Sheedy takes coaching role in Saudi Arabia

Tuesday 18 July 2017  44 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton playing legend and former Academy coach Kevin Sheedy has been appointed to a new coaching role at Al-Shabab.

The 57-year-old's surprise departure from Finch Farm, where he had been in charge of the Under-18s, was confirmed a few days ago and he has taken the next step in his career in the Middle East.

Al-Shabab's head coach is Sami Al-Jaber who played 106 times for the Saudi national team.  

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Charlie Lloyd
1 Posted 18/07/2017 at 07:04:09
Is there a story behind him leaving the club? Will we ever find out?

One thing is certain he has served the club excellently as a player and coach.

Wish him all the best in his new role.

Steve Bingham
2 Posted 18/07/2017 at 09:16:42
Wish him the best in his new position. All the best .
Matt Williams
3 Posted 18/07/2017 at 10:04:33
This is the first bit of bad news to come out of the club for a while. I'm sure Sheeds played a major a part in the early development of David Unsworth's U23s.

Brilliant player and fantastic coach. Good luck, Sheeds.

Steve Ferns
4 Posted 18/07/2017 at 10:17:47
Sheedy won't spill the beans, he loves the club too much for that, whatever the reason that he left.

I hope he enjoys the sunshine and is getting a good wedge.

Dick Fearon
5 Posted 18/07/2017 at 10:28:28
Hopefully things have changed since the princes would be chauffered to training in their Rollers accompanied by a servant to run their laps.
Ray Roche
6 Posted 18/07/2017 at 11:02:37
Steve, maybe there aren't any beans to spill. Maybe some Sheikh just said "Here, Sheeds, take this £100k a week and coach these kids." Not every move has a hidden agenda or story to it.
Des Farren
7 Posted 18/07/2017 at 12:25:06
We will find out in due course. Meanwhile we are entitled to make an educated guess. With no info forthcoming from either side, mine is that the nature of his departure is an embarrassment to the club and would be an even greater embarrassment if Sheedy were to make a statement.
Steve Ferns
8 Posted 18/07/2017 at 12:30:00
Maybe those are the beans to spill Ray. He was offered a fortune and went chasing the money. If he did, why not? Good luck to him. He's given to the club many times over.
Ray Roche
9 Posted 18/07/2017 at 12:31:54

"We are entitled to make an educated guess". On what basis do you regard your comment as an "educated guess", a phrase which suggests to me that one would require some definitive inside knowledge of what has gone on? Otherwise it's just a guess with no foundation.

How about, "My guess is that Sheeds has gone chasing the Arab money and lining his pocket"? Just as valid?

Sheeds is one of my all-time favourites so don't think I'm having a go at him, I'm just playing the devil's advocate.

Ray Roche
10 Posted 18/07/2017 at 12:35:52
Yes, Steve, damn good luck to the lad, however, the tone of some comments on TW referring to Unsworth as "Billy Big Bollocks" (or similar) make me think that people are assuming that the Club or Unsworth are at fault.

I just hope Sheeds has had an offer that's just too good to turn down and nothing else. Thankfully it doesn't appear to be health related.

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 18/07/2017 at 12:41:43
I think most of us, myself included, think the sun shines out of Unsy's arse right now!

I would say we always produce a load of good kids, particularly for the youth level, if not always for the first team level, but Unsy has been able to nurture them well.

On an aside, would anyone who watches the lower age ranges be able to confirm that there is not much coming through in the 17-19 year old age range? If so, it makes sense that we are signing new players to make up for our local deficiency.

I really hope Ronald keeps a path to the first team clear for the best of them.

Jay Wood
12 Posted 18/07/2017 at 12:44:21
Des @ 7.

More a wild stab in the dark than a (cough!) 'educated guess'.

Brent Stephens
13 Posted 18/07/2017 at 13:12:52
NITK suddenly becomes "educated guess"?
David Pearl
14 Posted 18/07/2017 at 13:45:13
Isn't that how some Sun reporters write stories; with a stab in the dark?

This offer was made to him and he fancied some sun for a year or two. That's mine.

Peter Gorman
15 Posted 18/07/2017 at 13:57:21
With no information forthcoming from either side, my educated guess is Sheeds was a KGB sleeper agent that got rumbled by Unsy and Ebbrell following a 25-year investigation. He has since fled to Saudi Arabia en route to his masters in the Kremlin.

Thoughts Des?

Anthony Dwyer
16 Posted 18/07/2017 at 14:31:10
I was told 3 weeks ago he had been sacked! Unsworth was apparently to blame, he was called a snake by the guy who told me.

I for one have always like Unsie, just telling you what I was told.

Jay Wood
17 Posted 18/07/2017 at 14:43:34
Peter @ 15.

When you add all the pieces together, your post is the only logical conclusion anyone offering an educated guess could realistically reach.

Sheeds scoring at the Kop end and giving them the 'Vees' was obviously an encrypted message to 'the Reds', the consequences of which are only now beginning to emerge.

David Ellis
19 Posted 18/07/2017 at 16:01:56
Thank goodness there is a game tomorrow. It will give us something else to talk about.
Rudi Coote
20 Posted 18/07/2017 at 16:32:18
I wish him well.

Although I wouldn't touch Saudi with a shitty stick... He's better than that.

Mark Taylor
21 Posted 18/07/2017 at 16:52:34
If he's going to Saudi, he must be going for some very big money. There is otherwise no reason to go there and very many reasons not to.

Nothing wrong with that either, they have to pay big to get people to work there and so it is likely to be a temptingly high premium over what he'd earn in the UK. And tax free.

Peter Roberts
22 Posted 18/07/2017 at 17:31:55
For someone who played for a pittance compared to the wages players are on now, I'm not surprised he's taken a job which will ultimately secure his pension for the rest of his life. And as someone rightly pointed out, he has more than served our club well so who are we to begrudge him a last big pay check?
Des Farren
23 Posted 18/07/2017 at 18:14:30

Having "definitive inside knowledge" would hardly qualify as a guess. Sheedy has been an employee of the same club for past 25 years and the manner of his departure, without any explanation, is strange to say the least. I therefore concluded, deduced, whatever term you prefer, that his departure was not amicable. Not a stretch.

Your opinion is every bit as valid as mine, I just look at the balance of probability and think my deductions are more credible.

Eric Myles
24 Posted 18/07/2017 at 18:47:53
Mark (#21), salaries in Saudi are not really much better than in UK. The advantages are that you don't pay tax and there's nothing to spend money on.
Peter Lee
25 Posted 18/07/2017 at 20:13:24
Des, fine, except he hasn't been employed by EFC for the past 25 years.

He signed 35 years ago and played for two other clubs then was assistant manager at two more when he finished playing for the Blues.

I heard a few weeks ago that he had been sacked. Why the fuss? We sacked Royle and Kendall, twice in his case. Someone had made a judgement call.

That's the way it works.

Doesn't mean that we don't appreciate what he did for the club as a player.

Gary Edwards
26 Posted 18/07/2017 at 20:32:58
Eric you may be correct but do you know what he was earning at EFC and what he'll be earning in Saudi?

In various walks of life, many people go to work in Saudi purely for financial reasons, there is no other possible reason – why would Sheedy be any different?

Ray Roche
27 Posted 18/07/2017 at 20:55:24
Des, I think that "definitive inside knowledge" would be the very least you would need to make an "educated" guess, otherwise, like I said, it's just a guess.

Peter Lee has stolen my thunder by pointing out that Sheeds has only been at Everton since the 2006 season when he took over the Under-18s. His last involvement with Everton was 1992. Hardly part of the woodwork then, eh?

Danny Broderick
28 Posted 18/07/2017 at 21:19:48
Sheedy didn't get on too well with Moyes. Could it be that he was frustrated with the lack of faith in young players shown by Moyes? Could it be that he has expressed similar frustration with Koeman?

Only guesswork, but I don't believe Sheedy would have left Everton lightly. Not with the reputation he has gained for nurturing young talent at a club he loves.

Mark Taylor
30 Posted 18/07/2017 at 21:34:30

I worked for over a decade in the Middle East (not Saudi, thank god) and the salaries are definitely higher for most roles; I'm sure for sports coaching it would be even more true. But what you then add is the expat package of a house, car, flights, school fees etc. If you're at all rated, this is what you can expect and it makes the (tax free) salary pretty much your pocket money.

Good luck to Sheedy, though unless he is very stoical, it's a 3-year stint max...

David Graves
31 Posted 18/07/2017 at 21:59:49
Des, why is his departure an embarrassment to the club? Unless I am mistaken, you have absolutely no idea why he has left.

The club has not made a statement and I would "guess" that, due to a possible compromise agreement neither will Sheedy. Here fore we may well never no the reason.

I don't see how you can claim 'credible deductions' based on pure conjecture.

John Crawley
32 Posted 18/07/2017 at 22:03:52
Anthony (#16), I was told the same a week before this was announced. The club's handling of it leaves me in no doubt that what I was told is correct.
Peter Gorman
33 Posted 19/07/2017 at 00:21:52
Steve Ferns, regarding your last question on whether or not much is coming through in the 17- to 19-year-old age range, in short the answer is no.

Beni Baningime counts but he has been playing with the older age group for some time. Same goes for Morgan Feeney, he is also playing with the U23s. Then there is the lad Fraser Hornby we signed from Northampton, assuming we still have him. He looked good.

But no, there do not seem to be youngsters with such obvious talent as Dowell and Kenny, the latter in particular has been impressing for his country's youth teams for a long time.

That all being said, it is early days. Tom Davies's rise was fairly meteoric so who knows which of the younger kids could do the same.

Karl Masters
34 Posted 19/07/2017 at 01:12:49
He hasn't left Everton for a job in Saudi.

He left Everton (with no official explanation, make of that what you will, but the word has been he wasn't happy about it) a few weeks ago, was unemployed and has now landed a job in Saudi. Big difference.

Quite possibly better money, but boring lifestyle and paymasters are also funding terrorism and all sorts (allegedly) in a footballing backwater. A forced career path change, I'd call it.

Eric Myles
35 Posted 19/07/2017 at 03:20:10
Mark #30, I worked in Saudi for over a decade and when I moved to work in Thailand salaries were higher.

I've also worked in Kuwait and UAE 4 times (where I am now).

Eric Myles
36 Posted 19/07/2017 at 03:29:40
Gary (#26), the financial reasons are that you take home 100% of your pay rather than giving 50% of it to a government.

And have no expenses with the company providing accommodation, flights, medical, etc. And you spend virtually nothing in kingdom unless you jet off somewhere for long weekends.

Think what a difference that 50% extra would mean in your UK pay and that's the financial benefit.

Mark Taylor
37 Posted 19/07/2017 at 11:05:44
Hi Eric,

I have never worked in Thailand but I have recruited from there and I'm amazed by your claim. I accept you personally may have earned more there but Thailand is not exactly renowned for paying top dollar to expats, although there will always be exceptions. That's why I was recruiting from there!

I grant you that averages are deceptive and not necessarily directly comparable but according to Gulf Business, the average (western) expat salary in Saudi was $14,300 plus per month and that was in 2015 so I expect it is over $15,000 per month now. I don't know the figures for Thailand but I would be astonished if it were even half that.

Hope you're enjoying the summer heat (not!). At least Ramadan is over...

Peter Gorman
38 Posted 19/07/2017 at 11:20:31
Eric, gizza job. Go on, gizit. Giz a go, go on. I can do that.
Dermot Byrne
39 Posted 19/07/2017 at 11:32:18
Eric: I am stuck in Venezuela having had my wallet, passport, wife and soul stolen.

Can you send me £150,000 so I can get home?

Will repay immediately.

Gary Edwards
40 Posted 19/07/2017 at 11:34:31
Eric, 30 years consulting, over 20 of them as an expat, I've never given any government 50% of my hard earned spondoolies, "ltd co", "offshore" etc. I'm sure you know the score.

As for getting more money in Thailand than in Saudi Arabia, it's possible. I earned more in Asia than I was offered in the Middle East then I worked in Iraq. If he's not gone to Saudi for the money, then the reasons why he's possibly been sacked are obvious: he's daft.

Sheedy's gone and we'll never really know why until he publishes his memoirs. Maybe that's the big plan.

Dermot Byrne
41 Posted 19/07/2017 at 11:38:39
Been in NW England. Paid to have an NHS and other silly but vital bits and bobs for years.

Wink wink... you know the score.

Eric Myles
42 Posted 19/07/2017 at 11:56:13
Mark (#37), it depends on who you are employing of course, but rates in Thailand now are around those you quote for expat engineers.

Of course you have to pay for accommodation, car and beer which you won't have to pay for in Saudi, but it's still better than being in Saudi. Tax and school fees too unless the company pick up those bills.

I do enjoy the heat actually, hate the air conditioning.

David Graves
44 Posted 19/07/2017 at 12:30:27
Having worked in Saudi Arabia, including Riyadh, where I believe his new club is based, I'd agree with those who have suggested that he may have moved through necessity rather than career progression!

I'd also agree with the suggestion that he will have to be particularly "stoic" to stay for more than a couple of seasons. As he has lived the life of a professional footballer and coach, I would suggest he may find it a struggle.

Kev Johnson
45 Posted 19/07/2017 at 13:10:51
Kevin Sheedy = Goodison Legend.
Tony Cunningham
46 Posted 19/07/2017 at 15:52:05
A shame that it's come to this for him. My first true Everton hero. As Rudi (#20) says... I wish him well.

Although I wouldn't touch Saudi with a shitty stick... He's better than that.

John Codling
47 Posted 21/07/2017 at 06:23:40
Des (#7), I agree with you, maybe he's had an offer he can't refuse. I have worked in Saudi and believe me it fucking sucks. The people are the most ignorant bunch of intolerant pricks you could ever come across.

So I see a huge pension plan here, good luck Kevin take them for every penny you can.

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