Allardyce was the bookies' favourite at one time to succeed Ronald Koeman on a permanent basis and was reported to have spoken with Farhad Moshiri about the position — something he initially denied — but any offer for his services is believed to have involved a short-term contract.
The former England manager was on the radio again this morning to discuss his links with the Goodison Park hot-seat and he explained that he didn't feel as though the club wanted him badly enough.
"It never materialised as I thought it would, unfortunately," Allardyce told talkSPORT. "For me such a long time without a decision [meant] I had to make a decision myself.
"The decision was it was probably better it wasn't me, and I'd move on to something else. It would have been a fabulous job, but it just didn't feel right.
"I think when you're sat in my position you want people to be decisive and feel like they want you. I didn't get that feeling overall. They were hesitating that I was the man."
Everton have made overtures to Watford for their manager, Marco Silva, but have been told that no talks will be permitted with the Portuguese who has only been at Vicarage Road for a few months.
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1 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:08:30
Such a long time without a decision?
Said himself he wasn't contacted.
FFS delusions of grandeur!
2 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:17:42
3 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:18:48
Changing topic; I have just read the BBC's feature on Saido Mane as a potential African Footballer of the Year . . . . . . . A real anti Everton piece of journalism if ever I saw one! Un-fucking believable! Redshite supporters mouthing off about how much he enoys playing and scoring against Everton and how scared Everton are of him . . . . . . . . Thanks for the un-biased coverage BBC!
4 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:19:03
5 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:22:15
6 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:24:59
7 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:25:50
Looks like we didn't. So this week he's throwing a tantrum. It probably didn't help when he saw the proportion of Evertonians strongly opposed to having him anywhere near Goodison Park.
8 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:27:42
9 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:30:27
10 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:35:10
But I dont think we should think thats the last of it. Hes probably driving his price up if us or anyone else needs a rescue later.
11 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:35:57
12 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:37:23
13 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:38:01
14 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:39:44
15 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:40:32
Hes waiting for the Barca job I think .
16 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:50:19
He would have crawled over broken glass to get the Everton job.
17 Posted 15/11/2017 at 15:55:55
Jamie @ 5, how many times have I told you, don't beat about the bush, say what you mean? :-)
18 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:16:43
19 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:20:46
Wouldn't it be nice to hear an Everton player saying the same about that lot? That's the difference, the derby seems to mean more to them than us, that's why they're always up for it and we aren't. With a captain like Phil 'kissinger' Jagielka, it's no wonder. I'd have had Barton in just for those games, and gave them a bit of what they give us
20 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:25:31
21 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:31:44
22 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:43:51
Absolutely right. This man, a disgrace to the football world was desperate for our poisoned chalice.
He mouthed off about a relegation fight but it would of been massive for him to get such a big job. He wanted longer than we were prepared to give him. He wanted Everton to be his rehabilitation.
Sadly if we slip further into the mire his name will not go away, the price to deal with the Devil will just get higher.
23 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:44:54
24 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:48:32
25 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:54:20
No thanks, laughing spam fritter...
Oh and sort your wardrobe out for your next Boy's Own appearance on MotD with fellow wanker, Murphy, last time on there you looked like you were ready to go on the ale with Paddy Doherty.
26 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:54:55
I didnt really want him as our manager but I respect him for walking away when he was getting pissed around.
Contrast with ever so grateful Unsy.
De Silva for me, but now reading that Man U want him to replace Mourinho at the end of the season.
27 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:54:56
28 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:56:35
Its funny how a game can change everything. If we hadnt come back to beat Watford, would ‘them upstairs be in panic mode - and more likely to appoint Big Sam? If avoiding relegation is our only aim... hes probably the man for the job. Id like to think that Rhino will keep us out of trouble until a long term manager is found.
29 Posted 15/11/2017 at 16:58:54
Just as well we've got a suitably slim, tactically dazzling and honourable man ready to lead us onwards. Whoever that turns out to be. And whenever.
30 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:00:38
Mourinho is determined to win another CL, that would then leave him to be able to claim that he is the greatest of all time. Though he'd probably push for 4, so that he is clear of Bob Paisley. Mourinho will fancy his chances of doing that at Utd, particularly if Guardiola is true to form and burns himself out next season or the season after.
31 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:02:06
32 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:05:53
The media will concoct stories for obvious reasons. Everton would like to get it right this time having completely been misled by the Koeman resume'
They need a man who can connect with the dressing room not a strong-arm man who just makes a lot of noise.
33 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:16:33
We could end up in right Shit here the way this is going so I would keep the celebrations low key for the moment...Only at Everton could things go so wrong so quickly. Nice one, Bill.
34 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:16:34
35 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:19:14
Rant over but anger remains.
36 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:19:23
37 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:29:00
38 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:29:12
hello?? Is anyone listening to me?
39 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:30:59
40 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:33:43
A well run club would always have a contingency plan in place should something go wrong with the manager. It is as if no one can make a decision this can't be good for the players or the current coaches.
I read that both Sandro and Klassaan will be moved on in January, who sanctioned the purchase of these very average players? The club is becoming a joke.
41 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:36:29
We're not exactly dining at the top table eh? Though if we were, Sam would have been in like a shot until all the pies were gone.
42 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:37:17
What about QPR and Blackburn?? I'm totally lost !!!
43 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:40:31
Where did you read that about Klaassen and Sandro. How can it be true? We don't have a manager to make such decisions. Or maybe a new manager might want to keep them both... It's BS, mate.
44 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:41:54
Saw that BBC article but refused to click on it- those fuckers just love all things RS.
Watched the England v Brazil game on ITV and even there the commentator couldn't stop waffling on about Solanke and how he had won the worls Cup- no mention of our own DCL ,who actually scored a winning goal then to my astonishment Hoddle gives MOTM to .Gomez!!! Brazil had dominated the game and various members of their side had been creative and clever throughout, whist having roughly 75% of possession , and Hoddle gives it to an England player!
This from one of our most skilled and overlooked of his generation.
Back to the Big Sam non-story, why are people blaming the club/Kenwright for indecision? We didn't want him, there is no rush, and if we had got him, the same people would be slagging the board off for panicking etc, etc.
45 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:42:11
I have no evidence for this, but I am pretty sure that one way the hierarchy at Everton take the temperature of the fans is through ToffeeWeb.
When you have in excess of 6,000 people reacting to a poll on Allardyce (I know we are a self-selected sample) and responding in the way we did, people in authority listen.
And I know Bill reads at least one fan magazine. Years ago I saw him on a train reading the ESCLA fanzine, as well as a pile of press cuttings about us.
46 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:43:07
Never wanted him and not sure he was ever in the running but at the same time we could do a lot worse including severally toffee weber suggestions that include the overpaid and overrated British and Irish national coaches.
I think a new man needs a month to run the rule over our midfielders. We have a lot of expensive baggage.
Move them on in January and replace with better skilled and faster players mixed with giving youth a chance.
The rest (LB, CD, CF) we all know we need better.
I'll say it again, go get MANCINI
47 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:48:27
48 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:48:30
49 Posted 15/11/2017 at 17:58:26
" It would have been a fabulous job, but it just didn't feel right. I think when you're sat in my position you want people to be decisive and feel like they want you. I didn't get that feeling overall. They were hesitating that I was the man."
Nothing contradictory there, then.
Somebody sounds disappointed, though.
50 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:10:04
51 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:12:34
52 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:14:31
We've told him "Koeman's caused carnage at the club Sam and we'll take you somewhat begrudgingly until the end of the season just to ensure Koeman's hasn't terminally fucked up the club".
He's then clearly said "I'd really love to stay longer for what would be my best ever appointment" and we've said "no thanks, we want a proper manager not a Fat Firefighter!"
How does this make us look like a joke? I think they are managing the awful situation quite well and I'm chuffed the big dolloping galoot won't be getting paid a kings ransom.
53 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:24:48
We need a manager who can build a team and a style to be proud of. Not someone who will help us survive and then leave the team in an even worse situation.
54 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:29:27
55 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:37:38
56 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:38:34
God has taken his seat at Goodison Park.
57 Posted 15/11/2017 at 18:44:09
58 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:01:30
You "respect", Allardyce for walking away... Have you no sense of embarrassment? Because that post was a fucking beaut.
59 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:08:33
Thankfully,they will not be on show at Goodison Park though.
60 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:11:48
I think part of what big Sam said is true. The board can't make up their minds who they want. Any Manager talking to us is probably getting the same feeling.
What a joke! There should've been a manager in place before sacking Koeman. The so-called big six are not run this way. All my mates are laughing at us. Howard Kendall must be turning in his grave.
61 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:24:54
62 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:26:46
63 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:28:29
64 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:35:56
Unless the Board have someone else in mind for the rest of the season, it looks very much like Unsworth will take charge. If he's backed by Joe Royle then that might just work but I think the Board have slipped into this position by omission, not by choice. It doesn't look like they've anyone in mind, although none of us know there was supposed to be a short list of four.
I hope the club have thought out a strategy, other than "well, let's see what happens. This time above any other time, when we actually have the opportunity to bring in a respected manager and give him a fund for players, the possibility of getting dragged into the mire exists.
65 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:37:47
Interesting, I watched Dier have, well a dire game, he gave the ball away umpteen times, ran into trouble and appeared a bit overwhelmed, fair play, that can happen. The commentators said very little about this, it then occurred to me as to what would have been said if the player would have been Barkley instead of Dier! I think we know the answer!
66 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:40:51
Eddie I believe when Hoddle's asked to name a MotM it's from the England team, not actually the best player in the game.
67 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:45:10
68 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:45:58
69 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:49:48
But I will have to agree on his choice for MotM I think the kid was very good even if he is a RS.
Fat Sam!! Bullet dodged Matrix style ....
70 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:52:21
We are a shambles of club, before and after Moshiri's arrival.
There is simply no planning, thought process, or contigencies of any sort in place, every decision is a mish mash and all very blahzay.
Look back at the last 18 month even when Moshiri arrived at the club:
Sacking Martinez too far longer than he was eventually sacked.
Bar the signing of Gana, the proceeds from the Sale of Stones were wasted and we ended up being short of another couple of players including a decent backup for Lukaku.
The prolonged chase for Sigurdsson, who on earth in there right mind sanctioned the signing of three number 10 players.
The glaring fuckup of not bringing in atleast one if not two strikers
Nearly three weeks after sacking a manager no half decent manager really wants to come to this circus
This club keeps on making consistent and monumental fuckups
New managers and new players won't change a thing, solid changes have to be made at the top, once that materialises I am confident a good manager and players will be recruited, until then it would not surprise me one bit if we now go through a process of hiring and firing three or four more managers over the next six to seven years.
71 Posted 15/11/2017 at 19:53:37
Should the club have slagged him off quicker? Well, if that is what you want... have it. "Everton Shit on Fraudulent Manager Quickly" says some prat in press.
73 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:03:41
Kenwright will slope off like Richard the Third and you know who takes power. The puppet is Moshiri but the man pulling the strings? Unbelievable?
74 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:05:20
Your right. Simples.
75 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:05:39
76 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:06:48
77 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:10:48
I'd say continue to take your time whilst we have the safety net of David Unsworth to continue to take the reins. Let's not panic.
78 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:11:08
79 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:12:51
80 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:19:18
81 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:21:47
83 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:26:27
After scoring 30 goals in a season and winning the league, he made a single appearance at the world cup in the inconsequential 3rd and final group game (Scotland already being knocked out). Seems our players have never quite had the right agents.
84 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:36:20
Serious questions: If we went down, would Kenwright, once and for all, go?
And, would it be worth going down to get rid of him stinking the place out?
85 Posted 15/11/2017 at 20:51:14
Look at England right now. They had that kid from Liverpool, making his debut last night, when he hasnt even started a premier league game for them, and I was told today that Fowler had scored around 100 league goals, before he got his first full cap?
Been nothing in the news, but I was told today that Jurgen Klopp has had a heart attack? Dont know if there is any truth in this rumour, but I was told off one of my most horrible red friends, and as much as I fucking hate them, I hope the rumour is false.
If its not then I hope its not too serious, and Allerdyce can still manage a team from merseyside in the near future!
86 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:08:46
87 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:42:15
Contrast with ever so grateful Unsy."
Unsworth would be more worthy of respect if he walked out on Everton in their current time of need, then? Bizarre logic that.
As for Allardyce? Never in his wildest dreams would this flabby arsed arl anti-football fucker have seriously believed he was in with a chance of landing the Everton job, up until a couple of weeks ago, when the club was at it's weakest point and he sniffed a once in a lifetime opportunity to take advantage and wheedle his way in.
Instead of leaving it at that, whilst wondering what he ever did to get so lucky as to have even a faint glimmer of hope of grasping one last big gig, the self-fellating, ever greedy, ambulance chaser reveals his true colours by immediately looking to leverage himself a long-term contract, on top of a massive survival bonus and multiple jobs for his mates.
He's "walking away" purely and simply because his public 'what I would do' pitch and the campaign carried out by his media pals has been pissed all over by a majority of Everton fans and left a panicked board bricking it that they might have a mutiny on their hands if they were to bring him in for five months, never mind three years.
It's easy to 'walk away' when the only sound you hear in the lull after your loud banging on the door is a shitload of bolts, locks and chains clanging, followed by a terse cry of "twat" coming from the letterbox.
88 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:59:32
89 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:03:00
I don't expect Everton to win everything and top the league but to sink to set-piece football based on knock-ons and men behind the ball, with a man who has shown himself to be greedy and unethical, would have been my biggest Everton supporter's challenge yet.
90 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:09:51
91 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:13:30
92 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:15:48
93 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:28:18
At the very start of this managerial appointment process I declared my lack of interest in taking over the role. Not because of any doubts about my ability to carry out my duties capably, but because my application in 1977 was rejected. They missed their chance, and appointed Gordon Lee. I still have the letter the club sent me.
In that instance Everton were not indecisive, quite the opposite in fact, my “No thank you” letter arrived very promptly. But I can understand Sams chagrin, and it is heartening to know that he and I are kindred, honourable spirits, turning our backs on £6m a year. It just didnt feel right.
94 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:41:25
95 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:48:15
96 Posted 15/11/2017 at 23:11:32
More unhinged, "all is woe", half baked assertions that has become your calling card.
"We are a fucking joke and the laughing stock of English football. We must be the only club ever to be taken over by a Billionaire (alleged) and end up in a relegation battle. Then to top it all off we sack the so-called Dream Manager and no fucker wants the job apart from a rookie reserve-team coach. Even Fat Sam has now walked away."
Where to start with this belter...
The only laughing stock here is you. Off the top of my head, here are some clubs taken over by a billionaire to not only have been involved in a relegation battle but have been relegated...
Of course the last two were pointed out to you already and your reply was "What about them?! I'm lost!!!"
Your latest straw man is that Koeman was the "Dream Manager". Can you offer up one quote, either in the media or from some ToffeeWeb punter calling Koeman their dream manager? Just one.
Fat Sam has not "walked away" as you put it. He has pulled the classic face saving "I never fancied her anyway" after saying himself the club didn't want him.
You really do spout some shite, Tony. I often wish at times the editors hadn't invented you.
97 Posted 15/11/2017 at 23:13:25
Go and get Silva tomorrow. He is young and hungry to succeed. He has been my choice even when Koeman was in charge. He will show respect for the club and bring success. His teams are organised and play with pace.
98 Posted 15/11/2017 at 23:19:44
99 Posted 15/11/2017 at 23:28:10
100 Posted 15/11/2017 at 23:33:09
Not saying he's as good but this footballing snobbery is sickening. The footy fan logic, sheeple confirmation bias and Anichebes red boots strike again!
Would pulis play the long ball game if he got the barca job? Lol
101 Posted 15/11/2017 at 00:00:13
102 Posted 16/11/2017 at 00:10:28
I very much doubt it!
103 Posted 16/11/2017 at 00:24:54
104 Posted 16/11/2017 at 00:31:15
It seems that no 'big names' are going to come right now - if at all. If we're still hovering in and out of the bottom 3, aka, maintaining our point a game average in Jan. then the Club will have to eat humble pie and give fat sam his 3 or 4 and a half year deal.
I think the Club have accurately grasped the general fans feelings that we could only stomach FS in dire circumstances for a short time and are going a quid each way on Unsworth until June and see who is available then.
This further strengthens my belief that they had no real desire to sack Koeman prior to the Arsenal game and thus had no Plan B / Candidates even vaguely in place.
Another Everton SNAFU.
105 Posted 16/11/2017 at 00:31:20
I've just read that Steve Round says that Sam Allardyce would be perfect for Everton. We all know that guy really knows what he's talking about. Let's hope allardyce can convince Round to come back to us as well. I know he's director of football at Aston Villa, but maybe we can use some of that £10m for silva to buy Round out of his contract.
106 Posted 16/11/2017 at 02:58:27
Koeman had to go I don't doubt that but this poor back up plan has Kenwright written all over it.
Stick with Unsworth until the end of the season and close the doors; get us out of the media and focus on staying in the premiership.
107 Posted 16/11/2017 at 04:02:48
108 Posted 16/11/2017 at 04:21:35
Absolutely brilliant. Must have read that last paragraph a dozen times now, still got me chuckling. Thanks, man!
109 Posted 16/11/2017 at 05:37:37
110 Posted 16/11/2017 at 06:40:41
Theres even some who actually believe its the likes of them, yes them as fans, that because of their own personal hatred towards him, expressed on sites like this, caused Allardyce to decide he couldnt manage us. They think he was scared of the reaction of the fans. Self importance gone mad. Cant you remember the fan reaction pre England appointment?
Allardyce has one of the thickest skins out there, hes never given a shit about what people think, thats how hes been able to keep clubs up. He knows his own mind and has demonstrated time and again an ability to protect his players from media and fan pressure by not letting their reactions get to him. This confidence in his own ability creates a culture within a club and feeds assurance and calmness into his players whove reacted by performing better. Hes demonstrated this repeatedly. Its a great man management skill, his key strength.
The reality is hes shown hes not desperate, he isnt prepared to be left dangling and be the one we turn to because another manager turned us down. That decisiveness is one of his strengths, but to some he has absolutely no strengths. Some live in a binary world of good bad, black white, never any grey. Never a need to assess strengths and weaknesses objectively, never a need to make an informed decision.
On balance I also dont think Allardyce was the best man for the job. I set out why I think man management and motivation are one of his key skills, but I think his weaknesses are tactical awareness which leads to his direct style of play. This is a big issue for me and on balance, outweighs his man management skills. I think hed have got us a comfortable upper table finish, but he doesnt offer us the long term potential that we and Moshiri want.
But please, lets not kid ourselves that Allardyce bottled it because of a few posters on TW.
Ill put me tin hat on. Hey ho.
111 Posted 16/11/2017 at 06:50:22
112 Posted 16/11/2017 at 07:46:01
Well said, mate.. Allardyce would've done us just fine as a short term rescue option but. as you say, too proud to hang around waiting for the nod. As I said yesterday, if Unsworth messes up, which on the evidence so far he will do, and all the other names turn us down, where will that leave us??
The premature anti-Allardyce champagne-cork poppers will look very silly then. Ideally we would have no need for an Allardyce type manager but this situation we are in is quite unique in football. Next up it could be bottom 3, no manager, and no-one to take over... Wouldn't that just be typical Everton? Cue Joe Royle.
113 Posted 16/11/2017 at 07:57:35
114 Posted 16/11/2017 at 08:41:22
Thank god you two are not in charge of the club. Allardyce might have done a decent quick rescue job, but he wasn't in it for that. He wanted a long term lucrative contract and would probably have changed the entire backroom staff out. That's why any negotiation with him went tits!
Allardyce saw Everton as a massive pension payout and that clown Kenwright probably bought into it.
115 Posted 16/11/2017 at 08:50:35
When Koeman came here after much persuasion from Moshiri and if Moshiri convinces Silva to do the dirty on Watford why do you think this would be? Why are any of the worlds superstars plying there trade at a once mickey mouse yoyo club like Man City. Why did Everton FC even mention Simeone as a possible manager and what reason could we have to possibly convince Simeone to come here.?
Tell you what I will give you a little time to think about it...Ready?? It's money isn't it James.?? Money is God in football and it's all anyone is interested in.
Stop being so nieve mate..They all want their noses in the trough not just Allardyce..If they don't get their fill here they will get it elsewhere..
116 Posted 16/11/2017 at 09:04:04
Never mind city.
Surely we need to find of playing, like klopp has, that mourinhio has, that is mixed in style and that can challenge top sides.
What was evertons style in 85?
117 Posted 16/11/2017 at 09:05:37
They seemed to be somewhat hesitant to appoint me as manager and so I am removing myself from the race."
Twat and fantasist! Read his resume on Wikipedia. He's a rubbish manager amongst all the other stuff.
118 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:09:39
Patience IS needed, this so-called 'new era' won't reach its aims overnight, and mediocre (in terms of aiming for the best) managers like Allardyce are not realistic contenders. Not unless folks are content with Everton remaining mediocre, in which the likes of Allardyce would do just fine.
119 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:47:38
120 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:48:13
Not totally convinced about this, but better than some of the options that have been put forward. May be a good fit for Everton. After all, the three of them laid the foundations for Leicester's success.
121 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:55:03
A lot of fans seem indignant, to put in politely, that Allardyce has taken control of his situation and pulled out of the process, that's the bit I really don't get, why the indignation? They didn't want him, fair enough, so why now slag him off for turning us down? Rhetorical questions by the way.
122 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:05:35
123 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:18:03
It looks a distinct possibility that he's now saving face, which seems to fit with the existing impression of his arrogance. That's how he comes across to many folks, quite arrogant.
Of course, there are quite a few personalities in the game who seem arrogant. They might not be arrogant, but they seem it. He's one of them. His arrogance seems to exceed his abilities. That's all.
124 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:38:44
If any one is being indignant in this thread it is you, seemingly resentful of being pulled up by some for your post in 26. A post brimful of inverted warped logic.
Sam Allardyce is on record as stating the following:
* he was interested in the Everton job.
* he had not been contacted by Everton.
* that because Everton had not contacted him, he had taken the hint he wasn't seriously being considered and so withdrew his interest in the (semi-vacant) manager's post. Note: His interest.
Yet somehow you interpret these on record statements by the man in question himself and trumpet it as Sam "demonstrating one of his strengths. He wont take any shit off people including Moshiri, and hes decisive." At 110 you go further, claiming Sam has told Everton to "Fuck Off!"
You further imply Everton are messing him around. And more, you "respect him for walking away when he was getting pissed around" (when Everton have not even contacted Sam, according to the man himself). Weird.
Not content with that, you take a snide side swipe at a very good Evertonian and very good coach by adding "Contrast with ever so grateful Unsy." Implying David is a sycophantic obsequious Uriah Heep-like figure who has inveigled himself into the post of caretaker manager.
Your post @26 was nonsensical Andy. Your subsequent posts have hardly been much better.
125 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:39:18
126 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:45:05
Then I saw the text and thought "Thank fuck!!!"
Then I took the pic and text together and came to the conclusion that he will be appointed before the New Year... !!!! Back to "Noooooooooooooo!!!"
127 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:04:17
I believe he did meet Moshiri and he was told after those talks, not to disclose hed met with Moshiri, a confidentiality agreement, if you like. Allardyce obliged as he wanted to manage us.
You think he didnt and believe what Allardyce said last week. Thats your prerogative, I happen to disagree.
Neither of us will every know for certain whats gone on, unless Moshiri comes out and says that he did meet Allardyce. Probably unlikely. Mind you this has been going on for over 2 weeks now, so if weve only just approached Silva, what were we doing in the proceeding 2 weeks? Sharpening pencils, practising what they were going to say to Silva, or looking at another option first? I know where my money would be.
We make our own judgments in life...
Just because an option is different to yours doesnt make it nonsensical mate. Ive made a reasoned case, evidenced by journalists from the Times, Telegraph, Independent as well as the red tops. I know journos arent always reliable, but so many were stating the same thing independently I think it is probably true.
128 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:05:42
May joy be unconfined!
129 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:17:26
Where has anyone made such a claim?
Some, such as myself, have said the Everton board were sufficiently wary of the overwhelmingly negative response from Everton fans to take a couple of steps back, slowly pick up the pace, then turn and pelt it down the pavement like a pissed up tramp had offered to pull them off for a pound. No mention of 'brazen' Big Sam bricking it over breaking the ToffeeWeb record for 'number of times "odious" has been typed before their name'.
Although, if you do want to go down the route of declaring that thick skinned arl Sam would never, ever, give two shits what supporters of any club he was sniffing around would make of him, then why has Allardyce himself previously publicly admitted that he had his wife actively monitor social media so he could gauge the reaction of Sunderland fans to his appointment?
"Ah darnt gie a fook myself like Lynne, just thowt it would gie ya summat to do before you get the dinner on for me and t'lads".
130 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:26:39
Believe what you wish Andy. I make no claims, as you are attempting, to be 'in the know' about the inner workings of Everton FC, or concluding from such speculation that Sam told us to 'fuck off because we were pissing him around.'
It doesn't alter the legitimacy of what I consider your weird and warped thinking I and others called you on in your post @26.
131 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:29:09
“He's (Allardyce) "walking away" purely and simply because his public 'what I would do' pitch and the campaign carried out by his media pals has been pissed all over by a majority of Everton fans.”
Several subsequent posters agreed with the view he walked because of some fans' reaction to his possible appointment.
132 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:32:03
133 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:34:10
"...and left a panicked board bricking it that they might have a mutiny on their hands if they were to bring him in for five months, never mind three years".
No mention of Sam Allardyce being swayed by the opinion of Everton fans on here or anywhere else.
134 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:36:14
135 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:00:10
The full sentence:
“He's "walking away" purely and simply because his public 'what I would do' pitch and the campaign carried out by his media pals has been pissed all over by a majority of Everton fans and left a panicked board bricking it that they might have a mutiny on their hands if they were to bring him in for five months, never mind three years.”
I am going to sound like a schoolteacher now, but I can't think how else to point this out, so apologies in advance.
What, according to this sentence, is the cause of Allardyce walking away? Answer: ‘purely and simply' because the majority of Everton fans ‘pissed all over' Allardyce's media campaign to become our manager. The additional point made as referenced by the use of the word ‘and' (..fans and left..) is the implication that the Everton board panicked and thought they might have a mutiny on their hands if they appointed Allardyce on a long-term contract. So this sentence is asserting the reaction of the majority of Everton fans, a) caused Allardyce to walk away and b) also caused the Everton Board to panic and pull away.
136 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:08:03
"..in this world there's two kinds of people my friend - those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
I shall explain once more and hopefully it might sink in.
The use of quotation marks around "walking away" clearly indicates I don't think Allardyce is "walking away" from anything.
I certainly don't think he decided to "walk away" from the Everton job due to a deluge of angry words from Everton fans.
I do think the board have walked away from the idea of even a short-term appointment of the man, due to a combination of the negative outcry from the majority of Everton fans over the very notion, and his own vainglorious demands for more substantial tenure.
Which is why I said precisely that in my first post.
137 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:18:15
I stated the precise opposite. I wrote that ‘neither of us for certain will ever know what's gone on' and I made it clear I was expressing a personal judgement having considered the evidence that we all know about because it's in the public domain. I also wrote that it was ‘probably true' referencing journalists stating Allardyce met Moshiri, which is not exactly claiming to be in the know.
I happen to have a different opinion to yours and I explained how I had arrived at that opinion. I respect your opinion, but you seem to want to get emotive with me by stating my posts are ‘nonsensical' ‘weird' and ‘warped'. So be it.
I have a different opinion to you, deal with it.
138 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:31:03
Thank you for that.
139 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:35:33
140 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:44:01
I don't take everything in quotation marks as meaning the opposite to reality. I thought you were quoting what he'd actually said, as opposed to being sarcastic. Sarcasm is more difficult to spot in print!
I agree with your point that the reaction of the fans may have caused the Board to back away.
141 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:45:18
On the one hand, many folks say that we're not big enough to warrant really 'top' or 'elite' managers coming here, because we don't have the resources in terms of 'top' or 'elite' players. At the same time, it must be recognised that there are other managers who's standing and competence is not up to Everton's status.
Although the club is not 'top dog', it's standing is higher than Allardyce has experienced. We're somewhere between elite and mid-to-lower table, as evidenced by, say, our points average over the last decade.
Given this, and the ambitions already expressed by Moshiri to take us higher than our recent record, I for one find the idea of someone like Allardyce being here a ridiculous one. We're just not at his level, despite our current disarray. In this sense, it's not surprising he'd be interested in managing us, because it would be a big step up for him. So given what's been reported that he's no longer interested, my own reaction is, 'cheeky sod', 'who does he think he is, we're not Sunderland'.
I wouldn't call that indignation as such, just a recognition of Allardyce's apparent temerity to come out and say what he was reported as saying. Similar would apply to any other managers of lower level than commensurate with our standing, who might fancy the job and take a similar public position.
142 Posted 16/11/2017 at 14:16:13
If the answer to the first question is No, and it could be, I'd completely agree with you. If, on the other hand, it's Yes, and Moshiri gave Allardyce a strong impression (but not offering him the job) that we wanted him as manager, then I can understand Allardyce now saying what he's saying.
As I've previously posted and given my reasoning, I think it's more probable Moshiri did meet Allardyce. If that's the case, then what was said at such a meeting might shed light on Allardyce's remarks today.
I suggest that Allardyce might now be saying he's ruling himself out because he thought he was in with a real shout of the job but, as he's not heard anything further, he's got fed up and had a little dig by saying he's pulling out.
This is all theory; I'm not saying it's fact, but I do think it's a reasonable possibility.
143 Posted 16/11/2017 at 14:28:56
You seem to be easily confused by what different individual posters are actually saying to you, Andy.
I do not deny your right to express any opinion you wish to offer on these pages. I explicitly express your right to speculate as much as you wish, Andy.
I merely challenged your opening post @ 26 in this thread. Nothing you have subsequently written has convinced me it was anything other than ‘nonsensical' ‘weird' and ‘warped'.
As I stated, you claimed many in this thread were expressing 'indignation' at Big Sam. I opined that the only person displaying indignation was you because your post @ 26 was, and continues to be, challenged by others. Again, nothing you have subsequently written persuades me to think otherwise.
144 Posted 16/11/2017 at 14:55:22
I suppose I could end up with the never-ending maintenance job at Goodison once they read it, like.
145 Posted 16/11/2017 at 15:03:43
Deadly Dave has never done fuck-all in football but we kept him for 11 years. His stock is now so low, he has had to take a job at West Ham on an embarrassing 6-month contract just to get his foot in the ladder again. I didn't hear you or anyone else slagging Moyes off when his name was in the hat!!!
It appears all the Everton fanbase have these days to keep them happy is having a pop at Allardyce every day. I don't get it. According to everyone concerned, Fat Sam ain't coming and never was... Let's move on, shall we?
146 Posted 16/11/2017 at 15:36:58
I think you're being totally unfair on Moyes there.
Although he blotted his copybook with his outrageous behaviour at the time and after leaving us, he nevertheless took on a relegation-threatened team and transformed us to an average 5th or 6th place on a shoestring budget, regularly getting the better of mega-money Man City and, more often than not, finishing above Spurs and on occasions the RS.
I think he got fed up with not having the funds to break the "glass ceiling" and spat his dummy out for the last 2 seasons and therefore outstayed his welcome.
Also, over the number of games he managed Man Utd, he still has a better record than Van Gaal or Mourhino.
Anyway we need to worry about the future and who will be named the new manager by the weekend.... LOL!
147 Posted 16/11/2017 at 16:18:19
Thats only nonsensical if youre so blinkered you cant even contemplate the possibility that several highly experienced journalists writing for serious newspapers might actually be correct when they categorically stated that Moshiri met Allardyce 2 weeks ago and that we should ignore Allardyces denials.
If you think this assertion is weird or warped, you must
in my opinion, be naive and gullible. My turn to use emotive terms.
Of course maybe youre not naive and gullible, but instead just trying to undermine the credibility of someone who expresses a different opinion to you. Either way it does you no credit.
As for indignant comments, these are some of the ones I was referring to. Some fans appear angry and annoyed because they believe Allardyce is withdrawing from a process he was never in, which I disagree with as I think he probably did meet Moshiri. Nothing wrong with being indignant by the way, I just dont feel it was justified on this occasion. You do seem very defensive about the use of the word though for some reason.
“Don't fuckin' kid yerself man! You were never IN the running”
“Yeah, right, taken HIMSELF out of the running? Nice one, Big Sam!.. Grandiose BS from BS, then!!”
“Now do one you fat, horrible, lying, cheating rat.”
“Cheeky bastard! Takes "himself" Out of the running?”
“And now he spits the dummy because he hasn't got the job or been appointed with the urgency he expects from others.”
“They seemed to be somewhat hesitant to appoint me as manager and so I am removing myself from the race."
Twat and fantasist!”
148 Posted 16/11/2017 at 16:38:55
149 Posted 16/11/2017 at 16:41:16
150 Posted 16/11/2017 at 16:58:34
“Ive made a reasoned case evidenced by journalists from the Times, Telegraph, Independent as well as the red tops. I know journos arent always reliable, but so many were stating the same thing independently I think it is probably true.”
151 Posted 16/11/2017 at 17:40:24
152 Posted 16/11/2017 at 18:08:30
Dunno if you've ever played footy, but if you did and were ever coached or simply advised by anyone, one basic tenet you may have been taught was the following:
"When going in to challenge for the ball, keep your eye on the ball. Don't be bewitched by any fancy footwork, feints or stepovers."
You keep taking your eye of the ball when challenging me.
Let me spell it out for you again. I have no problem - none whatsoever - with any one holding a different view to my own on ANY subject.
Indeed, I can respect someone who presents a good counter view or, following an exchange of different opinions, acknowledges the validity of another's view.
The one who appears to resent alternative views is you.
I have told you once - twice - thrice! - and now a fourth time: it is your original post that I found weird, warped and nonsensical.
It is your own subsequent posts which expanded on your beliefs, which are far removed from your original post. I have not engaged with you on those posts.
Unlike you, I kept my eye on the ball I was tackling: your post @ 26.
Again, I have told you they are views you are fully entitled to hold. That you are at liberty to speculate and reach any conclusion you like on whatever you read, see or hear in the media.
I take issue with you on 2 things:
1) Your interpretation of events in your original post @ 26 that Sam declaring an end to his interest in the Everton job as evidence of his strengths, labelled by you as: "He doesn't take shit off anyone" and "decisiveness."
Not content with that, you say you "respect him for walking away as [Everton] were pissing him around" when there is absolutely zero evidence to support such a derisory claim against your own club.
And not content with THAT, you compound it even further with a disdainful remark about a man who has contributed, and continues to contribute, wonderful things to present day Everton.
I quote you verbatim: "Contrast [Sam] with ever so grateful Unsy."
As I wrote earlier, that reads as if you consider David is a sycophantic obsequious Uriah Heep-like figure who has inveigled himself into the post of caretaker manager.
I'll add 'obnoxious' to my earlier appraisal of weird, warped and nonsensical of your post @ 26.
2) Challenged on said post, you then turn on fellow TWers, basically calling them 'vain' for believing their opposition to Sam's appointment tipped the balance, or being 'indignant'...well, I'm not quite sure where or how...at Sam's 'no longer interested' declaration.
You've gone to the trouble of trawling through the thread and cherry-picking examples of said 'indignation.'
Wasn't a great harvest of examples to support your claims, was it Andy?
Keep your eye on the ball, Andy: I am disputing your claims in post 26 and questioning your labelling of fellow Blues as vain and indignant for responding as they have on this thread.
Are we done here now?
153 Posted 16/11/2017 at 18:44:15
155 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:13:25
I say this because that is what Villa supporters think about O'Neill as they look up from mediocrity in the Championship to where they used to be.
I'm sure our Midlands friends would no more want the Irishman to return than we would wish to be re-visited by Moyes but under the novice operator Moshiri, I fear we are now on the same slippery slope in spite of all the millions 'our saviour' is supposed to be lobbing in.
The days of Moyes's safety and seventh are long gone and we become much more focused on mere survival in the years to come.
156 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:22:09
I think you will find we finished safe in 7th last season without Moyes. If we get the right man in we could do the same again. Moyes has bombed out in his 3 jobs since he left us. Took Sunderland down to add to his grim reaper persona.
Deadly Dave is now reduced to lowering himself to an embarrassing 6 months contract at West Ham to try and salvage his terminal football career. Even with a 6 months term the owner of the Hammers is calling it a gamble... Moyes will take the Hammers to the brink or down mark my Words.
Yeah I sure miss Old Deadly Dave and his grim kipper around the place..
157 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:23:42
158 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:28:01
159 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:30:08
160 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:32:20
And he has had to play dogged football since because he has been asked to keep shite teams in the premiership. We would finish top 4-6 if he was given a chance, maybe not this season but after that yep
161 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:34:28
162 Posted 16/11/2017 at 20:15:19
164 Posted 16/11/2017 at 21:13:43
Devastated. Now if only his name was Allerdici
165 Posted 16/11/2017 at 22:02:59
Your an angry fucker and I bet you moaned just like me that we missed out on the treble in 85.
I very rarely write on here but love the debate, opinions and fireworks that go on within ToffeeWeb but if you can be arsed to troll back 7 or 8 years ago then Moyes had got a good bashing from me with his constant negative comments and his team being whipped by the big boys and I had had enough of him long ago. Furthermore in this endless list of poor managers linked to us Moyes would be behind big Sam, Neville and and anybody else in my eyes. Can't stand the man he voluntarily left the best job in football in my eyes so deserves to be what he is now. Washed up...
Right now we are on the biggest Helter Skelter in the clubs history and our emotions are going to change game to game. Outside of a victory at palace, the best result would be a solid nil all draw in getting back to basics.
166 Posted 17/11/2017 at 01:28:44
Many think Sam was and is deluded but not nearly as much as some of are fans. Think some need reminding we have a weak average at best squad and are fighting relegation, just as 1 game don't make Loftus Cheek a worldbeater neither does 1 home win against Watford.
Instead of going down the ex Evertonian route why not go for someone like Hoddle who had success when manageing and would definetely play in a way all of us would appreciate.
167 Posted 17/11/2017 at 01:51:05
168 Posted 17/11/2017 at 03:03:37
171 Posted 17/11/2017 at 10:13:27
172 Posted 17/11/2017 at 10:39:37
You say your comment that he's “spitting his dummy” was merely observational. It wasn't though was it, you didn't see him spit any dummy out. You used the expression as emotive language, not a literal observation. So what emotion were you feeling at the time? A bit of annoyance maybe, go on be honest ask yourself that question.
Something drove you to want to express your opinion in writing, what was the motivation?
178 Posted 17/11/2017 at 17:23:49
I know where your coming from and Moyes (as much as he was annoying after 5 years) was structured and precise with his managerial work.
The point you make about O'Neill would have happened whoever was Villa manager at the time. I have spoken many times for months now with friends on how we were in danger of "doing a Villa". I don't know how much freedom their managers have had but Lerner decided to sell the players O'Neill was building a better Villa with.
If Mike Walker had been their manager, he too would have lost several internationals due to Lerner's plans. They sold the team he built rather than add the 2 or 3 he needed to touch the top teams.
Very similar to us since Moshiri arrived. We had 4 great young players. Imagine Koeman had added Witsel, Depay and Koulibaly to the squad Moshiri first saw at Everton. Keep that going and you definitely are heading in the right direction.
179 Posted 17/11/2017 at 20:38:43
Give Unsie some time to actually bed in and I believe he will prove a lot of the doubters wrong.
180 Posted 17/11/2017 at 21:42:12
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