualification records with Moyes, who did manage one, is unfair, given the fact that he operated on absolutely nothing, saw his best players being sold, inherited a truly awful team that was perennially fighting relegation and managed in an era where the best teams in England were permanent fixtures in the latter stages of the Champions League.
I would put the 'success' of Pochettino down to Spurs being a well run club and improving their squad year in year out. The emergence of young talents like Kane and the generally poor standard of the Premier League as a whole, with many formerly top clubs either struggling to live up to former glories or yo-yoing up and down and constantly changing managers.
He, like Moyes, has won nothing, and I would happily bet, never will.
51 Posted 27/05/2018 at 01:55:20
Come on down, Rafa!
52 Posted 27/05/2018 at 11:33:42
Arteta was my preference from day one and I was hammered by Mr Bennings and a few others for suggesting him.
I agree with everything you say on this â€” yes, he would be a risk but worth a try surely. However, I agree with Phil Walling that I think Silva has had this job since he left Watford. He hasn't had a sniff of any other job since and I do wonder if the agreement was made at that time that Sam would not last and the job was then his. I do hope not but it seems strange that he should remain out of work...
The most important aspect to this is that the new manager can work with the DoF as a team. Walsh (who, in my opinion, was no more than a scout who had some success and was elevated way beyond his ability) clearly was not respected by Koeman and there appeared to be a distinct lack of harmony, resulting in some of the ridiculous transfers which we are now stuck with.
If it means Cocu coming in because he works well with Marcel Brands, then great... because, if the management works in harmony, then surely they can get the players to do so.
It should be an interesting week but don't stop posting, John â€”I don't always agree with everything you say but you are superbly entertaining!
53 Posted 28/05/2018 at 21:27:24
As for backing a â€˜guy' for me those days are over This article, albeit fun, reaffirms my thoughts.
Everton should and are likely to go through coaches under a DoF until both the style of football and minimum expectations are met.
Despite pervading wisdom and often staid logic that time, patience brings success? I'm unsure I can demonstrate that, especially at Everton.
The coach appointed really needs to adapt the clubs style and go from there,
if they cannot then tough.
The disconnect and money have driven this type of environment, so Everton will have to live with it, they have had a heavy helping hand in creating it!
54 Posted 30/05/2018 at 23:36:32
All appointments encapsulate elements of risk, which are usually accompanied, in hindsight of course, by outbursts of "I told you so" whether it be a positive or negative consequence.
Like many, Silva is not my choice, but it does look increasingly likely that the post will be his come the end of the of the week. I will of course, support him, any marginal candidate has to be better than the most unpopular of all, who has gladly been sacked.
I sincerely hope he proves us doubters wrong, only time will tell.
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