The Dutchman was dismissed as the Blues' manager yesterday on the back of a run of results that had left the club in 18th place in the Premier League and bottom of the Europa League.
Just two wins in the last 13 games in all competitions prompted Everton's major shareholder Farhad Moshiri to fire Koeman just 16 months into a three-year contract and while the search for a viable successor gets underway, Unsworth will act as caretaker manager, most likely until the upcoming international break next month.
Unsworth, the current head coach of the Under-23s, will be joined by his assistant John Ebbrell in charge of first-team affairs for tomorrow's League Cup tie at Chelsea and he's hopeful of getting a run of games to showcase his ability to perhaps succeed Koeman himself. Goalkeeping coach Alan Kelly has also been brought on board.
The 44-year-old, who has earned plaudits within the club for stellar work with the U23s, has acted as stand-in for the first team once before, overseeing Everton's 3-0 win over Norwich City in May last year after Roberto Martinez had parted company with the Blues.
And he was back in the media centre at USM Finch Farm this afternoon to take questions from television reporters ahead of the Chelsea game and he admitted that he felt ready to make the step up to management of the Toffees' first team.
“I'm a very proud man to be asked by the Chairman and the owner to take the team," Unsworth began. "At the same time, it's always a tough time whenever any manager lose his job because I've been in football forever and when any manager or coach loses his job, you know that one day that could be you.
“So, it's tough but it's the business we're in. From a personal point of view, I'm a very proud man sat here, fit and able to lead Everton out for.. it doesn't matter how many games. I'll stand there and give it everything I've got.
“It was a very easy decision to make. I sat down with the Chairman yesterday, we spoke everything Everton — from home many games to individual players to plans for the short term, long term.
“But it's not a difficult decision at all to stand as Everton manager. If you're an Evertonian, it makes you very proud.
“Who wouldn't want this job?” he continued when asked if the full-time role was something he was interested in. “It's a wonderful club with amazing fans and it is a top job for absolutely any manager, myself included.
“The Chairman, Farhad (Moshiri) [and the Board have] given me the opportunity to hopefully get a run of games where performances levels go up and we produce some wins as well.
“From that, performances and results will dictate any future for me as Everton manager. I want to manage and this is an amazing club to be manager of. The time has to come to say that [I feel ready to make the step up from the Under-23s]; I've made no secret of it at all.
“However, I do have a wonderful job that is a challenge and it's something I really enjoy. What will be will be; I'll just do my best on the training ground everyday and within the games with the staff I've got, with the players we've got and we'll try and win a few football matches.”
Unsworth was asked for his take on Koeman's dismissal which brought to an end a tenure that many had anticipated could be transformative for the club.
He was matter-of-fact about the out-going boss's situation, highlighting that it's a results-based business and Everton's have not been good enough so far this season.
“Everybody will have their opinions and quite rightly so,” he said. “The bottom line for any manager when they lose their job is, did you win enough games and, unfortunately, we're in a position where you're going to say, no we haven't.
“But at any football club, if you don't win enough games your position is always be the subject of much debate.
"The club needs a winning manager. That's simple. Whoever gets the honour of having this role has to win. We want a winning manager, someone who knows this club and can win trophies because that's what we need."
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1 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:02:27
2 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:05:34
3 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:07:53
4 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:12:20
5 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:14:33
6 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:16:29
7 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:37:38
8 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:40:19
I doubt whether he has gained enough experience yet to sustain the job on a permanent basis. I can't think of any offhand who have made the transition successfully. There have been quite a few who have appeared to have seemingly cracked it ie, Garry Monk, Aidy Boothroyd to mention two, came in like lions, got a few results, then faded rather rapidly.
I hope Unsy does well, and if nothing else, gets us back on an even keel.
9 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:42:06
10 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:47:05
11 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:48:07
We have tried and tested the most brilliant intelligent mind of up and coming continental Europe managers in Roberto and Ronald. We have fallen flat on our face.
Please let us ditch this brainy type of manager. Unfortunately, I will put Thomas in that category.
I personally would settle for someone who loves Everton, who understands the club, the fans, the city, the owners and the people working at the club. Someone who would skip walking the Manchester broadway with Missus following a drubbing. Someone who can motivate players. Someone who can bring the best out of our £200 million squad and young talents. In other words, it is time we go with an Evertonian in the immediate term.
I am all behind Unsy
Don't tell me about Carlo. He has been sacked in all of his latest appointments. Why would he care about Everton? He will get a job at PSG and the likes. Good for him.
12 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:01:52
The man has personal ambition and views Everton above all other jobs as the pinnacle. This could be his only chance at the job he covets more than any other.
If hes given a chance I expect him to go at it with a bravura, a cold eyed reality and enthusiasm not see in a blue manager for years.
Im not for putting the lad in storage until a better time for him and Everton coincide. If he is truly good enough to manage this great club it will show regardless of the state of the team when addresses it.
He will have many of the same hurdles Koeman had and Id unlike the Dutchman expect him to find a solution to it.
If it doesnt work out then Im not going to ditch him, I hope the club would help him back into the academy.
It is odd that our past glories are with former players. Thats nice.
But I think underneath it all Rhino is anything but sentimental.
14 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:11:33
I hope the players can step up and show more pride in the shirt.
15 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:12:01
16 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:15:17
I don't think anyone doubts his ability as a coach with his work with the youths but let's be clear, we have not seen him against actual EPL opponents. This will be his audition. I am willing to say his time while waiting for RK after RM is fluff as it was end of a season with nothing to play for.
If we do get anyone by Nov 4, he would have managed 4 games against fairly strong opponents, and if he can win them all, you can call me impressed and convinced he is ready. Even if he loses all of them, it would be fine by me and would be good experience for him.
17 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:16:47
All he needs to do is to motivate the players to give their all, the ones that don't then leave them out. Sport is 80% psychology, 20% skill, just watch teams like Huddersfield and Brighton who can beat the big teams with determination and effort.
It's up to the players now; we have got rid of the so-called problem in Koeman... let's see if the problems run a lot deeper with the players.
18 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:18:18
I don't think too many are being disrespectful to Unsworth's abilities. In my own case, I'm worried any failure on his part could be detrimental to the wonderful progress he's making as a manager. Three straight losses and people will be on his back. That would be hard to take, particularly as he's doing us a favour by stepping up to a hugely difficult job.
Good luck to the guy. It'll be great to have a Blue in the dugout...and someone who isn't afraid to player a winger!
19 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:30:20
Good luck, Unsy!
20 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:33:39
If, during that period, Rhino proves himself to be the very best person for the job, then give it to him.
If not, give it to the person who is the best person for the job and allow Rhino to continue doing an absolutely stellar job of running the U23s.
I don't want anyone who won't see it as their number one priority in life to make Everton great again.
Unsworth certainly ticks that box which is why I see him as a genuine candidate.
21 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:48:00
I do not question him, my only question is the attitude and application of the obscenely rich, bling and social media darlings of many of today's money obsessed career footballers.
If Unsy can get them to demonstrate passion and commitment as strong as his to Everton, in the way they apply themselves and have pride in themselves in wearing the Everton shirt, the only way is up.
Good Luck, Rhino.
22 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:01:22
23 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:04:39
I will be interested to see his team selection for the Chelsea game.
Up the Blues!!!!
24 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:05:48
Kenny, Jagielka, Keane, Baines
Lookman Calvert-Lewin Vlasic
Could recall Barkley?
25 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:13:20
I maybe broached the piece a bit sideways!
With more clarity I think whilst we might have reservations I think Rhino knows the club inside out and if he didnt match up to the standard required then he wouldnt be damaged or derailed. He would know what Everton need, the very best and would accept that.
I see a very hungry, very ambitious guy. UTFT!
26 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:14:00
I see the team the way you do. Agree with that except I'd try and see if Sigurdsson could fit in.
I still maintain he is a good player
27 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:35:39
28 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:39:54
The timing of the sacking makes perfect sense. Our next game is the Mickey Mouse cup instead of an important league game or the Europa League(has to be more important than Mickey Mouse).
Imagine what kind of pressure Unsworth would have if it's the Leicester game next. Now he still can lose to Chelsea and everyone would still relax and he has the luxury to experiment although it's only one game.
29 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:58:42
30 Posted 24/10/2017 at 04:24:48
Good Luck Unsy and Ebbsy!
31 Posted 24/10/2017 at 05:05:32
We have a disjointed squad. I think Davies is our best fit right back. Its a hard job. Koeman got rid of RM dead wood. Unsy will have to do the same. I wonder if Robles will resurface... where is he? Walsh has got to go. Unless he was bullied or pandering to Koeman. Id say only Pickford has shown promise. Rooney has done well but not counting him. Can we please have our money back for Klaassen, Sandro and Sigurdsson. Thats close to £80 million. Goes out and spends £140 mil on players no better than we already had. Fantastic. What an absolute shambles the pair of them. Sells Barry because Koeman got his man in (Schneiderlin) and how shit is he ? How long is it going to take to sort out this mess!!
32 Posted 24/10/2017 at 05:16:11
33 Posted 24/10/2017 at 06:07:05
I agree about Koeman. I never took to his persona from way back, long before his time here. Spare us from everyone being over-loud with that forced optimistic extrovert bearing that seems to be considered ideal today, but... Koeman gives off a terrible vibe, and I better many at the club are glad he's gone.
It simply can't be conducive to anything constructive to be that way. I'm not sure it's all his natural self because the disgruntled, impatient face of his press conferences started to soften recently, as he realized things were turning against him. A pity; he was a fantastic player. I watched highlights of his play recently, and it seems hard to equate that player with the man as he is now.
34 Posted 24/10/2017 at 06:30:13
35 Posted 24/10/2017 at 06:36:39
36 Posted 24/10/2017 at 06:40:26
37 Posted 24/10/2017 at 06:52:45
38 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:08:44
It would be good for him to be given a run and good for the Club not to rush getting the new guy in.
Hopefully supporters appreciate that it will take time with Unsworth and the priority is the league not this shitty and difficult game at Chelsea.
Once the dust has settled and possibly during the next break the Club should have a bloody good look at both the playing staff and our Director of Football.
Even in these days of player power anyone not fully committed to the cause and the shirt should be binned in January. Better a youngster giving 100% than an overpaid waster strolling through his contract.
I'm not so sure about another foreign manager especially if he has no experience of the PL. Even Guardiola has had to rethink his "philosophy" but he had time and a decent squad, we have neither.
39 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:10:52
For future candidates it must be said the list of successful English managers is restricted to those that finish outside the top 6 at least. Good luck Rhino, the list of talented alternates will be very short until the summer as few will want to inherit half a squad. At least success this time will be finishing in the top half again.
There is a lot of quality in this squad and they are very fit. Temporarily switching back to playing the sort of football that our players can play should lift us up the league though certainly not anywhere near the top 5. Mind you, despite our dreadful start I did notice Liverpool only 5 points ahead so all is not lost.
2002 all over again. A string of 0-0 will do !
40 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:23:56
41 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:31:47
It needs someone with a wide range of tactical and motivational skills and flexibility as the players are not all the same
I dont know if Unswortj has it, no one does, but we will get behind him.
Koeman didnt have it and seemed lost when things went wrong
Martinez wanted to be everyones friend and still believed in Father Christmas and that doesnt work either .
I think Benitez is the best bet
42 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:00:14
43 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:00:54
44 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:03:18
45 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:26:35
46 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:28:34
If we really have the backing to push for the top 4 and title then we should be making a big name statement. Someone who will bring much needed change to the losing mentality in the club.
If we do not have those resources then maybe going all Everton maybe the answer via Unsworth. He would need good back up and a Peter Reid and Joe Royle combination might just provide that back up to him.
For me, Kenwright still being at the club signals that option 2 might be best as without changes at the top the club mentality will not change.
If option 1 is real then great, time to show us Mr Moshiri but you really do need to take positive actions right through the club.
47 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:36:54
He is 44. Only 2 years younger than Dyche, the bookies favourite. Same age as Tuchel (favourite of many on TW) and four years older than Marco Silva.
Unsworth is running out of time to be Everton manager, give him the job, accept that he will make mistakes and trust in him to learn from them.
48 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:38:46
Unsworth has to be given time to succeed or fail. 4 mathces is not enough.
His first team sheet will be interesting. I was at the Lyon game and saw a formation that worked with players in the wrong places being the problem. I believe this would work: A solid back four, Kenny, Keane, Jagielka and Baines, with one man in front that could be Gueye, Schneiderling, McCarthy or Besic. Two central midfielders, ideally Davies and Sygurdssen, supporting a centre forward, who at this point would be Rooney. With two hard working wide men, take your pick from Mirallas, Vlassic, Lookman and anyone else with pace and desire.
When the treatment room clears we have 2 new signings for the season in Coleman and Bolasie. and with the rest of the squad to fit into that team in their proper places we have cover.
All it then needs is for the players to put in a shift to get the fans on side. We don't expect miracles. We DO expect a team to be coherent and show desire. With the right attitude we can prove that the form is temporary and there is no need to panic. And having watched Unsworth as a player , from his debut goal to veteran stage , I can't see the wrong attitude from anyone lasting long.
49 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:42:33
If he does well, give him the job full-time, bring the kids through, then if it doesn't work out, then get an experienced manager in and our team will have transitioned into a youth-filled unit
Of the options seemingly available to us, I am not inspired by any of them tbh
50 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:45:23
It won't surprise me if Kenny, Lookman, Mirallas, and Davies are starting vs Chelsea. And I believe we have a really good shot at beating them.
51 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:46:14
Moyes had 11 years, Martinez 3, Koeman 16 months. What will the post-interim manager get? 6 months? A fortnight?
52 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:47:39
Unsworths under 23s won the PL last season and have been beating all the so called big teams this year. Englands kids won the world cup last season with a side full of Unsworths Everton players.
Unsworth has more experience in the PL than a lot of managers who come from the continent. Let's have it right Guardiola had never managed in England untill last season. Conte at Chelsea anyone? They all learn on the job.
Give Rhino a break give the lad a chance. David Unsworth is a far better option than the last Muppet we just let go from a £6 million a year debacle or the other Ginger fool some are calling for.Things can only get better now surely.
53 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:05:56
Of course what they will do is to present some no-mark with a three year deal and pay him off half-way through it. I wouldn't trust Kenwright and Moshy to pick their noses !
54 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:10:37
However do you really not see any risk in unsy taking over full time? I dont think what happens in the next 4 or 5 games count, even Southgate earned the England role that way - new managers always get a bounce.
Unsy has done exceptionally well with the u23s however this is totally different to the first team of a club which has all the pressures of managing multi million pound budgets with the expectations we have. All the others you mentioned there might not have had premier league experience but clearly there are differences. Conte has managed juventus and Italy. Guadilola has won everything in the game. Even dyche had experience of bringing a team up from the championship. Unsy is a complete novice. He may be exceptional but u23 is no barometer of that. In my opinion it would be a very large risk indeed
55 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:11:26
56 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:13:59
57 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:14:30
58 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:15:02
59 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:20:13
Im pleased David Unsworth is being given this opportunity, hes going to be fully committed to the task and that is a great starting point.
60 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:20:21
No mate what I am saying is give Unsworth a go until we find some one suitable.I don't want Moyes,Dyche,Howe or any of the other names being mentioned at the moment.I have no worries that Rhino will get us up the table and improve moral.I just don't get the knockers. It's irrelevant who we really want next as a manager because of our current position.I don't want another that coming just for the money.
Like I said plenty of managers do well in the PL without ever managing here before.The Espanyol shout is lame Ray.
61 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:21:14
Yes great that Unsworth gets a bit of recognition for what hes done with the kids, but its totally different in the premiership, and if we dont start winning games fast it could be a tough and nervous end to the season.
Ancelotti hasnt done well in his last few jobs even with top players so I wouldnt want him.
For me its either Dyche, Tuchel, Silva or the guy now managing Hoffenheim.
Lets get someone in fast and start winning.
62 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:21:23
Hopefully Rhino can steady the ship and get us producing short term so we do not rush into this, and do the thorough background work on any potential target which was evidently not the case with RK. It would be fantastic if Rhino could get the results hold onto the job longer term though.
Apart from how he seemed to be doing with Soton, I believe we rushed into the appointment of RK because he was being connected with Arsenal in order to nip in front and beat them to 'the prize'. We do not ant to fall into that trap with Leicester or potentially WHam, or even Them if Klopp falls.
But they dodged one there 18 months ago, didn't they, the Arse.
63 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:22:34
64 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:22:57
It is quite interesting that John Ebbrell (and rightly so) has been given the number 2 post. I wonder where that leaves Duncan Ferguson?
66 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:27:54
All this having spent a fortune it beggars belief. it really does. Bandy about all the names you want. There is no magic wand.
67 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:28:27
68 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:31:25
69 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:42:07
The massive failure of some of our summer signings must lay in some way at the door of Steve Walsh, I've never taken to him, he is much too keen on himself in my opinion, always got a self-satisfied smug look on his face he needs to go
Moshiri's desire to move us on will always be diluted by Old Billy Bollocks and his pathetic teary sentimentality Kenwright needs to go.
Then maybe I might see a ray of sunshine breaking through.
70 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:48:43
Yet I'd prefer someone with some experience. In a post above someone mentions the way Brighton and Huddersfield are well-organised. I'd go further both managers seem to have that gift of seeming to have their teams wanting to play for them. David Wagner at Huddersfield at first glance, in particular, looks like someone we ought to be considering. Perhaps with Unsworth as his number two. I'm afraid Ferguson, for me, is part of Koeman's regime.
71 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:52:09
72 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:56:03
Remember they lost 8 players from last years u23 & had to start again. They made a better job of it than Koeman did with the 1st team. His excuse that players need more time to blend doesn't wash with me. He bought them & then tried to make them play positions that did not suit them. Absolute craziness.
Unsy has to tell the players that they start afresh & he will pick a team on the abilities they show, no favourites.
The old guard must be given warning, Jags was awful against Arsenal, had not a clue on positioning. He did not seem to know who he was marking & was quick to look at others for fault. It was nice to see Pickford have a go at him for his mistakes. Make Pickford the new Captain.
My team v Chelsea would be.
Stek (Why not)
Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
Vlassic (no 10 role)
Baines will have to soldier on till January till we can register Garbutt as cover.
No panic buys needed at present (January). Let's take it we are not going to win the league this season, so let's make sure we avoid relegation & climb to the highest position possible.
We have to start planning for the summer transfer window NOW. Players & manager (whether Unsy or not). We need to assess our loan players that will be returning very carefully, will they be good enough.
Let's get it right this time.
73 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:59:46
74 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:02:53
76 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:13:03
77 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:14:06
78 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:14:16
Who rhino did lick? LOL.
79 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:15:46
80 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:17:58
81 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:18:33
We're actually only five points behind the Reds, so there's no need to enter siege mentality just yet. Let Dyche's big step up be into the Leicester job - we should be aiming higher!
82 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:21:17
83 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:22:22
After that, it depends on how strong Unsworth is. He will have to be strong in man-management, to be honest, with some of the players who are not performing. Whether it's because they are past their sell-by date or not up to the standard required. This includes Everton players who have been in the first team this past two years and new signings. His selection against Chelsea will be interesting,
Some of the managers being touted will not be up to this job. I would prefer to steady the ship with Unsworth and keep Walsh in place. Please, Mr Kenwright, don't lumber him with a management team he doesn't want. Good Luck, Mr Owner and may your god be with you.
84 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:22:54
I'm very relaxed about this temporary (or otherwise) appointment. Dare I say excited?
85 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:23:47
86 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:24:20
This is my blue tinted dream scenario but in reality I would go for a manager that has won trophies and knows how to handle the pressure of leading a big club back to were we want to be. Lets not forget we have always hired managers with potential and it just hasn't worked. I just want to see if we hired a manager who has won league titles, cup competitions and experience in the champions league, dare I say it even won it. For me Ancelotti if we had the ambition to go for him and then if he would except the challenge.
One more thing whoever we get we have to back them in the transfer market with top quality players and no dithering or penny pinching that has to stop or we will be back here saying the same old shite.
87 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:26:14
88 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:35:19
Why haven't you got Pickford in goal?
Regardless of the result last Sunday, he showed why we bought him.
Be interesting to hear your rationale on that?
89 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:36:04
90 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:38:45
It also mentioned that Koeman was NOT speaking to any of the players, unbelievable no wonder they showed no interest.
On Sunday Sky showed Tony Bellew with Unsy that should be his first job put him in charge of discipline and fitness anyone not pulling their tripes out goes in the ring with him for 3 rounds.
All this it's a massive difference from U23's to First Team might be a problem for a cringing wreck who is way out of his comfort zone but give Rhino credit for having grit and determination and a good dollop of will to win. I hope and pray (in an atheist way) that Unsy makes it impossible to take the job away from him.
91 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:39:06
A back 4? A midfield of 4? Pressing. Width going forward? Quick transition and support for DCL on the break?
Steve Ferns - any views?
92 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:39:41
They seemed stifled and muddled by Koeman's 'system' or lack thereof.
I say keep it simple, play with joy and freedom and start having fun again. Yes there are some gaps in the squad, but there is certainly enough quality to cover the holes temporarily.
For me there only 3 or 4 players that have shown real commitment and ability to work through this tough time and that is Rooney, Davies, Gana and ummm. The rest seem to have been playing under a dark cloud of despair in a system that made no sense. Who can blame them? There is no joy playing under Koeman.
COYB lift your heads and play the game you love and have some fun. We support you all the way, win or lose we will still be here.
Bring back Barkley and Mirallas please.
93 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:44:18
Whether he can hack it at the highest level is anyone's guess but I very much hope he can.
94 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:45:23
If he cant get his beloved David back then hell go for the nearest thing - Dyche.
95 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:49:21
96 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:49:41
Fucking great isn't it? You would think the club would put a stop to this Clown Rooney and his nights out. Why not go the whole way and get Ryan Giggs in as manager so Wayne has got a wingman for when he goes out Goosing.
First job for the new guy is to restore discipline and make these players respect the badge and the fans.
Do all the partying with Drag queens when the season is over Wayne. Barkley stay out of the all night drinking dens if you stay. Whole place needs a massive shake up.. How about Lilly Savage for the managers job ??
97 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:54:03
Good luck Unsy, hope you can rebuild our season and restore some pride. By the way, anyone know what's gonna happen with Duncan Ferguson?
98 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:54:48
99 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:55:27
100 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:56:11
Now Im no handbag expert but apparently its significant, according to the daily mirror, and it could mean Wazza moving from the couch back into the boudoir which can only be good for us, cant it?
101 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:58:00
102 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:58:30
Im still convinced that Klassen, Siggy et al are good even great players they just need direction and confidence. Has there ever been a better example than Chelsea; champions one year then looked like relegation contenders, despite having better players than us the next year because of a divisive, moody manager, to champions again.
Stopping goals against must be the priority, people bang on about the loss of Lukaku, does anyone seriously believe that the results would have been different if he had still been there.
I know were all like corporal Fraser at the minute but lets not forget the performance v Citteh, which IMHO it was only Koeman not reacting to Pep bringing on Sterling that lost us the points (and of course Holgates horendous header). Or even Man U; went behind to a worldy but we look the most likely til Williams horendous suicide pass then we fell apart. Since then its been downhill all the way, but Sunderland we aint.
Give Rhino a go and give him time to get it right who knows where itll end up. I thought Koeman was the start of us competing for trophies; and how wrong we all where.
103 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:01:23
I think the best way to do this is play 4-5-1, especially since its not the widest pitch in the world. Hard workers who can protect our fullbacks, and also help to form effective partnerships out wide?
Three in midfield, and the physicality of Niasse upfront, to try and chase everything down. A fresh start, should always begin with the basics, and once we get those right, then the confidence and belief should return.
105 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:06:02
Hahaahhhahahahhaha - that is one of the funniest things Ive read on the bbc for a long long time.
Jesus H Christ!
106 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:07:41
Its a win win I feel, if he does well we have an Evertonian in place who seems to be universally liked, if it doesn't, we have at least tried this route and can go elsewhere in Jan.
Another good thing is, he wont have any loyalties to any players unlike Koeman. Surely, him like us, can see Martina and Klassen are not good enough for example.
I would like to see a combination of 442 home 4411 away and stick to the same time for a few games when possible.
Pickford (shoe in)
Kenny (doesnt look ready, but prefer him to the others, may just need time)
Jagielka (better than Williams, but not by much)
Keane (out of form, but best of the four)
Baines (out of form, but no other option)
Gueye (sitting in)
Davies (needs a consistent run with no shackles)
Lookman (Right Wing, need his pace)
Mirrales (Left Wing, best option)
Rooney and DCL up front (best of the three)
If we go one up top, put Gylfi or Vlasic in for Rooney and keep DCL up front.
Fucking easy this business.
107 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:11:12
We should go for his brother as he knows everything about football, oh wait I forgot, he is a shit coach as well.
I hope Unsy throws the kitchen sink at the Chavs tomorrow, With Dunc 'n' disorderly waiting at the changing room door. Instructed to slap any player who can't be arsed to put in a shift, maybe that will motivate them.
108 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:13:07
Can we finally end our League Cup hoodoo???
109 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:13:25
110 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:14:35
Surely the matter boils down to a few basic facts:-
1) Has the candidate proven he can manage a football team?
2) Does he have a proven track record, of success, at any level?
3) Is he also an experienced player at the level at which he is going to manage and in the league in which he is going to manage?
Frankly, I don't think managing in the PL is going to be hugely different for Unsy than what he has done at U23 level.
One of the biggest criticisms of RK was that he was a poor man manager and that he was tactically inept.
Unsy has proven he is good at both so points 1) an 2) above are ticks in the box.
As for EPL experience, well Rhino has played there successfully, and knows what it is all about, which is again more that RK had done.
I don't believe there is any greater pressure managing the first team than there is managing the U23's.
After all, the aim, is the same - pick your best side and tactics to go out against the current opposition, and play to win.
That surely is no different to what he is doing now with the U23's?
The pressure comes if you don't win and you don't know how to alter your set up to combat that.
That is what RK has been sacked for.
111 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:19:58
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war" ( MkII )
112 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:26:16
I did read Bill and some of the senior players wants Unsworth but its all rumours none of us really know otherwise we could go and make a few quid in the bookies.
113 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:28:13
We could do worse than play all of the youngsters that Unsworth has coached. At least they know how to play as a team and five of them also played in the successful England U20s World Cup team in the summer. Allowing Dowell to go to Forest was a joke, get him back ASAP.
Good Luck Rhino, everyone will be behind you
114 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:29:30
He said that being a great player didn't equate to being a great manager.
He didn't fall for the rubbish about it's only nine games into the season and conviently forgetting about the crap performances in Europe.
I can't believe these ex footballers saying it's too early and to give him more time, it's a bit like the old boys club.
115 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:36:14
We were previously led to believe that a Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky situation was a parallel, in that he only, and extremely foolishly, under the influence of alcohol by the way, was giving her a lift in her car.
How could she possibly know the size of his genitalia, from that silly but seemingly tame liaison?
116 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:39:07
Pickford, Kenny, Jags, Keane Baines
Mirallas, Davies, Sigurdsson, Vlasic
Ie as many goalscorers as possible and a bit of pace. Get a goal up and bring defensive mid on then maybe someone like Mccarthy. For me a centre mid has to do more than run around and play a ten yard pass.
119 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:50:32
Your rationale is simple.
Simple is best.
Good luck Think.
120 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:50:52
Everton and the likes of Moshiri need to send a serious statement out there by recruiting a decent, world class manager who has all of the people and football skills to get the best out of the players and the international transfer markets for future development.
By getting rid of Koeman the club have been smart to drop a manager from the Premier League before at least 2 more managers get the bullet (Bilic & Kloppe). This puts us in a better position earlier to recruit a candidate.
121 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:57:58
Pep did start as Barcelona b manager, Maureen started at Porto, I don't know about Klopp but they have to start somewhere.
There's no magic manager tree where we can just pluck a Tuchel and say mmm that's ready.
Unsworth simply cannot be any more ready .
He's learnt his trade with the same passion, desire and will to win, with which he played, winning all the way.
Do any one of us think he WON'T approach the top job in the same manner?
Good luck Rhino, but I don't think you'll need it,just bring that steely determination.
122 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:58:19
As a minimum the new manager must have proved he can lead a team to win a major trophy in a decent league.
Of course having won something in the past is no guarantee of them doing it again with us, but it improves the chances of them doing it. Appointing a manager that's never won anything on the other hand, is a much much bigger gamble.
Listening to Jim White this morning and it sounds like Moshiri has asked White to get some feedback from fans by pushing the idea of Sean Dyche managing us. So they must be seriously looking at approaching Dyche. Just no.
123 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:02:16
Yeah everythings going to be alright with that cretin on board.
124 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:03:41
I believe Big Joe has a lot of input at Under-23 level, which is why I believe Big Joe, one of the best motivators ever, should be in that dressing room.
125 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:06:50
Remember there's only 8pts between us and 4th placed Chelsea, I know at the moment it looks like we can't buy a win, but if Unsy changes that, Moshiri will have a huge decision to make.
126 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:08:32
127 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:10:15
Take no notice of Jim Whites agenda. The whole of the English media think we are only worthy of of a Dyche or a Howe. Yesterday every twat on Sky Sports news was pushing for Moyes to come back.
It's all about how we are perceived and what these media Bellend think we can attract. Don't give it you're energy.
128 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:12:47
129 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:14:41
131 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:21:03
Alternatively Unsworth does badly, then we really will be relegation favourites with little time to sort it. Unsworths expectations should be managed, in other words you are in until we get a new manager which will be within the month.
132 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:21:44
Winning breeds confidence, regardless of what competition we are in, and let's face it Unsy's record is 100% up to now.
Also being his first game at the helm, would not make him feel in a good place if we got turned over.
I would go all out, just imagine his second game in charge and getting a result in Chelsea's own ground.
I know it was the league, but last year I think it was, Crystal Palace were on a really poor run, and went to Stamford Bridge and won.
Chelsea hadn't lost at home for about eighteen months, so it is possible!
133 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:24:14
The last 16 months remind me of Manchester City during the Peter Swales/ Malcolm Allison reign around 1979/80. They spent huge money on average or below players such as Steve Daley and found themselves struggling at the wrong end of the table. It was the start of a downward spiral from which City did not recover for 25 years. It is crucial the Board get the next appointment right and to do so they need to take their time to assess all the candidates.
I wonder if Koeman left a note on his desk to his successor as the outgoing Labour minister, Liam Byrne did in 2010. It said 'I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left'.
Or perhaps he left one similar to the one left by Reginald Maudling to his successor Jim Callaghan in 1964: 'Good luck old cock...sorry to leave it in such a mess'.
134 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:25:12
135 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:34:19
136 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:36:15
1) Ross, sign that contract kid and Ill build the team around you.
2) Wayne, you are the captain from now on.
3) Sandro, Davey and Morgan, you three are going to play with the U-23 to get you up to speed.
4) Siggy, you will play in your preferred position. Wayne will play up front with DCL or Niasse.
5) Vlasic, Kevin, Lookman, Lennon etc... youll all be given the chance to make the wide positions your.
6) Keane, you will team up with jags. Williams, you can fuck off.
7) Mason, the RB position is yours until Coleman is back.
8) Leighton, mate, youd better pull your socks up or its the knackers yard for you in January.
9) Send a memo to Moshiri telling him if he wants to move the club forward he needs to get rid of Kenwright, Wood and probably Walsh and Elstone as well. Joe Royle as honorary chairman with the likes of Reidy and Sharpey in charge of transfers.
Do this Unsy and you will be on a winner.
137 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:37:51
138 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:39:25
I thought that there was an agreement in place for Stek to play the cup matches, maybe I am wrong there.
Pickford could do with a midweek rest though, he has been working too hard. Needs to be our next Captain. Our best purchase by far.
I still think Keane will come good. Does not help your confidence when you cease playing alongside Ben Mee & play alongside nightmares like Williams & Jags.
139 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:41:57
I'd rather have seen Joe Royle as top man with the others helping out. At least Royle has a lot of experience at managing at this level.
That said, the decision has been made and best of luck to Unsworth.
140 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:43:34
141 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:49:05
I said earlier today, I cant think of one caretaker manager who has gone on to manage long term. They are usually sacked in their first full season.
I hope Unsy could buck this trend but hes very much one of the lads, apparently, and you know what they say about familiarity
142 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:49:58
In the meantime good luck to Unsy.
143 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:54:39
144 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:07:02
145 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:14:29
146 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:16:24
If I was Unsworth, I would surprise everyone and go for an u23 side. Not a total u23 side, I'd select 1st teamers who he knows like Davies, Kenny, Holgate, and Calvert-Lewin.
I would say to the first team that they all need to watch carefully, and prove in training that they are worthy of a place. If the side gets tonked, then at least we are out of the competition and have a few less games. I bet they won't get hammered and will hold their own.
It will give the first team a rest, they are clearly tired, physically and mentally. Losing regularly takes it's toll mentally for sure. Let's then see who from the first team responds.
As for tactics, Unsworth likes a 4231, with width and pace. Let him play it his way.
As for Leicester - I'd go with:
Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
Vlasic Davies Sigurdsson Mirallas
I'd play for 0-0, in an old 442. But it won't really be a 442 because Rooney is incapable of holding position and he'll soon make it a 451. I'd tell Sigurdsson to sit deep though, and to keep out of Rooney's way. His job would be to do what Schneiderlin should be doing and taking the ball off the back 4 and hitting it long. Holgate would need to impress against Chelsea at CB otherwise I'd go with Jags. If any of the kids showed they could step up I would keep faith with them.
We need a clean sheet on Saturday, almost as much as a win, and that's what I'd play to get. Keep it tight and pinch one!
147 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:19:26
Forget Giggs, Neville, Moyes, Allardyce, Unswirth. Not interested
148 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:19:45
Would you not say that now, with the benefit of hindsight, that Tim Sherwood played a crucial role in bringing through a lot of the young players that Pochettino has built his team upon, and so Sherwood played a crucial role in Spurs' development, not just for his work with the youth team.
If Unsworth fails to do enough to keep the job beyond the end of the season, but leaves a team with a lot of promising young players who now have experience, then that's not a bad thing, as long as we are still in the Prem of course.
149 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:26:17
150 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:26:19
Yes he's going to loose games, but what better opportunity is he going to have to gain experience?
Managers' stock can go down very quickly (as we've seen with Moyes and Ronald), so even if he were to go and ply his trade in a lower division, even if he were successful, it might not happen if he came back.
Football's about taking opportunities, I hope Rhino takes his.
151 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:41:38
It appears he has the support of the players and Chairman, just needs to get Moshiri on board now and he can do that by getting the results we so desperately need.
152 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:43:43
153 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:44:13
Until we start believing in young British coaches with top jobs. How will they achieve? I wish him all the luck in the world.
154 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:44:25
Ive been lauding Dyche but if he wont don't get him and Rhino proves himself I will be delighted.
All our best managers since the war have been former players. Maybe it can work again.
156 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:54:20
157 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:55:02
Unsworth said all the right things there. Kind of reminds me of the smile Joe Royle put on my face when he first started speaking about his pride at being our manager.
For just a moment, I've got some hope. I know the odds are against him but just imagine if an ex player again delivered us success. It would feel amazing.
From his comments it sounds like the club are serious about him being an option if he can get us winning games.
Good luck Rhino.
158 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:55:21
He also said that training was buzzing! That says it all - Ron had pissed -off too many off them.
159 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:55:30
This team will at least give us something to shout about when we go forward !.
161 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:59:32
Hes been with us for donkeys now and has handled some of the worst kits in living memory. And hes never had a title winning kit to show off.
Taxi for Jimmy and BPB.
162 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:03:11
We will see over the next few weeks if the Board have ambition. I have no doubt that some Board members will not aspire to the above, I truly hope that the ambitious members win the argument.
163 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:03:41
164 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:04:20
165 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:06:46
That's more like it.Im taking the 12/1 Everton to win both teams to score.
166 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:06:54
I too would use Garbutt but there are 2 problems
1. He is not registered on our Premier list (cannot be changed till January)
2. He is not under 21.
So he cannot be used.
167 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:08:19
As Hugh@110 says, it boils down to the ability to organise and motivate a team of footballers, whether under-23s or first team. He seems to have those abilities.
There's a lot of hype surrounding managers, whether it be Klopp, Tuchel, Mourinho, or any of the other high-profile Prima donnas. At the end of the day, getting to the top of the heap, like City or Chelsea, requires large injections of money. Then you can attract the best players. Until we get to that point, which will happen only if someone like Usmanov gets on board, we're very much like Liverpool, not really looking at getting to the top of the heap.
In terms of the ambition to improve from where we are, and to progress to near the top (top-6 or thereabouts), it's difficult to see clearly any outside candidate who we're likely to attract doing much better (if at all) than Unsworth. Just recall the hype that surrounded Koeman and Klopp.
168 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:17:46
Unsy deserves the chance to step in and he certainly can't do any worse than Koeman.
I find it a bit worrying though, the number of people clambering for ex-players to be brought in. It's almost ANY ex-players without a thought to what they've done elsewhere and what their suitability is other than being an ex-player.
It smacks a little bit of the small club mentality again. As a club, we've suffered from being a little too parochial and not being hard-nosed and professional enough.I want to see us throw off "The People's Club" label and ditch forever the "plucky little Everton" handle and become more ruthless, professional and business-like.
Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting we drop EitC or the other great things the club do.And I don't mean for us to ditch any ex-player from employment but I think we have to start looking to the future and not always harping back to the past.
Things that worked in the 80's don't always work now and a staunch, outspoken support from an ex-player (Reidy) doesn't mean he'll turn things round and take us forward.
We're in a bind at the moment in that I believe we almost need TWO managers. One to steady the ship and get us away from the dreaded area of the league I'm not going to mention, and then a manager to take us forward and improve us to where we were and beyond. If there's a single manager that can do that so much the better.
I must say I've felt totally depressed the last coupe of months but yesterday's announcement lifted my spirits and I felt like a great weight had been removed from my shoulders. Like a lot of others I just couldn't see how Koeman was ever going to turn things around and I suspect neither did he.
His removal will tell us lots of things about the team, the squad and the club as a whole, not least of all the fact of whether those that reckoned Barkley wouldn't sign a new contract because of Koeman were right. Personally after watching our new midfield over the last few months I hope they were.
The road ahead will be a rocky one for sure, but I, like a lot of other Blues am really glad we're on it.
169 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:26:03
Kenny Jags Keane Baines
Mirallas Gana Davies Lookman
Leaves a bit on the bench but it's at least balanced.
170 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:26:44
As for Rigsby, sorry, Giggsy, the first day he didn't turn up for training nothing would get done while they all phone the missus.
My preference as Manager will have to remain confidential until after the phone call, anytime now, I would think. How are Athletico doing at the moment anyway?
171 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:29:27
However as I have posted before, only the criminally ineptitude of those up in their 'ivory tower' have been responsible for this dire situation for at least the last five years led by one William Kenwright.
172 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:36:04
173 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:42:12
174 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:43:06
Neville and Giggs? I'd rather appoint Carragher and Fowler!
175 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:44:59
“I dont think anybody, including Neville himself, was aware of how close he came to becoming Everton manager.
I was outside Bellefield with Peter Johnson the morning after Joe [Royle] had left and we were discussing who should take over as caretaker boss.
‘I have a shortlist of two said the chairman. ‘Dave Watson and Neville, but Im leaning towards Neville because a goalkeeper has less responsibility on the pitch.
At this point Neville pulls up in the carpark – it was early and he was always first in for training – gets out his car and heads to the Bellefield entrance.
Seeing me he yells, ‘Alright Alan, you fat c*nt! As he headed in through the doors, Peter says, very dryly, ‘I think the shortlist is down to one.”
176 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:47:24
177 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:48:24
What nobody on here has mentioned is the possibility that too many of the squad really are shite. Most of us could list at least a half-dozen on the roster whose legs have gone or are nowhere near Premier standard to start with.
Made up of long servers, recent joiners and even young kids, this group will see us relegated. Some of them failed Martinez, all did for Koeman and have every likelihood of doing the same for whoever is next.
Nobody's dared to say it but it really could be the players who are the problem - whatever their background and however much they cost. It happened at Leeds and the .Villa. Could it be our turn next ?
179 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:58:18
180 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:04:06
If you're going to say that we're in a relegation fight, you could say the same about every club from Southampton (10th place) down.
181 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:07:02
Unsworth has them playing great stuff.They won the world cup FPS. A bit of tinkering and blendingnin the younger lads and I think we will be flying soon.
182 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:09:59
Buzzing, yes exactly, thats what its all about, not buggering off from training at 4pm on the dot
183 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:10:20
We don't know if the players are not up to it - time will tell and Unsy will give us a pointer in the next few games or so.
184 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:12:25
But as Phil @ 177 and a few others on other threads observe, the squad is unbalanced and the defence is severly lacking the youth and quality to be able to keep clean-sheets very often. The lack of a reliable defence is exacerbated by the paucity of chances that the team has created thus far this season and therefore there is still a long way to go before we may see the green shoots of recovery. However, if the current squad are enthused and play to their full potential when chosen to play, we have a better chance of improving our position than this time last week.
I'm aggrieved that Moshiri and Kenwright still seem to have differing views on who should be Everton's next manager. Unsworth would probably satisfy the Chairman for the rest of this season, results notwithstanding whereas Moshiri appears to prefer a big name in the hot-seat at Goodison, regardless of any success that Unsworth may have. When are the board and the owner going to set a course that they both agree on?
We have seen over the course of last summer how quickly things can degenerate if all the parties involved are not in complete harmony.
185 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:15:04
Just to make sure Bill can see who we want.
Oh and scum bag Giggs, no thanks, we have standards to maintain.
186 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:17:19
Just to add that Nev got out of the passengers seat of the car as he had never bothered learning to drive.
Not back in the 80's anyway which was the last time l picked him up at Bellefield.
187 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:25:08
188 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:27:24
P.S. I wonder if Ross is in the squad tomorrow?
189 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:27:26
Director of Football: two
Jimmy Martin????? Whats he done wrong, the choice of kit is not his fault. His payoff would definitely be nothing like the fat cats I think you are referring too!
Tea ladies next? Come on guys. There have been support staff there for donkeys year working for a fraction of what the top earners get, but they are part of the team. Without them it doesnt work.
At least the canteen staff can serve the lunch etc without having to wait for RK and his team to be served first. I know what Unsy would say, something along the lines of, ill join the queue and eat wherever theres a spare seat, regardless of who is sitting at the table.
190 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:28:48
191 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:28:56
192 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:38:20
We all know Koeman has gone, but who goes with him?
Last time on TV, I was looking and apart from Koeman and his brother Erwin, Big Dunc and Jimmy, I didn't know who any of the other hangers on were at all.
Which beggars the question again do they all go too as part of Koeman's Brigade?
193 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:39:09
194 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:53:23
195 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:58:48
Lyndon, Michael poll please.
196 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:03:39
The name of game must be short term to survive and then for the long-term build on Barkley, Davies, Kenny, Lookman, Vlasic, Calvert-Lewin and Keane and then sprinkle in top quality signings each window and perhaps one or two in where we are short.
Although we have money now, still on that front we are going to struggle to compete with the top 6 for the top names but we should look at Barcelona for inspiration in terms of them consistently fielding teams where the majority of players are homegrown. We must keep giving the youngsters chances as ultimately this will win the day when trying to pull in the top young talent.
My fingers are crossed that we do not go for a manager with only a short-/mid-term vision, which in fairness the majority necessarily need to have for their own security. I believe it is the clubs that can circumnavigate this contradiction that will ultimately succeed in the long run.
197 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:07:28
198 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:08:42
199 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:10:18
We brought Koeman in, a high profile manager, you look at De Boar, Moriniho, Ancolotti, Mancini, list is endless, all have come and gone at clubs.
Look at Dyche, two seasons ago people would say Sam who, he got his chance and now everyone champing for him to be at a their club, he took his chance and through games gained experiance.
Just because Unsworth has only managed one premiership game, which we won 3 nil by the way is not a reason to dismiss the guy.
The only difference this time is he has come into a team that has so much more talent then when he last took charge, Unsworth will do two things right away, one will be bringing the team together and getting every single player singing from the same hymn sheet, the second one will be to convince Barkley he is wanted at Everton and loved.
Give Unsworth a chance before we go charging in again for a high profile manager, lets not forget how young Howard Kendall was when Blackburn gave him a chance as manager when he had no managerial experiance.
Time will tell but I have a good feeling about Unsworth.
200 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:12:11
I'm happy to see him in charge until the right person for the next stage is identified. It my be him if he does OK. Some of the names mentioned really worry me. Other not so much.
Whilst not complete, I do think that there is the making of a team in the players we have, as long as they are given a consistent message. They won't get us into Europe, but they should be better than sending us down.
But will someone please shut Carragher up. I fed up with he s**te coming out of his mouth.
201 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:13:22
Can't think of his name but didn't they refer to him as the goalkeeping coach?
202 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:21:32
203 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:27:35
Ignacio 'Iñaki' Bergara Iríbar (born 26 January 1962) is a Spanish retired footballer who played as a goalkeeper, and a current goalkeeper coach with Belgium.
Wiki makes no mention of Everton tho...
204 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:30:10
I'm no beauty but what a face!
205 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:31:44
206 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:38:50
Erwin Koeman, the dutch goalkeeping coach & the fitness coach are all negotiating their severance at the moment & will be given the boot.
Unsy takes the place of Ronald, John Ebbrell takes the place of Erwin, Alan Kelly takes the place of the dutch goalkeeping coach, but as we are Everton the new fitness coach will probably be the tea lady. Duncan also fits in somewhere.
Not sure how the rules work regarding the league cup. Last season we could recall loan players for this. Callum Connolly is allowed to be recalled for Euro league matches. I would have thought that as it is the league cup the Premier list stands plus any u21.
207 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:39:53
208 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:39:54
I would certainly love him to work as 1st team assistant but new managers normally bring in a lot of baggage which would be a shame.
I am sure the hierachy will give him chances.
Good luck to him, a top top blue.
209 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:41:31
210 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:42:46
211 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:43:59
212 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:44:26
Just read that myself on Big Nev and lmao what a fckn legend the man was , My idol as a kid and as down to earth a guy you could not encounter no heirs or graces as summed up by that story
Best of luck to Unsy I am hoping he gets a run of results good enough to convince Fahrad to give him the job , The guy was a rare breed as a player 100% commitment , ferocious competitor but also a cool head (as signal by his penalties)
Hopefully he can bring those attributes into his management and get some of these players to earn their crust and also push through some of the talent we have at this great club
213 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:46:41
215 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:54:11
216 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:54:23
I am actually looking forward to seeing us play some Everton style footy for once-hard work, playing for the team, supporting your team mate, getting at the oppo early , not standing off and making our presence felt-all things I associated with Unsworths game as a player.
217 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:56:04
Thats what you get when you bring in a no nonsense manager at a club.
Not saying a different option will not work, I am sure there are talented managers out there, but first lets learn our lesson from our previous two and at least give Unsworth a go,
218 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:57:01
Unsy is doing a great job where he is but I think that he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't if he takes the reins.
If he was given to the end of the season, the first game he loses he will have the full weight of the English press, Sky TV etc on his back. Unsworth loses a game, does he have the know-how ? is it all too soon ? etc etc. I think he would suffer the same fate as Craig Shakespeare and remember Shakespeare was actually a number 2 with Leicester for some time.
Would I love him to be a success, of course. Do I think it could happen. No. If he wants management he needs to go and manage in the Championship and if he proves himself and Everton come knocking, brilliant.
Eddie Howe is an Evertonian. He has gone and plied his trade and done exceptionally well at Bournemouth. He has been exceptional. Nobody on here is asking for him and yet he has worked miracles at Bournemouth. They have been a tin pot club for so long and he has given them stability on a very small budget.
He's not even my choice but I'd be happier with him because he's done more at this level. Let Unsy take the reins for the short term but let him continue to work miracles with our U23's. If he wants to be a manager he needs to go and earn his spurs elsewhere. It would be tragic if he became a failed Everton manager and the U23 job would then be gone for him too. If Eddie Howe came to us would Bournemouth consider Rhino ? no chance and why not, because he has no experience of managing at a decent level.
Only my opinion. If Phil Neville becomes involved in some capacity we're truly doomed.
Perhaps Eddie Howe would take Rhino as his number 2
219 Posted 24/10/2017 at 16:58:40
The way to shut up Carragher, is for Unsey to take a team to (dare I mention it), and win.
Joe (Royle) did it - and I was there, what a wonderful experience.
If Unsey does, I do, honestly believe, the hex will be broken.
Bring it on.
221 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:03:19
222 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:09:40
I think Chelsea tomorrow might be too much too soon, but I expect a good showing at the weekend. Even playing the U23 team would be better than the dross we've had to watch this season.
223 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:14:34
224 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:21:07
225 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:21:39
226 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:22:52
227 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:23:56
229 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:30:01
230 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:32:06
231 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:38:54
He spent many a happy hour at our abode.
I cant take any credit in him signing for the club though, I think he was into Man Utd as a kid.
I wish him all the luck in the world I think he's going to need it.
What he does not need if in the next 3 or 4 games the results are poor, people start getting on his back.
He should be judged on how the team perform, we all know the best side does not always win, that's why I mentioned luck.
I'm sure though that us fans will be getting behind him, wishing him well and he will get a fair crack of the whip.
He's lacking experience obviously, but with a little help I cant see why he cant make as good a job as many of the other managers mentioned who may be in the running for the position of manager.
232 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:39:32
233 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:40:31
234 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:43:02
235 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:43:23
I honestly think it will make no difference.
236 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:45:08
237 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:47:54
Those saying Unsy doesnt deserve this chance Pep started his managerial career in charge of Barca B before taking over the first team. We wont know until he tries. Im expecting a lot more energy and pace.
Im still pretty sure all Koeman did was pick a team and send them out with little or no instruction. Ive always had a soft spot for Pellegrini after watching his Villarreal team... Ofher than that I dont have a preference. I just dont want Howe or Dyke etc. We are supposed to have ambition and some financial clout so lets get it done. How many windows will it take now to undo this mess: And ffs put Sandro and Klaassen in the under 23s, where they belong.
238 Posted 24/10/2017 at 17:57:21
Just like 'The Alchemist' could the treasure we are looking for be home all along!?
We need a manager right NOW who has passion and commitment, won't cost £6M a year, knows the club, won't need £100M to get us winning, has already won things at the club as a player and manager, has already managed at senior level and won every game, can work with the players at his disposal, and will bring a fighting spirit to a team bereft of both fight and spirit.
If he brings the defensive know how of David Moyes and the attacking ability of Martinez, coupled with the fire of dogs of war football, I can't see us getting relegated.
Some of the greatest managers were not the greatest of players. Their playing career was simply a prelude to management.
Give him the chance.
239 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:01:26
I reckon the faithful will love this so go-ed Unsy make the job yours we will all be behind you.
He is one of our own you know.
240 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:02:14
I really, really want to see him just win every game (and never stop! haha). It'd be a dream for everyone if he could do something unexpected and win tomorrow, then follow it up with a couple of wins in the league and suddenly we'll be all thinking, here we go. Of course Shakespeare did that, but when you see articles like this, you listen to him talk, and you hear how he processes everything, I think he's got more than enough mentally to succeed. I'd love it if he did.
He's also got that infectious personality, a bit like Martinez. Watch his press conference, I bet you smiled. Imagine being at training, I bet the players smiled. I bet they really were "buzzing". And I bet they haven't felt that way for some time. I bet they also worked harder than they have done for a long long time. Note Unsworth's references to Moyes and fitness coaches. I bet he'd introduce something similar.
Come on Unsworth, Everton are due a lot of luck, and if you're lucky you should get the job at least until the summer.
241 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:02:48
242 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:03:49
Fat Sam and Dyche are far too close to the top for my liking though.
Tuchel or Ancelotti for me.
243 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:04:26
I have checked and no broadcasters are even showing the game, so I suppose it will be radio coverage at best.
It would have been good to see how the players responded to be unshackled from Koeman, and how they applied themselves.
244 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:07:50
who said. 'We are not allowed into Stalag 6' so I have no idea. Apparently he never spoke to anyone at The club, which is not what the blues are all about. Well he has gone Rhino is in I really really hope he is a success. The blus need that.
245 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:11:30
246 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:27:09
The league games are going to be higher pressure and this gives him a good opportunity to try some stuff out, and then get a couple more days before Leicester. I do believe we have a perfectly good chance of winning tomorrow, and what a start for Rhino and the team that would be if we can pull it off.
Changing the subject slightly, has anyone got any idea if this is likely to be getting any tv streaming anywhere. It is not showing on normal TV I think so grasping at straws.
Good luck tomorrow, Rhino and you Blue boys.
247 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:31:31
248 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:36:48
249 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:39:00
He is clearly very very astute and has a real vision for how the game should be played. He isn't burdened by hyperbole or being overly doer. He seems to have a balance that makes him very listenable.
My concern is this is the worst circumstance he could take over in, but in that is great opportunity. I hope he is given till the New year and if we have improved then extend to May. Then take it from there... but he deserves a shot.
250 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:46:00
I see Onyekuru isnt denying being linked with Atletico Madrid and Juventus. As I initially suspected, he was bought to be sold. Anderlecht are just fattening him up to be someone elses feast.
251 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:58:21
252 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:58:44
What, by the way, is Duncan Ferguson still doing blagging a living from our club? He is a common denominator in the recent failures. " Big Dunc," offers what? .He is like some kind of, mascot, lucky charm that doesn't work.
The only reason he shouldn't be shown the door is if both Martinez and Koeman have steadfastly ignored his advice. If his tactical nous and man management has been wrongly dismissed by the last two coaches.
This " Everton Legend", is as symptomatic of what ails Everton as his sponsor Bill Kenwright.
253 Posted 24/10/2017 at 18:58:59
As someone who lives in Ireland and having only watched the odd game with the under 23's on telly etc I would like to be educated by those who know better !
I have heard from numerous people that David is very highly thought of by both the kids he manages and people within the club in general, personality wise he is the complete opposite from Koeman which is a good start , but it's a different pressure managing the first team , has he got in him to be ruthless ?
This is what I want to know , would he get rid of Ferguson for instance ?
What type of football could we expect if Unsworth got the job full time.
Any thoughts from those of you who watched his progress this last few seasons?
255 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:06:27
I recall reading the article on Rhino Stephen Williams shared @233 when it first came out 4 years ago. It impressed me then, as did his demeanour, selection and tactics for his single previous game as 1st team manager when Roberto got the bullet.
He is an avid learner and I wonder if David whilst watching Everton this season indulged in a similar mental exercise as the now manager of Leeds, Thomas Christiansen whose job interview impressed the club's board so much he landed the job after Gary Monk left.
Apparently, Christiansen showed the Leeds' board a lengthy presentation, analysing the individual players at Elland Road and identifying areas of their squad which required improvement. He also dissected a number of Uniteds fixtures under Monk and outlined the changes he planned to make to the clubs style of play.
This I believe is a model we should be following. Someone capable of deep analysis of individuals and the team and the wherewithal to get it right on the training ground and in the white heat of battle.
Like many others, I would love it if Unsworth could shine in the role and earn the job full time on merit.
256 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:06:47
It is a completely different ballgame being in the spotlight. Massive pressure and every move picked over by all and sundry.
Pressure and stress does strange things to people.Not everybody can operate as normal when in the middle of the maelstrom. Hes untested.
Regardless of all that I would rather him being given a chance than Dyche,Allardyce,etc etc god forbid.
Tuchel and Silva are young and hungry . The only managers that interest me.They would be hands on. If its not given to the Rhinoceros ,Tuchel will get it.
If so I hope Unsy is embraced as his assistant.
257 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:15:50
It's all a mystery how weve performed and its time to stand up and be counted Id have no doubt in Unsys ability to galvanise and motivate
Don't expect much at Chelsea. Get the points in the league and give him some time.
258 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:16:19
Hearken to my joyful tiding
of the golden future time.
These threads remind me so much of the false dawn following Martinez' departure. Everything was perfect..Moshiri and Koeman!! What a combo!
Four legs good, two legs bad. Here we go again..
259 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:20:08
260 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:23:30
I don't see how managing Everton's reserves is any difference to being a coach for a Mickey mouse outfit on the continent. At least Unsworths sides have been smashing all before them and playing great football.
Give Unsworth a shot at the job.We will know by Xmas if he will make a go if it or not.Lets face it Ronald Koeman came with great credentials and stunk the place out .Ex Barca Ex Ajax etc etc. Unsworth will not do a worse job than Rigid Ron. You can bank on that much.
261 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:24:53
262 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:25:28
263 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:41:25
Big name players usually come with big price tags and don't always perform. Take some of our own 'stars' to begin with. But also look at (off the top of my head) Pogba, Ozil, Stones none of whom have pulled-up any trees. We've splashed the cash and look where we are.
I wouldn't assume that just because David Unsworth does not have a decorated career that he won't be successful. On paper our squad doesn't look too bad (striker aside) and if Unsworth can get the system right and the players clicking, he could surprise a few.
He's got a tough task given what he's starting with but he can't do any worse than Koeman.
Let's see if, in the next 9 games, he can better RK's last 9 game record in recouping 8 points (at who knows how many million per point). If he doesn't then God help us.
But I have a suspicion he will do pretty well.
And as well as any 'star' manager inheriting this shambles - at least in the short term.
264 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:42:17
As for Silva, he's already relegated Hull so seems a little too Martinesque for me.
I don't rate many in our squad at present and expect little improvement whoever is in charge. Don't expect too many silk purses from these cows ears whoever gets the gig !
265 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:42:18
Lots of our players have been struggling - Schneiderlin, Williams, Keane, Sigurdsson etc. But these players have not become bad players overnight. I believe a fresh approach, and getting everyone onside, will give everyone a lift.
Welcome to the managers chair Rhino. He couldnt have done more with the under 23s. He will know every up and coming young player in the land.
Get us organised and motivated, and inject a bit of pace and youth, and we will be ok. The first few games arent easy, but the fans will be back onside also now. COYB!
266 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:46:05
As confused as a OFM team selection
267 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:46:19
But on all that is holy, please get someone that reveres pace and power, especially pace allied to a bit of skill. Surely thats not too much to ask for, especially with the resources this club can supposedly command.
268 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:47:12
269 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:53:18
Who do you want?
270 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:57:00
271 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:57:49
272 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:58:12
fearless faithful guardian!
Proud and strong,
protect us from the wrong,
you will defend us
with your lofty knowledge.
Our team our team
there is no beast thats braver!
They will not ever waver!
They face the fight,
for right with might.
Glorious, great and triumphant,
gallant hero resilient!
273 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:58:38
Let's hope I've got it all wrong. Again.
274 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:58:56
Confidence breeds confidence, he said the players are buzzing already, the change in short-term mood is very welcome and great to see.
After listening to Rhino I suddenly feel more positive than I have since the summer. Hopefully it's not all front (I don't think it is as he is a naturally positive character) and we will see a happier group of players realising what a great club they represent.
I am not expecting miracles but I am quietly confident of big improvements (given time).
We are all behind you Rhino, come on mate give it everything and show us what Everton is really about.
275 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:59:30
276 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:00:21
1, this is good as it gets
277 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:02:22
1, this right now is as good as it gets. We can speculate and be excited. Whoever gets the job will disappoint eventually, in some way.
2, if it's Unsworth then Niasse will be the main man!
278 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:05:44
279 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:14:17
281 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:16:02
Or, Rhino and Big Dunc walk into the dressing room, Dunc starts slapping players in the chops, anyone with the bollocks to square up, THAT'S our captain. Assuming, that is, he survives.
282 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:17:04
283 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:20:46
284 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:21:03
285 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:26:32
Much damage has been done and we are not suddenly going to become a free-scoring side - because we have no free scorers.
I wish David well and I think we do indeed have the makings of a very decent side in due course. But it isn't being miserable to say that I remain worried about our situation and I suspect that our managerial selection is going to have to reflect our limitations pretty quickly.
286 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:42:20
287 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:42:33
288 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:48:26
289 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:49:45
That, obviously may not improve overnight as Unsy just has the same personnel to work with.
They will need some luck to win a few games between now and January but perhaps Unsy , Royle and Ebrell can at least boost the confidence levels throughout and get them believing they can compete.
290 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:50:51
The next man who can play these guys in the right position, give them a clear tactical message they can understand and grab us a top notch striker will be our next hero.
It would be a great story if it was Rhino.
291 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:51:19
All those wishing for Anceloti, Silva, Tuchel and any other manager you wish to name please remember that the most successful managers of Everton have been former players or Evertonians.
We all say we are truly a different club to all others well perhaps this is one of the reasons why someone who truly understands the club is successful as a manager.
292 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:55:35
293 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:57:06
294 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:03:14
A manager whom we all like who loves the club and doesn't see us as a stepping stone to something bigger and better. Because in Rhino's mind it's already the biggest and best job.
He talks about us as "us" and "we" like we fans do which is a refreshing change too.
It would be a crying shame if, in ten years' time, we're still referring to him as the best under 23 manager around if he never had a shot at the big job. All the best to you Unsy, a proper Evertonian!
295 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:12:36
Also, however matey it sounds and however pompous my thoughts on it sound, how about not calling our new manager fucking Rhino. Rhino was the under 23 coach.
296 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:17:10
Good job Philip Carter didn't think like you we'd never have given Howard Kendal the chance to manage at the top level it's about time young English coaches were given a chance instead of second rate foreign coaches like our last 2 who have cost the best part of 20 million to get rid of
297 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:21:25
298 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:23:01
Could be a happier camp now methinks. We may see what these players can really do!
299 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:25:37
Most notable absentees are Jonjo Kenny, Benni Baningime and David Henen.
300 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:27:32
I also agree with you about some other signings, especially Klaassen who I think could yet be a big part of the future despite his general awfulness since arriving.
301 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:28:43
302 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:28:50
303 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:30:32
If moneys short (after severance pay) Luke Shaw on loan and Kevin Gameiro up front would be two easy(ish) targets as they are both surplus to their clubs.
Looks like Paul Clement might be out of a job soon which could open the door to
305 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:34:17
306 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:37:20
307 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:44:45
I think Bob Paisley could be counted as a successful caretaker manager.
Possibly Rhino has similar attributes.
We are about to start finding out.
Good luck to Unsy and the team.
308 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:56:03
I wish Unsy all the best and if it doesn't work out for him this time then I hope there is an opportunity for him to learn from a winner of a manger that we appoint so that he is even better equipped to takeover as manager at the next opportunity.
Colin 136. Thats brilliant. Very true as well. Remove the deadwood at the top.
309 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:56:18
I thought his comments about Barkley, being a great player, and an Evertonian, and wanting him to stay, very passionate and respectful. Koeman's treatment of Ross was a disgrace. Hopefully he'll stay now, as Sigurdsson / Klaassen wouldn't lace his boots. NSNO
310 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:03:22
311 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:06:29
I don't think silva is so special just another Martinez and Ancelloti has never coached a struggling side he has always worked with top players so he could be a massive gamble and why was he sacked,David Unsworth knows how to win games so in my opinion he has earned the chance
312 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:16:34
313 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:28:55
Give him a couple of games while we sort a new manager.
But we need someone with a great reputation who will attract top players.
Yes hes a great Evertonian, and yes he has done well for the past two seasons with the U23s. but lets face it he is 44 has never managed in any senior league and wont attract top players from any league.
Lets get away from having an Evertonian as a manager and look for someone who will at least get the other managers and teams a bit scared about having to play us.
314 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:32:13
He was let down there. This can't keep happening whether its wages or fees.
The club either wants success or it doesn't?
Koeman did seem to go along with a lot of praise for the new players (maybe any manager would?) so I wouldn't rule out he brought some duds in but them signings are not all Koeman players I don't care what anyone says.
315 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:33:28
316 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:34:42
I took the bait.
Im so p . off with whats been going on behind the scenes, that I couldnt see the wood from the trees (deadwood ha ha).
How about Ibrahimovic on loan in January as a stopgap for the rest of the season, until we sort the current mess out? Dont ask, dont get!
Give Lookman and Niasse a run in the meantime, they might just come good. Henen training with 1st team, would never have happened under Koeman.
317 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:36:26
318 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:39:09
Isn't that what the guy we just got rid off was supposed to be?
The problem with the likes of Koeman and Ancellotti is their ultimate aim is embellishment of their own reputation and standing through successful steering of 'a project' (*hock pttt*), whilst simultaneously filling their pockets. Failure is a personal blow to their ego and legacy that they'll simply look to shake off by getting back in the saddle somewhere else. For them, Everton will only ever amount to a short-term assignment and one that would be some way back on their list of preferred destinations.
Koeman clambered aboard half-blind in the mistaken belief that the Everton job was one commensurate in standing to being coach of Southampton, except with more coin to spend on players and a sweeter salary. I honestly believe he was caught unawares by the passion, expectations and demands of Everton fans and thought he could simply sail through his contract in a half-arsed manner, while receiving pats on the back for replicating similar streaky results to those he achieved on the south coast. He had no notion of the fervour football whips up on Merseyside. Everton was a stepping stone the soft twat realised too late was scolding hot when he tried to stomp all over it.
For Ancelotti it would be nothing more than convenient arse cushioning while he waited for a chance to climb back up the ladder.
It's been far too long since we've had someone at the top whose ultimate ambition was to achieve success for Everton, not for themselves first with Everton benefiting almost as a by-product. Someone who views being Everton manager as their dream job, not just a park bench (with an excellent benefits package) on which they can park their arse and get their breath back while on the path to a more plum role.
Unsworth has run the full gamut at Goodison. He knows what it's like to come up through the ranks, to battle and stand up against more experienced and recognisable names, has experienced the pressure of having to perform in one of the worst Everton sides ever, along with seeing how that same side can be rejuvenated by sound coaching, canny man-management and sheer force of personality, resulting in the elation of landing a long awaited trophy. He knows both what it feels like to be shipped out of the club and to be brought into the club. As his spot-kick record shows, he knows what it feels like to stand up at Goodison, shoulder pressure and regularly deliver. He's demonstrated an admirable desire for self-improvement and furthering his own education, along with a talent for engendering the same in a younger generation. He's risen to every challenge he's been handed since returning to the club in a coaching capacity and has earnt respect from all those under his charge.
The values, history and expectations of the club, along with the knowledge of what's required to meet them are ingrained in his bones. Unity and passion for the cause were sorely lacking under Koeman, Unsworth would inspire both straightaway.
Having looked at the names who are out there and deemed realistic...the 'failed elsewhere but still good enough to be employed at fucking Goodison' floatabouts, the 'sub par but safe pair of hands' squad, the 'done decent at a dog rough club, so richly deserves the step up' Dyche's of the world... I genuinely see no other who would excite, while getting me off the fence and firmly in their corner from the get go.
319 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:50:01
320 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:50:36
321 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:50:54
322 Posted 24/10/2017 at 22:52:10
323 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:07:06
324 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:18:51
Unsworth is the answer. He gets Everton.
Those that don't understand don't matter.
325 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:20:14
Go back to basics, play people in their positions and make sure we have some pace and width. It really isnt a complicated game.
Ill be at the match tomorrow and Ive got a feeling well beat Chelseas reserves which will give us a massive boost for 3 points on the weekend.
Therell be a honeymoon period, just hope it lasts for a while. Lets get some decent footy back to GP.
326 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:26:36
327 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:28:09
328 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:42:25
329 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:49:17
Wasn't something like that mentioned by Moshiri?
Let's add Unsworth to that list ay?
Sorry I haven't read the above posts so don't take offence if I've gone against the grain. I don't care anyway.
Good luck David your gonna need it. My best wishes.
330 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:53:35
You know as well as I do how fans can turn on managers and players in the blink of an eye. A few bad results and the the euphoria turns to anger and the “get the fat, useless fucker out of my club” starts
People say owners have no patience these days but deary me, us fans have even less. If he does get the job I hope hes given more than 2-3 games before hes accused, judged and sentenced.
331 Posted 24/10/2017 at 23:54:27
332 Posted 25/10/2017 at 00:17:37
I wonder why? So their comfortable Evertonian lifestyle can continue unchallenged?
Koeman met a brick wall at Everton. We need to appoint someone to smash through it.
Institutionalised mediocre bullshit. This club needs to appoint a manager with balls. Nothing personal against Unsworth.
He has my full backing from here out.
333 Posted 25/10/2017 at 00:33:50
334 Posted 25/10/2017 at 00:35:04
335 Posted 25/10/2017 at 00:44:50
336 Posted 25/10/2017 at 00:45:11
Guardiola must be shitting his boxers as we speak.
337 Posted 25/10/2017 at 00:55:53
So the ambitions of Moshiri & Co are probably far less than being top dog, much like our neighbours across the park. Near the top, but not the top, contenders rather than trophy winners.
Given those limited ambitions, the trick surely is to find a manager who can get the best out of what he has available. Koeman wasn't good at that, but perhaps Unsworth can be. Or if he can't, someone else.
338 Posted 25/10/2017 at 01:00:13
339 Posted 25/10/2017 at 01:07:11
I would wager despite your concerns I think the fanbase will give Unsworth time & patience should he need it.
The man himself knows what it is to be part of the club, and also knows what we wont put up with.
If he aint up to it hed say so himself. All the other options, the well worn obvious will still be there if Unsy doesnt make it so absolutely give him a go.
I for one a vocal critic of the previous manager will say if the football is not up to scratch but not in a way thats demeaning to Unsworth. Hed expect no less.
I suspect, and hope it wont ever get close to that. Nice to be excited and have a sense of anticipation about Everton again.
340 Posted 25/10/2017 at 01:17:30
We have mega problems. We have too many shyster players still in the squad even after a major disposal of more than a few of them under Koeman. They just don't deserve to playing for a club intent on Champions League qualification, and that is the current criteria apparently. Put simply I suspect that we have players whose worst fears would be CL qualification because they believe that it would signal their personal relegation from the squad, to a lesser club, at a lesser wage, and they'd be right.
Unsworth has won sod all in football, just like Duncan Ferguson, John Ebbrell, and Alan Irvine. For the many nostalgic "promote from within" fans everyone of those guys seems to be the answer. I disagree. Kendall Mk.1 was a winner. He did with us in 1970. He then learnt his trade as a manager with Blackburn for two years before joining us and even then it took three years for the success to arrive.
In comparison Moshiri wants it now, comparatively immediately. He therefore has to look elsewhere in my opinion, not that I have a clue about the ideal candidate. It'll cost him way more than Koeman cost too.
And then there's the stadium to pay for.
341 Posted 25/10/2017 at 01:48:58
Moshs ambition is to get near the top, no higher. last time around he hired probably the highest profile manager likely to come to Everton at that point. We know now that it didnt pan out as desired but OK, thats football. . . . . .
So rather than try again, go for what he believes to be a quality manager able of improving the clubs standing over a period of time we should just bring in someone who can just get us a bit better and be happy with that?
Mate, just because he hasnt gone berserk in the transfer market and brought in pep doesnt make him un ambitious, it makes him pragmatic. Cant do the city/Chelsea splurge then build over a period of time. It makes no sense to throw all the money you have at a team if you cant sustain the investment. That will only result in Boom/bust
Koeman didnt work out, dramatically so as it happens. That does not equate to a lack of ambition. It just means that we try a different approach. City went through Erickson and Hughes before Mancini achieved anything of note, Utd took 4 seasons and 3 managers to get back on track, Spurs I cant even remember how many!
The debt is now managed, a stadium is a real possibility, the squad, whilst unbalanced is capable of better things especially when back to full strength. A new coach taking over doesnt have to cull a great amount of dead wood. The crying shame of the end of Rons tenure is that even without a striker he couldnt get the players he had to create chances or even string passes together. Plenty of teams in the Pl are doing just fine without a striker as good as Calvert Lewin or a playmaker as good as siggy
We should be looking for another quality manager capable of big things, but one who also gets the best out of what he has. If Rhino can do that, all the better, but really our ambition should be set on higher
342 Posted 25/10/2017 at 02:30:16
Just like Kendall, he has served a managerial apprenticeship. Ok it was PL2 rather than lower divisions but he won the thing! At our club! With some of the players that we want to see in our first team!
Ok, he wasn't the player that Kendall was and the likelihood of him being the manager that Kendall was it's fairly low. But is there enough in his background to rule him out? Absolutely not!
343 Posted 25/10/2017 at 02:33:59
Don, the "It" that Moshiri wants now is stability of the club in around 6th, 7th place, with a possible tilt at the odd cup or EL. Same as he wanted with Koeman. Anything more requires 400 million plus, not 200... and keeping the best players, not flogging them off to balance the spend.
Ain't no top four planned for this team, not in the foreseeable, so enjoy the rescue act, enjoy the football, and live in hope that we pull off an occasional Leicester.
344 Posted 25/10/2017 at 02:39:40
I'm fed up of saying it, never mind watching it, but somebody sabotaged our season before it began by failing to sign a proper striker. Like Martinez Koeman's now got the lottery-winning chop and deservedly so (in terms of the chop that is) if the failure was his, but was it his?
And even if it was, whoever the new guy will be still has the problem of trying to identify a player able to obtain a realistic modicum of "ball purchase / scoring threat" in and around the opposition's penalty area.
345 Posted 25/10/2017 at 02:41:42
'The Board' which according to the r.s. echo, has been and when it comes to Footy matters, still is, BPB; are looking at...fill in one of 10 here... to make Permanent.
The Unsworth remit; as I see it, is to (try to) convert losses into draws and draws into wins...but more importantly, generally improve the whole vibe.
The only one of his probable, up to now 4 games that might come under Moshiri's 'Expected Wins' is Watford.
Under Koeman those 4 games might've been seen as L, L, L, D. We would like to see W, W, W, W. from Unsworth...I can see Koemans only half decent legacy being that quote...'But OK, that's football'
used mostly in an Ironic sense.
We want Unsworth to succeed, and BPB won't be too upset either, because it gives him a bit of Leverage in negotiations with the Permanent guy.
Up to a point the actual results won't matter, more the manner in which we go about them.
I would like Unsworth to put Bill in a quandary come 5th Nov...a sort of do we really need to fork out 'X million for whoever.
We don't know what the terms are for Unsworth, is it we'll suck it and see or is it until the new guy signs on the line.
I vote for the Fairy Tale Option...and I suspect quite a lot more than will admit it do as well. Which is why Kenwright has lasted so long, we're all, or most of us to some degree, as daft and sentimental as he is...Or else we wouldn't be Evertonians, the bitterness is just the other side of that coin.
John Daley @318; top post mate, up there with Darren's the other week.
346 Posted 25/10/2017 at 02:48:07
Failure to do so exposes him as a silly dreamer.
347 Posted 25/10/2017 at 02:54:20
I argued strenuously several times if things had been handled well Lukaku would have scored 35 not 25. Everton should have finished higher. The last 10 games were beyond awful.
One place higher would have avoided the qualifying rounds and maybe given him more time to shape the team?
The absence of a recognised centre forward was far from his biggest problem, which was himself.
348 Posted 25/10/2017 at 03:26:11
Well he would, wouldn't he. Imagine if he'd said "We hope to emulate Southampton's last two seasons". Of course, the centre forward issue, from Rom to none, just confirms the scope and reach of the project.
Football is still the mix of hope and reality it's probably always been, except now, the money has kind of redefined the reality.
350 Posted 25/10/2017 at 05:21:20
351 Posted 25/10/2017 at 06:15:48
But my sons and I were talking about Everton this evening and we came to a conclusion.
In our 10 years of support from barstools across the pond, the single best team we have seen play is Martinez' first year's side. They were wonderful to watch.
Why do I mention this?
I have a stronger feeling of hope with Unsy. I think this man is a winner, and I've never wanted someone to succeed so badly.
I believe, with the utmost conviction, that this man has what it takes.
I'm more excited than I've ever been as a fan of Everton Football Club. I believe this man can surpass that "Martinez first year euphoria."
Time will tell, but I've got a really good feeling about Unsworth and his ability.
Give him time. I truly believe we've got a winner at the helm.
It's strike gold or bust, and I think we are about to strike gold.
352 Posted 25/10/2017 at 06:31:07
Jesus, Mary and Joseph John Daley that was brilliant.
You have summed up everything my feeble brain could not.
Let's fucking get behind this man through thick an thin.
I thought of a parallel. Living in America I've seen a dick of a President polarize this nation massively. I've told my wife I don't give a shit about party affiliation next election, I want a man or woman who can unify my country.
In a microcosmic way, surely Unsy is the unifier for Everton? He's one of yours - I don't have the gumption to say, "one of ours" because I wasn't around for most of his career and frankly I don't feel worthy enough to utter that statement. But surely this is the man YOU all respect and can get behind?
God I hope this man succeeds.
353 Posted 25/10/2017 at 07:28:53
354 Posted 25/10/2017 at 07:35:10
you are missing an "s" after your second "one".
Regarding patience, if this is middle of August, I can see fans being patient with Unsy. But if, say, he managed another 4 points out of the next 4 league games (on average better than the current 8 from 9 games), I don't think anyone can be patient. Does this lead to the conclusion that Moshiri acted a bit too late? Unsy has a very hot potato in his hand now.
355 Posted 25/10/2017 at 07:43:13
I supposed sometimes best to keep joke to yourself and people that know you well. Some people can't see a joke as a joke.
356 Posted 25/10/2017 at 08:01:41
Never seen so much big bang theory banter in my whole life.
Surely this poor effort for humour only amuses the poster?
357 Posted 25/10/2017 at 08:15:44
358 Posted 25/10/2017 at 08:22:07
While managers are of all abilities their still at the mercy of the quality of the players.
Ours as a squad are not good enough, we are 7th place quality and from where we are now top 10 probably.
The Premiership results at the top especially, except from the Leicester blip have proved to be a money race.
Unless we can join the party and splash the cash on the right players like they do, I'm afraid we are stuck in the same limbo we have been for a long time.
359 Posted 25/10/2017 at 08:27:38
360 Posted 25/10/2017 at 09:01:29
Whether the qualities he has are sufficient to make him a manager of a Premier League team is unproven. I agree that managers like Koeman and Ancelotti do not bring an emotional commitment, but again I'm not sure that is a pre-requisite.
Dyche, Wagner and Hughton have all done good jobs with very limited resources, because of good man-management and tactical organisation. I'd like to see one of them given a chance at Goodison.
361 Posted 25/10/2017 at 09:09:31
Why this preoccupation with employing a manager who will attract “top players”. Weve just had a summer with quite an amount of cash laid out on transfers led by a manager who was legend in the game as a player (not a coach!). He couldnt attract the top players. We managed to get the likes of Pickford, Keane and Sigurdsson. The top players go to the clubs who have CL football. Lets be realistic we need to get those very decent players who we can improve and fit together perfectly as a team. Thats how we will progress.
362 Posted 25/10/2017 at 09:13:42
Mike - forget my email. Read John Daleys post #318 instead please!
363 Posted 25/10/2017 at 09:17:12
Only positive results will impress Moshiri, starting with tonight he has to alter the mindset and tactics of the team to somehow turn them into a bunch of winners.
It's a tall order and we wish him all the luck in the world.
364 Posted 25/10/2017 at 09:26:18
I get the freshness of Unsworth, I do. I also get what people like John Daley (318) have posted with regards to knowing the club. My only issue is that it is all too dewey eyed and romantic for me. In the cold light of day we have to be methodical and impassioned (at least the board do) about this:
1) Koeman hasn't worked. That doesn't mean another foreign coach won't. Most teams aren't managed by 'one of their own' It shouldn't be a pre-requisite, knee jerk reaction.
2) By all means, if by the end of these games, Unsworth earns it until the end of the season, go for it. But he has to earn it. Given his lack of experience I feel he has to do more than others.
3) At 44 Tuchel has already managed three teams, two in a top division with a reasonable degree of success. Dyche at 46 has been at two, with two promotions and games managed in three figures. Silva is four years younger and has experience now in 3 nations. Unsworth isn't a young manager. I do question why he has never taken the plunge.
4) I don't feel that the U23s is really preparation for senior football. It is of limited importance. Chelsea would rather loan out their team after all. It involves coaching, but not the media scrutiny and impact of senior football.
5) It does concern me that this is the guy the players want. Leicester said the same thing. I wonder whether they sense 'comfort zone'.
Overall, he has my total support. But long term, I want the best man for the job. We are a massive job and it needs the right man. For me, I would like a serious interview of Tuchel, Fonseca, Dyche, Unsworth and Silva. To be honest, my preference would probably be Silva. Gives the aura of the next Potch for me.
365 Posted 25/10/2017 at 09:38:09
I can't remember one, but happy to be proved wrong. In all for Rhino having a pop at it, but I'm also one of those that can't help but feel it's a typically Blue Bill, typically Everton, typically romantic notion of it working out. Even more do with Ebrell, Duncan, Big Joe and even Franny Jeffers stepping up to the under 23's. It's all pure Everton to appease the supporters.
You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in Evertonians.
366 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:07:31
The reality is that we were in a terrible situation with every chance of the nightmare of relegation and the club imploding, if Koeman hadn't been sacked.
We're still in a mess as I see it, because the players that have been recruited don't appear to fit into any pattern that has been tried by Koeman.
My view of Farhad Moshiri, is that he will stick with this club, he wants success for this club and he took decisive action by dismiising RK. I think he realises (well I hope he does!) that the situation now is not likely to be helped by bringing in a new "top Class" manager.
We cannot bring in any players until January, so the talk of a new centre forward is pointless for now. We have to make do with what we have on the playing staff and the dire need now is for the moral of the players we have now (and us!) lifted immediately. A need for all of our players to feel wanted and respected by the club and for each and every one of them to pull their tripes out for every minute of every match that they are selected for.
We need a team that goes out on the pitch for every match where every player feels he is playing in an organised team. That every player buys in to what is expected of him and that he relishes being in a postion he feels comfortable in.
No matter what the result (certainly in the Karaoke Cup) it is more important that our players give themselves, and us, their pride back. They come off that pitch with their heads up after giving there all, on it.
For now, we want stability, enthusiasm and sheer honest effort, guts and determination of all of our players.
That is what I think Unsworth, more than any manager who came in now, will give our players. I think he, along with Joe Royle, John Ebbrell and Duncan Ferguson, know each and every players strengths and weaknesses and will be able to make the best of what we have.
If Oumar Niasse has been treated in such a manner has he has just related, if a born Evertonian with other Premiership clubs wanting his services, would rather leave than play again for the club he loves, then something has been drastically putrid in our club.
For now, the best remedy possible for the malaise that has infected our club and our players, is for someone to get a real grip of the situation and change it it to a much more positive and supportive one.
My view is that a new manager now, no matter how fine a tactician, no matter "big" he is in terms of who he has managed, can not do the job required as well as our ex players can.
Joe Royle is an man that Unsy can (and certainly will) turn to for good advice on all aspects of managing a great club, so in the mire that we are in, I don't think we could have a better team to get us out of that mire and begin the process of seeing our players WANt to come out on that pitch and get stuck right in to the opposition (in a football sense, not a Williams sense) in every match.
As for the players we have, well, I think we have players who are better than what results we have had and what they have shown so far.
I think we have not used our players anywhere near as effectively as their abilities warrant.
Hopefully, James and Ross are not too far away from full fitness, and the sooner the better. I think Mirallas, Lookman, Vlasic and even Bainsey, can provide speed down the wings. I think Bainsey is feeling the pace to be playing wing back but to me, he'd make a great little winger with someone behind him. We've also got Aaron Lennon, who always comes back to help his full back and hopefully John Kenny will be there until Seamus comes back.
Ig Siggy is given the role that he played in Swansea and for Iceland, with players around him who support him, we might just start seeing him being more effective.
As for C/F well for whatever reason, we didn't buy one but Dom is learning with every game and, again, there needs to be the support around him to give him chances. Klaason? well I think he needs time (that maybe we haven't got right now, but he may wel fit in higher up the field as a second attacker, as he's got a good goal scoring record. There's Oumar (is he our second leading goalscorer?) he's willing; and deserves a chance to be part of the squad.
So, in my view, for now, we have enough talent (and now hopefully, the bollocks) to start getting us out of the mire and away from the threat we face.
I reckon that if Unsy and co have done that by the time of early December, then my view would be that Mr Moshiri would not have to make a rushed job of picking a Manager.
Once January comes and the window opens, there's no guarantee that a centre forward who is top class, would become available anyway. so perhaps we look at loan deals until the Summer.
We are far and away from being in a position of picking a manager who will get us into the top six, let alone the top four. We need stability and steady, even if slow, progress.
The number one target is to steady the ship and get us up that league. I don't hink we could have anyone better than Unsy and co to do that.
367 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:12:30
I hope it works out and we start to turn the corner, if not Unsworth can hopefully continue the great work at the Academy.
I would also like to see other former blues involved in some capacity, such as Reid, Mountfield and Southall. That is our "DNA" and they could add value to our "Fabric"
Lets start aiming for the Sky because we are EVERTON. No more rolling over to the so called "Top Sides" and coming out with excuses. Onwards and upwards blues.
My team for the Chelsea game would be the following:
368 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:13:00
Agree with your assessment about the short/medium term. I think given the paucity of options I would be considering giving it to the internal team until the end of the season and re-evaluate then.
I am not convinced that Unsworth is the long term solution though.
I would also like to see other former blues involved in some capacity, such as Reid, Mountfield and Southall. That is our "DNA" and they could add value to our "Fabric" Lets start aiming for the Sky because we are EVERTON.
Lets start aiming for the Sky because we are EVERTON.
I think the two are contradictory statements. If you aim for the sky, realistically employing a failed manager, and two who have had fleeting involvement in football since retiring isn't the answer despite them being Evertonians.
369 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:17:42
Soppy love will be the death of us.
370 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:23:47
Jamie C, I wish you well mate, and although we are lucky to get rid of our trump lookalike, you poor fuckers have got the real thing. Id hate him to be running a kids footy team, never mind the most powerfully armed nation in the world. The internet hackers are definitely more powerful than the sword!
371 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:26:50
I don't know who wrote what you have italicised but I think the first sentence of it was meant for the interim, not permanent, as there's always a danger of too many cooks...
I think the last sentence was an aspiration that we all want to see; but for now, it's feet on the ground and steadily reaching set targets.
Like you, I'm not sure that Unsy and co would be the permanent answer; but that is a question for Mr Moshiri. For now, we need to buy time...and immediately (after tonight that is!)
372 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:30:24
As for "employing a failed manager" Unsworth has not had a fair crack at the Job at Everton yet and could do better than anyone could have ever imagined. He might not be the Glamour name that we all crave but who knows because great ex players do not make great coaches/managers that's for sure.
We should look to produce our own world class coaches and managers from within moving forward and establish a wealth of young talent moving them out on loan to develop at senior level like all the Top Sides do now. If they end up not being up to the standard we can sell/move them on.
Football is not rocket science but you need to believe in winning and not have the inferiority complex that has been hampering us for well over 20 years now. If your main goal every season as a top pro footballer is to not win the Premier League then why even bother playing???
373 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:31:10
318, is brilliant.
I just don't see a "top class" manager arriving and sorting this out.
While I see what people are saying about the insular bit, if it doesn't work out after he's really been given a chance, then there will be a thorough clear out.
374 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:51:28
Fortunately both Darren Hind and John Daley have both contributed what I regard as compelling arguments for David Unsworth.
I have to say though Jamie Crowleys posts at 351 & 352 have done it for me. Well said Jamie. One small point - you wrote:
But surely this is the man YOU all respect and can get behind?
Should read WE all. You are undoubtedly one of us.
The thought occurred to me that if David Unsworth can get so many of us fired up after one press conference surely he can lift the spirits of the team. I keep harping back to this - men follow men.
I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when he had his “private” talk with the players.
One thing is for sure - we are now in a better place than we were a week ago. One major hurdle has been negotiated.
It is early days but I can see a way out of our current position now.
I understand the concerns of fans like Dan Davies # 336
Guardiola must be shitting his boxers as we speak.
Probably not just now Dan but he will be if David Unsworth gets Us playing the “Everton Way”.
Good luck to Unsworth and the team tonight.
Up the Blues!!!!
375 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:54:36
376 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:54:54
To be honest, we have Sharp, Stuart, Snodin already involved in the club. I think a link with the past is good, too many though and you are simply harking back to times gone. We know Moshiri wants to get away from that. Lukaku made the same point.
Looking at Neville's twitter account, I am not sure he is really cut out for ambassadorial roles, either.
377 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:55:49
Id go 4-4-2 and go down fighting.
Subs: Stek, Holgate, Martina, Lookman, Sandro, Besic, Beni
378 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:00:10
The thing needed is the man-management and tactical acumen that can get Sigurdsson, Klassen, Keane etc playing to their full potential.
If Unsworth can do that I'm all for him, but it is a conditional, not a given simply because he played for us and has sat in the Gwladys Street.
379 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:09:05
I would concur with having Unsworth or similar at the head of team affairs, particularly at this moment in time, but is that the correct path to take in the long-run?
Moshiri hasn't got the wealth of Abromovich and therefore can't make the changes to the club that he might like to, whilst Bill has retained control or at least has a major influence on team affairs and is that apparent tension between the two parties at the root of the clubs ills?
Ronald Koeman failed to make the best of it at Goodison and that is his fault, but how much did others within the club undermine him? We'll likely never know the answer to that question but it would be a question that any high profile manager may ask himself before considering taking up the reins at Goodison Park.
Unsworth or similar would be the right choice going forward if the club wanted to remain in its all too familiar seventh is heaven mode, but if it wants to try and break into the higher echelons it may need the high profile type that Moshiri seems keen on attracting.
Whatever the leaders of the club decide, it would look as if another season and plenty of cash has been wasted and the club is no further on the road to success than they were five years ago. Until the owner and the board agree on how to steer the club in an agreed direction, we may waste many more millions and suffer many more setbacks in our pursuit of success.
News on the proposed stadium would be most welcome at this time, but is that project, suffering from similar issues to the choice of manager, among those who lead the club?
I tend to agree with those who say we need a wealthier person than Moshiri to oversee real change at the club, but that isn't likely to happen in the near future, therefore we should tailor our expectations to fit i.e. top six and decent runs in the cup competitions. Unsworth or similar are more than capable of achieving that given a fair wind and full support from the owner, board and fans.
380 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:13:30
Unsworth hasn't been near the first team, so that in itself is a concern. Jeffers has now taken over the U23's, so you wouldn't say this was exactly a pivotal role at the club, would you?I know we all love to think Unsworth could walk into that dressing room kissing the badge, and letting all these players know what the club is about, but wouldn't Rooney, Ferguson, Jagielka & Baines all have had something to say on that score?
The U23's is used for players getting back to full fitness and giving trials out to new players, as well as the like of Niasse being told to train with the stiffs, so I wouldn't put too much faith in the fact we have won the U23's title.
Unsworth is probably on about £80K a year, imagine being offered £2-3m without having to prove to anyone you have the credentials? Of course he's going to dive in with both feet. It's a win-win for any manager. Would he even be considered if he wasn't an ex-player? No chance!
Sorry lads, not having it. We need someone who has proven themselves elsewhere, and a manger like Tuchel, or even Dyche would be more suitable given the choice. We may get a little bounce now Koeman has gone, but there is no evidence to say Unsworth will be the man to take us where we want to go.
It's all a bit 'Kenwright' in the cold light of day. No other big side would be considering giving their U23 coach the main job who hadn't been training the first team on a permanent basis, so why are we any different?
Please don't mention Barca and Guardiola. There is no comparison with their players and budget. I could win something with the players they have had over the years, and I'm only an arl welder!
382 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:25:24
He's one of our own,
He's one of our own!🎶
Rhin-o! Rhin-o! Rhin-o!🦏
383 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:40:45
I really want Unsy to succeed and Im sure hell give us an initial bump in performances but will he be able to keep it up? Hell be coming up against experienced managers who will be trying to psyche him out and pick his teams apart. These are different animals from what hes used to with the kids.
Its going to be a massive test for him and could make or break him. Ill be praying for him.
384 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:54:01
It's possible that, from a business perspective, the cost of trying to reach the very top might be considered too high in relation to the benefit when account is taken of the risk of not actually achieving it. Historically, and this includes us in the 60s and Chelsea and City these days, sustaining the top requires a massive input of money. Without that financial clout, trophy success can occur only sporadically.
Liverpool seem to have settled into this category, near the top but not top, without the investment to reach the top. Such a position can keep a lot of supporters happy. We might be similar. I'm not saying we are, only that we might be. Explicitly considering that possibility enables me to check my expectations, rather than my hopes, thereby minimising disappointment.
When Moshiri took over, I was quite excited. But my dad, who first took me to the match, said to me, don't get too excited, Everton have a habit of raising us up then letting us down.
385 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:56:00
Totally concur with Rick 372- Long term this job needs someone with tactical acumen who can find a way of fitting our expensive signings into a team. That requires more than some tubthumping speech.
If he manages it, I am behind him. For now, he needs to prove to everyone- more for me considering he doesn't have the qualifications or experience to justify having such a top footballing job- that he can do this. The Evertonian element is comforting for now, but won't suffice alone.
Despite all the love in with him being an Evertonian, I do have an issue with him hanging around in a comfy job instead of doing a Stubbsy and going and testing himself. Anyone can never fail if they never take a risk. A penny for Alan's thoughts at the moment. Maybe it should be him?
386 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:03:53
Soppy bollocks did interview Stubbs when Moyes left though. It's all a bit scary!
387 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:17:26
No disrespect to Dave, but I also think the job is too big for him at this time in his career but would be absolutely delighted if he made a fool of me and proved me wrong.
388 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:20:14
Can you prove he is doing any wrong at the club? Do players fall out with him?
People are talking about Everton values in relation to Unsworth and Koeman so whats the problem with another Everton man who the players seem to like and knows the values of the club.
Concentrate on the 11 you get to watch rather than trying to be a cheap journalist.
389 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:26:47
Having him, certainly in the interim, is a complete no brainer. He knows the club inside out, and to have anyone else come in at such short notice is ridiculous.
390 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:32:23
Doing a great job with the U18s
Maybe try him after Unsworth, then maybe Stubbs, Ebbrell or Jeffers.
Give them all a go.
Or maybe we should be a club with a bit of ambition.
If we dont get the right manager in soon, with the right tactics then we could be fighting relegation
391 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:47:09
I'm still hoping that Mosh is revisiting the idea of a Director of Football. Managers come and go - we can't afford them to be changing the team's identity every single time someone is appointed.
We need one plan. Let it evolve and let the manager provide input, but you come in to manage to a long term plan.
In that environment, I'd be out looking for the right manager but no problem right now with Unsworth doing the job. If he can get results, he can stay there.
The Walsh appointment was ridiculous. Call him what he is - head scout.
392 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:53:26
393 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:54:28
After so many false dawns fake prophets, and dud messiahs (or Moyesiahs) people are naturally wary of building up our hopes again only to fail once again.
I, for one, want Unsy to be a smash hit but I know it wont be easy for him unless he has great people around him and the support of all of us. Viva Unsy!!
394 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:57:19
When will Evertonians let go of the misty eyed past and become a modern football club?
I'm so bored of being plucky, stuffy old Everton with our romantic 'istory and byegone glories. I spoke to a group of Norwich fans in a pub the other night, and for a man they regarded us as a relic of years long since past. We're a footnote in football history, partly perpetuated by our very own support.
Sick to death of it here.
I hope Rhino does well, but history (don't we just love it?) tells us caretakers promoted from within go nowhere.
A LOT of posts on here could easily have been written by Kenwright himself.
395 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:00:14
396 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:04:49
397 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:09:50
398 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:16:44
I cant understand why Moshiri hasnt pushed him aside (or out) yet. Make him honorary president but without any say in how the club is run. I am really worried if hes in charge of finding the next manager.
399 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:17:49
Players are a bunch of sploit brats, if everything is going well there will be no complaints, but soon as they see an excuse they down tools. For me Unsworth is perfect for the job. A mate that's firm but fair (from the reports I hear) who wants success. The players will respond to this guy.
400 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:20:14
Some posters may be aware of the above article, but it captures the current situation at our club. Well worth a read, and some reflection, especially when the emotion of the last couple of days recede.
401 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:22:59
402 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:28:27
Everton need SOMEONE to prepare the team for a game on Wedesday. And Sunday. And next Thursday. And once again the following Sunday.
The obvious choice for that SOMEONE in a caretaker role is David Unsworth. EVERY club does it - promote someone from within the club after sacking the manager.
What true Evertonian in our current situation would not wish David Unsworth well?
It's a win-win situation for the club, IMO.
The necessary managerial change has been made.
We have a talented coach within our ranks who will know better than ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD right now the ability and potential of both senior and junior players who could step up and do a job for the first team in the situation we find ourselves in.
This side of the international break he has four difficult fixtures to negotiate. He will learn a lot about himself. We will learn a lot about him.
It may be an audition that works out. It may reinforce the belief of some that only a seasoned manager should be appointed.
Throwing around labels like 'small time mentality' over this still, as yet, temporary appointment is way too premature.
Let's see what David has to offer before binning him off completely.
403 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:33:08
404 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:35:56
Kenwright is guiding Moshiri because that's what Moshiri wants and it works well because everybody knows Kenwright isn't a billionaire. As if a top accountant hasn't chosen the strategy of how the club works. He''s got the first plan wrong now they all need to fix it.
405 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:48:22
All the other teams make do. Now, the point I was trying to make was not that we shouldnt have a better striker, but that we should be able to create chances given the players we have, and that we were unable to do so is the most damning aspect of Koemans game plans this season. There should be enough in the team, unbalanced as it is, to create chances, and DCL is a perfectly capable lad
I am not trying to say we shouldnt have a better striker. But that we could still win games with the players we have.
406 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:48:27
I think Unsworth has a good chance to get us a few wins and sort out the confidence issue with the current squad and reach a certain level. Who knows he may even surpass all expectations and be tactically astute, he may also be able to handle the pressure/mind games/media etc. Time will tell and it is the unknown at the moment.
Of course its not just about being an Evertonian to be given the top job it comes down to a lot more criteria than that. I hope everyone at the club does support him and share the expectations/workload however because its going to be one tough ride.
I then expect our Board to take their time and find the right man which will be a very difficult task. I just hope the next manager takes games to the so called "Elite" and does not except mediocre performances from talented professionals.
My pick would be Diego Simone who has now been at Athletico Madrid for around 7-8 years and could possibly fancy an new challenge by now? hopefully we show some ambition and at least approach him. He would demand success and would expect to compete and deliver titles not be happy/content with 6/7th place finishes.
407 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:48:46
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that Unsworth is the right man for the job as things stand - I'm just not totally on-board with the notion that it should be him long term, and that everything Everton has to always be entirely 'Everton'.
I want progress, not history and this devotion to everything always being in-house as a way of somehow reflecting how 'special' we are as a club.
Every fan has a 'special' bond with their football team, and it doesn't mean shit if you won things years ago. It's meaningless, and the fact that Unsworth 'gets' Everton is all well & good, but doesn't mean we're going to win anything or fix everything just because he's an Evertonian.
408 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:49:33
I wish Unsworth the absolute finest... Good times ahead!
409 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:52:09
410 Posted 25/10/2017 at 14:01:10
411 Posted 25/10/2017 at 14:15:28
412 Posted 25/10/2017 at 14:51:26
413 Posted 25/10/2017 at 14:53:19
Any manager , world class or not will not know our players. What they can do or not do ,in both the first and second team squads . Unsy will.
He will have a plan ( hopefully a cunning one)
He will know all the players and will have told them
what is expected. The players themselves will know
that they are under scrutiny and not just from the supporters. Was it them or the system ?
He has stepped up , as often happens when the manager is sacked. What was he supposed to say ?
" Sorry , I don't think I can do it. It's too much for me ." No. He has belief in himself and his ability.
Had he not stepped up who would be in charge ,
Jimmy the Kit Man ? (sorry Jim)
I think to-night we will see a different Everton, a team.
Maybe not firing smoothly on six cylinders but more of a team than a bunch of fellers who are having a kick round at Butlins' .
No more mention of Ronald. That's over.
Kites don't fly with yesterday's wind.
As for his ability, who knows ?
If you've been driving a Ford Fiesta quite well for a couple of years can't you handle a Merc. ?
We'll all have an inkling to-night.
414 Posted 25/10/2017 at 15:28:51
Immediately struck by his passion. None of this third person shit, something I disliked intensely about Rotten Ron. Instead he's saying things like "We want a winning manager, someone who knows this club and can win trophies because that's what we need."
Note the the word we. RK used to talk about the team as if he was an observer - which in hindsight he sort of was - which used to confuse me,. Of course this was explained away by English not being his first language.
It's a hell of a job he's got on. I think the squad is totally divided, and we're in deep shit. But the darkest hour is right before the dawn.And in Moshiri we finally have someone who will get rid when it's obvious we need to get rid. A daffodil in a dung pile I know. But what else have we got.
415 Posted 25/10/2017 at 15:43:32
416 Posted 25/10/2017 at 15:46:27
Can he get the best out of Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Keane et alia? Can he make this group of individuals into a team?
Forget the sentimental claptrap and think. He's not a young coach (late thirties), he's not an experienced manager who's done this before, so would we rather have him or someone like Wagner, Dyche, Howe or Hughton who have experience of making a silk purse out of a sow's ear?
Make an appointment based on logic, not sentimentality.
417 Posted 25/10/2017 at 16:12:16
Of course thats down, in part, to a change of management in mid season.
I think Unsworth regardless of credibility has a strong chance. Ancelotti and Tuchel are without roles so can be considered viable options.
The others are under contract and makes a smooth transition almost impossible. It rules many of the more likely runners out; Dyche & Silva.
The rest are the usual gamut of guess who regulars who appear when any vacancy arises.
So when you remove all the white noise I think realistically its between Tuchel and Unsworth. Media outlets are suggesting contact with the German and in part I think the axe was wielded knowing he maybe open to an approach.
Many say he was for taking Bayern, but Nagelsman is rumoured to have that agreed for next summer, hence Jupp Heynckes in the interim.
I just cant see another premier league club handing over their manager unless they resign. Or Everton giving Unsworth a contract until the seasons end.
I think despite my heart, its Tuchels to refuse.
418 Posted 25/10/2017 at 16:59:50
419 Posted 25/10/2017 at 18:05:49
Their banter lasts years as its really a good slur against us under their vile skin.
I remember me dad telling me my grandad (his in law) and his red mates took this the piss out of him when we got the NEC sponsor.
No european cup they said it meant.
I know now it sounds humourous and not so deep but at that time we were punished through no fault of our own.
I hated them all after that. Including the idiots my dad had to put up with at that family do.
Their vile crying spoilt bitches as a whole.
420 Posted 25/10/2017 at 22:27:13
422 Posted 27/10/2017 at 02:38:45
My hope is he gets us through the next few games whilst we find our next manager. My fear is he gets the job, fails as most do who are given this opportunity, and then we lose him and the great work he's doing with the kids.
From a business perspective, who in their right mind would give their multi-million pound investment/business to an inexperienced manager on a hope it might work? Kenwright would and that's why he's not a billionaire... would Apple give an iPhone user their top job because they like and know how to use the iPhone!
We need to search far and wide and get real with the view that we need a 3-year manager who spends well then moves on to allow the next one in.
We've moved on from having no money and allowing time to get it right. I have though, absolutely no idea who we should appoint... it's a worrying prospect with the names being bandied about.
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