Sam Allardyce has insisted that he still wants to remain as Everton boss on a long-term basis as he moved to clarify his comments about expectation levels at his previous clubs compared to those at Goodison Park.
After initially having a positive impact with the Blues when he picked up from where interim boss David Unsworth left off in November by winning four of his first five games in all competitions, the 63-year-old has seen the club slip back into possible trouble at the wrong end of the Premier League table.
A run of seven defeats in the last 10 matches has led to mounting frustration among Everton supporters and, with it, has come speculation about Allardyce's future with the club.
“Of course,” Allardyce replied when asked if he still wanted to be at Everton next season. “There's tough times and there are times when you have to draw in, close the doors and stay focus on what you're trying to achieve.
“I think it's very disappointing for everybody, myself included, that we've slipped to where we have when we put ourselves in such a fantastic position in the early stages of me walking through the door.
“I've always said that I came out of retirement because there was a long-term plan at Everton, a long term aspect of going forward that I was excited about being a part of.
“Rather than it being short term, I want it to be a long-term appointment.
“I'm having talks with [Farhad Moshiri] but those talks are confidential, of course. We're in a difficult period at the moment but we've got to start on Saturday.
“It's my responsibility to get the team to play to a level that we know they can play and it's the players' responsibility to play their best and I think when they play their best we can give anybody a game.”
The manager was asked about his relationship with the fans in the wake of audible chants of criticism aimed his way from the travelling fans at Burnley last Saturday and boos at the final whistle as he and his team left the field at Turf Moor.
Allardyce didn't directly address the disgruntlement at his own performance but he did try to reset his comments from last Friday's press conference where he tried to compare the expectation levels at Goodison with those of two of his previous clubs, Newcastle and West Ham.
“Everybody's passionate, everybody has ambition and when they don't see the players playing to the level that they expect, they show their disapproval and rightly so.
“Every club's fans have a lot of passion and like I said at the time, the history of Everton is far greater than Newcastle and West Ham but every fan has great demands and when there are big crowds the demand is bigger.
“That's what it's all about and for me, Everton is completely different from Newcastle or West Ham but it was just a comparison. It wasn't anything other than that.
“The ambition at Everton is different to the ambition at Newcastle or West Ham but if you don't play as well as they expect you to, they show their disapproval. That's what you have to deal with as a manager on the basis that you have to turn things around and get everybody behind you.”
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1 Posted 08/03/2018 at 16:55:07
2 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:01:21
3 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:09:56
4 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:22:36
5 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:25:50
If our board back this guy to do his 18-month contract, I feel even darker days ahead for our club.
6 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:25:56
7 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:26:48
8 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:27:53
So what he's saying is: "I've got an 18-month contract and I'm not going anywhere unless it's paid off in full; then it's back to retirement".
He'll see the end of the season I suspect, then he's gone.
9 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:28:26
10 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:35:04
Yes, we have had the famous Nyarko fan, heard the odd abuse, but when the full away support vent their anger, you know something is seriously wrong.
11 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:44:59
12 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:46:15
13 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:46:52
If Sam stays, I don't know about the 96% but I for one won't bother with another match while he's here.
14 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:46:53
Get out and take your cronies including smirky Steve Walsh with you
15 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:54:27
16 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:55:07
17 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:59:15
The other 4% must be either reds, have a nasty eye stigmatism when clicking or go by the name S Alladyce Esq...
18 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:59:49
19 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:01:39
Last week's pre match conference where hippo head was yawning his hippo head off,then post match where hippo head was chewing his hippo head off was the last straw for me.
The clueless,believe his own hype charlatan, should of been kicked up the arse all the way down County Rd and told to do one.
I can't believe he is still here, one thing's for sure and that's our "unwashed sister smashing cousins" from over the park, would never of put up with this. Nil Satis fuck off.
20 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:04:57
22 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:10:24
"Allardyce Out !".
23 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:17:23
I am not going to repeat it. I just hope we get our wish for this rat not to be our manager much longer. Those who voted for Sam to stay, words fail me.
24 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:19:49
26 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:23:14
27 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:23:56
28 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:24:45
29 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:27:16
30 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:30:02
Our improved position in the table has been due to circumstance more than anything. Allardyce basically took advantage of a favorable run of fixtures upon his arrival, manufactured a couple of chickenshit draws against Liverpool and Chelsea and has produced a handful of wins that most people would regard as the absolute bare minimum (home fixtures against Huddersfield, Swansea, Crystal Palace, etc...). If you'd given him those opening nine fixtures that got Koeman the sack, it would have been an even bigger disaster with him in charge.
31 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:32:14
32 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:32:47
33 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:32:53
Probably be subjected to another Turdfest this weekend, obviously don't want to lose against Brighton, but if that's what it takes to get shut of him, I will reluctantly accept it.
Having said that, I watched the whole of the Brighton vs Arsenal match, and if we play anything like we have recently, I can see us getting turned over.
34 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:38:33
I was one of those who didnt want him here but having been appointed thought we should all get behind him until the end of the season but I am now of the view that he has not endeared himself to anybody especially the players so he needs to go asap.
35 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:41:11
And pigs might fly....
....trailing banners ideally
36 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:42:54
37 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:48:29
The club website lists a current opening for Laundry Assistant. The job responsibilities are as follows:
To wash and prepare all First Team and Academy kit. To wash and fresh up kitchen laundry on a daily basis.
To liaise with the First Team and Academy Kit Managers to ensure that deadlines for kit use are met.
To maintain a high standard of excellence in ensuring all laundry items are washed and made available for use when required.
To make sure all laundry equipment is kept clean and suitable for use.
To maintain information of all necessary resources and ensure the laundry is fully stocked with detergents.
To ensure the storage and use of chemicals conform to the Clubs COSHH policy.
To report any damage or faults of the laundry equipment to the Facilities Manager either directly or via the Facilities Team.
To sniff all the jockstraps and make sure they are clean.
Okay, so I made up that last one.
Actually, some of these qualifications may be a bit beyond him (especially "maintain a high standard of excellence"), but if we're going to be paying the fucker £100,000 per week anyway, we might as well get some clean kit out of it, instead of just sacking him and mailing checks. Besides, the fat lunker could carry more laundry per trip than most.
There's also a job opening in HR, but given his shit people skills that's probably not a good fit. I think bleach and borax is more his level.
38 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:50:19
With this manager and these players I wouldn't fancy are chances of escaping the drop. Sam has proven he is a shit manager and a lot of our players I think lack quality but – more so in a scrap to stay up – they certainly haven't shown any fight.
39 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:51:32
I am not surprised at our poor attacking play, but I did expect him to sort out our porous defence. I know he has been robbed of Baines and Coleman for some time and the club have to take the blame for not investing in another left-back but I did expect more fight in the side.
The fact that 3 managers have now failed with this squad speaks volumes. Sam may be at fault for his tactical set-ups, but often his team selections have looked good on paper but not worked out. I think the focus should also be on the players.
Sammy Lee, Craig Shakespeare, Big Dunc and Allardyce himself all out there on the training ground, and yet we seem to be playing like a team of strangers.
One win and we will be virtually safe and Sam will prepare for his long holiday in Dubai, but another reverse and the pitchforks will be out in force.
40 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:51:55
He's got us all doing it.
41 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:54:44
Sam Allardyce – the man who thinks his middle name is 'fucking'
42 Posted 08/03/2018 at 18:56:03
"I'm having talks with [Farhad Moshiri]...' Note to Lyndon: your parentheses is accurate, he is definitely speaking with Moshiri only? If so, I find this revealing. This is not some 'good mate of mine said', 'or someone I trust said' sad fluff. It's from the horse's mouth. Kenwright matters less and less with each passing day.
And, a little smile at Sam's grasping efforts to ingratiate: 'Every club's fans have a lot of passion and like I said at the time, the history of Everton is far greater than Newcastle and West Ham.'
He's right though!
43 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:01:56
If he's with us at the start of next season I will never watch Everton again. 57 years I have been a Blue but I will turn my back for good if this fabulous football club keeps the arrogant fraud in place.
44 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:04:35
45 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:05:35
46 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:06:24
He bothered his ass to find out and talk up Everton's history. Allardyce is so transparently not bought in to anything other than receiving a pay check, that he's hasn't even done that.
Even know when he should be trying to save his job, he doesn't care enough to offer anything more than generic platitudes. I'd make him see out the remainder of his contract as penance.
47 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:14:15
What we can all predict if we sack him in August, then get a new guy in by about the first game, and do not manage to recruit good players, or motivate the existing players, connected to uncertainty, bad start to the season etc.
Go on, Everton – prove us wrong and get shot asap!
48 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:14:44
and this was long before he became part of our club.
49 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:18:57
50 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:20:30
51 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:22:18
Why does he mention his meeting with Farhad Moshiri and that it shall remain confidential? We did not need to know this but he has cunningly and cleverly told everyone.
Who knows... he maybe gone before the end of the season – especially if we do not get 3 points against Brighton.
52 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:26:38
A wind-up merchant – that's all he is – get him out asap, please!
53 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:37:52
1) Will we play attacking football and not sit back and hope for a breakaway or lucky goal?
2) Will we try to win every game, no matter who we play, instead of going out to defend and then hoping we score first and can hang on?
3) Will we play the modern football which is all about speed, energy and directness, and not long balls booted up field and then hope for the best?
4) Will we feel proud that our team has played with skill and given everything and had enough chances to win games even if we get beat?
5) Will he put the emphasis on youth and try to bring young players through?
I know it's important that we stay in the Premier League for the money it brings but I am sick of other people's perceptions of our team that we once were a big team and now we turn up just hoping not to get beaten.
Nil satis nisi optimum – Nothing but the best
If you can make us proud you will get the support and the job.
54 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:39:37
We can't expect Allardyce to say anything other than the fact he's wanting to stay longer but, let's not forget, it was down to an act of desperation from Farhad Moshiri that he was brought in and it certainly wasn't Allardyce that gave himself £6 million a year on an 18-month contract, that's down to Moshiri I'm afraid.
The players need to take a long long hard look at themselves too because they have been poor and under-performing for several managers now and they don't come anywhere near close enough to showing the desired work ethic and passion to warrant playing for Everton Football Club, in my opinion.
You play for Everton then you shouldn't need a man on the sidelines motivating you – motivation should be every time you set foot on that grass you bust a gut and work for the team, every man in that Blue shirt should... but they don't!!
56 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:43:20
Allardyce will undoubtedly bring shite footy next season like he has everywhere he's been. Who will join us if he's here? Who will join us if Walsh is here as well? A total clear-out is needed and a fresh approach taken to recruitment and transfers or this ‘project' will fall at the first hurdle.
57 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:44:52
But, fuck me, I don't ever think I've seen us play as badly as we do now. I think those talks with Moshiri are positive (from 96% of TW's perspective!)
58 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:45:55
Allardyce makes it impossible to support him. He comes across as arrogant, obnoxious, and pig-headed. If results were going our way then those traits would be forgivable, but they're not. We're very poor and he's full of shit. What's there to admire, respect or like about the guy?
Obviously there are 5% of us that have seen something. Can one of those be brave enough to post what it is that they see?
59 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:53:44
If Sam had done a decent job, talked sense instead of bollocks and evolved his ways a bit, he might have earned himself an extension.As it is it's like he's just screwing us over because he didn't get his way originally.
60 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:58:51
Sometimes the disappointments as a Blue are so obvious. The games being thrown away because we can't keep the ball, the inevitable derby defeats, the signings that look good at lesser clubs but awful for us, the manager with a promising start that falters when teams work his “style” out.
The only thing keeping me interested is Bramley-Moore and I have doubts about that. Why do we do this eh? It isn't for the glory!
61 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:02:19
If Allardyce wants to be manager next season, results and performances, so far, don't justify his long-term future.
62 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:13:48
Moshiri could have walked away when Allardyce gave him ultimatums, just as he did when Watford played hardball over Marco Silva.
You can't blame Allardyce for fleecing the club knowing the money that's there nowadays; he's a crook, yes... but Moshiri went down that path, didn't he?
As I say, removing Allardyce removes one small segment of a bigger problem that's been long rotting at Everton; for me, that's the players' attitudes.
63 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:16:26
I suggest that when the majority is 96% the democratic process is delivering a clear and incontrovertible message. Allardyce you must go. Your feelings or ideas have been totally rejected. Go with a modicum of honour.
64 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:20:36
65 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:23:24
Unfortunately, my chants from Australia are not heard by those in charge but the match going crowd have the power to make it abundantly clear that 96% of us think he needs turfing out!
66 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:25:50
I forget the detail amid the despondency.
67 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:55:41
When that got nowhere, we went back to Sam and the crafty crappie turned the screw 8 months became 18 months. And all because, like many on here, Moshiri panicked.
68 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:00:45
69 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:04:07
If it goes tits up Saturday, the abuse will be defeating. The only team talk the Brighton manager needs to give on Saturday is "Go for the throat early doors and get an early goal".
70 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:06:19
71 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:24:08
Sam was brought in to save us from relegation? If he achieved that. Does he deserve a full pre-season? Probably harsh but have we been shite on and off for 20+ years? Can a manager have one year left on his contract, get the best out of his players? Do we put Sam as Director of Football and put a young manager/coach in charge?
Whatever happens next season, there is a job to do now. Questions over the manager's future are for a later day. Focus on the now!
72 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:29:14
"I know that in a democratic situation the wrong choice can be made, Brexit being the prime and obvious example."
It wasn't the wrong choice.
73 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:32:32
Don't mess, Ian.
74 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:41:58
What exactly would make him a good DoF?
His impeccable people skills?
The great players he's capable of bringing to the club?
Or his tactical nous?
No none of the above. No... just NO!!
75 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:49:42
Another useless leech who has attached himself and his cronies to the club, and all should be dismissed as soon as possible.
76 Posted 08/03/2018 at 21:50:44
Neither of these is going to happen though. A bit like your continued management of EFC.
77 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:10:40
78 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:11:41
79 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:13:02
Step up Arteta, Cahill with Wenger behind them and David Dein as CEO. Now, IMHO that would be a big message of intent.
80 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:14:35
81 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:27:23
Ian should've maybe thought about suggesting gigantic head as DoF before he posted it?
82 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:40:12
83 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:46:49
84 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:54:42
85 Posted 08/03/2018 at 22:59:24
86 Posted 08/03/2018 at 23:01:58
The initial negotiation of the contract was 18 months and Allardyce did everything he could to make sure that he got 18 months so that he had the insurance of breach-of-contract payments. He also negotiated a review of contract extension before the end of the first season.
This puts Moshiri in the situation of either a big payout to end the contract, or extend the contract for another two years. Big Sam can't lose, even though Everton are losing. This shows you the despicable character he is.
He bluffed Moshiri he could turn the team around using the players that had been bought in. By having them on his side, some of them mercenary types like him myself. Rooney allowed to develop his future pundit career, other get to play.
He then off-loaded Martinez signing and the youth squad, leaving some isolated on loan.This was to deliver the squad reduction costs he also had promised Moshiri. Again to extend his wage payments as far as he could.
This explains his whole defensive strategy and negative saving some isolated on loan. This was to deliver the squad reduction costs he also had promised Moshiri. Again, to extend his wage payments as far as he could.
This explains his whole defensive strategy and negative substitutions. He is not interested in developing Everton on the playing side, but to accumulate survival points. Good technical team player not required. Tosun bought to appease Moshiri and the Fans. Needs Niasse who doesn't need tactical support play.
He now talks about players plans for next season, long team strategy and longer term contracts to quieten any resistance and put pressure on Moshiri.
Allardyce does not give two fucks about Everton Football Club and has the support of the Director of Football, most of the first team squad who are of a similar disposition.
Allardyce's sole purpose is to keep the gravy train running and If Everton are damaged, so be it.
87 Posted 08/03/2018 at 23:02:22
Regarding the polls. I think you're only getting half the story there. People argued we didn't need to get a new left back because we didn't know Baines would be out for so long. We didn't know Galloway would be on loan, we didn't know Garbutt would be unregistered, we didn't know Martina was the alternative.
With Lukaku, some of us assumed that bagging £80M would mean we'd go after a ready-made replacement instead of three Number 10's and a youngster from Spain.
I think in future we should add a caveat to every poll. Basically remember that, whichever way you vote, EFC will find a way to screw it up.
88 Posted 08/03/2018 at 23:08:18
89 Posted 08/03/2018 at 23:13:44
I feel dirty every day this creature continues to be employed by this club.
There's something just wrong with this. This isn't Everton. Say what you will about Martinez, but he's a seemingly classy guy polite, presents himself well, etc. Moyes did too, in his more "People's Club" down-to-earth way (except when he went Johnny Big Britches when he left, but you get the drift).
Koeman came for? Money! Big Sam came as the heroin-shot quick fix.
We need the next managerial appointment to be perfect. And we need it done quickly because this guy needs to be shown the door pronto.
I'm sick of feeling dirty too, Seb!
90 Posted 08/03/2018 at 23:33:37
That's good enough for me... and promising if Kev is saying that.
I mean, what else can Big Sam say? If he intimates he'll be off, it will ruin any slender hope he has to continue and make the players down even more of their tools.
No, he will probably get a juicy bonus or pay-off for staying in the Premier League and that is that. For me, he's been a cynical and grubby character for a long time but, to be fair, the nature of this league made him more so. He got spat out by Newcastle and unfairly fired by Blackburn. Subsequently he's treated clubs with the same contempt they did him and charged them a fortune.
When you bring a man like this into your club, it won't be on your terms. We blinked and basically surrendered any pride or entertainment for the remainder of the season. He's a mercenary and our board wanted a gun for hire.
Shame the gun rarely shoots.
91 Posted 08/03/2018 at 23:37:57
If he says Allardyce will be gone by May, the gun will definitely shoot.
92 Posted 08/03/2018 at 23:51:10
I only hope that is what they are and Moshiri is lining us up with the next Pochettino as we speak.
93 Posted 08/03/2018 at 00:04:26
Happy to wait until he no longer has anything to do with our club.
94 Posted 08/03/2018 at 00:06:41
I can see the next ToffeeWeb poll right now...
How would you like Sam Allardyce removed from Everton FC?
1) Carey cab style
3) Quietly abducted during the night to be taken to a safe house
4) Head hunted by the RS
95 Posted 09/03/2018 at 00:16:28
I have been touting Wenger as DOF and Dein as CEO for months with the initial remit of finding a new manager but it didn't seem to garner much support on here.
Another possibility would be to reunite Emry and Monchi. I just hope Kenwright and Walsh aren't allowed to influence the next decision.
96 Posted 09/03/2018 at 00:28:31
Both Dein and Wenger are dyed-in-the-wool Gunners. They won't come to us and are both too old now. It's a fantasy idea, a bit like buying across a scout from the shock Premier League Champions to be your Director of Football...
Emery is an often quoted name but what strikes me is how well he's done in Spain but the PSG gig is one that guarantees the league yet he's not progressed in the Champions League. But his work with Seville was excellent.
Not that we'd get him...
97 Posted 09/03/2018 at 00:34:32
Never has such a formulae and statement ever been more real than at EFC this season.Tripe and more tripe?
The club this season has lost its identity and path in life.
Hope... for next season?
98 Posted 09/03/2018 at 01:00:57
If 'Big' Sam (or anyone else) could put a side together, that could get past the mental frailty that has infected us for more seasons than I care to remember, I wouldn't give a shite if he dropped his trackie bottoms and knocked one out after every goal.
Pig-ignorant, covered in gravy, Slovenian?
What's important is finding someone who, as a manager, has... the right stuff.
Someone who can squeeze every ounce of energy and desire out of every player.
Someone who can make them gel together as a real unit.
Someone who can find players who can pass a ball and keep a ball under pressure.
Someone who can find players with real pace and real strength.
Players with brains (nb: we've been as dumb as fuck for years ALWAYS the wrong, ball).
We need someone who can convince players to press the opposition and have a bit of nerve.
If we could find that manager, he could be the most hideous, odious, classless piece of shite ever to stand in a 'technical area', I'd happily applaud him.
When Koeman arrived I said (on TW) I was fine with the appointment...as long as he has a plan that has a chance of succeeding.
He didn't; neither, it appears, does this feller.
So, once again, we exist in a shite football limbo until it's déjà vu all over again.
And meanwhile the years are passing at what feels like a rate of knots.
By the way, just so I don't sound like an entitled Arsenal-style supporter, I've long since given up on the idea of titles and Champions League, but I'm fucked if I'm going to give up on the idea of a watching a half-decent Everton side with a bit of spine to it.
So I'll take any manager who'll get behind that (rant) as a philosophy.
Up the (sigh) Toffees!
99 Posted 09/03/2018 at 01:42:18
100 Posted 09/03/2018 at 02:31:29
Keith Harrison was about to send out search parties. Tracking dogs and everything.
101 Posted 09/03/2018 at 02:43:13
102 Posted 09/03/2018 at 03:28:06
It would be a good step forward.
103 Posted 09/03/2018 at 04:15:26
104 Posted 09/03/2018 at 04:25:44
105 Posted 09/03/2018 at 04:37:19
If he suddenly managed to change how we are doing, finish on a proper 'high' etc.. Can't see it, but the ball's in his court right now, no?
106 Posted 09/03/2018 at 05:38:23
Everybody on here would be happy to change their mind. Nobody wants to see the club sink slowly towards oblivion playing shite football under a succession of managers.
The best solution all round would be for Sam to do a complete U-turn. Stop players putting all their energy into spoiling the other teams plan. Create some movement and options to dispel the myth that these players can't pass a ball Pirlo couldn't pass in a team as static as this one.
If Sam was to mould this squad into a snarling aggressive attacking unit, which feared nobody, we'd all change our minds.
It's not going to happen though, mate. We knew it as far back as when we used to mock other clubs for employing him.
107 Posted 09/03/2018 at 08:15:32
And Allardyce gone.
109 Posted 09/03/2018 at 08:21:34
110 Posted 09/03/2018 at 09:06:54
Now you are back, Eugene, stay here.
111 Posted 09/03/2018 at 09:33:34
And please instead of splurging money on average prima donna footballers who contribute nothing, let us go out and get a manager who has actually won something, no just maybes like Silva, Howes, Dyche...
We should be making Simeone, Conte, Pelligrini offers of £15+million a season. We can blow that much on Klaassen, Scheneiderlin etc why not secure a manager who has lifted at least one trophy and let's see what happens...
Sorry for that... I will get my coat.
112 Posted 09/03/2018 at 09:42:58
113 Posted 09/03/2018 at 11:12:32
114 Posted 09/03/2018 at 11:13:31
I just wanted to add, that it really doesn't matter which players he puts out there. The fact of the matter is, that Allardyce's tactics and no doubt, preparation team talks, game after game, are sending a message, loud and clear to every player. "You are not good enough to win this, so let's just try not to lose."
I know the players are paid obscene amounts of money and should be professional, but in terms of life, they are still young men and human. They must all be completely demoralised by the negativity Allardyce brings.
The wins he is claiming credit for were, in my opinion, down to the hard work, discipline and passion, that Unsworth brought to the table. And as that slowly disappears into the ether, it has been replaced by negativity which has, ultimately brought down & stripped every player of their confidence. Even the more resilient players have been affected. Hence, our team, whichever players are put out, are not equal to the sum of its parts.
So, our results are not based on which team he selects. They are based on just how badly our opposition play that day. That won't change until the master of negativity is removed from our precious, unique, People's Club.
116 Posted 09/03/2018 at 15:13:55
When he says things like, "I need to win more football matches" I wanna tall him that it's not all about him! And likewise, when he absolves himself of blame when we lose (like saying we only lost at Watford because Michael Keane missed a header, or at Burnley because Sigurdsson missed a chance), I wanna tell him that he is part of these defeats as well – a big part, as he is in charge!
In addition to the results, I don't think the fans have warmed to him – and that is where he has failed this audition for me. If he had got half decent results and got the fan base onside, he would have had more chance of being our manager long term. His failure to do this means he will have to move on in the summer, as the fans don't want him...
117 Posted 09/03/2018 at 15:40:39
Add to that his defensive/negative disposition then my conclusion is that the real culprits in all this are the board. Once again they've demonstrated they don't have a vision going forward, nor do they have any idea on how to run a football club.
Sam, being brought in to stave off relegation was a desperate measure forced on the club by its many previous bad appointments and decisions.
Sadly we need a clear out across the board before we get anywhere near a successful football team.
From Until Win%
Blackpool 1994 1996 43.14
Bolton Wanderers 1999 2007 41.24
Crystal Palace 2016 2017 40.00
Notts County 1997 1999 38.62
West Ham United 2011 2015 37.57
Blackburn Rovers 2008 2010 35.56
Newcastle United 2007 2008 33.33
Sunderland 2015 2017 29.03
118 Posted 09/03/2018 at 15:43:02
119 Posted 09/03/2018 at 15:51:07
120 Posted 09/03/2018 at 16:10:10
In addition to?
I guarantee you 'warming to' a (our!) manager is 99.9% results based.
It's the nature of football supporters that with a winning manager, every manager personality defect can (and will be) excused.
A winning manager could spend his Sunday's molesting Swans in Sefton Park and we'd be saying "he's not killing them for fuck's sake, just rubbing their arses a bit, I've heard they love it.." etc.
Conversely, a losing manager could spend all his free time handing out state of the art crutches to cripples* (* shows age) and he'd be the biggest gobshite in christendom ("fuckin' goody-two shoes, thinks he's Mother Theresa...")
Harry Catterick, though certainly not loved, is definitely respected and well thought of by Evertonians.
Given he sounded like a right miserable twat and could be devious (nb: that was the players opinion) I'd suggest this respect is purely down to him producing a winning side (and would be outright hatred had he never won a carrot for us).
Right now, I'd warm to Pol Pot if he had a half decent plan and the power to motivate players who (obviously) lack the required motivation.
By the way, what managers say after defeats, irritates us not because it's anymore or less stupid than what they say after a win, we're just in a much better mood after a win.
121 Posted 09/03/2018 at 16:11:07
When this scandalous season draws to a close, hopefully, with our Premier League place secured for next season, there are many questions to be answered by each and every person associated with the football side of the club.
If Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone have not been responsible for the gross mis-management of the club in the last couple of years, then it surely follows that Moshiri has made some elementary blunders at no little cost to the club. The money spent by the club in recent times, may not be recouped very quickly and it may need the club to be more circumspect when offering contracts and assessing the value of players in the future. Eventually over time that can be overcome, but the damage done to the club, both on the pitch and off it, is at this time unquantifiable.
Many fans that I know personally are losing the faith, not solely because they don't like the manager, but because they are finding it very difficult to like what the club has become or perhaps they are waking up to the fact that, even with money, the club has become complety unfit for purpose as a footballing institution that one day can repeat the triumphs of its glorious past and maybe the Moyes years masked the deeper rooted issues that have beset the club for longer than most of us care to remember.
Whatever happens in the remainder of this season, this viscous circle of underachievement cannot be allowed to continue, there has to be a root-and-branch examination of what the real issues are that have undermined the club's progress in recent years and those who are not adding value to the project should be removed and replaced.
Obviously keeping Big Sam for any amount of time, past the final whistle at the home of West Ham United, would signal that the club has no ambition and that it has sacrificed it's principles to remain on board the Mediocre Express.
If this season doesn't draw a line in the sand for the club and its guardians then I don't know what will.
122 Posted 09/03/2018 at 16:25:17
Just go, Sam.
You're like a drunk chatting up the barmaid at closing time. Take the hint and just leave quietly without making a fuss. You're only making a fool of yourself.
123 Posted 09/03/2018 at 16:38:21
124 Posted 09/03/2018 at 17:24:05
But seriously, I'd contest your winning = popularity formula by pointing out that even winning managers get harsh criticism from the fans if the side isn't playing with the style desired.
Valverde is actually hearing it now because Barca (undefeated in its last 43 in all competitions) is considered too "industrious" by supporters who want more of the old flair.
125 Posted 09/03/2018 at 17:28:28
A man works for a living - a LOT in my case.
TW is that "relaxing thing" on a Friday lunch, late evening, weekend type of schedule. So time goes by and you check posts.
It's nice to know my half-a-dozen or so rosaries said for the presumably dead Eugene Ruane actually worked.
Knock and it shall be opened to you.
Couldn't agree more, Eugene I said the same about Koeman and playing style the beginning of the year. I don't give a fiddler's fart how we play, I just want to win.
In true Trump American fashion, I've done a 180. I'm over it all. I want a man who runs our team I can be proud of, I want to play pretty stuff, and I want to win.
Fuck it, it's so bad right now why not ask to lasso the moon?
126 Posted 09/03/2018 at 17:34:01
David Moyes delivered a side which achieved greater than the sum of its parts. This is the complete opposite. Tough conversations required with each player if this hasn't happened already.
I can't imagine Sam minces his words, however. Start playing younger blood and drop the prima donnas. Only way I can see. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
127 Posted 09/03/2018 at 17:39:47
He wouldn't have been my choice but results are no worse than Koeman achieved he who blew the transfer kitty on shite or under Unsworth.
We all want to progress and get better but it wont happen with that squad of players regardless of how many times, we change the manager.
128 Posted 09/03/2018 at 18:31:43
I'd have left it at that. Allardyce or no Allardyce..
129 Posted 09/03/2018 at 18:58:24
He didn't; neither, it appears, does this feller"
That's not fair at all, Eugene.
One thing Allardyce can't be accused of is not having an efficacious plan to cure Everton's ills. So confident was Sam in his scheme for sure-fire success, he chose to reveal it on Sky before he had even got round to cramming his 'cunning' arse into the hot seat.
● Keep clean sheets.
● Don't lose possession in your own half.
● Play the first pass forward.
● Win knock downs and transitions.
● Capitalise on set-pieces.
● Exploit the opposition's weaknesses.
● Produce quality in the final third.
Fair enough, as well thought out, intricately thorough, foolproof 'plans' go, it was kind of like someone coming up with an international counter terrorism strategy consisting of the following steps:
● Break Murdoch out of the mental hospital.
● Drug BA's Dandelion & Burdock.
● Find a plane with plenty of fuel.
● Have Face flirt with a bird with Farah Fawcett hair.
● Get locked in a portaloo...on purpose.
● Construct a flatulence powered flame tank out of said portable crapper in a couple of minutes flat.
● Fuck terrorists up using non-lethal methods.
● Give each other the thumbs up.
● Smoke shitloads of cigars.
Still, better than a shrug of the shoulders, I suppose.
130 Posted 09/03/2018 at 19:40:26
Sam Allardyce as Hannibal is inspired and the 'swan molester' line have made my day.
131 Posted 09/03/2018 at 20:40:31
I cant really understand what he has done better than what Unsworth would have done.
132 Posted 09/03/2018 at 20:42:34
Whether 'Moshiri the Messer' takes counsel from the likes of Walsh and Jim White or just does the bidding of his old Russian boss, the Arsenal 'would-be', he should never have risked his wad on football because he has no feel for it, it seems. And anyone who throws money at Kenwright must 'have a loose one' and lacking in any bullshit antennae whatsoever.
They are still saying the Venkys fucked up. But not this much !
133 Posted 09/03/2018 at 20:59:54
It's not even acrimonious, it's pathetic, standard Kenwright drama.
134 Posted 09/03/2018 at 21:14:34
135 Posted 09/03/2018 at 22:20:37
The board made a balls up not having a manager in place when Koeman was sacked. Sadly by the time Unsworth tenure was coming to an end panic set in. Who is more qualified to save a club on the slide? Why should Sam take an 8-month contract? If he gets a payout for sacking him and keeps us in the league then so be it. He deserves that as a bonus payment. That's business and in the business world bonus payments are given for success and meeting targets.
Staying in the league is more important now than any other time in our history. Transfer fees and salaries paid out could signal the end in the Championship. Some fans think the players are not playing for the manager. Why? Play for your wage, fans, and the club. It's unprofessional to not give a 100%. If you are and still not performing, then simply your not good enough for Everton Football Club.
Everton is not a quick fix and it can't all lay at this manager's door. If he goes in May, we start again. We are getting good at fresh starts.
137 Posted 09/03/2018 at 22:52:47
You were doing okay until you typed your first sentence.
138 Posted 09/03/2018 at 23:50:27
I'll concede to your point only when we are undefeated in 43 and complaining because we're too industrious.
John (#129) Funnily enough, had we been able to guarantee 'don't lose possession in your own half', a lot of the rest of the plan may have fallen into place.
(re the A-Team plan, I was going to say "what if no-one could provide the flatulence?" but BA and planes hell-OH!)
139 Posted 09/03/2018 at 00:05:13
I don't think those early results had much of a positive impact on the community's overall view of The Bulbous One.
140 Posted 10/03/2018 at 02:04:49
If it's to be the same muppet that sacked Koeman without a prepared, available successor, we're in the shit.
If it's the same muppet that eventually appointed Allardyce and then chopped him at the knees by way of ruining his credibility to the squad with a mere 18-month contract, then, again, we're in the shit.
If it's Kenwright, we're in the shit, as ever in recent years, if not decades.
If it's Walsh, we're in the shit, full stop.
If it's the Finch Farm cleaner...... well, who knows?
It just looks and reeks of shit from where I am, whatever.
141 Posted 10/03/2018 at 08:47:52
The most important word in your post is 'retire'.
If only Lardiola would.
142 Posted 10/03/2018 at 09:26:23
Just look at the managers of the teams in the top six. While they have names like Guardian, Content, Pochetino, Kopp and Wenger, we have... Sam bloody Allardyce.
If fat boy Sam is the height of Moshiri's ambition for the club, we might as well all give up and go throw ourselves in the Mersey. Just how low have we sunk as a club if Allardyce is the best we can do?
He plays not to lose rather than to win, best example being his surrender against Watford, ready to bring Schneiderlin on to settle for a draw instead of trying to win a very winnable game.
We were bad enough under Koeman's reign but Allardyce has actually taken us backwards from then, his stats now worse than Koeman's.
For God's sake, Moshiri, get real, wake up and smell the coffee, listen to the fans, who turn out and spend a fortune to follow a team that isn't really a team, as they blunder from one disaster to another under a manager who doesn't have an attacking bone in his body.
Perhaps only dwindling attendances and a refusal to accept the stale, turgid and uninspiring dross being served up by Allardyce each week will drive the point home to Moshiri that we are not prepared to follow a team led by Allardyce as he attempts to turn us into a modern day Leeds or Villa.
Or do we just watch on helplessly as our beloved club slides ever further into the mire of mediocrity!?
143 Posted 10/03/2018 at 09:41:33
144 Posted 10/03/2018 at 12:58:41
May be in 5 games time. Not now.
145 Posted 10/03/2018 at 17:09:55
146 Posted 12/03/2018 at 11:09:58
147 Posted 12/03/2018 at 12:36:22
Jerome Roussilon, Montpellier left back;
Lucas Digne, Barcelona left-/centre-back;
Wendell, Leverkusen left-back & left winger.
You are no manager if you can't spot a quality player...
148 Posted 13/03/2018 at 13:08:44
149 Posted 15/03/2018 at 03:32:12
I know we're lacking a communication director of any pedigree but surely pieces like this have to pass a sniff test somewhere on Goodison Road.
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