The Priority

While André Gomes has long been regarded as the "must-buy" of the summer, there is a strong case for saying that it is Everton's other loan star who is more important to the Blues' immediate future

Lyndon Lloyd 27/05/2019 53comments  |  Jump to last

For all the overall success of Everton's transfer business in the summer of 2018, it was the signing that almost didn't happen that arguably had the greatest bearing on what was a frustrating but ultimately promising season. Indeed, it's a bit unsettling to ponder how the campaign might have gone had the club not got the paperwork through at almost literally the last minute to sign Kurt Zouma on loan from Chelsea last August.

Yerry Mina was seen as the plumb defensive acquisition on transfer deadline day that month, the protracted negotiations and media-fuelled misdirections finally resulting in the Colombian transferring from Barcelona in a £27m deal. But it would be weeks before Mina was able to make his debut following successive foot injuries that pushed his first appearance into November. With Phil Jagielka picking up a suspension after the opening day draw at Wolves and Mason Holgate struggling to convince new manager Marco Silva he was strong enough to be a regular starter, Zouma stepped into the breach and never looked back.

The Frenchman was a fairly well-known quantity to Evertonians prior to his arrival. A full France international, he had been signed by Chelsea as one for their future and even impressed in their first team when given the opportunity but had been unable to displace the likes of Gary Cahill, David Luiz and Antonio Rà¼diger at Stamford Bridge.

He was sent out on loan for the season to Stoke City and while he was lauded for his performances, he certainly wasn't able to really shine in a team that was eventually relegated to the Championship having conceded 68 goals in the process.

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Regarded, perhaps, as a solid back-up at Goodison Park, few at Everton would have predicted that Zouma would finish 2018-19 as an indispensable member of the first team and, were he not a loan player, would surely have been a front-runner alongside his compatriot and eventual winner Lucas Digne for Everton's Player of the Season award.

His partnership alongside a rejuvenated Michael Keane was by season's end, one of the best in the top flight and played a huge role in the team keeping eight clean sheets in their final 11 games, including a 10-game sequence where they didn't concede a single first-half goal between early February and early May.

Providing speed at the back that Keane lacks along with excellent reading of the game, vital aerial ability and strength in general, Zouma was a picture of consistency for the Blues over the course of the season and now that it has come to an end, the prevailing question is how do Everton keep him?

Under normal circumstances, the chances of the club negotiating a deal with Chelsea would be fairly good. In Rà¼diger and Luiz, the London club have a first-choice central defensive duo that is supplemented by Andreas Christensen, although the Dane is yet to convince that he can match the other two's level. Under Roman Abramovich, Chelsea have had a habit of signing promising young players, loaning them out and then selling them on for healthy fees that they reinvest in more established, top-quality acquisitions for their first-team.

As Everton found to their benefit with Romelu Lukaku and Wolfsburg and Roma also would where Kevin de Bruyne and Mohamed Salah were concerned, Chelsea are apt to letting talented players go if they haven't been entirely convinced… only to see those players go on to move on again for big money. That pattern may change with the benefit of hindsight but with Zouma having been partially out of their sight and therefore partially out of mind, Everton would have been optimistic about doing a deal this summer if it weren't for Chelsea's transfer ban that has just gone into effect.

That censure by Uefa means that they cannot make incoming signings, at least while their appeal of the ban is pending, and with Cahill having been released and Rà¼diger undergoing knee surgery recently, it would seem unlikely that Abramovich and Maurizio Sarri (if he stays at Stamford Bridge) will agree to Zouma's sale if they can't replace him. Ethan Ampadu, Fikayo Tomori and Trevoh Chalobah are all highly-regarded but it's unlikely any of them would be considered ready by the start of next season.

There is also the question of what Zouma himself wants, of course. The defender spoke over the course of this past season of his desire to return to Chelsea a better player next term and while that could also be passed off as the expected rhetoric of a player talking about his parent club, no one could blame him for wanting to go back to London ready to press his claims for a regular starting role in a team competing for the Premier League title and in the Champions League.

He made no secret of how much he enjoyed his time at Goodison and if Chelsea felt he were surplus to their requirements, he would surely jump at the chance to sign permanently for the Toffees. But he might also view the conditions created by the transfer ban as his best chance of breaking back into Chelsea's team and holding down a starting place.

Everton will be doing their best to sign their 2018-19 two loan stars, Zouma and André Gomes, on a permanent deals this summer and while Gomes, with his effortless Iberian skills and potential to fill the Arteta-shaped hole in Evertonian hearts, was long regarded as the priority acquisition, there is a strong case for saying that it is the Gallic defender instead who is more important to the Blues' immediate future.

With Phil Jagielka approaching his 37th birthday and, in all likelihood, the end of his Everton career and question marks over Mina's ability to make the Premier League grade, a centre-half will be high on Brands's shopping list this summer, if not a top priority. While there are decent prospects that an alternative to Gomes could be found in the European market, it's harder to see how the recruitment team could improve on Zouma and if the 24-year-old could be prised away from Chelsea for between £30m and £40m, you would imagine they would move heaven and earth to make it happen.

Together with Keane and Idrissa Gueye, Zouma has formed an impressive defensive unit ahead of Jordan Pickford, one that under-pinned that late-season that has carried Everton into a summer pregnant with possibility and optimism. With Gueye perhaps looking more likely to stay, finding a way of keeping Zouma would keep that in place the foundation from which Silva will look to mount an assault on the top six and beyond in 2019-20.

If only it were that simple but here's hoping…

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Justin Doone
1 Posted 27/05/2019 at 19:50:26
He was the best and most consistent central defender so yes in that regards he is more important.

He's got the pace, strength and ability to be a top-class defender if his reading of the game, decision making and distribution can be improved.

But with Chelsea's transfer ban it is probably the toughest to complete.

Keane is still too prone to errors, over-eager to commit himself and gives the ball away too cheaply. From the little I have witnessed of Mina, he's more Keane than Zouma.

So, if not Zouma, I believe another defender is needed to improve us.

Bobby Mallon
2 Posted 27/05/2019 at 20:01:05
Look, let's just move on as he has stated he wants to play for Chelsea.
Jay Harris
3 Posted 27/05/2019 at 20:04:41
I think he would come if Chelsea would release him but there's little chance of that.

He was the concrete we could have built on but as the saying goes there's plenty of fish in the sea.

We just need to land the right one as MIna and Keane are only 80% of what Zouma offers.

Derek Knox
4 Posted 27/05/2019 at 20:15:20
While the chances of landing him do appear to be very slim, there is also Tomori, who has been on loan at Derby, and with them failing to win promotion he is likely to be recalled, so another CB into the equation.

Like I have mentioned before, there are so many plates spinning in the air at the moment as far as Chelsea is concerned. They allegedly have taken their case to Sports Arbitration Court, there is the Abramovich situation, as is with Sarri, and last but not least the player himself.

We don't know if he wants to stay at Chelsea or what, if he has expressed a desire to leave, as with most clubs including ours, there is little or no point in keeping a player who doesn't want to be there.

I haven't given up on the most used word on TW, hope!

Mike Gaynes
5 Posted 27/05/2019 at 20:25:54
I don't think there's a chance in hell that he will be with us next season.
Sam Hoare
6 Posted 27/05/2019 at 20:40:56
No way we're getting Zouma, I reckon.

For what's it worth, I heard a few whispers that some of the centre-backs on Brands list include Stark, Elvedi and Niakhate from the Bundesliga who have all had good seasons. Also Ferro from Benfica who looks to me as good as his highly rated partner centre-back.

Andy Meighan
7 Posted 27/05/2019 at 21:05:26
Imagine next season the spine of the side:

Pickford (if he gets his head together)
Zouma
Gomes
and a centre forward

Then we're in business. Okay easier said than done. But I truly believe we are only 2 or 3 signings away from challenging the top 4 and I truly believe that.

I've got a really good feeling about this manager. And that's coming from the eternal pessimist.

Paul Birmingham
8 Posted 27/05/2019 at 21:46:06
Let's hope and pray the seemingly impossible dream can come true and we get Zouma signed up. He's budding Captain class, in my view.

So hope eternal and in Marcel Brands; we trust him to deliver in what is going to be an interesting transfer window.

James Stewart
9 Posted 27/05/2019 at 22:27:55
Priority is continuity, making both Gomes and Zouma a must.

Plus a striker, and not an utterly hopeless one like the current crop.

Fran Mitchell
10 Posted 27/05/2019 at 22:41:16
Difficult to call this one. Chelsea are a club in relative* turmoil (how we'd long for turmoil of 3rd place, League Cup final, and a still to play Europa League final).

But, with Hazard likely to go, the future of the rather unpopular manager in doubt, the transfer-ban, Abrahmovich's absence, nobody can really call what is in stall.

In terms of Zouma, yeah, no doubt an excellent player – I disagree with the OP when it suggests it came somewhat as a surprise; I was made up when he came.

Can we keep him? Not until July will we have any idea, but one does wonder to the future of Mina. Will he eventually come good? Or will we cut our losses and build again?

Laurie Hartley
11 Posted 27/05/2019 at 00:04:25
I suppose this is the Catch-22 with loan players – if they are relatively young and a success, then their value increases and, as in the case of both Zouma and Gomes, if there is no option to buy, then you have to fight off interest from other clubs or their parent club.

I really hope we can keep Zouma – he has got 6 or 7 years in him for us. He has a great attitude and plays with 110% commitment. Even at 㿔M, Lyndon, in today's market, that would be good business, in my view.

Fran #10 – I think Mina with a full pre-season at Finch Farm will come good. It would be great to start the season with three very good centre-halves.

Joe Corgan
12 Posted 28/05/2019 at 03:11:59
There is another possibility not addressed in this article... that of another club coming in for him.

Even if Chelsea allow him to leave, it would not surprise me in the slightest to see Manchester United or Spurs come in for him (especially if the oft-mooted Alderweireld-to-Utd deal happens). Arsenal are another top side who will want to strengthen their backline this summer. Let's be honest – he's good enough to improve any of those sides.

Our chances of landing him ourselves? Slim-to-none in my opinion.

Bobby Mallon
13 Posted 28/05/2019 at 05:27:37
The thing that changed our season was the 2-week break, one week before and one week after the blank FA Cup weekend. That's when Silva finally got his tactics across because, before that, we where gash defensively – Zouma also.
Darren Hind
14 Posted 28/05/2019 at 05:36:49
The thing that changed our season was Silva relenting and adopting a more flexible zonal marking system. We started to actually pick up obvious dangers when facing free kicks and corners. If he had persisted in the total zonal system which saw us concede so many stupid goals earlier on, he would be out of work now.

If Zouma goes, he goes; I won't be losing any sleep. He looked as gash as anyone else when we were leaving renowned headers of the ball unmarked. Tweaking the system slightly to suit the players saw an improvement in every one of our defenders.

You can't progress in the modern game with out-and-out defenders. We need a footballing centre-half and after Holgate's stint at right-back, he will come back faster, stronger, wiser and more aware of others.

My money (a substantial amount of it) would be on Holgate proving a far better all-round player than Zouma by going on to having a far more successful career.

Let's hope Silva sees sense and it's with us.

Sam Hoare
16 Posted 28/05/2019 at 08:12:09
Darren, I'd be surprised if Holgate went on to be a better centre-back than Zouma.

For a start, Zouma has a big physical advantage, he's 4 inches taller and naturally stronger and bulkier. Despite this, Zouma is probably as fast if not faster than Holgate.

Experience-wise, Zouma had already played 100 games at centre-back by 22 whereas Holgate has played less than half that. It's a shame West Brom used him as a right-back.

I think Silva will have a good look at Holgate this Summer but again I'd be very surprised to see him starting the season at centre-back for us, he's just not proven himself there yet and represents too big a risk. Unless he really bosses it in pre-season, which I hope he does.

More likely that he will be kept around on the bench as a useful utility player who can fill in at centre-back or right-back. Actually, if he is to be a centre-back, the best thing would be a season at a top Championship club playing there (and not right-back) for a season rather than some sporadic minutes from our bench.

Tony Abrahams
17 Posted 28/05/2019 at 09:03:38
Good point that Sam, because Holgate never played much in his proper position.

I like Holgate, but thought he played very naively as a centre-back last season, and often wonder if he's got the physical strength or even the nouse to become a good enough player in his preferred position?

Questioning his nouse might seem a little bit stupid but he constantly got himself involved in physical battles when he played for Everton last season, even though he must have known that this is definitely not one of his better attributes at the minute.

Maybe he needs to talk to Rio Ferdinand on how to bulk up a bit, because there is definitely a very good player in Mason Holgate.

Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 28/05/2019 at 09:34:17
The odds are looking slim that we sign Zouma, a pity because he is, in my opinion, the best centre-back that we had last season. I shudder at the thought of Keane being one of the mainstays in defence, and I'm not sure of Mina's ability one way or the other.

Time will tell but, if we don't get Zouma, another centre-back is definitely needed. Maybe Holgate deserves a look at, the time at West Brom will have improved his confidence and he is a good footballer.

Brian Harrison
19 Posted 28/05/2019 at 09:54:43
We really need Zouma although I can't see Chelsea letting him go and especially if a new manager comes in to replace Sarri. I thought the understanding he and Keane had developed was the main reason we kept so many clean sheets.

I don't see anyone at the club being a ready-made replacement for Zouma; I think Holgate is a good footballer but he isn't strong enough or big enough to play centre-back. That's why West Brom used him as a full-back rather than a centre-back. We didn't see a lot of Mina through injury last season but I have to say what I did see didn't impress me.

I really hate the loan system because, if a player does well, either his price goes up or the other club decide to keep him or other clubs offering bigger money come and take him. My one plea to Brands and Silva is no more loan players, because you can't build a side that way.

I think the only player a top 6 club have on loan is Higuain at Chelsea, because top clubs won't usually run the risk of losing these players if they prove successful, as Zouma and Gomes have proved.

Steve Carse
20 Posted 28/05/2019 at 10:16:04
There's a tendency these days for centre-backs to be acclaimed principally because they are pleasing on the eye and comfortable on the ball.

Holgate fits the bill in this regard. But he lacks what for me are the most important skills for a centre-back, namely ball winning and heading ability. I can't see him being returned to the squad.

Another loan is far more likely or, if he doesn't have much time left on his contract, a sale.

David Midgley
21 Posted 28/05/2019 at 12:07:53
What do people think of Fabian Schar at Newcastle?
John Raftery
22 Posted 28/05/2019 at 12:14:43
Zouma is the real deal and definitely the top priority for the summer. If there is even the slightest chance we could sign him, we must pursue it.
Tony Abrahams
23 Posted 28/05/2019 at 12:18:24
Pickford came in the top 4 or 5 for keeping clean sheets in the Premier League last season with 14 over the season. He kept 8 in the last 11 games, which shows me how vital that 17-day break was for Silva and his squad.

What happened? Darren reckons Silva tweaked the zonal system, but I'm not that sure myself, so I couldn't disagree with him, but I also think Pickford has been a different keeper since he quite rightly got destroyed off everyone after the Newcastle game, and this game was the biggest turning point of the season imo.

Jack Convery
24 Posted 28/05/2019 at 12:32:07
Only if Zouma and his agent told Everton he wants to sign, will we see him back next season. He has to sing to Chelsea's tune with regards to the transfer ban; otherwise, he would be off to pastures new.

As has previously been stated, Man Utd, Arsenal & Spurs will all be looking for new centre-backs next season, never mind teams abroad who will have noticed his performances for us. I want him to sign but will Chelsea sell and does he want to come back? Let's hope so. We are weaker without him right now.

Si Smith
25 Posted 28/05/2019 at 12:51:42
I've said it before, Zouma played excellent for us, but if I had to choose between him and Gomes, then Gomes wins every time.

We have nothing like Gomes in our squad, he seems to have the lot: size, strength, skill and, most of all, a football brain.

Zouma is a solid defender, there is no doubting that, his speed adds another dimension to our defence. That said, we have Keane and we paid a fortune for Mina. I'd like to believe Silva and Brands got that signing right.

Also, Holgate is back, he's already proven he's a Premier League defender, he has a lot of ability and needs a clear pathway to the first team.

Then there is the U23 captain, Morgan Feeney, again there has to be a pathway for this lad. Too much playing U23 football can hinder a footballer's career, look at players like Pennington and Browning, in comparison to lads like Duffy and Mustafi who chose to seek out first-team football.

Back to Gomes, he is a must. I just hope we don't find out the hard way how big a loss he will be if he's not signed up asap.

Bob Parrington
26 Posted 28/05/2019 at 13:28:24
Lyndon, My first thought is to congratulate you on a really well presented article here. Well done. You articulate your thoughts so well and clearly you have given significant thought to the situation. Thank you!

I happen to agree that the most important signing we could make this summer is Zouma. IMO defences win tournament and attacks win games. Kurt has steadied the defence. You made the point that he reads the game. Spot on! When it comes to the position Chelsea is in, I do have to ask the question as to why it is that, when Everton wants to do something positive, there is always some stupid EPL decision that gets in the way? This has happened too often.

Okay, we have Yerri Mina. He has looked okay but injury prone.

I'm not sure where we go if the Kurt Zouma transfer is not allowed!

Pat Kelly
27 Posted 28/05/2019 at 15:39:24
The thought of losing Zouma is taking the edge off the excitement of possibly signing Welbeck.
John G Davies
28 Posted 28/05/2019 at 15:46:21
The bottom line?

Zouma is and always will be a better defender than Holgate.
I would make Zouma captain if we can keep him.

John Pierce
29 Posted 28/05/2019 at 15:52:18
I think maybe it's less about him, more about the style of player he is. The scenario looks unlikely but you'd hope that type of player is there for Brands to either buy but, given our other deficiencies, loan, if we cannot get Zouma.

Keane and Mina are too similar and I think long- term there's probably only room for one of them. So, for the balance of the side, we do need to find a centre-back with mobility and pace.

Pairing Mina & Keane would I think set both players back. Mina to date looks unpredictable, and rash; however, has had some good games, namely, against better opponents. I do look at him and think, mentally, he's a bit short when it comes to playing poorer sides.

Keane plays well in a system and needs certainty, not an off-the-cuff player or doesn't do well when his partner changes regularly, too rigid for me but very solid nonetheless.

So to the point: for the overall shape and stability that the team found in the dog days of the season, a centre-back of the same ilk – if not Zouma – is more important than Gomes.

Sam Hoare
30 Posted 28/05/2019 at 17:06:58
Si@25 I'm curious why you think Gomes is so essential. He looks good on the ball and is composed at times but that's not enough surely?

Last season he got 0.2 key passes per match. That is half the amount of Schneiderlin and Gueye. Also less than Tom Davies.

Tackles and interceptions wise he also made significantly less than Gueye, Schneiderlin and Davies whilst giving away more fouls.

The only area he outstrips them is in dribbling/ball carrying. Though perhaps as a result he is dispossessed a lot more.

The more I look at his stats the more I think Gomes is not nearly as good as he (occasionally) looks. Our performance during his suspension attests to this.

If we can get him for £18-£23m then perhaps it's worth it for continuity but otherwise I think there are other better, cheaper options out there such as Sangare, Zakaria, Samassekou etc

Peter Warren
31 Posted 28/05/2019 at 17:28:54
Think Zouma is a good player and obviously little risk signing. However, he's no John Stones yet alone John Terry, Ferdinand or (dare I say it) a Hyppia lynchpin. He is replaceable.

I note Sam's comments above but don't pay too much attention to stats and my view is Gomes is class. He effortlessly controls games at times and I only see him getting better and better. I would be gutted to lose him. I hope we get both but consider it unlikely that we get either.

Jay Harris
32 Posted 28/05/2019 at 17:53:25
Sam, I totally agree with you.

Zouma is a must buy (if possible) and Gomes I am on the fence about.

Gomes in these days of high press gets caught on the ball a lot and has very little goal threat.

His main attribute is his passing ability but I think we can do much better with time to shop around and also he hasn't (as far as we now) stated his desire to be at Everton next season, whereas I would have expected him to be demanding the move if he wanted to be here.

Si Smith
33 Posted 28/05/2019 at 19:58:05
Sam and Jay, thanks for your feedback/comments, but I just think Gomes takes us up a level.

First season is often difficult for foreign players coming the prem, yet Gomes showed me enough to make me believe he will be a massive success here.

He plays a roll were stats don't do him justice, he isn't the holding midfielder, he isn't the attacking midfielder either, he plays more box to box, just doing a bit of everything, he reminds me of Dembele when he was at Spurs, he doesn't get great numbers, but he is a colossus in the middle of the park.

Dont get me wrong I'm not saying hes been unbelievable in any way, but I would say he has shown enough to prove he could do much more.

Also I put him over Zouma due to the fact Mina should come good or our management have made a howler, and I rate Holgate who is still very young and developing physically.


Phil Martin
34 Posted 28/05/2019 at 20:03:23
Zouma isn't coming back. Chelsea in the Champions League with a transfer ban next season, will almost certainly mean they'll offer him a new contract to stay. He'll be afforded regular first-team action and there is really no incentive for him to return here.
Sam Hoare
35 Posted 28/05/2019 at 22:57:36
Si @33,

I know stats can be a divisive issue and lord knows they can be misleading but sometimes they can be informative and objective where our eyes and hearts mislead us.

I do like Gomes and I think he's a decent player. I just don't think he's as good as he looks and some of us give him too much credit as we have been starved for so long of a technician and ball carrier in the middle.

For example, you compare him to Dembele (one of my faves) but the Belgian had superior stats at Tottenham for key passes, tackles interceptions etc per game.

I know many will rightly believe their gut feeling on a player over statistics (and I feel that way with Bernard) but I worry that Gomes is all style and no substance. If we are to spend 㿊m on him, then we need to see a lot more of Gomes away at West Ham than the Gomes away at Newcastle!

Jay Harris
36 Posted 28/05/2019 at 23:49:05
Si,

My view is that, if we saw the Gomes that played in the first few weeks of getting in the team, I would say Yes... but I am coloured by the fact the Barca fans can't wait to see the back of him after being rubbish for them and he never recovered the early form as he got more regular games with us – in fact, he robbed us of a rare victory away at Spurs by losing the ball in possession and then stupidly fouling on the edge of our box.

Don't get me wrong – I think he is better than some of our other options... but I think for 㿊M we could do a lot better.

Kevin Prytherch
37 Posted 29/05/2019 at 00:12:38
Granted Zouma finished the season strongly and I would personally like to keep him...

But let's not kid ourselves in imagining he was this rock of a player all season.

A lot of his performances at the start and middle of the season left me with serious reservations; he looked like he had a mistake in him, was suspect positionally and was at times very poor in set pieces.

By the end of the season, though, he had definitely improved to be our best centre-back.

Darren Hind
38 Posted 29/05/2019 at 06:38:38
Sam

You are beginning to sound like a certain other poster who often comes on here trying to defeat intelligent informed arguments with foolish meaningless stats...

The reason Holgate hasn't played 100 games is because the current manager doesn't like his footballing style. He clearly prefers the big stopper.

Zouma may be 4 inches taller, but so is John Cleese. He may be bulkier but so is Ann Widdecombe. These are the sort of meaningless stats which drive me nuts.

Silva opted for the "lighthouse type" centre-back last season. I hope he changes his mind or his hand is forced, because, despite their height, they were systematically murdered in the air.

I prefer footballers to stoppers who don't always stop and in Holgate we have a footballer. He may not be as fast as Zouma once the big fella has gotten into his stride, but he would murder him over 10-15 metres (when it counts).

You talk about Zouma's experience, but half of last season he was very poor and the season before he was being relegated – not many top centre-halves with that on their CV!

I was pleased with his improved form in the latter stages of the season, but I feel there has been a complete over-reaction to it on here. Same with Keane. I'd have been more impressed if they played as well without Gana putting in superhuman efforts to kill opposition attacks before they got that far.

Zouma isn't 25 until October. He's still a baby by centre-half standards. He will improve still further and I would be happy to keep him, but he ain't never going to be a Bobby Moore or Colin Todd (check out their heights). It would be good to keep him, but it won't be a disaster if we don't.


Sam Hoare
39 Posted 29/05/2019 at 07:45:24
Ha Darren, I know how you hate stats but surely you can admit the possibility that they are used as part of an intelligent informed argument?

In terms of games played I'm not suggesting that is clear proof of Zouma's superiority but that it suggests the Frenchman has had more opportunity to learn.

As for height and bulk I reckon John Cleese would win more headers than Danny De Vito and Widdecombe would be harder to shove off the ball than Rees-Mogg.

I agree Holgate looks a proper footballer though his passing is in need of work still. But he's not going to become a great CB unless he gets more games there, how else will he learn the positioning instincts and decision making crucial to top operators there?

It's not a disaster if Zouma does not return (and I highly doubt he will) but it's a great shame as he had by the end of the season built a great partnership with Keane and was clearly (finally) understanding what it was that Silva wanted. That will likely take time for a new player to achieve and personally I thought Zouma's combination of physical presence and surprising speed offered the ideal component to our defensive setup.

Bob Parrington
40 Posted 29/05/2019 at 10:04:32
Chuckle!
Martin Mason
41 Posted 29/05/2019 at 21:03:51
Darren, I completely disagree. Chelsea have played Zouma successfully in midfield and the playmaker/defender is absolutely essential in modern football as against the Lighthouse model just heading the ball away. Zouma has shown this year that he has everything that a top class centre back needs. We will miss him when he either goes back to Chelsea or finds a better loan deal. We will survive it though as we must do.
Si Smith
42 Posted 29/05/2019 at 21:54:20
Jay and Sam, thanks again, appreciate your comments, great that football is all about opinions.


Darren; re Holgate, I concur with many of your thoughts about him. I'd like to see him given a lot of games next season; imo, he could play right-back and defensive midfield at times as well as centre-half, especially when used off the bench.

He could play 30+ games in our first team in different positions, especially if we loaned out Jonjoe Kenny too.

Dale Rose
43 Posted 30/05/2019 at 12:21:36
I really like this guy. Very committed player and has done well for us. Would love to keep him, but transfer market errors in the past may prevent this.
Peter Howard
44 Posted 31/05/2019 at 10:38:24
Sam

Widdecombe is hard to shake off and she also has a crackin' change of direction.

Darren Hind
45 Posted 31/05/2019 at 11:19:14
Martin

Regardless of what you have read on Wiki. Zouma only played in midfield in an emergency for Chelsea or brought on to strengthen up defence. He was not selected before proper midfield players. A playmaker, he most definitely is not

Jagielka played in midfield, but nobody mistook him for Pirlo.

A fooballing center half has to be able to comfortably step out of defence and start the counter. Not just charge forward through panic.

Players like Zouma - Powerhouses who can shrug of most attackers with ease - will always have a place in the EPL.
Holgate is a natural footballer and would bring something totally different.

I think Zouma was impressive in the latter stages of the season, but my memory is seemingly better than yours. I remember him and the other two lighthouses looking distinctly average for much of it.
Before our center halves grew bollocks for the home derby, people like Danny De Vito would have been licking their lips at the prospect of facing them.

Player of the years shouts for the big fella were embarrassing. A season is over 38 games, not 15


Jay Harris
46 Posted 31/05/2019 at 19:49:09
I personally don't care where or when Zouma played for Chelsea all I can say is my eyes tell me he is the best CB we have seen in a blue shirt since Jags and Lescott were at their peak.

Any comparison with Mason Holgate is irrelevant.

Holgate and Keane were a disaster together and only the much maligned Ashley Williams formed a decent partnership with Holgate.

The fact is we will be a much poorer side without Zouma.

Steve Hogan
47 Posted 31/05/2019 at 20:27:14
Have to agree with Darren (45) re Zouma. When he first started to play in the first team, I thought he looked cumbersome and a little pedestrian to be honest.

In the Spurs embarrassment at Goodison, he and a few other's looked shellshocked at what was happening around them. To be honest, I didn't think he would recover after that as his confidence looked shattered.

Only as the team slowly produced better results, his own form improved dramatically.

My big concern is Yerry Mina, having spunked £27m on him, I've yet to see conclusive evidence he will shake of the 'sicknote' tag in the long term, to ever put together a 10-15 game run to become a regular member of the team.

Martin O'Connor
48 Posted 31/05/2019 at 22:01:36
May depend on if Chelsea's appeal is successful, but fome if we could only get one of the two loan signings from last season then it would deffo be Zouma over Gomes.

Think with a fully fit Mina and a hopefully improved Holgate then with Zouma and Keane (if he can keep up his improved form. still think he has a mistake in him) we will be looking ok in central defence

Tony Hill
49 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:51:23
When I first saw Holgate, he looked a massive prospect and I haven't changed my mind. Of course, he's been erratic but I think he has instinctive positional sense as a defender and he has a nasty, arrogant streak which is always good in a footballer.

That nasty arrogance needs controlling though. My only worry about him is that he may lose focus. This coming season is crucial for him. 23 in October, I think he could be a very serious central defensive talent. But he has to choose the right path, and earn the right to think well of himself.

Tony Everan
50 Posted 03/06/2019 at 15:50:05
I would agree that signing Zouma is a priority, if we can. He enjoys playing with Keane and the two of them compliment each other. It would be a shame to break up a blossoming solid partnership that would be rock solid for us for years to come.


I think with a run of games Mina could adapt better. He is still young, learning and developing a bit, the one thing that worries me is his injuries. Is it bad luck or his physiology?

Frank Sheppard
51 Posted 04/06/2019 at 08:34:18
If Chelsea don't want him back, I am sure that Man U and or Spurs would be very interested. We obviously can't compete with clubs in the CL. Seems unlikely we will be able to keep him, which is a big shame. Here's hoping.
Denis Richardson
52 Posted 06/06/2019 at 15:39:29
Think the poll says it all - we badly need a top quality striker.

Zouma did a decent job but I'd hope (pray) Mina can step up given he cost us 㿇m and is one of our top earners. Mina's got to be starting regularly to justify his expense.

If Zouma joins on a perm that'll be great but we seriously then need to figure out what we do with Mina. A guy on 𧴰k/week should not be warming the bench.

Martin Clark
53 Posted 14/06/2019 at 13:59:35
It's looking like we might sign Gomes according to most reports. I wonder if the possible free option of Rabiot is the holdup (wishful thinking). Would love both but then you'd have the issue of fitting into the side.
It would be great to get Zouma, he was solid in the run in and consistency Would be a huge bonus as he would settle quickly.
It's also important to have a number of good centre backs to increase competition and rotate if form or injury requires so wouldn't worry how Mina would fit in, but hopefully he performs as he did against Chelsea on both occasions as a standard and I'd be happy.
Another strongly linked player is David Neres. He looks exciting and would have healthy options with our wide attackers. Hopefully this isn't with the aim of pushing Richalison into centre forward as he did ok but we would really benefit from having a natural goal scorer added.
Am very hopeful!
Danny Baily
54 Posted 21/06/2019 at 10:46:56
Would be good to get him. Worth remebering that he's been an integral part of two shaky and highly inconsistent defences in the last two years, one of which was relegated. With that in mind I wouldn't sign him at all costs.

We're busy signing previously loaned players to keep together a team that was ultimately very disappointing, bordering on a disgrace at times last season.


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