Allardyce: Lack of public backing has fuelled speculation

Next.

Now he is asking for one?

Make up your bloody mind.

I would love to know who led to sanctioning his appointment, was Moshiri acting alone, or was he advised?

Like many fans we have been through many situations over the years, but I can't recall anything, like the misery that both Koeman and this Charlatan has brought to the Club.

Let's hope the next appointment is both soon, and the right one for the future of our Club.

His constant chatter with media is just to and paint himself as some kind of managerial god who deserves respect. He isn't and doesn't.

The fact is, only about 100 thousand evertonians actually watch Big Sams team week in week out. But millions will read interviews and look at league table, and it is to them that he is speaking.

People will read and say, gosh, those evertonians are very ungrateful. Yet when anyone actually stops and watches the football, then they say 'ahhhh, yeah, tough watching'

Then we have the issue over the DOF seems like Brands hasnt made his mind up despite all the speculation. If he comes does he work alongside Walsh or is Walsh going to be offered a lucrative pay off. Seems even before the transfer window opens we could have already spent a considerable amount in redundancy pay offs.

Despite the uncertainty of our manager for next season the Echo is suggesting we are favourites to sign Shaqiri from Stoke for £12 million. While Leipzig want Lookman, typical Everton sell a very promising player to replace him with a player who is hit and miss at best. Imagine Bolasie and Shaqiri in the team, no doesnt bear thinking about.

With a ‘So long and thanks for all the fish' handshake.

He doesn't deserve hate or vitriol . He was appointed to do a job, he's done it. Yes it could have been my cat or my nan managing and we would have stayed up, but that is not conclusively a fact.

He has given us a bit of defensive solidity and got us to eighth. But this is does not feel like Everton anymore . For the first time in 50 years this spell has left me feeling nothing when we play.

Good luck Sam and good bye.

It will be a long haul back and I almost feel that we are starting from a level when Walter Smith got the taxi call.

We have a selfish, deluded, corrupt dinosaur who seems to believe he has the capacity not only to stop the rot but to build his own footballing legend.

Everton supporters are often referred to as being amongst the most knowledgeable and appreciative fo quality football, but this bombastic fool despises and belittles both their criticism and integrity.

I am not great football tactician etc, just an inveterate dreamer, but perhaps naively [aged 65] that once we were made safe, this buffoon would loosen up and show a different view of the game looking forward to next season. I should have had more faith in a brontosurus!

The long climb back starts with taxis for Alladyce, his two stooges and more importantly Walsh and Kenwright .... any other response from Moshiri will be seen as indecisive and counter-productive to the wellbeing of EFC.

However, he has kept us up when I think we looked like a team going down, albeit very early in the season. That Southampton performance just screamed relegation at me.

And as for doing the right thing and resigning, Derek #3, that's just beyond me. "Sam, could you come in and keep us up and, oh, would you mind jumping before you're shoved to save us a few quid". Actually, that sounds just like Bill.

We do not have the players to be able to play an attacking style successfully, and we have not been able to attract the right players to do this. Roberto Martinez tried to, but he took us down the table instead of up. Sam has taken us up the table from fighting relegation to 8th in the table.

To any that say 8th in the table is not good enough, this is totally disingenuous. It is known full well that he took on a team near the bottom that was doing badly, and improved it by taking it up to 8th.

There is a lack of rational thinking by many Everton supporters along with a great deal of bigotry.

Whether they are good enough or not is probably debatable. However they were not the main reason we didn't win. EVERYTHING about the team was bad. Enthusiasm, tactics and the basic ability to pass and attack.

Reflecting on many of the games we have played under Allardyce we have been incredibly lucky.Such luck may not always be around. However we cannot afford to make another BAD managerial appointment if he goes. Who should we appoint. I don't know, but then who does ? I do know that Allardyce will NEVER be the answer. Just Leave. You will never be an Evertonian.

The Board are getting away with murder on this issue. They should come out and thank their appointee for his efforts and confirm that they will be looking for a replacement in advance of Sunday's game.

The problems with this current group are not of the current managers making, the blame must lie with the previous manager who started the season with a completely unbalanced squad. Allardyce will leave us with Walcott and Tosun, like Moyes before him, he has a good eye for a player.

I'm not sure this lack of clarity helps anyone and it certainly undermines the manager.

If Moshiri did really tell Sam in private that he will be here next season then why has that not been made public? And if he didn't then why has Sam been allowed to intimate that he did?! It all smacks of uncertainty and poor leadership from where i'm standing unless there's a masterplan at work that I can't see.

Sam's given up and is conceded he'll be fired.

That's the way I read it.

See ya Sam! Don't look or come back.

Our squad just needs a few tweaks,a couple of new signings (MOOY & PEARSON),the loan signings back & a new young Gaffer who sees the Everton job as a dream move,has a vision,a plan,a new road to take us Blues that ends with the glorious twin towers in view, one Cup after another,a new dawn & real belief for our long suffering fans that Everton Football Club are back in the big time...fearing NO ONE !.

I must add that owing to an unexpected health problem I was forced to miss the home games following the Crystal Palace fixture, but I had seen enough to decide that having done what the board had hired him to do, the next step was for him to be relieved of his duties. In view of the millions that were wasted in the summer recruitment drive, it's my opinion that the six million pound severance pay would be money well spent.

In my seventy years of attending games at Goodison, I have seen one relegation (1950-51) and two close shaves, Wimbledon (1993-94) and Coventry City (1997-98), the last game of the season on each occasion, but I seriously feared as early as October, that relegation would be our fate this season.

While I hope that Allardyce will be shown the door I have no idea who his successor should be, the appointment of a football manager can be either the best decision or the worst, it's very much in the lap of the Gods.

In closing may I add that I find the so-called pundits [to a man], are missing the point, results are important, but the likes of Southampton, West Bromwich Albion and others threatened with relegation are going about their task admirably, their attitude is if we're going down let's go down trying to win.

I have always maintained that if you're not good enough it's not your fault, but if you don't try hard enough it most certainly is.

I don't know what to expect going forward, other than the boards lack of communication, never helps the supporters..Will EFCs sponsors put up with the mediocrity…and acceptance of failure?

Klassen, Vlasic, Besic, Robles, JJ Kenny ( loan ), Lookman, Mirallas, Garbutt, Niasse, Funes Mori, Williams, Dowell, Pennington, Steklenburg ( if he hasn't already ) and Rooney.

He keeps the rest including Schneiderlin - FFS. Our defence will consist of the old guard for another season, Coleman, Keane, Jagielka and Baines. Midfield of Schneids Gueye and A N other who he will bring in. Walcott, Tosun and Boalsie / A N other. Subs - some old guy whose agent he knows as a keeper, Martina ( for both full back positions ) A N other Centre Half poss Gibson if Mboro don't come up, Calvert Lewin et al - we r fd goodstyle if he stays. He will leave us with a squad of ancient players and the kids will be plying their trade elsewhere, when they should have been here. Moshiri will be happy as we will stay in the EPL. He can sell us at a massive profit and not give a damn that the squad is over the hill when he leaves. His accountants will be very happy indeed and that is all that matters. Oh and another thing he will want his £80m loan back too. Happy Days.

Did Sam save us as a volunteer? Because,in my view we owe him nothing. He had a shot at, yes, a big club. He got safe and then clearly demonstrated that he had not another thing to offer. We owe him nothing in my opinion. He will rake millions from our club.

He deserves no thanks and no respect.

I, like DU, will say that Sam took over after the WHU match at home.

By that stage we had scored 4 less goals and shipped 14 more than in the same fixtures last year. Since he took over we have scored 15 less and shipped 3 less.

All he did was sort out the defence.

The person we really have to thank for our end of season form is Chris Kavanagh. He was the wonderful man who stopped all the errors in our defence - he sent off Ashley Williams. Williams has never been seen since, and hopefully never will, in an Everton shirt.

You once said you were capable of managing Real Madrid - well Everton is not quite RM but it is as good as you have ever had. The truth is you have utterly failed to understand the script. You are supposed to entertain the fans; give the fans something to cheer about something to get them out of their seats. 8th is not quite it Sam - a cup; a team that fights its corner and if 8th is what we get then so be it - but we have got there through entertainment and spirit. Do you understand Sam? It is the Everton way.

Now big fellah, you have utterly failed your audition for the Real Madrid job - you have failed beyond measure for the Everton job, so there's a good lad, give up the ghost and go home and leave us alone.

I think "the twin towers" are now hardcore on some new shopping arcade.

In hindsight, I think we must acknowledge the awful state that last summers recruitment left the team in. The unbalanced and misguided buying, combined with a dire run of injuries to key players, meant that it was a huge ask for anyone coming after Koeman.

Koeman paid the price, but for me, the other key culprit is still at the club. Walsh is no more a DoF that my Gran having never played, coached or managed at any significant level. A DoF is a very different role than a scout and for, this was an appointment that reeked of inexperience and compromise on Everton's part and opportunism on the part of Walsh.

It is clear that the coaching at the club is far from the best in the league. No discernible patterns of play, no fully developed on-field relationships and a complete lack of movement ahead of the ball indicate that our coaching methods are slovenly and out-of-date, to say the least. The players literally look like they have no idea what they (or the others around them) are supposed to do at any given time.

We are far away from developing a 'brand of football', but we really should not be watching a first team that literally looks as if they have never seen each other before. This for me is the biggest failure that Sam represents. He can play the old numbers game, but in reality it is no more than cowards ball and is inherently opposite to any notion of entertainment. For me, this is the actual limitation that Sam represents.

He has used his tried and true approach to do enough to keep us out of the mire, but outside of the top 6 teams the premier league seems to have devolved into a mass of mediocrity, so success on that front feels a bit hollow. However, bringing in a less experienced manager, new coach or staying with the inexperienced Unsworth was probably not the betting man's choice. This feels like a straight up risk management decision. We'll never know if it could have worked out, but in any event, job done.

Now we are at a much more difficult decision point. The end of the season is the obvious time to set aside this past years strife and sow the seeds for future growth. For my money we need a forward thinking coach, capable of making some hard decisions with the current squad, but someone with a clear idea of how the existing players and emerging youth can begin to function as a team.

We will need patience as fans, but if could see some green shoots of promise and some semblance of a team that competes with every visitor to Goodison Park, then next season will have bluer skies than the one now coming to an end. Whoever the team is that comes in, the first order of business will be to establish a sense of unity and purpose across the club and its supporters.

New people, new ideas please.

I think Moshiri has lost faith in the whole setup and is now looking for answers from his football contacts.

I don't believe for one minute that Sam was told explicitly that he will be here next season.

When he reported back to the press after the meeting. He said words to the effect "we have some clarity going forward" That is not the same as
" the owner told me I would be here next year" which he would have said if he had any assurances.

We were safe so why not set a new target of 7th? Right up until the Southampton game we still had a mathematical chance of catching Burnley and although it was extremely unlikely he could have spent the last few weeks putting pressure on them as you never know what might happen. But no, he's done what he came in to do and he wants his mate Dyche to get into Europe. Couldn't give a toss about us. His only ambition is money.

Personally, I think the decision has already been made and Allardyce's actions highlight that. I can't believe that if he was going to be here next season he would be having a go at the supporters and would not have opted out of the lap of appreciation. Like others I think it is all part of an elaborate wind up on his part.

Unfortunately that has been a feature of Everton F.C. for well more than a decade, supporters like myself have had little or no say in how the club is run, even before those halcyon days when our money actually counted in keeping clubs like EFC on a fairly even keel before the advent of the multi million conglomerate that the game has now become worldwide.

The deafening silence from 'above' on major issues concerning Everton has never involved the Hoi Poloi who have filled Goodison for the decades since we left to cross Stanley Park to Walton, and as SA is just finding out, continues to this day as we stumble from one managerial and player disaster to another with no realistic end in sight.

He didn't look at all concerned about the toxic shite that was ringing around the stadium, more interested in fiddling with his phone than being attentive to the moment.

No doubt Everton will leave any managerial decisions until after the World Cup, in traditional Everton fashion they will wait and let the storm ride out before eventually doing nothing.

But it's becoming increasingly clear that he is not the source of the problem at our Club. Moshiri and the luvvy Ken Billwright are fucking this club up royally and have not got a clue what to do with it. I'm starting to feel that Moshiri - like our current manager - doesn't actually give a shit about the football club either.

It's scary and there appears to be no end to the downward spiral.

Please God, someone or something soon will prove me wrong.

Saturday should have been a win at all costs match because it was the sign off at home against the side who destroyed us in November who now might go down.

Yes, okay, you lost Rooney and Walcott and don't have Sigg. But to go out with 2 CDM's, not play two up front and then go to a back 5?

It is turgid nonsense. You got out of jail courtesy of some breaks and Tom Davies and others not giving up.

He is a lucky manager but you get more luck when you shoot and attack and we don't do enough of that.

We knew what we were getting, and by the time we asked him to come, after first deciding three weeks earlier not to ask him, we needed him. He has got the most shell-shocked, underperforming and lacking in confidence squad I can remember in 50 years well clear of what I saw as a real battle to retain our top flight status.

Poor David Unsworth looked like he was going to walk into the Mersey after our great team hardly bothered getting off the bus for him at the Southampton away game. I am sure next season Sam will help another struggling team survive, its what he does. Just hope we don't have to ask him back...

Even if we get relegated next season or finish somewhere between 8th and 17th, we can console ourselves that we will have played the right sort of football along the way. That's what Everton has always stood for, after all: getting the players moving in the right direction, in the right places and in an aesthetically pleasing fashion so as to bamboozle the opposition. More or less.

If we can just get rid of this lobotomised, criminal oaf then we can do, errr, Something.

COYB.

Get us, and keep us, away from a relegation battle. Job done.

So, your wind-up aside, "I am sure next season Sam will help another struggling team survive, its what he does. Just hope we don't have to ask him back..."

He's done and gone. He's been ripped on because his reputation preceded him and he proved it true. Nothing more to it than that.

Having Baines, Coleman and Jagielka back in the team has helped him massively as it would have helped any manager but Sams time is up as he does not have what it takes to build a football team. Survival is his game.

The thing that is driving most of us mad is not that Sam is still here but the fear the he could stay and see out his contract.

It may be getting to Sam a bit now so it's good to see him getting a dose of what we are going through after all his obnoxious comments about the players and fans.

However, the lack of leadership from the owner is giving me bad vibes for the future.

Indeed, the Tearful One was confident enough to tell us that he had decided on the retention of other 2017 transfer flops (whose arrivals he had negotiated and who had promised him that they really love Everton). No wider consultation needed. Eddie will understand that sort of True Blue truth.

I blame Allardyce.

It's reaching the summit as the club must get properly real, realise where the club is, and agree a plan for the next 3 years.

We, supporters old, and new, need some conviction for the future.

As it stands, there's no integrity and no honesty in the club. What's happened this year, has compounded 30 years of decay. SA smelt a big wad, EFC, as usual at board level, panicked and the rest is history.

The reality is and all know that the board must go, and despite the overtures and rhetoric, the last 30 years, has been a piss-take.

Heysel etc and aftermath, we can all say and think, but life, goes on. I despise the RS, like the rest, but, we can't keep living off anecdotes. If's and buts..

We are all getting older and more pissed off than, the laws of life make it worth. The EFC board must cleanse itself, and start clean, straight after West Ham.

Style and manner, associated with EFC, in first team matters, has been lost to history. The sacrifice weave all made following this club home and away, now needs collective temerity, but rational of where the club is going.

Away days, great days and early days, will be what we all have and known, but now, it really is the pits, watching and supporting EFC. But the Thimble as in life is Half-Full.

Salvation soon.

The future is now.

I was there that day. So they were down to 10 men with an hour left to play. They had relegation written all over them. Us winning there was not unrealistic as they were not fighting for their lives hence their insipid display which we kept at bay until the equaliser.

Then we upped our game and broke through easily.

For me that was a highly winnable match and so it proved.

I believe that Moshiri can/will live with 8th for next season... bearing in mind he has to pay him any way. So until somebody comes along who Moshiri feels he can live with and takes the job.

I get the feeling that due to our fannying around there are a couple who have us down as the fall back position... Brands humming and harring might indicate he is waiting to see who he might have to work with.

To a Championship Manager, with real ambition to make his mark & build a Dynasty... I believe our club is the dream job, Roman.

I think in reality everyone wins. He gets his money and protects his brand. We stay in the league with two decent playing additions. Moshiri has protected his investment short term. He hasn't done the damage Koeman did or even Martinez. Evertonians simply want to watch more stylish football and he can't provide it.

I believe Silva is coming and that big changes are afoot in the boardroom. We know Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone are leaving also. This really feels a new dawn. The fan base so fractured and hurt for so long really needs to unify in the summer and roar this great football institution back into a swashbuckling fighting passionate force we can all be proud.

Sam has done what he was brought in for. Not pretty... but we survive. If anyone has a cat that will do better, I'd like to see it.

Thanks, Sam....

The current managers of both teams, appointed by the owners because the previous managers were endangering the Premier League status of the club, are also taking unbelievable abuse from their own fans because they too, having secured Premier League status, have not done it in the Everton/West Ham "way".

The only difference is it is 50 years since West Ham played the West Ham "way" and Everton stopped playing the Everton "way" only 30 years ago with the universally acclaimed appointment of Colin Harvey.

We have much more right to be pissed off than them.

So, why is he bringing it up again?, He's had a few questions from journalists? Or does he not like the chanting from the fans? Either way, if you have had clarification on your future (in private) from the owner of any business, why would you need clarification a second time or even expect it, especially this time, in public?

Crying to the media hey Sam? The fans are picking on you and you want the headmaster to step in and put them on detention?

What a fucking Bell End! No class, it's all about him, him, and him, him and then a little more him and then... you get the picture, tosser of the highest order.

But he knows what he's doing, make no mistake. As one of the articles on here pointed out, he was taught by a politician, attack the critics and deflect questions to not answer the question at hand.

He's a tumour this club should cut off.

Prize twat!

He basically fucked off Everton and those that says he didn't, I'll point you to/from (without the Google machine) September to Decemberish when I (no proof, but he was in his last season) he was in the shop window for the United job, our togger was unbelievable (you won't see me type that very often), we played most teams off the park, our movement, joined up play and transition seemed effortless, we had over 20+ shots in more than one game(I think, and yes, I'll bow to the statistics) but the footy was sublime, we didn't/couldn't put the ball in the net!

Shop window all day long, how blue Bill didn't see it coming I'll never know, one day I watched the TGT in an interview, and he said something along the lines of; that him and Bill could hammer out a deal in five minutes. I remember shouting at the TV, if it's that easy, why ain't you done it? How many five minutes are in a day, let alone several months, point being, he wasn't hounded out, he screwed us over!!!

The so-called billionaire 'owner' of the club in all but name sat at the Southampton game with what I can only describe as an inane grin on his face as our fans made their feelings clearly known, even to the watching media. BK at least had the decency to rest his head on his hands in a gesture of what I thought was disgust (shame) at the rubbish he and the rest of us were having to endure on what he must have hoped would be a rousing end to our last home game of the season.

Moshiri, on the other hand, seemed totally detached from what was taking place before his eyes. Can you imagine how the big money owners of any other club would have been reacting both during and after that display? Moshiri, who I have long believed to be extremely naive in his knowledge of how to run a football club, gave a great impression of a simpleton who doesn't fully comprehend what he is witnessing and who reacts by displaying that stupid smile that only makes them look even more ridiculous. He might have made a vast personal fortune but he didn't do it by running a football club. He's like a little kid let loose in a toy store and allowed to play with the big boys toys that he can have fun with even though he's not sure how or why they work. If he had an ounce of knowledge about what running and managing Everton F. C. he would have acted immediately after the match in at least giving the thousands of fans some hope for the future by announcing that SA was gone and a new manager would be appointed in time for the neecs

Come on Moshiri, show us what you've got, what you're made of and for once, be bloody decisive instead of acting as if Allardyce has got you by the short and curlies. Are you afraid of the dinosaur or something?

Then it's paaaaaarty time!!!!!!!!!

Like many others I have absolutely no confidence in Moshiri having the ability to make the right appointment given the appalling mess his regime have made of the football side up to now. Quite whom his supporters will blame for his balls-ups when Kenwright goes is anybody's guess. Putin maybe ?

Not a lot of people know that.

There is still a great many King Cnuts in the Premier League a thousand years later.

sorry for the typo.

Alex Neil Preston N.E Manager
September 22nd 2017.

Now that would do for me...at least our play wouldn't be S.O.S (Same old Sam).

Big Sam don't do Trophies & the last time I looked there wasn't one for finishing seventh.

No worries though,at least your wish Steavey will no doubt happen...mine won't.

Since Everton has been the picture of patience and stability for years I see no reason not to. Has this approach brought a plethora of silverware?

The time for a staid, steady unadventurous approach has withered. We have little to lose with another appointment. The apathy that the current strategy has engendered is ripe with vitriol towards the club as a whole.

Looking towards an experienced hand is tired and small time. Allardyce, Hodgeson etc. the evidence is that you get safety and little else, done so in a painstakingly dour way.

I talk like this however I would be astounded if the board in its current form would have the vision to try something else. Fundamentally we have an accountant running our club, a chairman who has never had money and a CEO tasked with saving every penny. As it stands they will in all likelihood appoint tried and tested, even retain Allardyce! Gulp!

Kenwright for all his theatre background has never appointed big time, he wants rags to riches the Cinderella story.

Moshiri will always want to protect his investment and that has to date been reflected in his actions.

Elstone, does he even know about football?!

The most vital appointment is Brands, he has the vision to look for a different take, a more outward appointment.

If the board can secure his services my hope for a brighter, less risk adverse Everton is there, fail to get him then I fear Sam will be retained.

Was it really unthinkable??

We have moved from 13th to 8th under Allardyce's reign (six places up the league). Prior to FS taking over we had played the following sides who are currently above us

Chelsea 0-2, Man U 0-4, Man City 1-1 - away
Burnley 0-1, Spurs 0-3, Arsenal 2-5 home

Pts 1 Goals for 3 Goals against = -16
Average goal difference per game = - 2.16
Pts per game = 0.166

All of these matches took place under Koeman's reign, so, six out of Koemans first nine matches were against teams above us. In the games we played against teams who are below us (currently) Koeman's results are as follows

Stoke 1-0, Bournemouth 2-1- Home
Brighton 1-1 away

Points gained per game 2.33
Goals for 4 Goals against 2
Avergage goal difference per game + 0.5

Under Allardyce we have performed as follow against sides better than us

Liverpool 1-1, Spurs 0-4, Arsenal 1-5, Burnley 1-2 - Away
Man City 1-3, Man U 0-2, Chelsea, 0-0, Liverpool 0-0 Home

Pts gained per game 0.375
Goals for 4 Goals Against 17 = -13
Average goal difference per game - 1.625

Under Allardyce the performance against teams below us (currently) is as follows

At Home
Huddersfield 2-0, Newcastle 1-0, Swansea 3-1, WBA 1-1, Leicester 2-1 C. Palace 3-1, Brighton 2-0, Newcastle 1-0, Southampton 1-1

Away
WBA 1-1, Bournemouth 1-2, Watford 0-1, Swansea 1-1, Huddersfield 2-0, Stoke City 2-1

Goals for 24 Goals Against 11 = + 13
Average goal difference per game = + 0.86
Points Gained 31 Points gained per game = 2.06

In the five games Unsworth took charge of us (all are teams currently below us)

Leicester 0-2, C. Palace 2-2, Southampton 4-1 - away
Watford 3-2, West Ham 4-0 - Home

Average Points per game = 1.4

The point I am making Steavey is - getting to 8th from 13th wasn't really unthinkable at all even if we had kept Koeman. The reality is our home form has not been poor against any side that is below us in the table. Koeman did have a trickier start and that is what cost him his job. Saying Allardyce has improved things isn't really borne out by the statistics.

Just to have us Blues smiling in the Wembley sunshine is enough for me.The coming weeks will be very telling as to our fate/future !.

One of the reasons we're getting stick off the press is that we're starting to abandon the stability of good old cuddly non-achueving Everton, reliably mediocre, reliably risk-averse. Actually trying to change things creates instability. We need good leadership, then good recruitment to manage the transition.

Mickey Gray the ex Sunderland player and Jim White asked was he disappointed by the reaction of some Everton fans. Gray also said he was at the game on Saturday and asked Allardyce was he disappointed so few Everton fans stayed to the final whistle. There was another guy on don't know his name, but obviously another in the Garth Crooks school claiming what did fans want Sam had got them to 8th. Maybe if any of them had checked the stats since Allardyce took over they would now why Everton fans were so disappointed in him. we rank 19th in number of shots, 19th in shots on target, 19th on chances created, 19th in dribbles. THATS WHY EVERTON FANS DONT WANT HIM YOU MUPPETS.

Like F.S,he too is a Comedian !.

We are fond of finger-pointing on here and sometimes with very good reason. There have been players whose work rate and lack of effort has been mentioned several times. If BS with his no nonsense, 'I am in charge' approach has not changed them, then we need to say good bye to all quite quickly.

The club is in major state of flux and the direction is unclear, possibly even undecided. The last thing we need is players just going through the motions.

They deserve medals !.

I can excuse Mickey Gray and Bob Mills, but Jim White is a so called Journalist and that should have been a basic question in respect of his future.

Funny that White never seems to have any quotes from his good friend Moshiri anymore!

Very disappointing interview from an Evertonian perspective.

1. Thank our amazing away support, then show that gratitude for next season.
2. Sack Sam and appoint a new gaffer, pronto.
3. Have a wild guess, Blues...clue: it's real shiny and got three handles.

Like you, I also read those comments by Butland and Adams citing reasons for Stoke's relegation:

1) a poor transfer policy which saw costly signings either loaned out or sitting on fat contracts and not being selected

2) players 'getting away with murder' by simply not putting the effort in, either on the training ground or during matches

Switch out the name 'Everton' for 'Stoke' and unless those failings are addressed, we ourselves could be on a similar slippery slope.

Do you not feel even a little embarassed that Sam Allardyce is our coach? Do you actually, seriously, really believe that this second rate, lamentable coach who has won fuck all and has earned a fortune with his unambitious percentage game, can actually build platform to take us forward?

He has no interest in building. He is a short termist, self serving scoundrel.

Finally, you are saying that Wayne Rooney is not comfortable on the ball? Indeed you are saying we have many players who are not comfortable on the ball. I disagree but, even if you are right, do you actually believe that Sam" fucking" Allardyce is the man to sort this out?
Not good enough for Newcastle, not good enough for West Ham, but good enough for Everton next season. That's your view?

"The players deserve better" ? How the fuck can this guy look in the mirror ? He has thrown them all under a bus at some stage or another this season. Told the world they were not good enough to "play". Blamed them for every defeat, criticised them When he has gotten his tactics all wrong.

What he really means is that he hasn't been given credit, he thinks he deserves. I feel despair when I see Evertonians making excuses for him. or claiming he saved us. This simply fuels the sympathy pundits like Jim White and Gormless Garth Crooks and any other fucker who doesn't have to watch his team to claim its only a "section" of us want him out.

Listening to this horrible man play the victim as he fielded a steady stream of contrived sycophantic "questions" made me sick to my stomach.

A critical Summer looming at G.P methinks,I just hope & pray Mosh calls it right.

The players did respond ( which he can take some credit for ) and the performances improved slightly which got us doubt of trouble.

Since the initial upsurge in performances there has been a steadily downwards progression which has now
culminated in very poor performance by any standard.

By saying he can only get out of the players the skills they have shows he has either no faith in the players or no intentions of changing our style ( or lack of it) of play.

He needs to move on now and let's get someone in who will give us a style of play to be proud of and more of an insentive to go and watch some decent football.

We don't want just survival we don't necessarily want trophies, what we do want is some enjoyable football.

His tactics are old and boring and his ideas about football are old and ageing.

Give us back our team
Give us back our dignity
Give us back our club

What will be the reaction on TW? Give him more time he's got hidden talent, if we have lots and lots patience OR get him out, he's a useless foreign money grabbing, bloodsucking mercenary.

It will be interesting to see which... I think I know already.

You are both joking, right ?!! Do you watch every game? I do. We are where we are, despite Moosehead. No more of this purgatory.

I honestly can't see Mr Moshiri spending another fortune in the shortened pre-season. We will still have most, if not all, the same suspects next season. I hope not but I suspect so.

Yes some signings have been made over the last two seasons but, for the most part, those players have not played up to what was expected.

The obvious comment is that they just aren't good enough given the fact that Everton struggled in so many games even if you exclude the top six.

They seemed to start every game with a lack of desire and intensity so much so that even teams fighting out the relegation battle gave them a hard time.

I was concerned like everyone else when they couldn't beat the Cypriot side at Goodison and then they had shellackings by Arsenal and Atalanta.

Okay one could point to the injuries to Coleman and Baines and the ineptitude of Martina, Williams and Holgate but to be fair it was a general malaise throughout.

Some of the younger players sparkled in patches and may indeed come on next season but they need bigger support from the bigger name players.

Another big question is how bad is Klaassen if he couldn't get a kick under Allardyce?

A lot to sort out a soon as the last game is over of a really bad season.

Just because the likes of Stoke City and West Brom shat the bed this season, doesn't mean we should be cowed into accepting soul-destroying football for the sake of clinging to 8th place (if we're lucky).

For those saying we're best off keeping Sam on for next season, my question is this: do you enjoy watching football where you're actually surprised if your team scores?

These were lads/ men I have known for a long time, good genuine Evertonians. I just listened to them, didn't have the heart or inclination to argue with them. They left me completely dumbfounded though that they could even begin to think that way. A couple of them go home and away, know their football but are not the slightest bit angry at the way this man is running Everton FC.

It is shocking that the fans you spoke to accept the dross we have been served and are prepared to accept more.

It seems there is a type of fan that is just ‘results orientated' and as long as we win or draw by whatever method a certain contentedness reigns.

I can't for the life of me understand how any Evertonian would want this rotting carcass of a season to bleed over into the next one. It needs putting in an incinerator and it's ashes need burying in a lead box.

Very harsh, I like this joker. He talks very well, seems to be a great man manger, English, an Evertonian, likes to play footy and has done miracles with Bournmouth on a shoe string.

Some of you are talking about a couple of Portuguese managers who have done nothing in the premier league. I mean, chasing a guy who got sacked from Watford? No thanks.

Be happy with Howe.

We could definitely do worse than Sam in both gaining less points and playing just as badly whilst doing so.

But other than staying in the Premier league Sam offers very little other than poor football and wasting time (and money) in moving Everton forward.

I've not been to a game since he took over. Why, because I knew how terrible it would be. It would put off my children, the next Everton generation for life. The thought of them supporting another team.. not worth thinking about.

We all have a right to an opinion. Change does come with risks but also optimism (presuming we don't stuff it up by brining in Pulis or Pardew etc.)
I would love a chance to dream and enjoy watching football again even if we take a step backwards.
Sam only brings darkness, I would like a new hope. (thanks Mr Lucas)

Do I dare to risk the ire on here or do I dare to challenge even my own previous thought . Yes, do I dare to go against the grain - the many anti-SAM throngs?

Hmm! Well, let's just start by asking for some thoughts.

There are many on here who are very astute, business oriented people with strong views. So let's get right down to the most proliferated issue. That is---- should SA go or stay to the end of his contracted 18 months?

There are most who seem to sit in the FO Sam asap category and a few voices stating the need for stability, so keep SA on board for the remainder of his contract.

So, my question is this. Can I please have at least one thoroughly well thought out and developed business argument as to why he should stay for next season and one similarly well thought out and developed business argument including stability as to why he should go asap??

The real debate -- no effin' & blinding', bollocks or sh-one-t -------- then maybe votes, eh?

I'm with the effers and blinders I'm afraid.

So, to sum up: "Fuck off Allardyce."

Anyone could replace the mug we have... doesn't make them good managers because Burnley and the like had a one-off season. We aim higher, nobody knows really who yet.

Let's get some hope back. The past two seasons have been without even the slightest prospect of silverware. And that's what it's all about at the end of the day.

Allardyce only knows one way of playing the game and we are seeing it every bloody boring, soul-destroying week. Attacking football is not part of his mindset. He has openly admitted he has done all he do with Everton so why on earth would we want to keep him? Some are saying if he stays, we'll at least get 7th next season. We are more likely to finish 17th if he is given a full season to further bore us all to death while the rest of the Premier League move forward as we stagnate. They will have us worked out in no time and we will be cannon fodder for any team with a decent midfield and attacking players who will run rings round us.

We need progress, not stagnation, and we need it sooner rather than later.

That'll be 6 million please!