Allardyce's sacking as Everton manager confirmed

Good riddance hope to never see you again anywhere near our great club.

We move on - I notice on the ToffeeWeb Poll after more than 3,000 votes, Silva has only managed to garnish 13%.

Is that because there was multiple choices and if the poll said "Would you accept Silva as the new manager?" - would that 13% rocket up?

Not the right man for our club. Like just about everyone else, after half a dozen games he should have realised that the threat of relegation was long gone and made attempts at chasing down Arsenal.

Credit for the Walcott and Tosun signings. I think they will prove shrewd for us next season under the right manager/playing style.

Credit to the club here too for getting this wrapped up quickly. They may not get it right next season either but at least they have decided not to settle for guaranteed mediocrity.

Back to square one, £250m down, no manager and boardroom instability. Still, happiest I've felt for ages tbh.

Can't we just for ones go and fucking show them next season who we are and just smash into all of the them.

What good news, SA out with a rocket up his ass (and a suitcase full of money, for sure).

And hopefully well get a man with a good plan for how to steer this ship to calmer waters, with more sun and less rain.

I would be happy with Arteta or Fonesca. Silva perhaps, but he has not made it in PL with two gos so

Arteta is totally unproven, of course, but he knows the club, has a good temper and is smart. Dont know about his skills as a leader, but guess he has learned. And, I bet he wold like to be manager for Everton, and with help from an older Assistant could do great things for us. Lets say on a four year plan.

Anyhow. SA, takk, farvel og adjø.

It sees a sorry end to a sorry season, which will be long forgotten in a few years. Amazing how most of the football world think mid-table is our rightful place after all the money we have splashed out. I think that's the most worrying aspect of all this.

The new ground can't come quickly enough at this stage. We won't be taken seriously until we leave the relic, and Bill sails off into retirement. It makes you wonder how players view us as a club? Especially after Bill gives them "The Everton Talk." I would love to be a fly on that wall. Or maybe not.

Instead of telling us that he was doing a great job, 8th is a great position for Everton and we should somehow be grateful; he should've been honest and said that the football is dire, uninspiring and bereft of creativity; then asked for a summer to turn it around.

He might've bought himself some stay of execution if he put some skin in the game himself; say... if he'd put his contract on the line and said that he'd walk away if the form didn't improve come say' November; but he was never going to do that.

Now to get the next decision right Mr Moshiri.

I just wonder if our poll has been hijacked, how can Benitez be 6% more popular as choice of our next manager than Wenger who has won way more trophies than the Spanish waiter. We have just had 2 managers who had a massive disconnect with the fans why do some want a man who would have an even bigger disconnect.

The overwhelming theme in recent months has been apathy. People on here, including myself, for the first time saying they didn't care whether we won or lost. I have never felt so disconnected from Everton. A club, team and its fans just going through the motions.

Thank fuck this season is over, it has been the most painful I can remember – apart from maybe 85-86 which was obviously for entirely different reasons.

GOODBYE SAM!!!

New management, new coach, new director of football, a new dawn.

A happy Jamie Crowley.

Thank you and goodbye.

Now for, presumably, Fonseca or Silva.

It's a sad day because of Ray Wilson, but Steavey is correct, Jamie: Everton have got way too many cowards out on the pitch at present, mate.

We must appoint someone with a proven reputation in the game with good man-management skills and most importantly an affinity for Everton FC; if that leaves out IMO people like Silva etc, so be it. We can't afford another management fiasco and failure so, if we can find that balance – and it won't be easy – we can hope for a better future for the club and its fantastic following.

Besides, Allardyce had his way of playing & was never gonna change that to break into the top six. Let's hope the Board get it right this time.

We brought in a dinosaur to keep us from going down.

He plays the worst brand of football in Everton's history.

What is there NOT to be happy about?

And we are NOT a revolving door. Far from it. Everton was one of the most loyal employers to a manager for over a decade. Since that time we hired what we thought was the perfect replacement in Martinez and that didn't pan out to be true.

His replacement lost the dressing room, and Sam was a stop-gap.

The next manager will be here for a while.

If you don't see the good in firing Fat Sam and only focus on the negative of that act alone - your revolving door theory - then I can't help you.

I would suggest you find a warm, sunny place to find the bright side of life though.

Or tilt your head back and sing (loudly) Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead. It's SO liberating!

Wonderful, page-turning day in this Club's history!

It will be like having a minister of God here after suffering the West Midlands donkey for the last 6 months. And the buffoons before him. Wenger's experience of being at the Arsenal helm when moving from their traditional old ground to a new stadium would be helpful.

Of course it will probably not come to pass as the big money and prestige of the Arsenal for Mikel, as the likely new Gunners anointed one, will stop that dead in its tracks. Come to think of it, Wenger is unlikely to take to the northern wastelands after being so long an honorary, and honoured Londoner.

Still I can always dream.

I didn't want you to be honest but, once employed, then you were the manager of our Club and so be it.

Good luck in the future.

Bring on the next one to hate.

We don't want to rush in again making a hasty appointment, that we may regret later. Thorough research, which really should have been done already, coupled with a joint agreement, must determine the next Manager.

A mistake was made giving Martinez a bumper pay rise and another 4 years after just one season. Then we had Koeman with his £6 million per year contract over 3 years, and then Allardyce with a crazy 18-month contract and we could have got him for a lot less first time of asking.

God knows what the next manager is going to demand when we come calling.

At least me friends won't have to put up with me moaning about Big Fat Sam all the time. (They suffered the same through the Martinez disaster.)

I know at 22 I shouldn't be so bitter etc and the club wouldn't have appointed him if we weren't in such a crappy position, but I just have to smile knowing he won't be in charge of an important pre-season for us.

So glad that FS . has gone.

The next guy needs our full support and I hope we stick with him for a few years. We really need some stability now.

Now nobody mention Moyes or I'll be swapping the bikini for my raincoat again!!

Oh and I don't like him either!

"Good luck, Sam"?!? — You are having a laugh, aren't you? He doesn't need it!!!

I have to agree with Jackie. Eddie Howe surely has a good track record in the Premier League over three seasons. Over-achieving whilst playing the right way. Silva similarly but for a much shorter period and his loyalty could possibly be questioned?

Whoever we get we must get behind them as a club. Reason to be optimistic.

So what happens when keeping changing managers, each manager accumulates more players? So next season, the squad will get bigger, but so will the wage bill, which will drain the club of much-needed finances.

His appointment was a triumph of panic-stricken desperation over hopeful rationality, imo.

Finally, a decent media article from the Guardian that tells it like it was — an absolute shambles of a tenure.

No idea who I want next - there seems to be a lot of clamour about Silva but my gut tells me he's not good enough.

Will Rooney stay???

It's going to be interesting next season.

That's modern footballing business. If you think the next noddy through the door will be given time, you are wrong.

It's very simple; minimum 7th, European footy, and an aggressive attacking style. If you can't manage that or show serious improvement towards it, then do one. Sorry, that's the required standard, must be attained on the job not under some wandering foresighted ‘project'.

No grace period, no wriggle room. Everton keep going until they find someone who can hack it.

Very real, ruthless... but that's the game.

Onwards and hopefully upwards but big changes on the pitch needed as well as manager. Won't win the Derby on a donkey, even with Lester Piggot on board.

Surely we are due a change of fortune and unearth a few gems.

Martinez even made Distin and Jagielka play out the ball from the back... Players can be taught and instructed. Allardyce's style of play and methods of training were simply not good enough...

So you are saying we don't need better quality players to get top 6?

This is not to say that I disagree with the decision – far from it. I just hope we now get it right. Fonseca, Howe and Silva, in that order, are my preferences, but I have a hunch it will be Silva. Let's all get behind whoever it is.

A must read for all Evertonians.

My belief has been we have to many players whom simply not good enough to change our style. It's a risk to hopefully reward in the long term with quality players whom can buy into that style. Sam went back to basics because the players could do that.

As fans are we prepared to wait? Would we take bottom six to change our style of football with new players? If we are in the bottom six come December. Do we panic? If we do panic do we call sam or david? It's not about becareful what you wish for but progress bit by bit. The owner has set his stall out from the board room. These are his people and he has chosen. Biggest changes for decades at the top.

Again next season will bring great expectations and the manager will need a tin hat implementing his methods. I thank sam allardyce for his hard work. It's onto the next chapter .

Had the contract been a 6-month interim manager's job, I think most would have appreciated him more for being the stop-gap he was always meant to be. Instead, he went to type and came across as an opportunist, who only wanted the money.

Thanks, Big Sam, but you're not the right manager to take this club forward. Your skin's thick enough, and your pockets are deep enough not to lose much sleep over some of the criticism you rightly deserve.

Nothing can erase this horrible stain on the hallowed history of Everton Football Club.

Hallelujah.

He did exactly that, the things we are Evertonians hold dear he extinguished.

And yet we still appointed him, I’m afraid Moshiri carries the can for it. No amount making up will let me forget. It’s him, not his managers I have my eye on.

A shameful chapter to remember and a cautionary tale to learn from.

Unfortunately we still have the "Gloom and doom", brigade who have already started complaining about whoever comes in. We have to stay positive as true blue Evertonians usually do. I intend to enjoy the rest of the summer convinced that we have to look better next season. I doubt we could be much worse.

Good luck and goodbye.

The next decision made by Moshiri as to who is next going to be offered the hot seat needs to be well thought out (if the decision has not already been made) but made decisively to give the new manager as much time as possible to bed in.

The new manager needs to be given 2 - 3 transfer windows to clear out the dead wood in the squad and shape a fit, fast paced forward thinking squad of players they want to retain from the existing squad, promote from the youth teams and what they buy in.

Chopping and changing managers every other season is not going to help provide stability to build from. You wouldn't rush when building the foundations of a house so the rebuilding of our club needs patience with the best people available in the correct positions to achieve this given that being realistic the next job is a total rebuild of a squad.

Steavey #81, that's because they don't practise attacking football in training. Allardyce "let them use their imagination". I think most PL-defenses are too well drilled, with too good defenders to hand the responsobility entirely over to the players. The manager needs to drill attacking play into the players, runs, passing, one-two's, targetplaying etc etc to be good at it in games. They need to drill attacking patterns, so the movement and decisionmaking comes from their spine, and then, on top of that, let them use their imagination.

How can you be good at something if you don't practise it? Martinez hardly practised defense, and we saw how that panned out... Every new season we shipped more goals. The drilled defence of Moyes was forgotten season by season...

"Allardyce was presented with a special award at the LMA dinner in London for reaching 1,000 games in management.

He was joined on the table by several members of the Everton staff including assistants Craig Shakespeare, Sammy Lee, Director of Football Steve Walsh and legendary striker Duncan Ferguson."

Emery 16%

Benitez, Howe and Fonseca all on 14%

Silva and Arteta 12%

4 % separating six men in a fluctuating poll which could easily swing either way by tomorrow. . .and there are few others that cant be discounted.

This is more exciting than the footy

Jags and BAinesy arguable 2 of our most consistent players are too old to achieve top level and should only be back up.

Michael Keane just hasnt got it metally or technically.

MF is a major area of weakness with Gueye our only hope.

Up front although I love NIasse and rate Walcott and Sigurdson we really lack a proper number 9 who can score prolifically lke KAne, VArdy and dare I say it Sala.

We need a minimum of 4 quality players to make any progress and we need to dump the ones who are creating a lack of team spirit and winning mentality.

It has been obvious through successive managers that there were issues with this squad and a number of us thoiught it was Lukaku, BArkley and Stones causing unrest. It is painfully obvious that someone is causing instability and it may even emanate from the boardroom,

So he was shocked about something he hadn't been told yet?

I assumed that he meant Everton had told the media, but not Allardyce himself. Anyone able to clarify?

What's with the commas around "board"?

It’s a baby step. It’s the easiest step to take so far. It’s a bare fucking minimum expectation to be rid of this horrible man.

There are others still at the club, and they must be removed too. This includes players, staff and board members.

Like I said, removing pond scum is the easiest part, cleaning the cause of the pollution is the hard part!

The very first post (Dave) is on the money. I can not see anything that Allardyce did. Having 2 experienced and committed full backs made all the difference.

Allardyce will continue to be toxic whilst laughing all the way to the bank and the golf course. A very painful and expensive, and at times distressing 6 months.

With 99% of fellow Evertonians who truly understand our club ......good riddance to bad rubbish.

Colin Metcalfe
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I just got married on the weekend here in Barbados, I thought that was the happiest day of my life until I saw this news 🤣🤣

Shocked — everytime I listened to our former manager.

Disappointed — watching in disbelief at his dreadful style of football.

Disgusted — as he continually set us up like a non-league side against any of the top 6.

Good riddance Big Undies.

Nice work if you can get it.

New manager? Give a chance to Eddie Howe. He is young, British and has a great record with a very small club.

I know you try to keep some editorial neutralty but you both must have been pretty frustrated over the last few months.

The hardest part now is getting rid of some shocking players you couldn’t give away, whilst finding some good ones we don’t pay double value for. A hard year or two lie ahead, no matter who we get in.

Still feels like the air tastes a little sweeter now that dark, stinking cloud has lifted.

When Sam took over, after the West Ham game, we were 13th. We ended 8th. The difference in prize money between the positions was £10 million. So, with an 18-month deal, he effectively covered his own contract and left us a couple of million to pay towards Koeman's severance.

By that I don't mean play them for the sake of playing them. I mean actually hands-on coaching out at Finch Farm with Davies, Baningime, Lookman, Kenny etc. As opposed to sticking them in the under 23s like Luke Garbutt and then when they turn 25 having Unsie say he is going to work on their defending skills.

I think all these kids have potential. Whether they make it or not, who knows. But they've got a better shot if they get some actual technical coaching.

Does anyone know if Ryland Morgans went too or is staying?
He seemed to be well respected.

It won't matter who it is right now but we must get behind him and his team, give them the support they are going to deserve through at least a two-season transition. If we finish 11th next season but play some decent football that we can be proud of, and a team that at least seems to try, then I will feel justified in wanting to get rid of the fat guy.

I realise some might think that's even worse than this season but at least I can go to the Grand Old Lady again as I haven't been since they turned up, and I can once again support the team I love.

For once, there's been no hesitation, no messing about – it's done so let's forget last season ever happened and get behind the new guy and the players and make Goodison Park a place other teams don't fancy playing at.

Look at the Poll results - he may even be a popular choice, and I could forgive his RS past :)

“Me for, you are left with the tools you have. It was all about reorganising Everton because of the huge amount of goals they had conceded before I got there. The club was in a very difficult position.

“It was about getting the players working harder and then start creating as things got better, which is what we tried to do throughout the whole season.

“We bought in Theo Walcott and Cenk Tosun, who added to the goal tally and added more flair to the team, and it improved as time went on.

“If it wasn’t enough for the Everton fans at that time who were showing some discontent, I think there were certainly more fans who were happy with what we were doing than the ones that weren’t.

“The satisfying thing for me was the response of the players and the staff on the position we finished.

“Yes, some of the football could have been better, I agree with that and there’s no doubt about that. We all want to try and create as much entertainment value and results as much as we can.

“I enjoyed the time I had at Everton. It wasn’t long enough, but there we go.

“I was not employed to do a short-term job on this occasion and that was the reason I came back, but in the end for whatever reason it wasn’t enough and I accept that. I don’t hold any grudges.”

I would say I was one of the more "supportive" on here, giving him a chance and saying he was doing the job expected of him, but even I wanted him out. Never wanted him in actually. Sure, once he was in place, I gave him the same benefit of the doubt I would give any Everton manager, but to say that the majority were happy with what he was doing is stretching it enormously. Even if the ToffeeWeb poll was not totally representative of the feelings of the silent majority of match-going supporters, I would say a huge percentage were very unhappy with him, and with the players.

Still, glad he doesn't hold any grudges. But then again, who would, after earning £9m for six months work?

Rightly or wrongly, I thought we were looking down the barrel of relegation at that stage and felt drastic measures were called for.

Sam delivered on the first part of what I expected, but failed miserably to get the fan base on side by playing some decent football. I actually thought he might do that.

I suppose what upset me most about the whole sorry business was how much it upset the match going fans and posters who I respect.

So in a nutshell I was wrong and this post is by way of an apology on my part to my fellow TWrs for backing him.

Any way he is gone now and I have had a good day because Evertonians everywhere are happy.

One thing I have learned from all this is that the Everton gig is a young man's gig - not an old sod like me. I hope the club appoints a young up and coming manager.

For me the one quality the new man must possess is a fighting spirit. If he does Goodison will sense it and come alive again and the pent up emotion of 30 years will be poured out on the unfortunate team that has to participate in our opening game next season. Wouldn't that be something.

Whether it was Tosun or Niasse, they were so isolated from the rest of the team, generally marked by at least two defenders, that it was practically impossible to give them the ball. The midfielders never made a run to join or go past the striker. The wide players stayed wide and only received the ball when they were also closely marked.

So, yes. It is down to the coaching staff.

In addition, I did also say he would then go on the pundit trail advocating and trumpeting his qualities and endeavours. We that has started straightaway with TalkSport today and in a manner that I thought he would.

In my eyes he's finished as a manager but that doesn't stop him pedalling his arrogance and his self-conceited attitude. Even his son chipped in with some cocky comment.

Allardyce should never have been appointed in the first place. He is devisive and operated a self-centred blame policy. The consequences of him moving into a new season could have been far greater than anyone imagined. I saw a comment that anyone could have got us to eighth in this league and I tend to agree with that.

I have been watching Everton for 50 years and I'm not sure I have seen an EFC manager leave in such an arrogant manner. I'd like to say good riddance but this toad of man will keep up his rhetoric for as long as he can and to fuel his sizeable ego.

The guy should have been banned by the FA ages ago and the fact he'll pick up around £9m for 6 months work is an absolute insult over and above the disappointment that this club could stoop so low to hire this corrupt dinosaur.

Elstone also disappearing is a cherry on the cake but am awaiting the real prize in August when Bill fucking Kenwright will finally disappear!

First time I've touched TW or Everton since November (glad for the break actually) but can now 're-focus'.

Onwards and upwards – finally.