Times: Everton withdraw compensation offer in Silva dispute

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According to The Times, Everton are now refusing to recompense Watford for what the Hertfordshire club claim was the tapping up of their former manager, Marco Silva.

The report corroborates suggestions that, following Watford's decision to lodge a formal complaint with the Premier League, the two clubs opened negotiations last month to try and reach a settlement.

The Hornets' hierarchy contend that the Toffees approached Silva illegally when they sounded him out over the possibility of replacing Ronald Koeman as manager at Goodison Park in November.

Everton made two official offers of compensation, the higher reported to have been between £12m and £15m, but both were rejected. Their offer of £1m in compensation tendered last month has since been taken off the table after that, too, was rebuffed.

According to Matt Hughes in The Times, Everton claim to have evidence that Watford made a similar approach to Silva when he was still at Hull City in sending him a draft contract while he was still employed by the Tigers — itself a breach of Premier League rules — a claim they deny on the basis that the Portuguese had a six-month break-clause in his deal.

If the clubs cannot come to any accord over the issue, it will prompt legal proceedings and a panel of arbitration which, some outlets have reported, could at its most extreme result in Everton starting next season with a points deduction. Most observers agree that it is unlikely it would get that far.

Watford, meanwhile, are in the middle of a separate dispute with Silva himself over £750,000 he claims they owe him in unpaid wages following his sacking from his position at Vicarage Road in January.

Source: The Times

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Sean Patton
1 Posted 17/05/2018 at 11:22:32
If we can't have him, then nobody will.

Talk about acting like a jilted spouse — this was 6 months ago and they are still crying about it... but, considering Watford are still whinging about Andy Gray 34 years later, it is no surprise.

Charles Barrow
2 Posted 17/05/2018 at 12:22:23
In short, if there was 'tapping up' that is the tort of inducing breach of contract. So if he had left in December while under contract and without Watford's permission then we'd be liable in law for damages. I assume there is also a FA/Premier League regulation that makes it (inducing breach of contract) a breach of rules with fines and possible points deduction.

Once he'd left he was entitled to sue Watford for wrongful dismissal (in breach of contract as he has a fixed term contract without a break clause). This I believe is subject to court action. He is now free to join Everton. However, it may be that Watford are arguing that the tort of 'interfering with the performance of a contract' has been committed by Everton's behaviour - ie that he couldn't do his job effectively since December that is tantamount to a violation of his contractual terms. However, that is a really wild accusation that I don't think has legs on a number of grounds.

Michael Lynch
3 Posted 17/05/2018 at 12:45:23
So Charles, @139, you're suggesting that we probably have no case to answer in law, but possibly a case to answer under FA/Premier League regulations? I would imagine the latter is actually more of a concern as we could be deducted points (unlikely but nevertheless a possibility) and certainly hit with a massive fine and an embarrasing apology, or be tied up in bureaucracy for part of the close-season?
Charles Barrow
4 Posted 17/05/2018 at 13:02:45
Michael, yeah I think you're right. It is probably all tied up with the internal rules of the League. I assume we are not rolling over on this as it strikes me that Watford are making the complaint to get a bit of dosh for nothing. Everton may well pay them something to make it go away.
Brian Williams
6 Posted 18/05/2018 at 16:01:23
Watford will use/have used the approach that Everton made their approach for Silva public and thus they see this as us "tapping him up".

It's not as though it's not the bloody norm. What they'll be particularly pissed off about is that:

1) We offered £12M compensation which they missed out on by refusing to let him go.

2) They sacked him and will have to pay up his contract.

3) We can now get him for nowt as he's unemployed.

They're kicking up fuck just to try'n to bring in some cash. If I were Moshiri, I'd tell 'em to go fuck themselves.

The timing was very coincidental with Allardyce getting the boot and the media putting Silva as favourite to succeed him.

Fuck 'em, I say.

Tony Twist
8 Posted 18/05/2018 at 20:19:57
This is just what we don't want at this time. It will tarnish the club's name. Let it go Everton, I just think this sort of thing comes back to bite you. You can't trust the FA to be sensible if it concerns anything Everton.
Brian Harrison
9 Posted 18/05/2018 at 20:25:44
I think this is really interesting, I did find it hard to understand how Watford could claim compensation for a man they sacked months ago. But I am sure they had lawyers advising them that they had a case, you could say with Everton offering a compensation payment it looks like an admission of guilt.

But maybe this could be either Everton want to announce Silva as the manager very shortly, and don't want to wait till they reach a settlement with Watford that could take several weeks. Or maybe they hare now looking at someone else and feel as though they don't need to placate Watford with an offer of compensation. Very very interesting, I guess either way we will know very quickly as I get the feeling an announcement on our new manager is imminent.

Neil Lawson
10 Posted 18/05/2018 at 20:29:40
I find this all laughable. If Silva is our man then just go out and employ him and let the rest sort itself out.

If this dispute is central to any decision whether or not to employ him then plainly he is not the right man. We do not want another compromise choice like the despicable loathsome arrogant dishonest recent incumbent whose name can not be repeated within 100 characters of any sentence containing the words Everton and respect.

Lev Vellene
11 Posted 18/05/2018 at 20:35:30
Standing up to the Pozzo family's greed and unreliability? How can that hurt Everton?

And if I remember it right, the approaches were directly to the owners, and Everton were not the party to leak to the press...

Lawrence Green
12 Posted 18/05/2018 at 20:38:43
Like so many others on here, I'm not sure that Silva is the right fit for Everton FC, but if he is Moshiri's choice, then we have to accept that he will eventually become the Everton manager, with his likely appointment costing yet more effort, time and money.

On the other hand, if Brands and Denise are truly in charge of hiring the next Everton manager, perhaps this dispute with Watford is a perfect way of not hiring Silva and for the pair to look at other potential coaches.

It might be a few weeks before the club name the next person to take up the Goodison hot-seat.

Neil Lawson
13 Posted 18/05/2018 at 20:42:00
Have a look at the Hornets Nest (Watford FC) via a Google search. Interesting to read what they are saying in Watford!!
Greg Hasbrouck
14 Posted 18/05/2018 at 20:46:30
If Silva is our man, just hire him. If he's not, move on. We need to move swiftly, as other teams will be sure to do so. What we don't want is to get stuck with our 3rd or 4th choice, simply because our top choices got hired before we acted.
Neil Copeland
17 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:11:20
Must be the attraction of Z cars
Dermot Byrne
18 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:14:14
Just maybe he was never "our" man. Perhaps it was all media/fora gossip and he had someone else in mind with new DoF?
Danny Broderick
22 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:19:59
We should appoint Silva and then drag out any FA enquiry over the next 12 months or so. That way, the yo yo club that is Watford will be back in the Championship where they belong before any decision is made.

I can only think that Watford fans are not all like this muppet Anthony Evans, surely the majority realise that this is just how football works. Agents are always speaking to other players and owners on behalf of clubs - that doesn’t mean the club has done anything wrong. It just means that agents (i.e. a middle man) are putting the feelers out to see if a deal is possible. I can only assume Anthony Evans is young and naive.

Ray Lupton
23 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:23:08
Watford will be down this season. Bung them a million and tell them to do one. We shout tap Richarlison up while were at it for shits and giggles.

Considering some of the high profile tapping up that’s gone on in the Premiere League over the last few years it’s laughable to think that they will be concerned about this stooshie in a tea cup.

Tom McEwan
27 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:33:28
Apart from his obvious failures as a Prem manager, we could set a new 'first' in history, and appoint a manager that has lost us points before a ball is kicked!

Way to go Everton! Keep shooting ourselves in the fucking foot! But this time, over what?

I am going with Simon Jordan's comments regarding Silva. They make a lot of sense with regards to loyalty and rewarding failure.

Ron Marr
28 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:36:57
If Moshiri is genuine with his Champions League aspirations, and his 'money is not an issue while he owns team' comments, then we should be competing with Arsenal for the next manager not Watford.
Eddie Dunn
29 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:37:36
I have a bad feeling about Silva. Let's keep it simple and go for Eddie Howe. A straight forward guy, who was a boyhood blue, who's teams attack. He is young, hungry, upbeat and worth a punt. Just do the right thing and give him a chance.
Paul Jones
30 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:44:44
If Silva was tapped up by Watford while at Hull then he should be able to provide testimony/evidence to prove that.

Happy days all around surely?

Eric Paul
31 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:50:22
I’m with Eddie Dunn
Rob B Williams
32 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:57:06
Let's give Eddie £100M and see Howe Eddie Dunn in 12 months. Is that what you are saying Eddie 29?
John Malone
33 Posted 18/05/2018 at 21:57:26
Brian 9, great point I honestly think Moshiri has privately been trying to get Silva wrapped up for weeks in order to have him and and Brand’s ready to go after Sam got the chop but Watford have made it difficult and have stood in our way.

I doubt very much that Moshiri is going to wait til the end of a long drawn out legal battle in which the summer will be wasted and we could end up losing point’s and more money in compensation to get an unproven manager.

This situation could be a blessing in disguise and could force us to go for my preferred option the proven top class manager ex red spit on the floor Rafa Benitez.

Forget the fact he won trophies for them and had a dig at us when he was their gaffer the fact is he is a proven winner who has won league titles and european cup’s with different team’s across europe he is a professional at what he does and I have no doubt that he would jump at the chance to manage us with a decent transfer kitty.

Also as much some of us will do not the thought due to the red connection they will be absolutely sick at the thought of him wearing blue and being in charge of us, some kopite friend’s of mine have already confirmed that.

It’s a no brainer West Ham fan’s were begging their board to sign him what kind of ambition are we showing going for the ex Hull and Watford manager ffs!

Denver Daniels
34 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:00:43
If Unai Emery was the leading candidate after Roberto was sacked then surely he has to be considered. He might just end up in the Premier League with Arsenal and West Ham both hiring.

I'm not sure where else he can go that's high-profile as there are no big vacancies.

Paul Birmingham
35 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:04:06
For me it’s a bad omen, and Everton has enough on its plate, but I’d prefer Rafa or Emery, as my first choices, to be manager.
Rob Halligan
37 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:11:37
I really don't understand this. We abided by the rules by asking permission from Watford to approach Silva, not once but twice if I remember rightly. They then threaten to report us to the premier league for illegal tapping up, if we didn't back off. We therefore back off and make no further approaches for Silva. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

Their season then goes pear shaped and end up sacking Silva. Certainly no fault of EFC that. The fault lies fairly and squarely with Watford for their season going to pot.

Are they now wanting to claim compensation because Silva is now back on our radar? Well tough shit, is what I'd say to their board. The man is a free agent, and this time we are breaking no rules.

Gordon White
38 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:22:10
As has been suggested, I think news is imminent on the new manager front. Whoever it is, there's never going to be universal agreement between fans.
I don't think the new CEO, DOF, and our owner are anyone's mugs. We have to put the past and the outgoing regime to one side and place some trust in them. If they make a mistake, (everyone is human), they won't waste time in rectifying it. As many have said, this is going to be a plan, a rebuild, that spans a number of seasons. I just hope that we get more entertainment and less of the dross we've had to endure over the past months. On the bright side, we do have some good players, including very promising youth players, there is money available, and a new stadium isn't far away. So there is much to look forward to. I just think we all need to temper our expectations whilst a new team and confidence is built.
Gavin Johnson
39 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:26:31
Excellent news. Sounds like we've done enough due diligence to show that Watford tapped up Silva. Doesn't sound like Watford can do anything. They should have took the money. It's about time they stopped crying and moved on
Bill Gienapp
40 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:27:01
Ron (28) - all signs are pointing to Arteta getting the Arsenal job. At least Silva's resume includes managing an actual match.
Andy Riley
41 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:29:36
Paul 35 - seem to vaguely remember a similar scenario in early 1994 with Norwich and Mike Walker and look what a bad omen that was!
Daniel Bagan
42 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:37:27
Just let it go Everton, starting to give our club a bad name. I really don’t fancy Marco Silva and what our board see in him is beyond me compared to the other names available. I’m starting to just come to senses that these bigger names don’t want to come to our club. If we had one bit of ambition we would pay silly money and make a big fuss to get Simeone here. I’m beginning to get really fucking frustrated with this club
Jose Walsh
43 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:39:47
Serious question -
If this is considered “tapping up” why did we let Barkley waltz out to Chelsea without a murmur and lose £20m on the deal because he got cold field in the summer but then joins them in the January transfer window for £20m less?
Mike Doyle
44 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:43:42
Interesting to hear a Dutch journalist on Radio Merseyside this evening state that of new DOF would have insisted on having a big day/the decision on who is appointed first team manager - apparently that’s what he’s used to (as well as spotting top quality players at bargain prices of course). We watch with interest
Brian Williams
45 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:43:44
Simeone WOULDN'T come to Everton.
We have to be a bit realistic here.
It's "mostly" about money I agree but for managers like him its about reputation too.
We're miles below Atletico in the food chain.
Hurts to say that but it's true.
If you set yourself unrealistic expectations you're only ever gonna be one thing: disappointed!
Gavin Johnson
46 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:48:09
A lot of people are calling for Emery but feel that he's too big for us. I don't. I think we could have Emery if we wanted. I think a big turn off with Emery is that he can't speak English. While it's not insurmountable reason not to employ a manager. Personally, I'd prefer an English speaking manager.
Johan Elmgren
47 Posted 18/05/2018 at 22:52:54
I think it's a plain scam by the Watford-owners to milk us out of money. They were offered a large sum in November, but declined, and now they are regretting that decision. Then they claim tapping-up, and take their case to the FA (or whoever handles such cases). Moshiri don't want a long drawn out investigation and offers them the sum of £1m to avoid such a mess.

However the Watford-dudes are still hurting from that they had the possibililty to get at least £12m and blew it, and want a very large figure to lament their hurt, but Moshiri says "No chance" and therefore now withdraws his offer and gets ready for the fight instead.

If Mosh'll win that fight should depend on if we approached the leading men of Watford to ask permission to take their manager, and never approached the manager himself at all. I hope we did it that way, cause if we did we should have nothing to worry about.

On another note, I think Silva would be immense for us. He'll make all our players pick up a notch, and the youth a lot of notches. He seems to be a manager that gets the best out of his players... I dithered between him and Fonseca, but now that Fonseca signed a new deal at Shakhtar, I think Silva's the best option.

Daniel Bagan
48 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:01:33
Brian, I guess we might aswell all give up our season tickets then an shut up shop now because we are all going to be “disappointed” for the next few years to come. I can reel off five names that are much bigger, more of a statement, shows more ambition and haven’t acutually been relegated. He’s another Martinez, I can just see it now mate, he took Wigan down come to us and got us all hyped over his first season then he got sussed. Silva will be exactly the same! I can’t believe fucking West Ham are interviewing winning managers and here’s Everton going for this fella. Pains me to say it but I’d have the fat Spanish waiter than Silva
David Israel
49 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:09:00
Jose #43, because those Italians are not in charge of Everton. Otherwise, we would now be chasing the Belgian and Dutch FAs for tapping up Roberto Martinez and Ronald Koeman, respectively.
David Currie
50 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:10:47
Tom27, Eddie 29, Agree with both of you regarding Silva. Give Eddie Howe the job he is our best bet to moving forward.
David Israel
51 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:16:13
Rather than a fair charge of tapping-up, this stinks of extortion, and we should report them to the relevant authorities for it.
Andy Riley
52 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:24:16
Everton do have problems in getting deals for managers across the line. I recall some pay freeze legislation prevented us getting Don Revie from Leeds in 1973 (Billy Bingham was appointed) and some other problem stopped us getting Bobby Robson in 1977 (when Gordon Lee got the job). This always puts the person eventually appointed under pressure as it’s clear they weren’t first choice. Considering Silva has been out of work since January it’s hard to see why he coukdn’t be appointed within 24 hours of Allardyce leaving!
Derek Thomas
53 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:25:59
Tell em to piss off...or whatever the legal term is, the money grabbing chancers.
Soren Moyer
54 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:46:00
We should NEVER pay the ransom money!
Eddie Dunn
55 Posted 18/05/2018 at 23:48:22
Rob, 32, yes mate...that is Howe I see it.
Ian Pilkington
56 Posted 18/05/2018 at 00:01:49
Andy@52, it was rumoured that Brian Clough had been approached before Biily Bingham was appointed to replace Harry Catterick in 1973. Don Revie was the most despised manager in English football and would never have been considered. The first appearance at of his Leeds team at Goodison in November 1964 produced what was the worst display of thuggery and gamesmanship that I've ever seen from a visiting side, and he continued with the same tactics, unfortunately with some success, until the FA were stupid enough to appoint him as England manager in 1974.
Andy Crooks
57 Posted 18/05/2018 at 00:10:10
I followed a link on here to a Watford fansite. It made me appreciate what we have here. No debate, no opposing views, just the endorsement of one rant after another.
I was also disturbed to see some very poor anti scouse stereotypical comments. Well done to our editors for not tolerating that sort of stuff against supporters of other clubs. My God, they are bitter against Silva. Our disdain for Moyes does not compare.
Lawrence Green
58 Posted 19/05/2018 at 00:52:40
Ian #56
I vaguely remember Don Revie being linked with the Everton job in the early 1970s but I was a little too young to appreciate the issues surrounding Revie at the time. According to this blog I've just dug out, Revie was indeed considered by John Moores and Everton FC. Perhaps, some of those readers who were older than I at the time can confirm or deny this story.

Since winning the League in 1970, Everton had undergone a period of steep decline. At the end of the 1972/1973 campaign, Harry Catterick was relieved of his managerial position after Everton finished in 17th place in the table, lost at home in the F.A. Cup to Third Division Millwall and attendances had slumped to as low as 21,806 for the visit of Norwich in April. Drastic action was needed and John Moores, the Everton Chairman, was ready to make a sensational high-profile appointment to restore Everton’s fortunes.

Moores had decided to make Don Revie the next Everton manager and the rumours started to surface of his impending appointment. Revie was allegedly seen near Liverpool asking a passer- by for directions to Freshfield where Moores resided. Revie, not untypically, held out for more money to the extent that Everton were prepared to offer an eight-year contract with the added bonus of a £50,000 signing on fee. Once again Everton became the victims of circumstances beyond their control as they were caught out by the Heath Government’s Pay and Prices board which clearly stated that “recruits to existing jobs should not be paid more than the people they replaced”. The deal collapsed, Revie stayed at Leeds and won the League the following season.

As a side note, many middle-class Everton fans had developed the habit of giving their homes names to indicate their rise in social status. A popular choice at the time was “ Notreve”, sure you can work that out. Many of their Red supporting neighbours delighted in changing that overnight to “Notrevie.”

Binghams Robots

Tom McEwan
59 Posted 19/05/2018 at 01:37:40
Good point Bill @40. Silva has managed 42 'actual' matches in the Premier League and won erm 13!! Great record for a 'new beginning' yeah?

Daniel @48, SPOT ON!

FFS people get a grip over this fella! He ain't the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

Jay Wood

60 Posted 19/05/2018 at 02:02:46
Ian @ 56.

"Don Revie was the most despised manager in English football and would never have been considered."

Sorry Ian, but your recall is wrong. Scroll down to the 2nd photo on this link (photo of Revie decked out in a Leeds kit) and read from "Everton's 1970 championship-winning side had disintegrated rapidly with Alan Ball sold to Arsenal."

Revie met with John Moores after Leeds lost the FA Cup to Sunderland and seriously considered a move to us.


Jay Wood

61 Posted 19/05/2018 at 02:05:07
Opps! And in the time I was writing my post, Lawrence @ 58 demonstrates a similar memory to my own!
Andrew Cunningham
62 Posted 19/05/2018 at 02:36:24
Revie was never a contender for the Everton job. Just spell Everton backwards and see what it says. :)
Bill Gienapp
63 Posted 19/05/2018 at 02:44:42
That wasn't really my point Tom (59).

Ron argued that we should be looking at the same caliber of manager that Arsenal is. Well, they appear to be on the brink of hiring someone who literally has ZERO managerial experience at any level. Now Arteta might very well turn out to be awesome, but to act like he's a more enticing candidate than Silva because he spent the past year setting out the cones for Pep is a stretch, to say the least.

Lee Brownlie
64 Posted 19/05/2018 at 03:18:33
Lets send Dunc round with a few pals!!

"Problem, hay, boys?'

As others have said, they really seem to be after money for nowt.. so fuck em.

On another related note, re Bill (#63), making the point [to Tom #59] that '.. to act like he's [Arteta's] a more enticing candidate than Silva because he spent the past year setting out the cones for Pep is a stretch, to say the least. ' Spot and on and brilliant, Bill! Now THATs being realistic.. Love it!!!

Henry Lloyd
65 Posted 19/05/2018 at 03:42:51
To put things into perspective “The Red Shite” hounded Virgil van Dijk for about 2 seasons before finally getting their man!! I remember clearly Southampton threatening legal action toward our devious neighbours!!

Then, of course, when the player stated he wanted to go or he wouldn't play for Southampton, they of course accepted the £75 million for the Dutch idiot to dump us out of the FA Cup.... (that's another story).

Nothing said about illegal approaches from them, is there?

I get sick and tired of Everton always being the Club that for some reason always set a record or first for something pathetic like this.

Man City regularly and still breaching Financial Fair Play rules regarding transfers?

Let's get this straight: Watford are a joke and to pursue this the way they are, in my opinion, is just theft... They are trying to stiff our club because they know we have a shitload of money now. Give them absolutely fuck all and end this pursuit of Marco Silva. Simple.

Chris Davies
66 Posted 19/05/2018 at 03:43:31
For what my opinion's worth (nil), I think the Hornets put him on gardening leave, and here we have the kerfuful.

I also think, @46, if your best idea for a manager is a man that can't communicate with his staff, your idea may be flawed?

The ability to speak to his players is quite high on my list of priorities for the next EFC manager. Call me forward-thinking if ya like...

Justin Doone
67 Posted 19/05/2018 at 03:59:44
I'm iffy about Silva, just like his Premier League career. But he seems to be the constant name... so, presuming he is the only one we are interested in, we must have known this was a possibility.

We are left managerless and looking amateurish once again but now I know why we have a DOF, purely as back against trigger-happy Moshiri. At least he got one in before firing two out.

Unfortunately, unlike a business with the majority of employees getting on with their day jobs, if managers come and go, footballers don't.

Can we not get Team Silva in place (I'm sure he'll be using the same group of coaches as is often the case) to start preparation – or do we think the legal dispute goes for the whole coaching staff?

And after all this, I'll give him 2 years before Moshiri's fingers get twitchy.

Emery is a free agent and, in my eyes, the best remaining candidate. Let's aim for Gold! NSNO

Chris Davies
68 Posted 19/05/2018 at 04:31:47
Justin (#67),

I don't know your profession, but if I had a spare £10m to gamble with, and your previous was flawless, I still wouldn't trust you to manage a team that you couldn't speak to.

Ron Marr
69 Posted 19/05/2018 at 04:59:22
If Moshiri is genuine with his Champions League aspirations, and his 'money is not an issue while he owns team' comments, then we should be competing with Arsenal for the next manager not Watford.
I was not talking specifically about Arteta. He may be favorite with the bookies, but that’s probably because Wenger is pimping him.
Arsenal have reportedly talked to Enrique, Allegri, Nagelsmann, Emery, Jardim as well as Arteta and Viera.

Everton have been linked with Long John Silva and Zorro, with Moyes and MON in the background

Steve Brown
70 Posted 19/05/2018 at 05:06:55
I don't think we should hire someone who doesn't have the united backing of all the supporters - Silva is backed by 12% of fans on this site. Of course, he'll get all our backing at the start, but when things go badly he is toast if 80% of the fan base weren't keen on him in the first place. Arsenal are talking to the right level of talent and we are not.
Steve Brown
71 Posted 19/05/2018 at 05:10:10
That being said, if they hire Arteta they are mad given his zero experience. Putting him in him as assistant manager to a top manager would make more sense in terms of succession planning. But Arsenal have been making bad decisions for a decade.
Duncan McDine
72 Posted 19/05/2018 at 06:57:21
It seems that we’ll end up with him either way. I’d much rather see us go and get Eddie Howe though. I just can’t see Silva being here in 3 years (one way or another).
Mark Tanton
73 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:19:14
Arsenal showing their usual contempt for the fans, in my opinion, by appointing a novice and a continuation of the previous regime. Odd. Love Arteta as a player but we should steer well clear.
Kim Vivian
74 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:27:10
Steve - what the poll is showing us is that really, as a group of people we don't really know who we want as our next manager. If the vote for Silva is 12%, that is telling us that he is the choice of those 12% compared to the other nominees - not that 80% (or 88%) 'do not want him'.

I always thought when voting at a general election it would be interesting if the vote was for your least preferred candidate - that way the government would be chosen as being the least unpopular choice. Based on that premise my vote would have been for Van Gaal (Wenger is simply meaningless - he wont go back into management). As it was my vote went to Eddie Howe.

I cannot present structured argument as to why from a footballing perspective but his achievements at Bournemouth - a club I quite like I think because of Howe - speak for themselves. Surely any weaknesses (eg defensive frailties) can be worked on by his team at Everton. Why, for example could say Howe and Unsworth not work together as a part of a cohesive team, or would there be too much conflict between them? I think Rhino would make a great assistant manager to someone like Howe.

All the bruhaha around Silva looks like turning into its own version of the Gylfi saga and we should look beyond him and move on. I mean, its not like he would be very high up the top 10 of an unlimited choice and as someone points out - I do not see Arsenal courting him among their favourites to replace Wenger.

We are better than that - don't get drawn into a wrangle with the Watford mafia who seem rather more adept in legal conflict than footballing matters. Onward and upward Blues - just get on and get our man and lets get behind him whoever it is.

Colin Glassar
75 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:27:31
Good point Steve. Emery seems to be the favourite with 18% backing. This means 82% prefer another manager. To resolve this I propose we appoint all of the managers in the poll thus keeping the TW community happy.
Steve Brown
76 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:29:55
It's easier than that Colin. If the editors run a poll with Emery or Silva, let's see how the votes would go.
Steve Brown
77 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:43:51
Kim @ 74, I posted on another thread that if we were going for potential I didn't see the logic that Silva was a stronger choice than Howe. I don't think managing 42 premier league games and winning 13 is the basis to hire Silva. Eddie Howe has a 45% win ratio in his second spell with Bournemouth.

Overall, Emery is the the best candidate - 3 Europa League cups, French league title and experience of the Champions League. And available now.

Eddie Dunn
78 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:47:42
Surely we should do another poll with the top 4 on this list, and see where the votes would be spread?
James Hughes
79 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:56:56
Kim, I normally agree with your posts but-
Surely any weaknesses (eg defensive frailties) can be worked on by his team at Everton.

Defensive solidity has not been one of strengths even with Dinosaur in charge. We conceded more than two of the relegated teams and only four clubs conceded more than us, Including B'mouth. So I would argue that we are hardly the place to teach him. Especially if you play Williams and Keane at CB.

But I do agree we give Silva a miss.

Derek Knox
80 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:34:45
Having read all the posts, I was surprised just how many feel the same way as I do, in that we could do a lot better than Silva.

If it was a choice between Silva and Allardyce, he would win hands down, but obviously that is simplifying things too much.

It looks like West Ham are going to get Pellegrini, a Manager who has proved his pedigree, and we persist in going after a Manager who has potential, but a chequered past on loyalty and results, it beggars belief in many ways.

I am hoping that the delay in appointing Silva, (which is looking increasingly likely to be the case) is to assess the possibility of other candidates.

I must admit I would be happier if we were after Unai Emery, or a similar proven Manager, but should it be Silva, I will back him, but with reservation.

Steve Ferns
81 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:06:30
Steve, Silva has a 95% win ratio in the Greek league. We can all get selective with stats. Fact is Silva’s win ratio is almost 53%.

We talk about proven winners, Silva is a proven winner. He’s won 3 titles in 6 seasons. But sure, just dismiss them because they weren’t on this shore.

There’s many more questions over Howe:
- can he do anything away from Bournemouth?
- can he defend?
- can he manage egos?
- can he build a team quickly?
- can he cope with pressure and expectation?
- can he be pragmatic and vary his game plan to suit opposition?
- can his family settle up north?
- can he close out games?

Howe is a much bigger gamble for me and doesn’t have half the reputation that Silva has on the training pitch.

Kim Vivian
82 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:43:27
I do a tally think that with a clean slate Silva could be a good choice based largely on SF's various analyses. However the 'baggage' surrounding this and potential stigma is turning me quite cold tbh.

Time to move on I truly believe. By

Tony Everan
83 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:56:53
Are Watford squeaky clean and irreproachable in their manager and player acquisitions over the last few seasons? That question mark to the left is not big enough.

Us approaching him didn’t effect their expected finishing position either.

They were expected to finish 14th and they did.

Very club has dips in form throughout a season, Watford had a dip and sacked him .

They are being unfair, unreasonable and greedy . Tell them to go away or we will sue for defaming our great club.

Tony Everan
84 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:21:17
Steve 82

In addition , as much as I admire Howe I think Silva could attract a better class of player.

He would have a head start over Howe when wanting to recruit quality players from Portugal, Spain or Latin America. One find or shrewd recruitment could pay his wages in one go.

I’m not saying it is certain, but he will have a head start . The initiation, communication and settling in for such players will be much smoother. He would get more out of them.

It wouldn’t surprise me too much if he turned Sandro’s fortunes around. He is a player who will improve with maturity I am in no doubt of it.

Imagine Sandro scoring 15-20 under Silva , I would be ecstatic for them both.

Derek Turner
85 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:37:10
"Kept our powder dry until they've decided to go back in for Silva, now let's cause them as much inconvenience and financial cost as possible. Hopefully we can disrupt the majority of their close season by tying them up with compensation disputes and an inquiry from the Premier League."

The Watford fan perspective. Charming. Sounds about right as to what could happen with this.

Brian Williams
86 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:51:35
Hey Daniel don't get me wrong mate that wasn't me canvassing for Silva. I'm as unsure about him as you and the rest of us are.

Point I was just making is that NO manager from the very top table will come to us (yet).

Some time in the next few years? I certainly hope so.

Neil Copeland
87 Posted 19/05/2018 at 11:25:48
Derek 86, I read that on WFC forum also along with a whole string of let’s bleed them dry type comments. I am not sure if they realise that any enquiry will disrupt their preparations also and should it find in our favour they will receive little if any compensation,

I think the end result will be that Silva becomes our manager next week with us covering his claim against Watford with some sort of signing on fee. We will probably end up agreeing some sort of pay off with Watford just to make them go away. Unpalletable as this is, it seems like the only real solution to me other than walking away completely which I cannot see happening because too much effort has been put in to throw it all away.

Tony Abrahams
88 Posted 19/05/2018 at 11:59:52
He wanted to leave James, but Watford stood in his way, Results got a lot worse, they must have felt that he had stopped trying, so he was sacked.

I'm not advocating it, but you only have to look on the pitch at Everton and Chelsea, to realise that football is full of cheats, and Everton football club, have just got rid of one of the biggest.

Maybe Silva, is another one, but the rule of football, is to look after number one, especially now there is so much money in the game.

John Wilson
89 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:14:11
Charles states "tort of inducing breach of contract."

Hmm, this is 'commercial law' - and 'equal entities.'

So, do the same rules apply for multi-million pound football clubs that applies in the general area of tort.

It is speculative to suggest that Watford's form suffered owing to approaches made from EFC. Tort works on foreseeability; on duty; breach; causation; on link between Watford FC alleged damages (compensation) and on EFC alleged tortfeasor liability. I don't know the Premier League rules on approaching other PL clubs. I do know that Everton will not have been the only one notwithstanding WFC having approached Hull FC, as the article suggests.

Ian Pilkington
90 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:15:12
Andy@52, Lawrence@58, Jay@60, ToffeeWeb unfortunately wasn’t around in 1973, the only regular sources of information being the Echo and the Daily Post. I had a standing season ticket in those days and went to the matches with a group of friends. We all hated Leeds and Revie and I just don’t remember any speculation at the time as I would been very upset at the thought of him coming to Goodison. We wanted Clough to replace Catterick. It’s a long time ago though!

David Reid
91 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:16:56
One Watford post...
What is confusing to me is why would Everton enter into talks with us if they had done nothing wrong? If they were certain of their position, surely they’d just take the view that we sacked him so he’s fair game? So the fact they’ve got round a table with us last month tells me they know they’ve done wrong - but by failing to come to an agreement with us, they are essentially gambling on us not having evidence of wrongdoing to take to the PL. but you’d think by going to the PL that we must have something against them.
It’s fun reading the Everton forum right now BTW.
If I had to guess, I’d say we will get £12m compensation plus some sort of damages. Unless Everton decide to walk away from Silva and apologise publically like Saints/VVD. Guess it all depends how much they really value having him.
Either way, I really hope the PL are strong on this.

TBH I would consider Brendan Rodgers (look at his record) or if entertaining football is what we are truly after Fulham boss Slavish Jokanovic but I am convinced Brands has come with a list of who he wants to work with maybe Cocu.

Lawrence Green
92 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:22:40
Tapping up is as old as the game itself. No club is immune from it.
Everton are no more guilty than any other club, so too, are they no more virtuous than any other club either.

Truth about Tapping up 2005

Stupid rule

There are probably a million other stories about players and managers being tapped up by clubs, the Silva affair is just another to add to the pile, whether Everton behaved properly or not we don't really know, but as long as the governing bodies don't address it, it will continue to happen.

How do the various rule makers gather enough evidence to prove beyond any doubt that somebody was tapped up? never mind dock points from a 'guilty' party, it will and always has been a nest of vipers and it's just another - albeit unpleasant - part of the world of sport.

John Wilson
93 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:22:47
Does anyone have the link to the Watford forum?
John Wilson
94 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:26:51
I do know in tort law that there is a concept called 'malicious prosecution', ie, where Party A maliciously takes legal action (prosecution) just to put a spanner in the works etc.

What I don't understand is why Everton's lawyers (of course I can only go on what I observe) are seemingly roll over. The burden of proof is in the person who makes the claim. So, why would Everton just offer compensation?

It sounds to me that it is cheaper for Everton to pay off Watford than to engage in a long drawn-out fight which delays Silva coming to Everton.

Phil Smith
95 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:50:04
Feck Watford! Move on already! You sacked him. Move on!
Darren Alexander
96 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:00:01
I know we're Everton and we always seem to make a meal of the most straightforward of deals, but I'm not really sure this is going to be worth all the hassle (actual and potential). Silva isn't my choice (although, of course, I will back him if he gets the job), and I think such messing around should be reserved for those times when you want to land a top-level, world-class manager.

Given the pain in the arse Watford are being (and have been) about all this, makes me think we should give it the swerve; the protracted deal to get Sigurdsson – and even Allardyce, who rinsed us for far more than had we done the deal earlier – is the sort of messy business we should now be looking to avoid.

The changes in the club in recent days gives me hope and reason to believe we can now do swift, effective business, so binning this Silva caper would now be in keeping with this new and positive outlook.

Kim Vivian
97 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:11:08
John – Google 'Hornets Nest Watford'

Access it from there.

Derek Knox
98 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:38:20
I have been looking at the Hornets Nest web page, and trawling through the comments, most of which are acrimonious and vitriolic, there is a common thread of belief that they will be ' compensated '.

None of the comments I read, had any references to Silva in a positive vein whatsoever. You would think that despite all that has happened, there would be the odd post stating that they had lost a good Coach/Manager, but no, nearly all were glad to be rid.

Which I find rather worrying to be honest, I seriously hope that Moshiri has got all his facts together before proceeding with this.

Oliver Molloy
99 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:49:47
I will be surprised if Silva gets the job; if he does, I will be surprised if he is still in control by January 19. Another Roberto in my opinion.
Tony Everan
100 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:52:09

The raw hatred is to be expected though — how would we feel if he went to Man Utd in November because we were 3rd in the table and just beaten them 3-0?

I wouldn't be writing him any references.

Brian Williams
101 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:53:20
Yeh, lads, I mean imagine how we'd have felt if they'd have poached Allardyce from us? :-0
Derek Knox
102 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:02:55
Tony, point taken, but you would expect someone, even in that hypothetical scenario, to say something to the effect, we at long last get a decent coach/manager, and those bastards Man Utd have snatched him.

Which would raise serious questions about his loyalty. :-)

John Raftery
103 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:06:17
The risk of a points deduction may be slight but why take it at all? I wasn't convinced about Silva's suitability last November and nothing has happened since then to change my mind. Apart from being young and foreign the only criterion he seems to meet for many supporters is that he ain't Sam. There must surely be other candidates.

On a different note we beat Watford 2-0, 34 years ago today in what was regarded as a friendly Cup Final. Now they hate us – or rather their keyboard warriors do.

Alan J Thompson
104 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:06:54
It may be a problem if the people considering Watford's claims are the same as dealt with the Niasse deception incident; different rules for different clubs.

This can't be the only case of "tapping up", brought officially or otherwise, but what penalties have been incurred? I can only think of sides being suspended from taking part in the transfer market for a given period albeit I think that has been for approaching players rather than managers.

Craig Walker
105 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:16:31
I don't think Silva is worth the hassle. He seems like Roberto II to me. I'd prefer a proven winner like Rafa. I'm willing to give Silva a chance and Steve Ferns and others argue their case really persuasively but I think we should be aiming higher.

Interview questions should be “what have you won?” 2 should be “how do we beat top 6 sides regularly” 3 “how do we do better away from home?”

I don't see Silva hacking it when the Goodison faithful turn on him. A better manager wouldn't have seen his team struggle because of interest from us. What happens if he starts well and gets linked with a top European side?

Frank Crewe
106 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:17:52
How many of you would have wanted Claudio Ranieri before he went to Leicester?

The worst side Pep ever managed was Barcelona B team. Would he be wanted him straight from that side?

Most of these "elite" managers are good until the transfer money runs out. Then they want another rich club. It would be interesting to see them trying to make something out of unfashionable ordinary run of the mill clubs rather than waltzing into moneybags clubs already full of top notch players. Look at Conte at Chelsea who soon ran out of steam once Pep found his feet and Cities spending kicked in.

Most managers don't get to manage Barca, Real Madrid, or Man City. They have to make do with clubs that don't have the top players or 100s of millions to spend on the squad. Everton are one of those clubs and will get a manager that our real status, and not the elevated one some of our fans imagine we have, allows. Be it Silva or some other guy.

Steve Brown
107 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:47:08
Chris @ 81, selective use of stats? I notice you don't say that any of them are incorrect. You say yourself, Silva's win ratio in England is 30.8% and Howe's is 29.8%. (Frankly, who cares what Silva's win ratio is in Greece?) Neither is compelling.

I actually don't think either is right to take us to the next step, but if we are going for a young, emerging manager then Howe is my choice simply because I question Silva's character and loyalty. Trying to bail on your new club after 8 games is not a great testament.

Matthew Williams
108 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:10:02
Walk away, Blues... this ain't worth the hassle. All this trouble for Martinez Mk 2... jeez!!!

Try just down the road, you did it before, time to take a chance and give the job to a man who would get us playing better and would love the opportunity to manage us and wouldn't be using us as a fucking stepping stone.

Tony Stanley
109 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:16:12
Watford, get over it.
Martin Nicholls
110 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:53:43
Ian, Andy, Lawrence – posts #56 to #58 etc. I was most certainly around at the time and whilst I forget some things these days, I have a bizarre knack for remembering odd things!

I would stake my life on the fact that at the time, the Daily Post, somewhat prematurely carried the banner headline "Good Morning Goodison, Revie's Yours" – we most certainly were after him!

Some years later, we had secured an agreement with Bobby Robson to come here but on this occasion, a premature leak from the Club itself led to Robson withdrawing from the deal, part of which was that he wished to inform the Cobbold family (Ipswich owners) personally that he intended joining us.

Jer Kiernan
111 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:56:17
Tell them they can have Fat Sam and take a hike. I could be wrong but what the fuck are we doing offering to hand them compensation in the first place? Surely this is an admission of guilt in itself??

Just to add, I don't think any of this excuses the woeful trainwreck of results he achieved at Watford before being launched and, to be honest, if it does, we are surely barking up the wrong tree with this guy.

No Silva for me... I prefer Gold.

Sorry, I will get my coat

Steve Ferns
112 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:05:00
Craig, the first question to any of the candidates in the interview should be:

Tell me how you win us the league.

Anyone who doesn’t think they can, or they only can with a £500m budget should not be considered.

Whilst it is unlikely that we will won the league, the Everton manager should aim to do it every season, none of this 40 point crap.

Any manager lacking that ambition or know how is not good enough. They should all have a plan. The key is the execution of that plan.

Guy Mills
113 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:09:12
Is Silva that good that we want to start next season with a point deduction?

If not, should we not be looking elsewhere??

Guy Mills
114 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:20:48
Please can we move on from Silva? I have no faith that the FA won't charge us just to make an example.

The Niasse dive against all the other dives last season shows how the FA want to use us as an example. Just our luck we start with –9 points.

Neil Copeland
115 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:59:35
Steve (#114), spot on.

At the start of every season, I want us to win the lot, why? Delusion – possibly, but more because I am an Evertonian and that is what I expect Everton to be aiming for every season.

If we are not aiming to win everything, then why are we even bothering to compete? That is why Sam had to go and we need a young ambitious, energetic manager or head coach in place. The backing is there, we need to maximise it.

Craig Walker
116 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:27:08
Steve. I couldn't agree more. That's the biggest gripe I had with Allardyce. The moment we even spoke to him, we let it be known that we just want to exist with the big teams and that mediocrity is acceptable.

I still think we can aim higher than Silva though. Nevertheless, he'll have my backing should he become our next manager.

Derek Knox
117 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:35:05
"Any manager lacking that ambition or know-how is not good enough. They should all have a plan. The key is the execution of that plan."

A swivel chair and a white fluffy cat on his knee, too, Mr Bond!

Jay Wood

118 Posted 19/05/2018 at 18:16:43
Ian @ 92. I too was a regular at Goodison Park and away in those days.

As Martin @ 112 recalls, the Revie-to-Everton story was reported in good ole print media and got mentions on radio and TV. I recall many a long debate with other match-going mates on the possibility.

Peter Thistle
119 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:08:57
We need a manager sooner rather than later. Forget Silva, will drag on too long and we don't have time for it. Pick someone else and get planning for next season now !
Paul Birmingham
120 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:57:29
Is true and right. That’s is why, I say the club is what it is. La Vie Cest La to u.Vie.
Paul Birmingham
121 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:00:24
Time is for now and real, future plans.

Everton FC can’t live in the past any more.

Colin Glassar
122 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:50:29
Daily Mail reporting Usmanov is expected to replace Boys Pen Bill shortly. Ucking ‘ell!!
Tony Everan
123 Posted 19/05/2018 at 23:30:58
As long as Alisher doesn’t lay claim to hangin’ off the railings he will be welcome.
Dave Lynch
124 Posted 19/05/2018 at 23:57:44
Nothing ever happens smoothly with us does it?

If this thing drags on another week, bin him and offer the gig to someone else.

We simply cannot wait for too long with the transfer window already open because we have a load of wasters to unload to the lower leagues.

Jer Kiernan
125 Posted 19/05/2018 at 00:08:10
Fingers crossed Usmanov sails up the Mersey on his little boat to help return this club to its once great status. No guarantees in life but the timing could not be better...
Lawrence Green
126 Posted 20/05/2018 at 00:23:29
Colin #
It doesn't exactly report it as a fact, it suggests there is talk of:

The positions of chief executive and director of football have recently changed and there is talk that long-time chairman Bill Kenwright will step down at some stage to be replaced by Alisher Usmanov, who is currently a major shareholder at Arsenal.

I'll believe it when I see it, I'm afraid, we've been led down so man see it, I'm afraid, we've been led down so many garden paths even in the last couple of years that until a manager, player, investor, Stadium, is signed sealed and delivered, I'll treat most things connected to Everton as pure speculation.

Mike Gaynes
127 Posted 20/05/2018 at 00:42:14
Dave (#126), the window has been open for only 48 hours and Brands doesn't even start his new job until June 1. Chill, dude.
Dave Lynch
129 Posted 20/05/2018 at 03:43:10
Wish I could chill Mike.

But this is Everton, the perennial procrastinators.

Phil Walling
130 Posted 20/05/2018 at 06:07:35
If we do get fined nine points, we can always get Big Sam back to save us from relegation !
Jay Griffiths
131 Posted 20/05/2018 at 09:09:56
Someone has already mentioned the shite with Virgil Van Dijk. Been thinking about this since this scenario reared its head again. They did say "sorry" and retreated from the deal, if only on a temporary timescale. This to the FA would be the equivalent to a 12-point deduction. A prestigious apology.

Can't we just say "sorry with bells and stars on" and receive the same treatment they received? What am I thinking! Of course we can't.

Remember, Silva planned out of Hull early. Silva planned out of Watford early whilst on a good run as a springboard. He can cut and run.

I'd take Benitez. As galling as it seems, his family are permanently based on Merseyside and he could prepare the incremental steps we need before Bramley-Moore Dock. We cocked up last season making the same mistake Spurs made after they sold Bale. Expectations too high and a scattergun approach in the transfer market.

We reached for the stars whilst that lot over there stayed quiet, motivated and improved, one player at a time. I'm begging the gods of football to give Real one last Hurrah. I don't want that genie out of the bottle. I'm sure the 70s and 80s helped twist me up.

Nigel Peters
132 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:35:00
I have a strong premonition that this appointment is going to end in tears. What we need particularly with our squad is someone with a strong track record, who knows what they are about and knows how to get the best out of what they have. I would take Dyche, Howe, Wagner even Moyes but please this is not the guy for us, I really don't want another season like the last one.

And let's face it, having played the Allardyce card, there's really only Pulis or Moyes left in the panic Joker pack come December — and neither of them are likely to be available.

Roger Helm
133 Posted 20/05/2018 at 12:37:01
I am not sure what to make of Silva. He has won titles abroad but the Premier League is a far tougher environment.

Also, I am not impressed with Watford's slump after our approach which cost him his job. Either he was distracted and took his eye off the ball, or he downed tools in anger at being denied a move. Neither are much of a recommendation.

I too would prefer Rafa if he would come. He is a proven Premier League operator, and I don't mind his "small club" jibe, which was only banter, and indeed true, insofar as Liverpool is a bigger club than us.

Matthew Williams
134 Posted 20/05/2018 at 12:39:40
"All aboard the Moshiri bandwagon"...top four and C.L glory awaits.

A road that will lead to nowhere Blues! Try a different road, one with realistic aims and goals that ends in silverware and REAL glory. It starts in mid-September and still ends with us going toe-to-toe with the finest team there is in Europe.

It's no surprise our club never thinks outside the box...'cos we never shoot outside it neither!

Salim Rehman
135 Posted 20/05/2018 at 12:43:51
No to Howe, Dyche, Wagner or Moyes unless you want to fight relegation... It's gotta be Rafa, or flavour of the month Silva... with transfer dealings by Mr Brands.
Nicholas Ryan
136 Posted 20/05/2018 at 13:03:51
'Tapping up'. If it's done by someone who's had as wretched a season as we've just had, wouldn't it be 'Tapping Down'.
Paul Kossoff
137 Posted 20/05/2018 at 13:46:18
Roger (#135),

No, Liverpool are not a bigger club than us, they are richer, better run, luckier, but a bigger club? I'll never ever say they are!

John Wilson
138 Posted 20/05/2018 at 13:57:43
Why don't Everton act like a business and interview and employ the best man for the job? Is Silva the best man for the job, the best man for Everton? Is he all we can get?

Why didn't we fight for Pellegrini? Why didn't we fight harder for Fonseca?

Why are we appointing 'care in the community' administrator (ie Everton's Charity entities) to a high position? What does she know about a several hundred million pound football club? She is a professor, that's about it.

Paul Kossoff
139 Posted 20/05/2018 at 14:22:37
John, I said the same thing when she got the job; I thought "Is Bill behind that?" If we are to get to the big boys, we have to aim higher.

Let's hope the rumour that Usmanov is jumping ship and coming to us is true. I'm thinking that Moshiri is another Kenwright but with a bigger wallet. I'm not convinced on Silva, and the thought of giving the FA another stick to beat us with is too much.

Are we out of the mire now Fat Sam is gone, along with the deadwood, or are we treading water?

Pellegrini, Benitez or Dyche... but Silva, I'm not sure.

Jim Bailey
141 Posted 20/05/2018 at 15:30:29
If there's any truth behind the story of Everton being docked points, and if Silva is the one Moshiri wants, then we have to hope that he has taken top-level advice before, or if, he appoints him.

I'd like to think so, but...

Susong Hermawan
142 Posted 20/05/2018 at 15:39:40
Skip, next... (I hope).
Jay Harris
143 Posted 20/05/2018 at 16:26:02
I can't understand the calls for Pellegrini. The only trophy he has won is with an expensively assembled Man City side who leaked goals like a Martinez side – apart from him being too old for us.

Emery would have been my choice but he doesn't want to come.

Silva worries me but we have to give him a chance. It is a done deal so let's get behind the man before deciding he's no good.

Dave Elliott
144 Posted 20/05/2018 at 17:10:48
If Silva is the man then just sign him up and deal with Watford later.
Brian Garside
145 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:14:49
Don´t want him anyway. Chris Hughton for me.
Phillip Warrington
146 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:48:40
Why the hell would we offer any compensation in the first place, which would open Everton up for penalties. If you offer compensation, that means you are admitting you have done something wrong. Everton don't offer compensation to anyone, we start acting like a big club now.
Robin Cannon
147 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:38:00
John (#140),

Moshiri clearly has identified Silva as the best man for the job. Having done so, he's now pursuing hiring him; ie, they're doing exactly what a well-run business would do: identify their candidate and work to hire them.

Whether Silva is the answer as manager, none of us know. Any call either was is subjective, however many stats or win percentages or points per game we throw around.

In which case, I'd prefer the owner of the club to have a clear choice of candidate, move to hire that choice of candidate, and back them to do their job. And that seems to be exactly what we're doing.

Paul Birmingham
148 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:51:40
Based on the media and the RS Echo, it looks like Silva. Not the worst manager linked, but he wasn't in my top three choices.

I hope he proves me wrong all the way.

Salim Rehman
149 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:29:27
If it is Silva, then I will be back him all the way; however, if the saga continues, then there are other candidates too, ie, Rafa... I would love Conte... possibly Ranieri.

I wouldn't mind giving Brendan Rodgers a go; he's had plenty of Premier League experience, with no need to mention whom, and he's doing well at Celtic, Champions League experience there too.

But not Howe, Dyche, Wagner or Houghton... thanks but no thanks.

Jon Withey
150 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:35:16
Pretty strange this acceptance of ex-Liverpool managers — what club are we again?

If Allardyce was hated, I'm not seeing a lot of support for Rafa when results aren't going his way.

No more circus please; just get a decent coach and let Brands help organise the squad.

Steve Ferns
151 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:44:21
I have no problem with Benitez or Rogers coming in, provided they are the best man for the job.

I question whether Benitez is he man he was, particularly without his right hand man, and whether Rogers is capable of building Everton to a level needed to quickly and successfully assault the top 6.

My biggest reservation is what happens when the inevitable downturn in form comes. Will they get less time because of their RS connections? Will the crowd turn quicker? Will the hatred rise quicker? Will it become an untenable position because of this when a manager without their background could have more goodwill and so actually turn it around, despite not actually being as capable.

Paul Birmingham
152 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:06:12
Steve at 153, very valid points. There's fickle and based on the last 30 years, as Evertonians, we have a 6th sense for smelling trouble.

Let's hope the board and Marcel Brands get this one right.

John G Davies
153 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:32:49
Steve Ferns,

I agree with you 100% that our next manager should be a hands-on training pitch coach.

What do you think of Zeliko Buvac?

Len Hawkins
154 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:35:09
Ranieri?? Sam! Sam! Hang on we were only joking! Sam! come back Sam!
Karl Jones
155 Posted 21/05/2018 at 20:38:27
I just can't believe Moshiri wants Silva. It will be a massive mistake hiring him. Looking at his record... 26 matches with Watford (1.12 points/game)... Hull City not much better 22 Matches (1.23 points/game). That's relegation or thereabouts form.

He seems to set up very similar to Martinez and his teams struggle defensively as we saw during the Watford game at Goodison. Why is he even being considered? I don't think he'll even get to 26 matches at Everton.

We seem to have an obsession with buying players from relegated or relegation-haunted teams. That now seems to be the case with the managerial appointments.

Brian Wilkinson
156 Posted 21/05/2018 at 22:11:55
At some point this week, barring any last minute hitches, Silva will be named the new manager.

One or two want Benitez or Arteta; you can rule both of those out right away with Brands coming. Arteta has already turned Arsenal down due to wanting more say. Benitez wants full control of all transfers so again with Brands here will not get what he wants.

Emery will possibly be going to Arsenal, Fonsesca staying at his present club. Plenty of managers out there, but just my opinion, I think Silva will turn out to be a decent manager and he gets my vote.

Only time will tell if it was the right one, but I have a good feeling about Silva.

Justin Doone
157 Posted 22/05/2018 at 12:30:41
Every manager I mention as being my preferred choice gets a new job elsewhere.

So... I want Silva – he's the best, what a man-manager and forward-thinking coach.

Let's see what happens now...

James Power
158 Posted 22/05/2018 at 18:00:14
Silva jumped the Hull ship and then, after 8 games and a hint of thigh from us, he started getting a twitch on and fucked it all up at Watford.

Dodgy for me; speaks to character and I do not like it. Come on, we can't make this mistake, can we?

Dermot Byrne
159 Posted 22/05/2018 at 18:06:24
Sky an hour ago. Seems to repeat a story or maybe they have confirmation?


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