Holgate escapes punishment over old tweets

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Mason Holgate won't be censured by the Football Association for homophobic tweets he sent as a 15-year-old.

The Blues' defender has received a "formal warning" about his responsibilities as a professional footballer and will be required to take an "inclusion programme".  



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Jay Wood
[BRZ]

1 Posted 23/03/2018 at 22:00:00
Nice to see the FA responding properly and promptly to Holgate's Twitter posts from 6 years ago, which only came to light in the wake of his set-to with Firmino in the cup game in January...

Kevin Prytherch
2 Posted 23/03/2018 at 22:42:03
What a message this is to send out to anyone affected by racism...

If you're racially abused, the offender will get off Scott free due to lack of evidence..

However you will be made to go on a course for something you said in school.

Nice one FA - good to make a stance and encourage anyone else racially abused to speak up.

Complete hypocrites, the lot of them.

Jim Jennings
3 Posted 23/03/2018 at 22:53:50
Except that he wasn't racially abused, Kevin.
Peter Gorman
4 Posted 24/03/2018 at 00:53:23
Rio Ferdinand made many good points on why the whole handling of this by the FA stinks to high heaven and it was hard to disagree.

As for Mason's schoolboy tweets; heaven help us all. Been covered at length when the story broke so I appreciate there will be a spread of opinion on this and a lot of nuance to the debate, but just seems petty to me.

William George
5 Posted 24/03/2018 at 06:39:23
Just read the BBC article on this story and they highlight the case of Andre Gray and the historic tweets he was banned for four games for having made them four years prior. It's interesting how the tweets from Holgate and Gray both surfaced after matches against Liverpool...
Kevin Prytherch
6 Posted 24/03/2018 at 06:54:12
Jim – we'll never know that for sure.

The FA, and Southgate, have made a big deal this week how the Under-17s are still subject to racial abuse. How is this an incentive for any of them to report it? If they do and they said something in school, they'll be the ones in trouble. It makes a mockery of the ‘Kick it out' campaign as the person who has come forward is vilified for something that happened as a schoolboy.

I've not looked at the details of Andre Gray; I can only presume he was an adult when his occurred.

It's even more ironic when the FA have introduced the Rooney Rule to give players from ethnic minorities opportunities to manage at National level, but do this when an ethnic minority makes a serious allegation.

Derek Thomas
7 Posted 24/03/2018 at 07:59:21
Firmino gets off, Holgate gets a formal warning, wins all round for the RS media machine.
Ray Roche
8 Posted 24/03/2018 at 08:27:59
Jim @2,

I think that the wording in the enquiry was “insufficient evidence” which is a whole lot different to “not guilty”. The way Holgate reacted makes me certain that something was said that he considered offensive.

I hope that no-one ever checks up on things I may have said in the fifties when I was a kid. And my mam thought that the Black & White Minstrels were great. Does that mean that she was a racist? Along with the millions who also watched every week.?

Times have changed but you can't castigate every one for things that they may have done years ago.

Alan J Thompson
9 Posted 24/03/2018 at 15:08:31
I'm no expert on the matter but doesn't the law distinguish between crimes of the child and those of the adult? However, the FA has decided that the actions of the child will be overlooked by the issuance of a formal warning providing he undertakes a "corrective/inclusion" programme.

Who said it takes two to tango?

Stephen Davies
10 Posted 24/03/2018 at 15:15:47
Alan (#8),

No the law doesn't distinguish between ages except if the age is incorporated into the legislation. For example, age required for Driving Licence, age for possessing a firearm etc.

Alan J Thompson
11 Posted 24/03/2018 at 15:23:22
Stephen (#9); Thanks for clarifying that as I was of the opinion that no responsibility was accorded to those under a certain age and that any record before the age of majority was not considered in judgement of misdemeanours as an adult.
Jack Convery
12 Posted 24/03/2018 at 16:50:29
I knew all along Holgate the victim would turn out to be the perpetrator.

Next thing we know, Dixie Dean's great great great granddad knew a guy who drank in a pub frequented by a business man who owned a ship hired by a bloke who sailed it to Africa to take slaves to the Caribbean. Dixie's legacy now tarnished as a result!

Fuck me, the World's gone mad!!!

Stephen Davies
13 Posted 24/03/2018 at 17:02:40
Alan (#11).

Yes, there is such an age – that age is 10 years old.

Shane Corcoran
14 Posted 24/03/2018 at 17:31:50
Man I get tired of the ToffeeWeb paranoia bullshit.

Has anyone anywhere got evidence that Holgate was racially abused? Weren't Everton quick to put it all behind them when the enquiry was complete? Did Holgate post silly tweets when he was a young fella?

What the fuck has any of this got to do with Liverpool FC? Fucking nothing.

William Cartwright
15 Posted 24/03/2018 at 17:33:11
Feelings running high regarding the efficiency of the Liverpool FC media machine. The reality is they are heavily favored by the BBC and the FA, but the Holgate affair is not really part of the spin. In all honesty, without clear cut proof, and by all accounts there was a genuine effort via translations etc to get to the bottom of it, there was not much they could do.

However, post-event distraction of the twitter comments of a 15-year-old, and the similar commentary regarding Mr Gray – both coming after a Liverpool questionable affair... well, suspicious to say the least.

The incident that really pissed me off most about the BBC / FA bias, was the Lallana clear dive in the cup game. Clear dive, referee saw it wrongly, game changing penalty given, media go into quiet mode. Bit of a contrast to the lynch-mob mentality and the ban handed out to Niasse?

There is a clear agenda to support Liverpool and promote their interests, whether it is saturation coverage when they do well, to silence when they do not. A complete about-face contrast to the coverage granted to Everton. What makes it 'clear' is the sheer consistency over time with which the examples of the bias come to the surface.

Just keep on sucking it up, Evertonians, and hope somewhere, sometime, the tide will turn. Perhaps in the next derby?

COYB

Jack Convery
16 Posted 24/03/2018 at 22:50:22
Not paranoia – it's called hatred! They who can do no wrong when actually they have. Just look at their history.
David Currie
17 Posted 25/03/2018 at 03:18:55
Have Sky sacked that spitting RS yet? No thought not.
Harry Catterall
18 Posted 27/03/2018 at 20:41:48
Does anyone else think that Holgate is more trouble than he is worth?
David Barks
19 Posted 27/03/2018 at 20:49:45
What trouble, Harry?

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