Everton 3 - 1 Rotherham United
Kieran Dowell makes his first start of the new season, as do Kurt Zouma, Jonjoe Kenny and Sandro Ramirez
Everton are into the draw for the Carabao Cup third round after what was a largely comfortable win over Championship side Rotherham United.
In addition to the changes enforced by the injury to Michael Keane and Richarlison's suspension, Marco Silva made six other alterations to the team that started at Bournemouth, with Jonjoe Kenny and Lucas Digne coming into the fullback positions, Kieran Dowell and Sandro Ramirez the wide men, and Oumar Niasse and Dominic Calvert-Lewin starting up front.
Sandro remains the subject of speculation linking him with a return to La Lige on loan, with some reports suggesting he could be off to Real Sociedad, but he got another opportunity to prove his worth in the team.
Tom Davies was the designated holding midfielder in Idrissa Gueye's absence through injury and the young midfielder was given the honour of captaining the side for the first time by Silva.
There was no place in the squad for Ademola Lookman, however, with the official line being he has a groin problem while Bernard, a player who it was assumed would also make his home debut, apparently had a muscle strain. Idrissa Gueye, meanwhile, had a knee strain and wasn't in the squad.
In front of the highest attendance for a League Cup second round tie at Goodison Park for 50 years, Everton started in nervy fashion at the back but a nice move involving Digne and Niasse almost generated a first opening for the home side in the early minutes.
Gylfi Sigurdsson forced the first save from Price in the Rotherham goal midway through the first half but though the 'keeper spilled it, he was able to save again as Calvert-Lewin slid in.
Everton did score a few minutes later, however, to settle the nerves. Sandro took on his man and fired the ball across the box, Sigurdsson stuck out a leg and diverted it past the 'keeper to make it 1-0.
Rotherham came very close to equalising almost immediately but the ball ricocheted off Zouma and bounced wide of Stekelenburg's goal.
Back at the other end, Sandro cut in from the left flank and tried one from distance that Price again spilled but it eluded Sigurdsson in front of goal.
The Blues continued to look a little ragged at times at the back and Sean Raggett should have equalised but spurned a great chance but Everton responded with Davies side-footing a shot that Price got behind to deny the midfielder six minutes before the break.
Niasse had the final effort of the first half when he connected with Kenny's cross but the Senegalese striker could only put his volley into the stand behind the goal.
Everton were the stronger team in the early stages of the second half and when a Sigurdsson free kick just past the hour mark bounced to Digne, the Frenchman swung a cross to the back post where Calvert-Lewin nodded home to double the advantage.
Niasse should have made it three not long afterwards but he headed Sandro's cross over from six yards out.
Rotherham rallied late in the game and went disturbingly close to making the game interesting before Stekelenburg was forced into a save with five minutes to go.
And from the resulting corner, a glancing header was sailed in by Will Vaulks to make it 2-1.
The Rotherham comeback was snuffed out immediately at the other end, however, when Calvert-Lewin cut back on his right foot and curled a beauty over Price and inside the far post to restore Everton's two-goal advantage.
Everton: Stekelenburg, Kenny, Holgate, Zouma, Digne [Y], Sigurdsson (66' Walcott), Davies, Dowell, Ramirez (86' Schneiderlin), Niasse (73' Tosun), Calvert-Lewin. Subs not Used: Virginia, Baines, Coleman, Pennington.Attendance: 31,972
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1 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:51:31
2 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:51:34
3 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:52:34
4 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:54:04
5 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:54:47
6 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:55:18
7 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:55:19
8 Posted 29/08/2018 at 18:58:16
9 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:00:39
Unless Lookman really is injured, or Silva just thinks his head won't be right until the transfer window is shut.
10 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:05:27
11 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:13:53
But, Sandro? Really? Sketelenburg? Three spectators in midfield, slow-motion moving Dowell to stand around for 90 minutes between fighting with Siggy over corner-kick duty. Niasse as a wild card is the only hope really.
Maybe he can do it all by himself and hope the strangers in the back four quickly strike up a good understanding. Is Calvert-Lewin injured? Three defenders and a defensive mid on the bench? Are we hoping to nick a goal and park the bus?
12 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:14:34
Bernard: where the hell is he — did he get injured in the few minutes he played Saturday?
Ramirez — WTF? He's leaving. We play him. He gets injured. Deal off. Everton that.
13 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:15:32
If so they the price should be set extremely high as ze Germaans have a lot of money banked from their own sales.
14 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:17:18
15 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:18:25
The Echo has it the same, so I think we can assume it's right.
16 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:19:28
Lookman is off. Why play Sandro? Who wants to see him play? Are we keeping him warmed up for a loan deal!
Guess we've no interest in this cup. Just like every other Premier League club.
17 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:19:42
18 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:20:40
According to the Everton Site:
-Lookman is ruled out with a groin injury
- Gueye has a knee strain
- Bernard has a muscle strain.
- Gomes has suffered a set back with his hamstring injury & will be out for a further 3 weeks.
- Jagielka has a knee cartilage injury that will rule him out for the next 3 weeks.
19 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:22:20
It's certainly an attacking lineup. I note Rotherham have made EIGHT changes from their last Championship game, so they are not exactly at full strength themselves.
Two seasons ago Norwich of the Championship did similar...and still turned us over 2-0 at Goodison, so our boys need to be on it from the off.
This is a chance for a number to push their case to be in, or closer to, the starting XI. If that isn't motivation enough, what is?
20 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:24:05
21 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:30:44
22 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:30:44
23 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:38:51
24 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:49:37
Already up and running with live audio commentary.
Not sure if it's available for UK-based Blues.
25 Posted 29/08/2018 at 19:55:49
26 Posted 29/08/2018 at 20:15:44
27 Posted 29/08/2018 at 20:44:58
It's a much changed side with Dowell in the playmaker role and we're comfortably slicing them open in attack. Three changes at the back, four with the keeper, and it shows.
28 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:18:15
29 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:32:46
30 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:39:51
31 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:39:56
32 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:44:33
Richarlison was at the game, he tried to drive (as a passenger) down Gwladys Street when he got a few looks and then mobbed!
Don't ask me what formation we were playing. It looked like Calvert-Lewin was up to top. Sandro was wide, mainly on the right. Gylfi was left but came inside. No idea where Niasse was meant to be, surely not the no10, but that's where he was the most. Any ideas?
33 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:45:03
I'm away on hols at the moment — how did the boys play?
34 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:45:48
35 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:46:40
36 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:48:25
Only an even money shot, but a cert is a cert.
37 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:49:51
And Dowell — how did he fare?
I would normally have listened to the OS radio commentary but I was eating late in a cracking hotel/pub in Exford and couldn't be so rude as to listen at the restaurant table!
38 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:50:05
39 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:54:04
It sounds like Kenny, Dowell, Davies and Calvert-Lewin all played well.
Quite amusing, glancing at the live forum, how some who clearly don't care for Tom and Dominic in particular tried to give the impression that they were watching the game, and making judgement calls on plays that they couldn't see.
Here are Everton's 3 goals:
Siggy with the first: Link
Calvert-Lewin with the second: Link
And Calvert-Lewin again with the third: Link
40 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:54:59
Dowell played alright, he'd hope for better. He was deep in a playmaking role alongside Davies. He had a few chances and looked more comfortable when Schneiderlin came on and he went forwards.
32,000, not a bad attendance. But it was a very quiet crowd.
41 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:56:10
42 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:57:46
43 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:58:23
Sandro on the other hand has work to do as his solitary Everton career goal has now been equaled by a solitary career goal by Saido Berahinho at Stoke. Stekelenburg was good 10 years ago, Dowell has to learn to run, tackle, participate and do more than just take a few nice pot shots. Zonal marking? wonder if that will be Silva's Achilles heel?
44 Posted 29/08/2018 at 21:59:17
46 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:01:28
47 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:02:40
48 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:04:47
Did you see the finish for the 3rd?
49 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:05:55
Why he'd be risked is beyond me. It doesn't make sense.
50 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:08:49
No I didn't see it so maybe he has improved. I was basing my comments on watching him over last season. A lot of times he seemed to scuff it or hit a weak shot at the keeper, even a few of his goals trickled over the line. If he got a good goal tonight that is indicative of a general improvement then I will be over the moon.
51 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:09:41
I am really puzzled that a highly paid coach cannot organise a defence.
52 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:10:00
If that is true it does seem reckless to risk him getting injured tonight.
53 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:11:36
Defensvely we are shocking. Any sort of set piece we are liable to concede. They had a couple of really decent chances they should have buried but then so did Niasse!
I cannot see us keeping a clean sheet against anyone this season unless Silva sorts this zonal shit out quickly.
54 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:11:54
Tom Davies had an outstanding game. Nothing Hollywood but everything he did he did well.
Holgate was also outstanding.
55 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:12:07
Duff free kick from Siggy into the wall, quickly picked up by Digne who easily made space for himself and hung up a beaut of a ball to the back post for Calvert-Lewin to head in. Good movement by Calvert-Lewin to keep onside and remain in a threatening position after Siggy's failed free kick.
The third goal is a beaut, from back to front. Zouma from central defence to Digne at left back. Long ball played into the Rotherham half, headed clear towards the touchline by a central defender. Calvert-Lewin gathers the ball in tight to the touchline with a defender up his backside. Protects it well and lays it back in a tight situation to Digne. The ball seems to bounce off the full-back, rather than be a controlled pass, to Tosun, who lays off a short ball to Tom Davies near the centre circle in Rotherham's half.
Tom comfortably carries the ball forward 20 yards to the edge of their penalty area before playing in Calvert-Lewin (who kept moving from his earlier play), on the left, in their penalty area, perhaps more or less parallel with the penalty spot.
Calvert-Lewin controls and drags the ball back a tad with one touch and with his second touch, curls a beauty into the top right corner.
Rubbish that Calvert-Lewin, inhe?
56 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:13:19
I know where you are with the shooting of Dom, he is very raw and I agree with you on your point. I think he has got a chance of being a decent forward though.
57 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:13:30
In fairness, Silva identified CB as a problem area. His number one target Mina has yet to play, his first back-up was Jags -- sent off in game one, next option Keane -- stretchered off game 3, next option Holgate limped off tonight.
It is tough to organize a defense when it changes every 45 minutes. Hopefully, once things settle down, they will improve and get the gist of this zonal marking malarkey.
58 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:14:29
I really hope so. I am definitely rooting for him.
59 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:15:00
I think the defence will take until after Christmas to look good. The main problem though is that the Defending looked a bit too casual. Yet, backs to the wall with 10 men and maximum effort we can defend. So is it the coaching or the mentality of the defenders?
60 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:18:13
61 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:19:40
Can anyone watching on TV comment on Jamie “Elbows” Procter? It looked like he caught Zouma.
62 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:20:38
Whatever we are being coached daily is not working Silva has to change it and go man for man or persevere with this and hope we score more than the opposition.
63 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:21:17
64 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:23:54
65 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:27:54
66 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:30:33
The anti zonal marking cries are similar to all those “Go 4-4-2” shouts they had been happening for years. Zonal marking is what just about every single top club and manager uses. It takes time for the players to learn something new. This season is supposed to be about laying that foundation. More goals are conceded from man marking, statistically.
68 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:32:21
I don't always agree with the team selection. But you can't argue with the result. Job done.
69 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:34:18
In two of those games, we had to play 55 minutes with just 10 men.
Jags sent off against Wolves...
Collective hypersomnia for the Ings' goal against the Saints...
Richarlison sent off against Wolves, plus Keane's injury...
Another shuffling of the defensive pack tonight...
Have we conceded some soft goals? Most certainly.
But given the circumstances, it's a tad premature for me to already conclude that Silva is somehow 'failing' to organise the defence.
If we are still conceding soft goals and unable to keep clean sheets come the end of September, mid-October, then it may be cause for concern.
I'll give the manager and the team the benefit of the doubt for now.
From the audio commentary, they were critical of the defence not being switched on in the first half in particular, but it sounds as if Kenny had a storming game - Ian Snodin nominated him as MoTM above 2-goal DCL - whilst Digne was also heard to link up well in attack. Not clear how they performed defensively, mind. It sounds as if the centre backs had a couple of nervy moments.
70 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:38:41
71 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:39:19
Admittedly we had a new centre-back pairing but this has been consistent since pre-season. I'm right behind the Park End goal and you can actually hear them screaming at each other. We are two months in now and not one of them seems to have an idea.
When they were attacking the Park End tonight, it didn't take an expert to know what was going to happen We were just lucky it was only once cos it could easily have been two
If professional footballers can't sort themselves out after 2 months, then something's wrong somewhere, regardless of how long someone has played alongside someone, some things to me are basic.
72 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:40:08
If it changes and if, as others suggest, his team gets a grip, I will be absolutely delighted. I am not attacking Marco Silva, his record so far is ok (against lower level teams) but the defensive play has been poor.
73 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:41:33
We park alongside Stanley Park. Where do you reckon?
That's great – be nice to put a face to the name!
74 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:46:06
So long as we are fun to watch and winning more than we lose then I'll be fairly satisfied. For this season at least.
75 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:48:10
As to the game, an outstanding night for the kids who all played reasonably well with Jonjoe the MotM for me. Zouma looked immense letting nothing pass him.
Siggy pulled all the strings; when he went off, we slackened up again and, as Steve Ferns alluded to, were fast asleep for their goal. Nothing to do with tactics just players standing around thinking the game was won.
Honorable mention for Sandro who was superb in the first half put some great crosses in.
Disappointed with Niasse and Tosun as neither contributed much.
Great for Calvert-Lewin whose critics can't now claim he doesn't score goals.
76 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:59:07
I have to say I can't understand the stick Calvert-Lewin is getting tonight as I thought he played well and, if given more opportunity in the middle rather than stuck out on the wing, he will do well for us.
Regarding Steve's opinion of us switching off, well, in my opinion, it's happening too often. Players are given a zone and anything in that zone should be attacked and dispatched pronto. We just look around and seem quite surprised the ball is there.
Now I'm no expert but, to me, if a professional footballer is given a 1-, 2-, 3-m area to defend and to attack any ball that comes in that area, well I would have thought a real thicko could grasp that in, let's say, a day. Obviously our lads can't!
77 Posted 29/08/2018 at 22:59:23
At the same age – 21 years and 5 months – Graeme Sharp who is the yardstick some measure Dominic by (Everton's second highest goalscorer after Dixie Dean, Everton's leading goalscorer in the post-2nd World War period) – had been at Everton for two seasons and made just 3 appearances with no goals scored.
Dominic is doing just fine.
78 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:00:38
79 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:02:01
Stekelenburg – we need better as back up!
Kenny – not enough to take Coleman Journey, but he's not far away at all. Keep him in at cups, the lad deserves that at least.
Holgate – classy at times, but scary as hell. Can he cut those mistakes?
Zouma – not bad first game, should keep place until Keane or Mina fit.
Digne – good performance, skilful, energetic for me, he's now edging Baines.
Davies – wow! Who the hell was that? Top drawer from our young captain.
Dowell – played next to Tom from what I could see. I would like to see him in the No 10, but not role but not at the expense of Siggy.
Sigurdsson – classy, skillfull, purposeful.
Sandro – mixed feelings. Did okay, takes the ball well, some good crosses, looked for the ball but he's no Walcott or Richie! Not a starter.
Niasse – love that kid, so unorthodox, but he's awful on the ball and not a starter.
Calvert-Lewin - top drawer. He's a handful for defenders, and two great goals. Any dip from Cenk and this boy should get a run.
80 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:02:34
Davies, Dowell, Kenny, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin and Niasse were regulars in the Under-23 team the season before last and acquitted themselves well. So job done despite our inability to defend corners. That is three goals conceded from corners in each of the last three games.
81 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:04:19
82 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:04:34
83 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:07:39
84 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:10:55
85 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:11:33
It always takes time, always. Thats why Lyndon and The Esk have repeatedly written about “Patience” being required this season. Everyone laughed at Pep that first season, no trophies, giving up sloppy goals. Said he was naive to England. Last season they hardly give up a goal. He uses zonal marking. He also has 11 men back for corners. Sari said he expects it to take 3 months for his defenders to learn his system. Patience, please.
86 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:12:05
Rotherham missed a sitter in the first half when the defence was just sliced open; Rotherham just walked through us. And again in the second half another fine ball left the substitute striker through on his own but couldn't keep his head and fired yards over the bar.
So some good play; we could have scored a couple more but you are left with that defence. It really doesn't look like they are ever going to keep a clean sheet. Unless Silva gets to grips with them, and sorts it out, you can see some hammering being handed out to The Blues.
87 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:16:36
Tosun, Niasse and Calvert-Lewin are all decent grafters, but they don't strike fear into any body's defence in the same way that Lukaku did. We need that type of striker that can pull us out of the shit when we are playing badly, by converting half chances and bullying defenders into mistakes.
88 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:17:17
89 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:17:35
90 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:19:45
91 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:21:08
At the match, Kenny got Man of the Match though he wasn't my choice. I actually thought Sandro was our stand-out player in the first half. He definitely lacks fitness and we didn't see much of him second half but I still think there's a decent player in there somewhere.
Digne didn't do much wrong and got forward a lot more than some said he would when he came in. Quite a similar player to Baines I'd say.
We didn't really get out of second gear (nor did we need to) all night.
The biggest disappointments of the evening were the number of backward passes, particularly from Davies and Dowell in the first half, and also the entire Rotherham team. Obviously I'm pleased we won but in terms of entertainment I would have liked Rotherham to put themselves about a bit more in the way that lower league teams often do in the cup.
But all-in-all a good night. No-one had a terrible game, no injuries noted and onwards to the third round. Sensible subs from Silva aswell. Schneiderlin even had a hand in the third goal straight after coming on. Fair play to the Rotherham fans for making noise all night because we certainly didn't.
92 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:25:01
Exford is a lovely place. Spent the day at Lynmouth and Linton and Valley of the Rocks.
Yes, West Country Blues coach at 7:45am. Running a 57-seater which Is a credit to the great organisation of Ron and Mike — great bunch of people who go.
93 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:27:45
Stand out for me was Digne. Two-footed, assured, lovely cross for the second goal.
94 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:28:15
Could barely listen - too much work.
Highlights for me tonight!
I'm thrilled we won, and very happy to hear some TWers I respect mention Zouma Destroyer of Villages had a great game, as well as Dowell. I like both those players, it's nice to hear they played well.
Also very happy Tom Davies got the armband and again, aforementioned respected TWers said he played well. I really like Davies. Seems I'm in the minority, but that's a position I'm comfortable with. I think the kid will grow and develop further, and he's got superb talent in my opinion.
David Barks - I have to say your comment about zonal marking being the new 4-4-2 shout-out I couldn't disagree with more. It's all about opinions they say, but I for one detest this zonal marking I've seen thusfar. And I don't give a fart about whether other teams do it or not.
As my 100% Irish-American Mum used to say, God rest her soul, "if everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you?"
Hate it Dave. It's nothing to do with some 4-4-2, try this thing abstract shout out.
But that's been done to death.
A win! Happy days let's win this damn tournament. 31,000+ in attendance would suggest a lot of fans care about this and would like us to have success in this tournament. I'm with them.
95 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:32:01
96 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:32:03
Royal Oak is the Park End side. If you come out of the Park End car park then the road kind of straight on is Spellow Lane. Go to the end of Spellow lane (past the Everton school) and the pub on the corner (with County Road) is the Royal Oak. I'll get there for 1pm.
97 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:39:42
I will be in a dark suit I'm afraid so you should pick me out very easily,
Mobile number is 07776 140 932
98 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:41:34
99 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:42:06
The people on the coach are friendly and it is very relaxing.
100 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:44:42
As for those Brazilian based Blues who think it was unfair of me to compare Calvert-Lewin to Sharpy on another thread, I wasn't really, as my post was more a response to someone who had posted that Sharpy was at Dumbarton when he was Calvert-Lewin's age. He clearly wasn't as he had already made his Everton debut.
If Calvert-Lewin goes on to score half as many goals for Everton as Sharpy did, I and most Evertonians will be more than happy for him.
101 Posted 29/08/2018 at 23:49:01
102 Posted 29/08/2018 at 00:00:27
Maybe being spoiled with players who could defend: TG Jones, Labone, Harris, Wilson, Megan, Tommy Wright... then Ratcliffe, Mountfield, Stevens etc etc. Now, I see good defenders either not allowed to defend or coached out of defending.
Since the arrival of Martinez, we have been extremely poor in defence, even with Allardyce! I know Silva has to be given time and, so far, attacking wise it is certainly on the up but, in my opinion, although Brands and he know our defensive weakness they are not helping themselves.
Silva needs to sort this out. I cannot believe we need weeks or months for this. We have players who have played in different systems all over the world.
Silva has to be adaptable. Try going man for man, try something because, whatever he is doing right now, it is not working or is not getting through to the players.
I cannot believe a professional footballer cannot understand “This is your zone — attack any ball that comes near it!” We need to pick up runners coming in to attack the ball and we are doing neither.
Sorry but we're not talking rocket science here — just players told to do a job and, whether it's a day, week or month they've been here, if they can't do it, then there's something far wrong.
103 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:08:40
Set-pieces are more prevalent in England than in other European leagues. Silva might have had success in Portugal and Greece with zonal marking, but it doesn't appear to be working for him in England. He might have to adapt his approach if we keep conceding goals this way.
I think we should judge him once we have got a settled defence though. We've had so many injuries and suspensions, even though we are only 4 games in. Let's see how we get on once Mina is in there, maybe alongside Kouma – although I thought Keane had his best game in a blue shirt at Bournemouth away.
104 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:17:55
I am probably about the same age and era, possibly even a tad older and have seen all of the great defenders he mentioned. Just disagree on the "even Sam Allardyce" line. I have forgotten all about him and don't think he should ever be used as an example of anything to do with Everton or football in general.
This Zonal Defence system totally confuses and confounds me. I do like Silva's approach to coaching but "Man Marking" to me makes far more sense. I would like to hear other opinions on how to defend successfully.
105 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:19:09
106 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:20:14
Every defender in the squad should be expected to come in at any time and be comfortable with the system.
We learned a free kick routine in one training session the day before the Southampton game that paid off. Is it not possible in one week to show the defence where to stand and what to do???
I just cannot believe those who think this is something special! Though it obviously is for our lot!
107 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:22:09
I, Jamie Crowley, stated the best way to defend was to leave one player up top, have one player mark a "zone" on each post, and 7 players in the box marking a man.
The general consensus was that I was a genius, and was carving new ways of thought into tactical soccer.
As I rode an ass into the town of ToffeeWeb, contributors laid palms before me.
That's pretty much our zonal marking discussion in a nutshell.
108 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:23:23
I understand that our resident Zonal guru needs to be in the ground early on Saturday – no doubt giving the players a lecture on the vagaries of Zonal Marking before they allow the opposition the freedom of the Zone.
109 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:26:42
110 Posted 30/08/2018 at 00:44:33
Naturally, the big fellah is still claiming a victory and continues to pursue the FA for 'damages' from them for his 'premature sacking'.
111 Posted 30/08/2018 at 01:28:09
112 Posted 30/08/2018 at 01:30:37
Apart from a couple of crosses (the one that led to the 1st goal was actually deflected) he was awful. He's a truly poor player. He'd genuinely struggle to get into any premier league side on a regular basis.
If he's off on loan as is the rumour, my only regret is that he's not taking Niasse with him because he is fucking embarrassing!! He might work hard and run around a lot but he simply doesn't look like a footballer! He wouldn't have got into Rotherham's side so how the hell does he get anywhere near Everton's?
On the plus side, as stated by a few above, Davies had an outstanding game as did Holgate. I thought Kenny did well despite having Sandro in front of him for the majority of the game. Digne looked okay but I thought he looked slow and reluctant to overlap.
For me Baines should still be ahead of him in the left-back position. Maybe a few more weeks acclimatisation will see an improvement. Dowell looked like he had all the time in the world and looks a classy player in the making. My only real worry with him is he too seems to lack any pace and that ultimately may cost him in the premier league. Zouma is a seriously big unit and will slot in alongside Holgate quite nicely.
Of the rest all did ok but I feel the jury is still out on Tosun. I for one am not convinced by him. He only had 10 minutes or so tonight and I don't recall him getting in the box at any point. Yet another one who lacks any pace and mainly, for that reason, I doubt he'll ever be the 20 goal a season player we need. His lack of pace allows defenders to push him back into his own half as they're confident of catching him if he's ever played through.
Oh and zonal marking is scary to watch!! But we won (comfortably) so I'll take that.
113 Posted 30/08/2018 at 01:35:41
Some of our fans should get off the back of our youngsters and get behind them.
114 Posted 30/08/2018 at 01:41:00
A full-back on each post would have almost certainly stopped all three of the goals conceded from corners in the last three matches – definitely the latest.
Lyndon also provides a clue: "And from the resulting corner, a flicked-on header was converted by Will Vaulks to make it 2-1." Put a man who is good in the air on the corner of the six-yard box. (Like they used to do in the olden days) ;)
115 Posted 30/08/2018 at 02:11:05
116 Posted 30/08/2018 at 02:24:16
117 Posted 30/08/2018 at 02:33:28
118 Posted 30/08/2018 at 03:11:37
Davies is a great young player. He simply glides with the ball when he needs to, and will conversely play tough when called for. He looked very good. I can't understand the criticism of this 20 year old.
Zouma is indeed a beast. He looked very, very good in the highlights. Showed for the ball quickly when off it, defended seemingly well, and he's a big, big dude but not slow in the least.
Digne was flying down the left hand side constantly in the highlights. That kid loves to run forward, and it's exciting to watch. He pulled men with him even if the ball wasn't played to him. I liked the look of him a lot.
Kieran Dowell is a player. Looks as cool as the other side of the pillow.
Kenny loves the long ball up the right hand side. And he's very good at placing it. Good to see him back out there.
Now none of the above may get into our starting 11 currently, but I'm confident any of them called upon in Cup games, through injuries, etc., will be more than capable.
And we will need them through the course of this season.
119 Posted 30/08/2018 at 05:14:20
I doff my hat sir.
120 Posted 30/08/2018 at 06:07:40
If you are logged on. I have to say what a shout that was predicting a brace for Calvert-Lewin on the pre-match thread. Especially before the team had been named.
I remembered it because I thought he was due and was thinking of having a small bet on him too . . .but a brace ?
One minor complaint; if your going to make outrageous predictions like that in the future, tell us the order in which the goals will go in - I backed him to get the first
121 Posted 30/08/2018 at 06:43:37
The goal Everton conceded was similar to the goal conceded on Saturday. The forward in both cases getting in front of his marker. Either way, whether man marking or zonal, the forward lost whoever was marking him or whoever was marking in that zone.
So, since the start of the season, Everton have conceded two goals from flick-on headers and two from unchallenged crosses from the left wing. My question is: Why is more attention not be paid to these weaknesses in the training ground? I prefer the Holgate - Zouma partnership because there are less errors.
Midfield played okay. Sandro is struggling to hit the standard required and was never worth the contract he was given. But then no-one bought in that time was worth the money paid for them.
I am disappointed in Niasse. Is he being played too deep? I think he is better leading the line. Maybe he needs to be up against it to perform. Tonsun is similar.
I have attacked Tonsun since the start of the season for not being able to beat his marker. Maybe Silva wants him to come deep and lay off balls. The problem is it allows the opposition defence to play higher up the pitch.
Calvert Lewin got two goals and credit to him for being in the position to get them and taking them, which Niasse and Tonsun failed to do.
It's important Everton do well in both cup competitions. I hate not being able to watch Everton in the latter part of the season. The time off doesn't seem to not do the players any good. Also, if Everton get into the top four, how are they ever going to cope with playing in the Champions League if they have only been able to play for a full season in the Premier League?
122 Posted 30/08/2018 at 07:06:23
123 Posted 30/08/2018 at 07:30:02
I heard too that Dowell did well and was pleased for him. However Paul Traill's match report tempered this by indicating he blew hot and cold. Would be good to have your take.
Victor @ 115,
You raise an interesting point – Sandro is slightly older v, Davies, Lookman but has kopped much more flak. The issue I think is that he is not quick, tall or particularly strong. He has shown some flashes of excellent dribbling and technique. Moreover, he is on a much higher wage and was brought in "on the cheap" to great fanfare as his value was supposedly higher. He has failed to live up to expectations and does not appear to have many suitors or admirers.
I think he needs a return to Spain - as he does not justify such a significant wage given his role as a back-up. Also, if we can't bin him off I suppose Silva has no option but to get the best out of him, which means playing him wide or deeper as he is not equipped to be a centre-forward.
Also if some of the wisened heads are to be believed, a striker is only fit to play at the highest "level" if he bags 2 at the Kop End. This stick was used to beat Calvert-Lewin with and would almost certainly apply to Sandro too.
You talk of unfair criticism being hurled at some players and do have a point, although in Sandro's case, hindsight, which is a wonderful thing, shows the club may not have done the best thing in agreeing to a very hefty contract for the lad.
124 Posted 30/08/2018 at 08:37:52
126 Posted 30/08/2018 at 08:47:38
As for the zonal marking that keeps getting mentioned, just give the team a little time and patience to get used to Marco's new ways.
127 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:00:32
Sure there were less good bits last night, which we can say about any player's performance. But his awareness of what's on around him, his ability to slip a man, and to execute a lovely, incisive, first-time pass is mouth watering for me. And I'm sure Silva sees it.
128 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:17:17
No more argument needed.
129 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:23:44
130 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:36:28
131 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:40:11
132 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:42:24
133 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:44:40
I thought Holgate and particularly Zouma gave a very good account of themselves last night.
134 Posted 30/08/2018 at 09:56:10
135 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:00:18
This weakness from corners will not go unnoticed. Bet your bottom dollar Huddersfield and West Ham will be doing extra practice on the training ground before playing us. They will definitely see it as weakness.
It's up to Silva and the training staff to drill and alert the players to their responsibilities. Essentially, do our own defensive practice on the training ground.
I don't want the likes of Huddersfield or West Ham sneaking a draw through poor marking for a corner.
As Jay says, it is not just the centre-backs' responsibility, but there needs to be more vocal organisation of the defence in dead-ball situations.
136 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:01:40
Technically I think he is very gifted and I don't think we have given him enough of a chance. I know some will shoot me down in flames and baulk at this saying he's not taken his opportunity etc. But, like someone mentions on this thread we have seen the likes of Calvert-Lewin, Davies, and Kenny to name a few struggle in games and not exactly look world beaters.
I watched the extended highlights and focussed on Sandro. He obviously had the assist but in addition to that he had a couple of near misses himself and two or three really really good crosses which I would think Tosun would of enjoyed way more than Niasse!
I think as an alternative to Theo on the right it's stupid if we don't keep him. We have Richie and Lookman for the left, Theo and Sandro for the right.
I just think people have an opinion on him but let that cloud any judgment — he was one of the stand-out players last night. You don't play in Barcelona's first eleven and have nothing about you .
137 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:09:47
He hasn't had a prolonged run in the side and it does take young foreign players long to adapt sometimes. There is a desire and a decent player there. If Lookman goes, it could make sense to keep him for cover. Walcott will need managing time-wise. Sandro could take the slack and push for his place.
138 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:12:18
Same for Davies and Calvert-Lewin though. I just don't understand why people show so much patience on them both but not Sandro.
It is not Sandro's fault that we handed him a big contract. Give him a break!
139 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:25:53
That's the reason I asked, because Sky Sports said at the weekend, he'd miss the Arsenal match, which is the 3rd league game, as the rules have changed, and domestic cups aren't counted anymore?
140 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:36:57
141 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:49:57
I watched the whole game. Highlights can be very misleading. Take MotD when they didn't even show our disallowed goal against Soton.
Sandro's just not good enough in my opinion. Yes, he does the odd technically good thing (but nowhere near often enough) but he also falls way short in other areas and that showed last night against a team far inferior to ours, a team he should have been able to really shine against.
I'm not favouring others to his detriment I'm going on what I saw last night and what I've seen when he's played before.
142 Posted 30/08/2018 at 10:54:18
Once the window closes on Friday, then it will be very much a case of you are going nowhere till at least January. Every time Silva has been asked about Lookman he has said the same thing, that he is the present and the future of Everton. I think Silva hoped those words would be enough to persuade Lookman to get his head down and work, and only those inside Finch Farm know whether thats happening or not.
I don't think anybody believes he has a groin injury. But I think Silva rates him very highly — that's why I would be amazed if they let him go.
143 Posted 30/08/2018 at 11:00:47
You can only tell it as you see it and as Brian says Sandro just hasn't got it yet. The right team in possibly another league then maybe.
I'm not sure why Calvert-Lewin has received such criticism; I thought he did very well last night, in fact, all the youngsters did well, in my opinion.
I hope Silva keeps faith in this group of younger players. Obviously, he has quickly and hugely improved us going forward hopefully soon we will see some improvement at the other end.
144 Posted 30/08/2018 at 11:05:46
Different players but Calvert-Lewin seems that little bit more useful to the squad than Sandro. I'd be happy to keep both though.
145 Posted 30/08/2018 at 11:16:05
They've all got a chance to prove themselves and it makes far more sense to ‘wait and see' than it does to commit to a fixed position and try to defend it no matter what. You're going to end up trying to interpret the evidence to suit what you already think rather than basing what you think on the evidence.
146 Posted 30/08/2018 at 11:26:09
Christy, dont take our word for it, see what the FA say. Richarlison is available for Arsenal.
The confusion is over one game suspensions. If you miss one game only, then that has to be in the competition you received it in. This is the rule change.
However, 3 match bans can be served in all domestic competitons. Imagine getting sent off in the FA Cup, you might end up banned for 3 years because of a 3 match ban!! So no, Jags is available for selection again after doing his third game last night. However, its reported hes had a knee injury and hes now out Injured. Richarlison misses two more.
Check out Richarlisons Instagram page. Hes loving life at Everton. Also Yerry Mina was with him, and he seems a really character. These two played together as teammates in Brazil and so seem friends. Mina clearly speaks Portuguese and so fits in with Gomes, Richarlison and Bernard. As well as young Virginia.
147 Posted 30/08/2018 at 11:39:02
Lots of the second string got a run-out and most of them showed some good moments.
The main negative being the goal we conceeded but, in a way, it's good to highlight again to the coaching team the work that needs to be done on defending set-pieces. If we can tighten up there, then, given the amount of chances we seem able to create, we will be looking pretty tasty.
148 Posted 30/08/2018 at 11:43:27
149 Posted 30/08/2018 at 12:05:30
Digne was neat and tidy but not as good as some are making out. Dowell had a very quiet start to the game but got better and better as the game wore on. For me, Davies had his best 90 minutes as an Everton player. He worked hard and his passing was 100% better than of late. Niasse proved once again that he just isn't good enough but still has the ability to surprise me at times. I have absolutely no confidence in the goalkeeper.
Finally, I thought Sandro had a good game. He doesn't look like he'll ever score but his passing and link-up play was surprisingly good. If he stays, I hope the fans give him a break now and then.
150 Posted 30/08/2018 at 12:20:25
The appointment of Tom Davies as captain surprised most of us last night. I think I have worked out why Silva appointed him. In terms of club appearances, he was the ‘senior' player with 44 starts and 25 substitute appearances. The next two with most club appearances were Holgate with 40 (4) and Calvert-Lewin with 29 (27), substitute appearances in brackets.
Alan Ball used to quote his father saying to him after his first appearance for Blackpool ‘come back and tell me you're a player when you have played 50 matches' or words to that effect. That so many of last night's team are in the very early stages of their career is quite encouraging but we should be cautious about rushing to judgment whether negatively or positively about any of them.
151 Posted 30/08/2018 at 12:21:05
For the older generation, anyone remember John Barton special agent we had in defence, seemed to be so relaxed and cool with the ball? Digne seems to have that same aura about him.
I was one of the biggest shouters to bring Tierney in from Celtic; more than happy to say Digne has changed my view.
Special mention to Sandro, he worked his bollocks off last night, played out wide so never got close to link up in the box. Until we play the guy more central, I feel he will be more of a contributor than a goal scorer.
152 Posted 30/08/2018 at 12:31:20
If you thought Digne was not as good as some thought then it bodes well when he gets even better, for a first 90 mins at a new club, I cannot see what more Digne could have done, taking into account playing a new system new teammates and getting 90 minutes under your belt.
That was a full debut to be proud of, capping it off with putting in a pinpoint cross with his right foot for Calvert-Lewin's first goal.
153 Posted 30/08/2018 at 12:49:49
Digne sounded like he had a good game to me from an attacking point of view. Hard to tell via the commentary though because it tends to be on the positive side whereas TW opinion is the complete opposite.
I'd be interested to know how Zouma performed though.
154 Posted 30/08/2018 at 12:54:46
Zouma grew into the game after a bit of a shaky start. Quite solid, and quite rapid too. Think he'll be just fine for us.
155 Posted 30/08/2018 at 12:56:44
I remember John Barton. He came from non-league Worcester for £30,000 and was like a breath of fresh air in Gordon Lee's team in 1979. Many predicted great things for him but unfortunately he broke his leg after 25 appearances and never regained his place in the team. He had much in common with Seamus.
156 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:07:03
I like Sandro, he has never had a good run in the team. Maybe he isn't up to 90 minutes of battling and fighting for every ball in the Premier League but I'd like to see him play 10 successive matches and see how he performs.
Then again, he might be off by tomorrow night and we will never find out.
157 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:19:08
Calvert-Lewin scoring twice — his second was a pearler.
Well done, young man!
158 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:22:48
Someone said above Holgate was bullied by Rotherham #9 Jamie Proctor. Far from it. Proctor kept trying to use his weight to smash Holgate off the ball, but Holgate was up to it. He did the same to Zouma and Kurt ended up on the floor, clutching his face, and clearly complaining of an elbow.
Young Holgate passed a big test against a physical number 9 for me last time. No one in the Premier League will be as rough with him as Proctor was last night. There's only Deeney in the Premier League who employs those kind of tactics.
Holgate was far too classy for Proctor and sold him on a few dummies and Cryuff turns. Holgate played better than Zouma. It was only Zouma's first start. It was Kenny's first start of the season, and Digne's too. That should explain things not being perfect at the back.
159 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:42:45
Sandro ran and ran, he had some nice flicks and tricks but they ended up going straight to the other team.
Oumar, I like the lad, he seemed to be so far out of his depth, a lifejacket would not have helped.
Kieran was in and out of the game as was Calvert-Lewin who scored twice.
Gylfi, always pleased when he is named... stylish, smooth and knows what he is doing.
Well that is how I saw it from the Top Balcony.
160 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:43:43
Davies looked better than what he has been.
Sandro has technical capabilities that should not be ignored.
Dowell can be a class act.
Digne has put in a good case to start ahead of Baines.
Based on the Bournemouth game, Davies was sloppy and wasn't providing enough support to his midfield partner. He could have tried to put himself about, but at times left Gueye to do all the fighting. Hence, I think some amount of criticism is justified.
Tosun can be very effective if the team is prepared to play the ball back to him. Whenever he lays off the ball to the forwards, the other forwards tend to try to finish the ball, rather than cutting it back to him, or playing him through. So, I think if that would happen more, we can see more end product from Tosun.
Sandro has never been really played in his main centre-forward position. He might have gotten one or two games, but even in those games, he was taken off.
Most of the time, he played on the right of a front three. And in yesterday's game, he was playing closer to a right midfielder / winger.
And despite all that, he keeps trying. So, I think the criticisms of Sandro and Tosun a bit over the top.
161 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:54:10
I'm not going to sit here and say I agreed with 8 changes, it breaks the cadence of the team and adds extra pressure on Saturday's game unnecessarily. Those rested players need to perform against Huddersfield.
Digne was mentioned in continuous dispatches during the commentary and as he was bought to replaces Baines, then a home game against poor opponents should be the right place to start him. If he fails his audition then Baines has a good 2 weeks to refresh for West Ham.
There is little point reflecting in on the centre-halves because they start regardless in my mind. Another game together is exactly what they need. I'd be unimpressed should Jagielka get straight back in when neither incumbent has done anything wrong. Both like Digne are there to supersede what we have. A recalled Jags would be a backward step in Silva's embryonic evolution.
Anyway how often can our league cup progress be best described as routine? Hardly ever!! Made up it wasn't some desperate performance with a harrowing end. But then again the bar in this competition is so low!
Roll on Saturday!
162 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:55:07
163 Posted 30/08/2018 at 13:58:48
I doubt if anyone will fret when they are picked again. I know it was only Rotherham, and they weren't too shabby, kept their shape and defended well... better than us at corners!!!
164 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:01:04
The defence debate will rumble on until it is sorted of course but seems to me Silva and his team have already changed the mood of the club, and the mood of TW.
Great to see.
165 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:12:33
When tallying up cautions, it has to be competition specific. Nothing has changed regarding reds.
This was pointed out to me last week when I had it wrong.
166 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:13:18
167 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:15:17
Davies had his best game for a while yesterday. He ran everywhere. He got stuck in, and after winning the ball he was able to pass it properly, not a short pass for someone else to pass it, but a proper incisive pass.
When did we last see Davies like this, getting everywhere? That's right his first season.
Who was missing last night? Who was also missing for most of that purple patch of his first season? Coincidence? I think not. I think Davies has a much better all-round game and whilst there's certain things he will never be as good at, the drop off is not that significant and his all-round game adds far more and makes him the better player in the long term (once he develops a little bit more).
168 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:19:19
169 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:22:38
Silva has got them believing.
170 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:24:38
171 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:31:59
He did from what I saw and heard have decent game, cannot not don't wish to challenge that.
The question I ask myself is, given the current squad options, would Tom be in Silva's first XI? My thoughts are if everyone was fit, no. Would he even make the bench as an option? I think no again, because he is at this current time a replacement if indirectly, for Gana or Schniederlin?
I don't see him as a game changer and with Sigurdsson's adaptability I'd have more attacking players on the bench.
I need more convincing he can step up and influence a Premier League game. Do you think there's enough evidence to indicate he can under Silva or are Bernard, Lookman (!), Gomes and even Dowell be ahead of him in the pecking order?
172 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:32:49
173 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:34:05
said it before we kicked the season off, Silva will absolutely love Davies, he is his kind of player, and I think Davies will develop massively under Silva. I really do think we're talking about a Peter Reid type, but only Davies is likely to clock up many more caps for England.
With Loftus Cheek and Delph not playing for their clubs right now, if Davies can get a good run in the side, and play well, then he'll be a shoo-in for a call-up very soon.
174 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:50:16
He's not slow, some think he is, but watch him last night, he gets about the pitch very well. Sure he's winning no races, but he's not slow. A real strength of his is his engine. I haven't found any decent sites to check the mileage from each game, but when they do show it, Davies's yards per minute is usually the best of everyone in our side, or if not the best, then one of them.
Passing is hit and miss. He is capable of good short and medium level passes. Last night his pass completion rate was exceptional. Against Bournemouth it was poor. Unlike Idrissa Gueye (who the hell is Gana anyway?) he passes forwards and tries to make things happen, so this means that, by playing riskier passes, his completion rate will seriously drop off. I don't mind seeing this myself, I like players to take risks in the correct areas.
Davies is bigger than Gueye. He's both taller, heavier, and stockier. So whilst he might appear lightweight at times, it's not actually an issue. If anyone needs reminding, watch the Man City game and watch him wrestle with Toure. This lad is deceptively strong, and there's a lot of fight in him.
He's got good vision and awareness. But it's a skill that doesn't seem to always be there. Sometimes he can be too casual and not check on things and make silly mistakes. Other times he has a sixth sense and can get himself out of danger without even looking.
Unlike Gueye, he has great control, that ball he took out of the sky against Southampton, turned and tried to beat 3 men, and the only way they could stop him was to chop him down, well that was great.
He does have a weakness though. That's his power. He can't hit the ball with great force. He showed it last night with his tame shot, and he's showed it a few times with tame long passes. I cannot see why he can't work on this and develop it. That said, there's plenty of players who for whatever reason cannot belt a ball 50 yards with a modest degree of accuracy. I fail to understand this as I was crap but never had an issues doing it. It was probably that Bobby Charlton Soccer School I went to as a nipper in the mid 80s. Bobby himself taught me how to kick the ball properly with force.
Without Gueye and Schneiderlin on the pitch, he assumed the Gueye role and the Schniderlin role and showed that he can play as the single pivot. For me that's massive. Davies can be the sole defensive midfielder we all crave. The one to combine the two players. Dowell did alright last night, and sure it was only Rotherham, but Davies bossed that midfield on his own and when Dowell went missing, Davies was still in control. He can do it.
Most of what Davies lacks comes down to experience. He needs games regularly and mentoring and guidance from a manager like Silva, who will tell him exactly where he should be every step of every play on the pitch. He will stop training and show him, he will produce DVDs of Davies himself to highlight weaknesses and errors, and he will produce DVDs of people to emulate, and DVDs of opponents and what to watch for.
175 Posted 30/08/2018 at 14:53:16
"It is not Sandro's fault that we handed him a big contract. Give him a break!"
Err ok, sure, but why do have you have such a persistent downer on our youth players, who cost less and are definitely no worse than Sandro? Why don't you give our youth players a break?
Please do enlighten. This will be entertaining.
All fair points. Pleased to see our "Youf" progressing.
176 Posted 30/08/2018 at 15:37:11
But based on what is available to see, I for one loved the clips of Kieran Dowell. This is a seriously gifted footballer. His lack of strength and stamina and not doing the 'grunge' work always gets mentioned about Kieran, but to me this season he looks to have added some bulk to his height.
Even in the edited highlights, there were so many good things to see about Kieran. His part in the first goal; his casual control and variety of passing; his ability with both feet; his sixth sense in 'seeing' the picture and play around him; the time he seems to have on the ball. All very Hoddlesque for me.
All that was missing from the game we know he has was an example of his considerable shooting prowess. I'm sure he will be disappointed with himself for the chance Tosun laid on for him deep into injury time. He is a better finisher than that.
I have been and will remain a constant defender of our youngsters, much maligned on TW, including on the Live Forum last night by people making blind judgement calls on the audio commentary as if they were watching video images.
Some apply selective amnesia to our youngsters with outlandish claims. 'Other than THAT City game and THAT goal, what has Tom Davies ever done?'
That very season, when he broke into a stuttering side at 18, he was a first-team regular for half a season and consistently a 7-8 out of 10 player and one of the best 3 players on the pitch every game. This was recognized by more discerning Blues who voted him the runaway Young Player of the Year and worthy of the Goal of the Season.
In the purgatory of last season's turgid football, nobody played well over the duration. But don't anyone try to tell me that the likes of Davies, Holgate, Kenny and Calvert-Lewin were the worst performers or the least committed in a team of seasoned internationals.
Those four players – plus Dowell – are still only 20-21. Most have already clocked up a healthy number of games for the first team - an experience denied to players of a similar age at other Premier League clubs.
Yes, there have been some 'mares along the way, but the overwhelming majority of their first team games they have not let either the team or themselves down.
There is a lot to come from this group. And Marco Silva could well be the sorcerer to conjure up yet more magic from them.
177 Posted 30/08/2018 at 15:48:56
A player who used to get stick for not getting stuck in but who had supreme vision and the sweetest left foot I can remember.
Now before some of you jump on me, I only said he reminds me "a little" of Sheedy and it's very early days yet but the lad has something about him you can't teach or train into.
178 Posted 30/08/2018 at 15:49:03
Giving him the armband last night makes him Everton's youngest ever skipper in our entire history. Tom spoke post-match how much the honour meant to him and, I'm sure, played no small part in how well he apparently played last night.
What a very shrewd move by the manager. Think of the psychological boost that gives not only to Tom, but to other young players at the club:
'Hang on... we've got a manager here who trusts and believes in his young players and will give them a chance. I want some of that!'
179 Posted 30/08/2018 at 15:49:27
But you have skirted the issue at hand. Is he a first-team player under Silva, with the options we have? Whilst he looks to be eminently coachable, a quality not to be under-estimated for many coaches like Silva. I cannot see if the options are fit him even making the bench. Those options have been bought in to play and are by virtue of age ahead in their development.
Gomes & Bernard must be ahead of Tom, as are Morgan & Gana. So if all stay fit were does he fit in?
If the first two games gave us a clue, he isn't a starter. Moreover, once Gomes & Bernard are up and running I cannot envision even a place on the bench?
I think that is a very likely scenario, so his playing time might well be very limited if we have a relatively injury-free campaign. I cannot see Silva turning to him a tactical option?
BTW, 'Gana' is both good for brevity and easy to spell!!! 😁😁😁
180 Posted 30/08/2018 at 15:52:48
HAS Kieran 'bulked up' a bit from his (slightly) 'Twiggy' look of previous seasons?
It's hard to tell from just video images.
181 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:14:27
I thought Keiran showed in some parts of the game how good a footballer he is, especially that little dribble near the end of the game when he effortlessly went past two or three players and slipped the ball through for the anticipating Kenny to run onto, very good.
Like you, I wanted him to take one or two of the free kicks but possibly with Siggy and Digne on the pitch he never got a look in; that will come the more he plays.
I don't think he has bulked up on the way he was last season, he has a great football brain and I won't criticise for last night but, the more he plays, the more he has to get involved; ability is never going to be a problem for him.
182 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:15:30
I always like to see young players come through from our academy sides, as it gives hope and belief to the younger players at the club, to think that could be me. I like Tom Davies a well-grounded lad, and as I said in an earlier post a very clever move by Silva to make him captain last night.
Having said that I can't agree with your analogy that Davies is like Peter Reid, for me he is not a bit like Peter Reid. Peter was a tenacious tackling midfield player, very rarely lost a 50-50 challenge and was never out-muscled by even the biggest midfield opposition. Tom is certainly not a tough tackling midfield player and he often gets out-muscled in midfield, he definitely needs to work on that side of his game but he is still a young man with time on his side.
Also I never think its fair to compare up and coming youngsters with great players from the past. At the moment when everybody is fit I think Tom will find it hard to get in the side, but as I say he is young and has got time on his side to become a regular in the first team.
183 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:21:00
I can't say I noticed any change in the lad's physique to be honest.
184 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:24:15
185 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:35:41
Kieran just looks as if he has more muscle in his legs – his thighs –- than in previous seasons. Like many tall teenagers who have a growth spurt, he always had a bit of a 'spindly' look to him.
The rest of his body seems to be 'catching up' with that growth spurt to my eye.
And as you say Dave, ability is never going to be Kieran's problem.
A wonderful, innately gifted footballer.
186 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:38:36
Gueye is excellent at pressing, tackling and making interceptions.
Schneiderlin this season looks positionally disciplined and very accurate with his passing both long and short.
Davies has neither of these strengths currently. As you suggest he is a more rounded player but my worry is he follows the Rodwell route and becomes a jack of all trades and master of none. Energy and enthusiasm alone are not sufficient. In my eyes, he needs to be either making more tackles or more useful passes; or ideally both.
I agree that Silva is the perfect manager to coach him to this end but I'm not sure I've seen him (Davies) do it enough yet to have the faith you do in him.
187 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:47:21
Rodwell slowed the game down – Davies tries to keep it ticking over at a quick rate – Silva's game.
188 Posted 30/08/2018 at 16:53:23
189 Posted 30/08/2018 at 17:07:51
190 Posted 30/08/2018 at 17:11:57
Gueye is just too limited a player. He is good for where we are now. I fully concede that. I fully concede that he is better in the side than Davies now as well.
Sure, I am taking a leap of faith, but I believe Davies will develop quickly into a top class player. Gueye might be excellent at pressing, intercepting and tackling, but Davies is very good at all of them. If Gueye gets 9 or 10 out of 10 for these attributes, then Davies is getting at least 7, probably 8 for me. Gueye's other attributes are very low scores. Dreadful passing, poor control, poor awareness, zero vision. Meanwhile Davies is again scoring well for these things, at least 6.
That's, for me, the trade off. Play a better all round box to box midfielder who can do more of everything, but at the expense of not being quite so good at the other things. For this season and maybe next he would need to be alongside Schniederlin, but once he's hitting the age of 22 or 23, I would expect him to be able to do everything Schneiderlin and Gueye can, and to do it solo. Therefore, getting rid of two defensive midfielders and having one. Davies sitting deep, holding, breaking up play, and passing it up the pitch. Then, that means we can flip the triangle and have two offensive midfielders such as Gomes and Sigurdsson or even Bernard and Sigurdsson.
And yes, it's a leap of faith. But I am hugely optimistic that Davies can do it. He is a very intelligent young man (academically at least) and so I think that he can use this to develop his game even further.
And yes, I do think Davies would be a key player in our team to take on the breaking into the top 4. I really do think he can be that good. Other than lacking power in his shooting, I don't see any flaws in his game at all. Mistakes made will be eradicated by getting more and more experience and he will develop more with Gueye out of the side.
I had checked on the African Nations Cup as this was due this January, and so would have been a big month for Tom to push Gueye out the team, but instead I can confirm that the ANC is now a summer tournament (at long last) and so we won't be missing Gueye or Niasse this season.
191 Posted 30/08/2018 at 17:15:13
Tom Davies has always been a Number 6. He's always played in midfield, either as a box to box player or as a Defensive Midfielder. He was the Mascherano to Liam Walsh's Alonso in the excellent Everton youth team.
192 Posted 30/08/2018 at 17:26:27
193 Posted 30/08/2018 at 17:27:02
Sell Gueye? Really?! You truely are delusional!!!
He is one of the most energetic players and covers so much ground – his age (which isn't even high) has nothing to do with it.
Thank fuck you aren't running our club!
194 Posted 30/08/2018 at 17:29:41
195 Posted 30/08/2018 at 17:37:56
If we want to break the top six, we need better players then Gueye and we could pocket £30m and put it towards someone like Neves who can become a top 4 level player.
Gueye's engine will start to diminish within 3 years and I'm sorry but he has nothing else to his game once that is gone.
197 Posted 30/08/2018 at 18:26:02
Let's put it this way: he is miles better than Niasse but most think Niasse has the sun shining from his arse because he never made a fuss, even though he is rubbish.
Sandro never says a thing — how come he gets stick? Is it because he hasn't scored? I'm curious...
198 Posted 30/08/2018 at 18:35:14
199 Posted 30/08/2018 at 18:36:30
High expectations against a very limited return?
200 Posted 30/08/2018 at 18:48:29
Last night I saw, as I've seen whenever he's played, a "few" good touches but the majority of his play has, IMO, not been up to the standard we need. So I stick with my opinion, and that's all it is, that Sandro's not good enough.
By the way, I fully agree regarding Niasse — he's nowhere near good enough either, IMO.
201 Posted 30/08/2018 at 18:55:10
How far away is James McCarthy from full fitness?
202 Posted 30/08/2018 at 19:05:32
Whilst I can agree with you that - technically - Sandro is "miles better than Niasse", to satisfy your curiosity why the latter is more popular than the former, you kinda answer it for yourself when writing "Sandro gets stick because he hasn't scored".
Kind of a prerequisite for a forward on the inflated salary he is on.
Like it or not (and it's not necessary to go into Niasse's well-known story at Everton), but Niasse delivers the most valuable commodity in the game: goals... 8 goals in 22 Premier League appearances for Niasse last season – many from the bench – in a hapless, directionless team.
Sandro, by contrast, 1 goal in all 16 appearances he has played for Everton.
He couldn't even get on the scoresheet in the 22-0 bunfest in Austria, a game in which Niasse came on and bagged a 10-minute hat-trick.
I wish the lad had delivered on the promise he showed in Spain. The harsh truth is, he hasn't. Not even close.
203 Posted 30/08/2018 at 19:13:37
Liverpool v Chelsea in the League Cup. Stitch that!
Everton home to Southampton.
204 Posted 30/08/2018 at 19:17:12
205 Posted 30/08/2018 at 19:45:29
I like Davies, he is tidy, industrious, brave and he doesn't hide... but he doesn't have the power, he doesn't have the athleticism, he doesn't score or create enough goals.
I know he is young and I have high hopes that he will play for Everton for a very long time, but he is the sort of player who can support or complement a top-class player. He just won't be one himself. It's wrong to place such expectations on his shoulders, just as it is stupid to write him off as a Premier League player when that is in fact what he is.
On the subject of Gueye's passing, yeah, on the evidence we have thus far, his passing is poor, but unless Sigurdsson is standing over a dead ball, you could say that about all of our players.
Football has been stifled at this club for years. Under Koeman and Allardyce, the player on the ball simply didn't have a pass on. Nobody dared break ranks and make a run; 'movement' was a dirty word. Pirlo would have struggled to find a blue shirt playing for either of these jokers.
The sure-fire way to improve your team's passing, is to improve movement; Silva is clearly working on this. I expect to see a big improvement in all of our players' passing stats this season... including Gueye.
206 Posted 30/08/2018 at 20:07:24
207 Posted 30/08/2018 at 20:46:02
208 Posted 30/08/2018 at 20:52:02
209 Posted 30/08/2018 at 21:11:03
This is definitely a work in progress and I have seen enough so far to see it's improving; however, it will take a while to totally eradicate the bad habits picked up under Koeman and Allardyce. There has certainly been enough shown to date to be positive about the future.
210 Posted 30/08/2018 at 21:19:12
211 Posted 30/08/2018 at 21:30:05
He gave away four of his first five passes against Southampton, but the first time he really ran forward with the ball, he started the move for our second goal.
Little, quick, low centre of gravity, he should be attacking the space a lot more often, because these little players can be a nightmare to play against, but only if they have enough confidence to know how hard they can be to play against?
212 Posted 30/08/2018 at 21:45:12
What I don't think he will be is a prolific goal scorer. He is not an instinctive striker, nor does he possess a good enough shot for him to score goals in this way.
He will, however, be a very important striker at Premier League level. I think of someone currently like Salomon Rondon who has a very good all-round game for a lone striker but just lacks that ability to get amongst the goals.
I see no reason why he can't become a 10-15 goals a season kind of striker, which is what Graham Sharp was for the most part of his career.
213 Posted 30/08/2018 at 23:56:57
I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on their respective merits - you always judge Gueye at his worst and Schneiderlin at his best. It is surely worth noting that Gueye scored a not overly spectacular 2 league goals last season in 33 games but even that is worth a nod ahead of the big fat zero Schneiderlin contributed in 30.
I appreciate your efforts to defend Davies (I think he'll develop into a decent midfielder) but there is always that niggling criticism of Gueye which just seems a bit blinkered to me as you're kind of singling him out as inept going forward based on the atrocious crap we witnessed last season. I can't see any reason why his game won't develop to suit Silva as much as the next man. Certainly if Schneiderlin can start turning in half-decent performances (as he surely has) then people can stop being amazed every time Gueye takes the ball forward.
214 Posted 31/08/2018 at 00:10:32
I believe Davies can do more or less everything Gueye can, and then so much more that he can't. I understand that gueye is excellent at what he does and few in the whole league can come close. He always performs and rarely has a bad game. We're a better side with him in the team.
All that said, he's far too limited a player to take us to the top 4. He needs a more rounded game. And it's not Koeman or Allardyce, the lad struggles to kick the ball 50 yards. He lacks the power. Davies is a much better proposition. But I'd accept it's all potential and maybe he will never realise it, or people like me have read him wrong.
215 Posted 31/08/2018 at 00:34:27
When it comes to the good passers of the ball, where do you see Gomes fitting in? What exactly is his 'profile' and could he play deep or is he lacking the skillset?
216 Posted 31/08/2018 at 00:39:03
217 Posted 31/08/2018 at 00:39:47
Gana is a fighter.
I know who I would prefer in my team.
218 Posted 31/08/2018 at 00:45:14
219 Posted 31/08/2018 at 01:02:58
Davies's pass completion is 78%, Gana 83%, and Morgan 90%.
No stats for the following comment in this paragraph, just my eyes. Morgan passes sideways constantly, improving his number. Davies makes many more "forward" incisive passes. Gana wins the damn ball like a pissed off wasp.
Would you prefer 8 out of 10 passes completed, if the one pass not completed to achieve a 9 out of 10, was a bold ball to spring a goal scoring opportunity?
You put Gana in with Davies and you've got your ball winning player who also intercepts passes like crazy to get you possession, so when the 1 out of 10 "probing" passes Davies plays doesn't come off, you can win the ball back eventually through Gana.
I prefer that over safety first, sideways passing.
I'm NOT saying a player who only completes 50% of his passes is an acceptable thing. But I do think Davies's 10% or so drop in completion is down to him playing with a more attacking mindset. Couple him with Gana to regain possession, and you're better off in my opinion.
Seems logical on the surface? It is a shallow analysis, but surely has some merit?
220 Posted 31/08/2018 at 02:04:41
His missed passes often come right in the middle of the pitch and become turnovers that instantly send the enemy sprinting off in a counterattack. It's just inexperience, and I fully expect him to grow out of it. Barkley had the same problem but never did.
I actually consider Gana the best passer of the three at the moment.
221 Posted 31/08/2018 at 10:06:27
I can only remember my favourite ever Everton player hitting one 50-yard pass when Reid set up Lineker on that fateful horrible day but I don't think you could ever accuse Peter Reid of lacking power?
I loved Reid for many things, a player with no pace but what a football brain, which was only matched by his great consistency.
You have to be clever and you have to be brave but I think Gueye could become a cracking little “fetch and carry player” if Silva can just change his mind-set.
Nothing wrong with chasing the ball everywhere but, when you have got the tools, then sometimes make them chase you, is the advice that might take Gueye up another level...
222 Posted 31/08/2018 at 10:10:40
On Reidy's first day, John Bailey said to him, "You probably can't kick a ball the width of the pitch."
Peter replied, "And what does that prove?"
223 Posted 31/08/2018 at 11:36:13
Individuals who aspire to impress have a great opportunity in these games to show what they have but, because of the changes made, rarely do.
However, by now, we as fans and I suspect the management team already have a decent idea about everyone's capabilities except the absent injured signings.
It will be interesting to see the starting eleven against Huddersfield.
224 Posted 31/08/2018 at 12:15:10
Just my opinion, I'm like a record, but if Gueye tried to stay involved more with the ball, he would become a much better player right away.
He sometimes runs with the ball and ends up wide, no-man's land for a central midfield player... but, if he kept trying to go through the middle, him and his team would get a lot more joy, I'm sure.
225 Posted 31/08/2018 at 12:31:23
It made me laugh when Gerrard would regularly miss by a mile with 4 out of 5 attempts at the Hollywood ball. The commentators would be drooling over the one that hit the target.
The bold Peter Reid (one of our all-time midfield greats and a snarling little bastard that made me love him even more) would keep possession and play passes with the following pass in mind.
Someone mentioned players you would like next to you in the trenches. He would be top of my list.
226 Posted 31/08/2018 at 12:42:47
Could he have played for Barca, though? Pass, move, pass, move... Or was the long pass too far indoctrinated into his game?
I ask for one reason: Gomes has had a bad time at Barca... I'm hoping it's because their style didn't suit him and he's ready to show everyone how good he his when he plays in a different type of team!
227 Posted 31/08/2018 at 12:46:35
228 Posted 31/08/2018 at 12:59:23
But as always with opinions, I'm sure many people could put up great counter-arguements, because Gerard was a fantastic modern day footballer.
Anyway, I'm just hoping that Gomes was swamped by the possession-mad Spaniards and can't wait to play a different type of game.
229 Posted 31/08/2018 at 13:16:08
I'm more focused on tactics and systems than most of you, so I have a different perspective, I expect. For me, the midfield is the most important part of the side and the tactics, especially the 2 in a 4-2-3-1.
I want those 2 to sit and be very static. Therefore, Schneiderlin running a lot less than Gueye is fine by me. I want that block of 4 (the 2 CBs and 2 DMs) to be impenetrable.
People forget what a great manager Jose Mourinho was (or perhaps still is). He took Porto to the top in Portugal in his first full season and won the Europa League, then won the league again and famously won the Champions League. Of all the achievements in football since 2000, Jose Mourinho winning the Champions League with Porto is perhaps the best. He did it through tactics and systems. He had a Defensive Midfielder who does not move from this middle position. He's adapted his tactics in recent years and he goes for the block of four. If you have 4 solid players, you can't get through them, you can only get down the sides, and if you have big centre-backs you can just head it away.
Gueye is someone who does not sit in enough for me. I don't like to see him charge around tackling everyone and intercepting. Sure, it's great that he did it, but he's usually in someone else's zone, doing someone else's job. The problem is when he doesn't make the tackle or the interception then he's gone missing and we are wide open.
Besic was the most infuriating player for me. If you offered him all the money in the world to just sit in, he'd be unable to do so, he just cannot resist the urge to be drawn out. He's so easily coaxed from his position. Gueye much less so, but so often last season we conceded when he was out of position and the opposition simply passed around him.
If Schneiderlin and Gueye sit in there, you aren't passing around them or through them. It's not happening. The tactics and the system will always win. Even against Man City. Guardiola's whole thing is about pulling these two players out of position. So, you don't make it easy for them and leave your position of your own accord.
To be fair, this season, Gueye has been in position far more than I've seen over the last three seasons. Silva's pressing works by being a collective and the 2 DMs have to sit in and hold shape and they only press if the front 4 have been bypassed. We have done this well, I think. The majority of the goals and chances against have all been due to bad zonal marking. Sure a couple of times we have been countered attacked and we have been wide open, but that main defensive shape, particularly with Schneiderlin on the pitch has been very good.
Passing wise we have benefited a lot from Holgate. Holgate is a very good passing centre back. So to be fair is Michael Keane. This has meant that Gueye can win the ball and can hit a pass back to them, and then they can launch the long pass that he is far less able to do.
I drew a line there because I'm actually at the opposite conclusion to what I initially thought, and I thought it's best you see how I have changed my mind! After reading what Tony said and thinking on this some more (it's taken 4 hours to finish this off due to work), I think Tony does have a good point and that perhaps Silva is changing Gueye, that even at 29 he can change, and that he can adapt his game to be a very effective, more disciplined midfielder, and can become a "cracking little fetch and carry player". It's good to have these debates and views challenged to come round to different ways of thinking.
231 Posted 31/08/2018 at 13:30:33
The player I remember (because you remember the good and the bad and not the ordinary) is an excellent passer of the ball, but he seems to be more of a plodder. He appears slow, but he's not slow, because he is capable of suddenly accelerating through a crowded central position and taking 2 or 3 opponents out of a move. He's also got a great shot on him. He can score thunderbolts from outside the box.
Many will be infuriated by that plodding style. I don't quite understand what Silva will do with him. He's going to expect to play every game. To play I would expect to have just one single DM and that to be someone anchored to the defence, ie Schneiderlin. Then Gomes to be alongside Sigurdsson and for the pair to be box to box midfielders, with Sigurdsson given a bit more licence to get into the box.
The big question mark is can Gomes be dynamic enough to get around the pitch at a quicker speed than he has in the past. Valencia appeared a slow build up side rather than quick tempo, high pressing and energetic football that Silva is trying to get us to play. He has been more of a hands on hips, foot on the ball kind of player in the past. I first wondered if he could do this very deep, perhaps taking Schneiderlin's position and using Gueye's energy to cover for him and tackle for him. My Portuguese mates say no way, he cannot defend to save his life.
If Gomes can fit in well, adapting to the tactics, getting about the pitch at speed, pressing and closing down and combined this with what he is good at: his control, touch, passing, and shooting, well that's a world class player right there.
232 Posted 31/08/2018 at 13:36:38
233 Posted 31/08/2018 at 13:37:06
Watch from 1:12. This goal is against Porto no less, the best team in Portugal, not some no-marks.
235 Posted 31/08/2018 at 14:05:50
Still available to see. His actual presser starts around the 19 minute mark, to skip the highlight reel they show.
Happy that Richarlison was called up to the Brazil squad – 'not easy to get into' - but that we are educating him on some things and he is learning [in reference to his sending off].
Bernard still out for tomorrow – small problem, not yet up to the intensity of the training due to missing pre-season.
Gueye struggling to be fit for the game. Keane is at Finch Farm and progressing well.
Holgate and Zouma as the two fit centre-backs likely to start against Huddersfield.
Not surprised by Digne's performance - 'we knew what we were buying' – and when asked about the left back slot Silva said it's normal for a club like Everton to have strong competition for places.
The question of 4 different captains swatted away. 'The decision on a permanent captain is made - Jags. He was captain in the first game, unavailable for the next game so I had to change. We have 3 captains – Jags, Baines and Coleman. It was Coleman's 200th game so easy to make him captain. Wednesday, none of those played so I chose Tom. He is no longer a boy. He is a professional. It was good for him to take the responsibility.'
On the 8 changes for the cup game, 'If I could, I would have made more! I am happy that they played with our 'profile' [style] and ideas I want from the team.'
On Tosun not yet scoring: 'The goals will come. I am very happy with how he is playing.'
On Lookman: 'I really don't like answering questions about him every day. He is our player and is staying. He knows what I want from him. He must now force his way into the match day squad.'
All with his matter-of-fact 'can-I-get-outta-here-now?' delivery.
236 Posted 31/08/2018 at 14:11:47
He did make it clear that the order of Captains is Jags, then Baines, then Seamus. So Baines for the rest of the season, or at least until Digne displaces him.
The comments on Lookman would make me surprised if he's not still with us by tomorrow. Then Lookman has to pull his finger out and force his way back into the side. If he's fit, and Silva says he is, then he would have started tomorrow. Instead, he will only start if his head is right.
237 Posted 31/08/2018 at 15:13:17
Listening to Silva's press conference, with Bernard injured, I wonder will Lookman be in the squad tomorrow if fit?
238 Posted 31/08/2018 at 15:43:18
However, Silva looks more likely to put Walcott to left wing and Calvert-Lewin down the right, based on what he did in the Bournemouth and Rotherham matches.
239 Posted 31/08/2018 at 17:27:31
240 Posted 31/08/2018 at 17:43:15
If we can get him to play at Silva's tempo, then as you said, he's a bit special on the ball, and so I would say we'd have a world class player on our books. I have doubts that Silva can do this though.
241 Posted 31/08/2018 at 17:53:40
Nothing worse than losing your confidence, and I reckon it could ten-fold, if you was struggling in a team with so many great players, so I'm really looking forward to finding out now, because Gomes looks like he can really play.
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