Morgan Schneiderlin says he does care

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Everton midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin says his wife Camille helped him revive his career at Goodison Park after his popularity with the fans plumbed the depths last season.

The 28-year-old — who joined Everton from Manchester United in 2017 for a reported £20 million — became a focal point for fans' anger as, despite millions being spent under manager Ronald Koeman, they failed to spark.

However, Schneiderlin — who had flourished under Koeman at his first English club, Southampton — told The Times on Monday that Camille gave him some sound advice after he was roundly booed by the Everton fans when he was sent on as a substitute against Crystal Palace in February this year.

His image with them had been tarnished by a nightmare few days in November.

He was sent off in a Europa League match with Lyon and then dropped for the following game against Watford by interim manager David Unsworth, who had filled the breach when Koeman was sacked, with rumours that he had walked off the training ground in a huff when he was omitted from the matchday squad.

"My wife is very supportive of me," Schneiderlin said.

"She said: 'You have to show them who you are.'

"Maybe it was a time to look at myself in the mirror and say, 'Why? Why did this happen?'."

Schneiderlin, capped 15 times, said it helped him also talking to his inner circle as they pulled no punches either.

"As well as my wife, I had a long chat with my best friends, my parents, my agent," he said.

"They are not the type of guys who say, 'Oh Morgan, you are the most beautiful. Oh Morgan, you are the best.'

"They say (honest) things to me. I agreed with them. I didn't have the best season."

Schneiderlin, who has one assist to his name this season in three league appearances after having none to his credit last term in 30 matches, says the fans wrongly gained the impression that he was not dedicated to the club.

"It eats me like crazy because the most frustrating thing is that image is not myself," he said.

"I am an honest guy who works very, very hard.

"I can have a bad game, or a bad performance, but putting that on me that I don't give a shit, I don't care — that is not who I am."

Schneiderlin, who began his professional career at French outfit Strasbourg before then second-tier side Southampton purchased him in 2008, says he feels comfortable with current Everton manager Marco Silva.

"I knew I had to work twice, maybe three times as hard as anyone else because I knew some people and some fans would see me in a different way," he said.

"That is what I said to the manager. I said I was prepared to do that and that was what I have done."

Schneiderlin was one of two players sent home from a training session in November of last year due to a perceived ‘lack of effort'. He wanted to set the record straight.

It was claimed that both Schneiderlin and Kevin Mirallas were told to no longer take part in training ‘if they were not going to bother'.

“The sending off was totally my fault. It was a stupid red card,” he said, referring to his sending off in the 3-0 Europa League defeat to Lyon on November 2.

“When we got drawn against Lyons, I thought it was a good way for me to show myself for the France national team and it didn't happen. We got battered 3-0. I was frustrated. My mistake.

“On the Saturday before Watford, we did a warm-up of five minutes and David [Unsworth] said his squad. I didn't hear my name.

“There were four or five of us and he said, ‘You are going to train on the other side of the training ground.' I had played 80 minutes against Lyons — I had run, I was not walking — and Duncan [Ferguson] said, ‘I am going to put you as the man in the middle. You are tired. Don't worry. I know it is frustrating.'

“As you can understand, the tempo was not crazy because everyone was a bit sad and maybe I didn't touch the ball because it was two v two.

“Duncan said to me, ‘Morgan, I understand you are tired, you played two days ago. There is no problem, if you want to rest and go inside, you can rest and go inside.' I said, ‘Thank you' and I went inside.

“I was not happy, of course. But I was just like maybe 99.9% of the guys are when they are not in the squad and they have to train away from the first team.

“When the story came out, I spoke with David. He said, ‘Morgan, no problem.' We spoke honestly. I said sorry for my red card, because that is the only thing I could say sorry about. We looked to turn things around and I started the next game.

“Maybe people wanted to see me because we had bad results and they had to find someone to pick and to say, ‘His fault, his fault, his fault.' That is the life of a football player.”

 

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Stephen Bird
1 Posted 10/09/2018 at 17:18:22
You know what, based on what I've seen this season, I'll have that.

He was an easy target last season because his role in the team isn't glitzy and creative and he has a miserable disposition.

He starts for me at the moment.

Phil Smith
2 Posted 10/09/2018 at 17:36:57
Yeah, he's looked like a different player this season so far. Hope it continues. I think the sacking of Koeman hit him harder than most.
Victor Yu
3 Posted 10/09/2018 at 17:39:13
He has been good this season.

He was outstanding when he first joined. He is definitely talented so I hope we can get the best out of him.

Will Mabon
4 Posted 10/09/2018 at 17:52:13
You know what, there's more petty drama than ever on the TV (so they tell me), do we really need to hear this?

Everyone understands that humans have off days, football fans know that players suffer bad games/loss of form now and then. They can also see the difference between a committed player and one showing an attitude or lack of effort. There's no hiding on the pitch.

Please just continue what you've done this season, in undeniable contrast to last, which is to make the effort in games. The form will then follow and improve. No statements needed.

Brent Stephens
5 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:06:27
I welcome his statement. Adds to our knowledge of things. A different player this season. Well done, Schneiderlin. Well done, Silva.
John Keating
6 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:07:46
His story of the training ground incident sounds shit.

He got exactly what he deserved after the incident.

Might it not be possible that nobody came in for him and wanted to pay the wages he's on here??

We all saw his efforts last season, the words may lie but the eyes don't.

Steve Ferns
7 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:17:55
What's done is done. It can't be changed. He stank the place out last season. As I said plenty of times in pre-season, he can't be sold as he earns too much and no-one would pick up those wages and give us at least £10m. Therefore, we had to get him doing alright. To be fair, he's done a little better than alright and we missed him when he went off against Saints and then at Bournemouth.

Whether he's rehabilitated or not, we can judge come the end of the season. He's getting on so I'd be looking to take any decent offer we get.

Meantime, he has a certain “profile” (Silva's favourite word at the moment) that no-one else can match. What that means is no-one else is good at what he's good at whilst maintaining shape and discipline. Idrissa Gueye included.

I hope we get the best out of Schneiderlin and then flog him for as much as we can get next summer and get an upgrade on him. Neves would be the dream but he's only going to the best right now.

Bill Gienapp
8 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:21:24
His explanation of the training ground incident was mostly rambling nonsense but, let's be honest – if he can rediscover the form he showed when he first arrived, it would be a huge boost to the squad. The early signs are promising at least.

If he works hard and applies himself, I'm willing to write off last season.

Ian Burns
9 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:21:55
He's come out looking for support and explained he is trying to show it on the pitch, which for me he has done so far this season. In fact he was missed when he was substituted through injury.

Different manager, different attitude, new start. He gets my support and well done, Marco Silva.

Jeff Armstrong
10 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:22:49
I'm still waiting to see this dramatic improvement this season! I'll be honest, in my opinion, he has improved about 10% on last season; he's gone from a 4 to a 5 out of 10 for me.

I still see endless sideways and backwards short passes to where the ball came from, I still see cowardly closing down without a serious tackle, and I still see no creativity, shots at goal, or anything else a top team requires from its midfielders, even the defensive ones.

Paul Tran
11 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:24:43
It was a good article. Handsome is as handsome does. Terrible last season, improved so far this season. Looks to have a better defined/explained role, plus the impending competition breathing down his neck.
Dave Williams
12 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:26:05
Call me cynical but surely if what he says is the truth then he, Unsworth, Ferguson etc would have come straight out and said it at the time to cut the rumours out at a stroke?

That said, everyone is entitled to throw a hissy and regret it and, if he is now buckling down and can get back to his best, then the team will benefit.

Happy to give him a second chance!

Steve Ferns
13 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:26:37
Jeff, choose any player at all from another Premier League side to play the exact role Morgan Schneiderlin plays and explain how you envisage they will do it better.
John Cartwright
14 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:28:13
Sorry to rock the consensus but I want him gone, the strolling around and lack of effort have done for me. Davies gets slagged but I see effort there and hope he will come good.
Stephen Bird
15 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:32:05
Steve #13

Agree entirely, an unglamorous role that requires shape and discipline.
For me shots on target and forward forays are for others.

Jeff Armstrong
16 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:36:30
Steve #13. No... but Davies did it better than Schneiderlin when he went off against Southampton and I recall only one person saying Davies was average, and he didn't respond when 90% of people shouted him down and said Davies was very good in that game.
Gaute Lie
17 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:39:48
So his wife told him to better himself?

I would think a paycheck his size should tell him to be a 100%, if not loyalty to the Club. And did he ignore the coaches when they told him to better himself?
Steve Ferns
18 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:43:15
Jeff, I like Davies. But of the two defensive midfield roles, he's Gueye not Schneiderlin. I think he'll be better than Gueye. He could be Schneiderlin with experience, but he really needs to work on his passing.

And Jeff, if you meant me, I responded in detail with my article. We had Morgan Schneiderlin-sized holes in the middle after he went off and we had two midfielders on seek-and-destroy, rather than one sitting and holding position. But of course, they're running about a lot and expending energy, so it's all good...

That's the thing with fans, they have to see you do something to appreciate it. If you run about a lot but do little, they'll be more appreciative than if you hold position. Which is why so many loved the utterly shite liability called Besic.

Peter Laing
19 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:49:24
Morgan kept bad company in Kevin Mirallas. Mirallas is once again bad mouthing the Club this week saying he was forced out of the Club. Mirallas has no future at the Club and I would hazzard a guess that Morgan is on borrowed time, save for the generous contract and terms that he is unlikely to pick up elsewhere.

It's a good job that Everton have got Brands on board as the ludicrous decisions that were being made by Walsh couldn't continue. Knuckle down and Schneiderlin may have an opportunity to resurrect his career — although, under Silva, I expect wholesale changes to the squad over the next 2-3 transfer windows.

Mads Kamp
20 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:57:03
Gaute #17 Relax, mate...
Alex Doyle
21 Posted 10/09/2018 at 18:58:52
He was certainly not good enough last season, but so were many others. I don't buy the lack of effort, he's an important player to how Everton perform and we should get behind him.

It's noticeable how all of the players are talking in interviews about how they are now getting specific instructions for their roles. Something that was clearly lacking under Allardyce. No wonder all the players are better, they have a coach now.

Gaute Lie
22 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:00:16
Mads # 20

Seriously,

Should he not have listened to the coaches, the Club managment when they told him to sharpen his game? Yes.

Gaute Lie
23 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:04:37
Continued...

And he tells us he bettered himself when his old lady told him to do so. Why did he not do so earlier?

Honestly, I hope he's out of the team sooner rather than later, as I can't see his so-called progression.

And I don't trust he's playing for Everton at all — just for the cash Everton are splashing out on him.

Jeff Armstrong
28 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:21:54
Steve, by “fans” appreciating lots of running around without doing much, you mean the likes of me, rather than the likes of you, then fair enough.

What I see in Schneiderlin is a total fraud; what I see in Davies is a young lad constantly trying and giving 100%, never hiding, despite his limited abilities.

For what it's worth, I also thought Besic was shite, oh and Duncan Ferguson was quite average.

I know a player too, mate.

Mads Kamp
29 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:24:34
#Will 26
😉
Steve Ferns
30 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:28:09
Well we agree on 3 of the 4 Jeff. And no I didn’t mean me or you. Us fans always appreciate perspiration. It’s why the likes of Scott Gemmil got away with being shite.
Jeff Armstrong
33 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:41:37
Thats 4 out of 5 now Steve👍.we’re not that far apart in our “player” spotting after all!
Dave Evans
34 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:42:24
All players need to ask themselves wether they are good enough to be in any squad that could challenge the top six. If this season a player tries to improve and get up to standard in the new set up then surely they should get our support. I suspect we won't have to wait a whole season to see who is making the grade.

By the way, a window into the world of the personal standards of poster's who are calling players "pieces of shit" isn't needed.

Michael Kenrick
35 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:45:25
I agree, Dave. I think we'll float a new rule on this thread. In the interests of a higher standard of commentary.
Gaute Lie
36 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:51:06
Michael Kenrick,


So then we can all read the official Everton site as negative, humoristic or different opinions will be censored if you don't like them.

Thanks for making this Clear

Garry Corgan
37 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:52:39
Well fair enough. What else can he do?

After last season and the response he got from the crowd (rightly or wrongly) he could have hankered for a move, refused to train and 'got injured.' He hasn't. If he's being selected for the team, you have to believe that Silva and others believe he's putting in the effort on the training pitch and showing the right attitude.

Morgan was poor last season, but so were many others including a few who were irredeemably so, like Ashley Williams. While he appears to have said as much as he can say to The Times, now he has to go out there and show it on the pitch week-in, week-out and not complain when he's held to a higher standard than others.

John Keating
38 Posted 10/09/2018 at 19:55:55
As most agree, it will take a few windows for Silva to get his players in.

Hopefully the next window will enable him to get in the replacement for the fraud Schneiderlin is, and move him out to a Club that respects him, and also his missus's opinions.

Liam Reilly
39 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:00:39
There's a good player in there and if he's up for the challenge, the side could benefit.

I'd say get behind him and if he gets his attitude correct then he'll stay in the team.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
40 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:14:30
Gaute, if you have reasons to dislike a player, then state them.

Just don't come on here and call them "a piece of shit".

John Keating
41 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:19:15
Who has called anyone "a piece of shit" in this thread?
Christy Ring
42 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:19:25
He more or less admitted that he sulked, and a more positive attitude this season.

Imagine a midfield of Gemmill, Nyarko and Pembridge.

Steve Ferns
43 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:20:58
Don’t Christy, I only just finished therapy.
Paul Birmingham
44 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:22:19
Let's make judgement at Chrimbo and the end of the season.

He was rank bad last season, but so far in my view this season, there's a better balance in the team when he plays.

We all have our views on Tom Davies, who has potential, and I think this is his pivotal season as it will be for other players like Beni & Jonjoe.

Let's hope Morgan can maintain his game and the team gets winning momentum. Silva will decide and hopefully the whole squad are chomping at at the bit to get in the team. Competition for places and improving depth to the squad.

Let's hope we can beat West Ham, and the jinx of teams getting their first win of the season against us doesn't happen.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
45 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:27:24
John, Guate. I removed it.
John Keating
46 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:38:52
Ah. Okay, Michael, just I never saw that. Quick off the mark!

Gaute, try dross, rubbish, waster, lazy, fraudster has been used a fair bit. All apply!!

Steve Ferns
48 Posted 10/09/2018 at 20:59:03
Paul, do you mean pivotal because you have faith in young Tom, or like make or break and if he doesn’t have a good season he’s done?

I think it’s a pivotal season for Holgate and Calvert-Lewin. I’d have said Lookman too, but if he flops he’s still got Germany. But Holgate and Calvert-Lewin have to come through this season if they are ever to make it to the top. Failure to do so and they’ll never amount to squad players or realise potential envisaged a year or so ago. Personally, I think both will have a break-out season.

Jamie Crowley
50 Posted 10/09/2018 at 21:13:31
He’s not my favorite player, but to be fair he’s been very good this season. Excellent in fact if you ask me.

He was one of the players I thought Silva could turn around.

I say get behind the guy. Anyone who has these moments are simply human. If they double down and correct their ways, good for them and that should be appreciated.

Redemption is one of my favorite things about sport in general. We have a player trying to redeem himself after a shit season.

I personally applaud that.

Can’t change the past, but you can reform and redeem yourself. Happens all the time. The real pricks are the ones who don’t attempt to change and don’t put in the effort. The good guys try, even if they ultimately fail.

Lev Vellene
51 Posted 10/09/2018 at 21:18:17
I hope he can do what he did up until the last game, because he was horrible along with the rest of the team for that one!

Those first games after he joined us, with passes going forwards most of the time! Well, that is how I remember those days...

If Morgan can rediscover his forwards-looking passes (instead of the ones that always went/goes sideways/backwards), like he did early on this season, then he can win back the fans!

Mike Gaynes
52 Posted 10/09/2018 at 21:58:01
It's about time he said something. His silence up to now has done him no good. But I too see signs of the player he was in the spring of 2017, and hopefully he'll begin getting forward into the attack as he did then.

Lev #51, it wasn't sideways passing that cost him fan support. It was lazy, indifferent defending that infuriated us as the opponents he was responsible for marking were given free rein instead, costing us goals and games.

Tony Everan
53 Posted 10/09/2018 at 22:04:44
Good on him for speaking up, if he starts putting in 100% performances week in week out like we all know he can do he will be well liked and respected by all.

I think he has started this season in a much better frame of mind. There is no reason why he can’t keep it up and get stronger too.

John Keating
54 Posted 10/09/2018 at 22:07:33
Mike
you are right, it is time he said something.

However, just read what he says, especially regarding the training ground incident.

Honestly, does it really sound normal, something that would actually be said?

If it doesn't sound right it usually isn't. Sounds bloody stupid in my opinion, the whole lot.

He can say what he wants. All's I know is what I actually saw and to me he has no excuse.

Listening to some they make it sound as if he's the second coming. How balanced we are with him, how we need him. I just hope Silva spends the next window or two either getting a replacement or, letting one of our present lads step up.

Irreplaceable he definitely is not.

Jerome Shields
55 Posted 10/09/2018 at 22:12:41
He has had a difficult job to do in the position he is asked to play in. He has been trying to defend with undependable defenders behind him and midfielders that play deep and loses possession in front of him.

Last season, he also had to contend with a high opposition defence line that was able to push into midfield, supporting forward play. This season, he is still cautious, but things have improved behind him and in front of him.

Don Alexander
57 Posted 10/09/2018 at 22:37:14
Schneiderlin is typical of the way too many modern players, and way too many at Finch Farm for the past three years, behave. They never want to take responsibility, individually or for the collective team. They shirk the effort demanded to make the team a winning concern. Cossetted by their grasping agents they all seem to say, "It's somebody else's fault, not mine."

Thank the Lord Schneiderlin married a pretty Mancunian shop assistant though, who's been able to point out the realities of real-world life. Maybe at this relatively late stage in his career he can get his nut down (like she probably did) and try to show talents that will again cause inquiries from other Champions League qualifying clubs to be made, or even get a few more caps for France, or even get us into the top four.

If you're close to that before the end of this season Morgan, I'll believe you.

Tom Bowers
58 Posted 10/09/2018 at 22:51:58
It can't have been easy playing in an Everton team over the last couple of years and some other years gone by under people like Moyes.

Sure, along the way there were some really good players and some good results but far too often there has been disappointment.

Schneiderlin was a decent player with Soton and good enough to be wanted by Man Utd but his form has dropped off since going to Man Utd but that does happen for some reason. (Can anyone explain why Alexis Sanchez is struggling?)

However, Schneiderlin is showing signs of doing better, much like Walcott who had also been in the doldrums at Arsenal.

Silva could be a catalyst to get this team on track and only time will tell if Schneiderlin can play a significant role.

Personally, I think Macca would be better in that role once he is fully fit as he is much more mobile.

Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 10/09/2018 at 23:44:19
John #54, honestly I don't care about the training ground incident. Four different people would have four different versions of that. What I care about is what happens on the pitch, and you're right, there's no excuse for what he put out there last season. I didn't want him back, but if Silva has kept faith in him, I'm more than willing to give him a chance to earn back my support.

Dan #59, thanks for that insightful contribution. If you post without reading others, what are you doing here? Better to pick up a spray can and find an empty wall. It'll last longer.

Mike Gaynes
61 Posted 10/09/2018 at 23:47:32
Did I hallucinate a post by Dan Davies? Or Michael, did you wield your terrible swift sword on it?
Michael Kenrick
62 Posted 10/09/2018 at 23:48:18
I know it's an International break and all sorts of garbage is grist for the mill, but how does an article like this come about?

For me, it's far too early for Schneiderlin to claim a real renaissance in form, and yes, players have to have a hugely over-inflated sense of their own importance, but did this come from the player, his agent, the club, our PR department, the journo (Paul Joyce, Northern Football Corespondent)... a seed planted by Brands or Moshiri... who was the driver behind this relatively high-profile puff piece proclaiming that everything is now good again, and we are only "looking forward"?

Michael Kenrick
63 Posted 10/09/2018 at 23:51:31
Yes, just says "he's been shite" and "fuck off". Are we not better than that?

Oh and boasting that he has not bothered to read any of the previous posts. Checky bugger!
Mike Gaynes
64 Posted 10/09/2018 at 23:56:49
Bravo, Michael. Well done.

Now be a good fellow and edit out the second paragraph of my post #60 or people will think I've been into the magic mushrooms again. Thanks.

Andy Crooks
65 Posted 10/09/2018 at 00:04:28
I saw two games last season in which this player did not try. Players can have off days but they should try. After Alex Nyarko, this the most utterly lamentable, feeble disgrace for a footballer I have ever seen.
Gavin Johnson
66 Posted 11/09/2018 at 01:12:41
A good interview from Morgan. Schneiderlin seems to have done a lot of self-reflection and I think we are starting to see the player we initially saw when we signed him. In the 2nd half of his initial season, he looked a very good buy.

IMO, he had turned the corner at the back end of last season but he still needs to put in a few more shifts before he wins over his most vocal critics. But he's made a good start in doing that this season.

James Flynn
67 Posted 11/09/2018 at 01:13:53
If he's going to give his best, fine.

It won't change the fact that there's nothing special about him as a footballer.

Derek Thomas
68 Posted 11/09/2018 at 01:24:19
Right, great, all explained, we're all one big happy family again. But the fact remains that the new improved, keen to put it all behind him, born again happy camper Schneiderlin is still only doing a barely average job and if that's as good as he gets, some people must be easily satisfied.

I've never quite got this "he's on too much money to move" bollocks... If we had an offer and he was that keen to go for pastures new, taking a pay drop (Ha... only on £xxx thousand a week, instead of £xxxxx thousand) wouldn't matter.

But no, he'll do us a favour, grace us with his presence, stay for the money and have the good grace to up his efforts to barely average... thanks mate, true blue legend you.

Rick Barnes
69 Posted 11/09/2018 at 01:38:05
I completely agree with Mike Gaynes at #52, it's not the lack of forward passing that infuriates me, as that's not really his role – it's his style of defence which is hard to take.

To me, he's like a sheepdog. He seems to often stay a few metres from the attacker with the ball, shepherding them left or right, but not actually going at them and tackling, winning the ball, or forcing an errant pass. They have all the time in the world to pass to another player, and then it's not Schneiderlin's problem, it's someone else's. There are times it's best to keep your feet, but also times when a sliding tackle would be more appropriate, and too often I think he comes off with a spotlessly clean kit...

However, I don't think the debacle of last season falls mostly at his feet, I think it's more that in a crucial part of the pitch we had a triangle of Sheepdog Schneiderlin in front of Williams 'turtling' into his own shirt, and 'bunny in headlights' Keane...

Rick Barnes
70 Posted 11/09/2018 at 01:47:52
But enough of a little rant about last season, I'd much rather say something about this season:

I'm really enjoying it, and looking forward to games! We're not going to win every game, we still have problems and frailties, but we're going out there to win and score goals, and that's the football I want to watch.

I'm happy with the players we've let move on, and happy with the players we've signed. To continue the animal analogies, Digne is a whippet down the flanks, Zouma strong as a bull (as well as calm and composed), and Richarlison trickier than a hatful of monkeys – and we haven't even seen what the rest can add to our team.

With the very young, dynamic set of players we're putting together, I can see the genesis of an Everton I can be excited to watch, week-in and week-out... 🙂

Victor Yu
71 Posted 11/09/2018 at 01:59:06
Davies is better than him? Give me a break!
Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 11/09/2018 at 02:31:22
"Sheepdog" Schneiderlin. There's my chuckle for the evening!

But Rick, I feel the same... can't wait for the next game. Last season I sorta dreaded it. Like a trip to the dentist.

David Ellis
73 Posted 11/09/2018 at 03:00:14
His re-counting of the training "incident" just makes no sense. Where was the bit about him going home? How come the Club didn't send an official message that he wasn't "sent home"? I don't understand this at all unless there really was a bit of an attitude problem – which he half admits (whilst not really admitting anything).

It would be much better if he's said his wife had pointed out he'd not been putting in the effort and he realised he'd been sulking and playing within himself and decided this season to get back into the game. I'd have "got" that. He's only human after all. But this mealy-mouthed nonsense is unhelpful.

Anyway, that aside, I think he's a decent player and glad he's found some form. He will shine in a team with good movement in front of him.

Ernie Baywood
74 Posted 11/09/2018 at 03:23:49
“Duncan said to me, ‘Morgan, I understand you are tired, you played two days ago. There is no problem, if you want to rest and go inside, you can rest and go inside.' I said, ‘Thank you' and I went inside."

That sums him up for me. Give him an excuse and he takes it. We see that on the pitch all the time – offer him an easy way out and he chooses it every time. Cheap foul rather than a chase, drop in between the centre-backs rather than find space further up the pitch, simple irrelevant pass rather than risk something for the team. Happy for someone like Mason Holgate to play our balls forward so he doesn't cop any flack for losing it.

I want the bloke who says: "No, Duncan, as a team and as individuals we're struggling at the moment – it wouldn't be right to go and have a nap instead of doing my job."

We can reasonably assume that he's presenting the best version of the incident. And it's still so far off being alright!

I recall a teacher once telling me that if I wasn't going to do the preparation then I shouldn't bother turning up to class and wasting his time. The next lesson he came and grabbed the playing cards out of my hand in the sixth form common room. I repeated to him what he had told me. He called me a fucking idiot. And he was right, I was a childish, lazy, fucking idiot. I had the excuse of being 16 though.

Alan J Thompson
75 Posted 11/09/2018 at 05:14:09
"You're tired as you played two days ago, so go inside and have a lie down with all the others who played."

Does this rule him out of the next Carabao Cup game which comes so soon after the weekend match? How gullible do they think we are?!?

He was rubbish last season and has only marginally improved so far this season. It is still nowhere near good enough.

Kieran Fitzgerald
76 Posted 11/09/2018 at 06:47:19
Normally, I'm not a fan of the international breaks. However, I think this one has come at a good time for the manager and squad. It has given them an extra period of time to focus on what they need to improve on, as a squad, a starting eleven and as individuals.

Up to the Huddersfield game, Silva only had a pre-season in July and a handful of competitive games in August to change things. You could see improvements on the pitch.

For underperforming players from last season, like Schneiderlin, the break gives them a chance to learn under Silva and change things around.

As an aside, I heard Paul Merson say on Gilette Soccer Saturday that he had watched Everton this season and that the team hadn't looked especially fit. Fair enough we were down to ten men in two of the games but you wonder if this is part of the reason we couldn't see the Wolves and Bournemouth games out. Hopefully extra fitness is something also being worked on.

Rick Pattinson
77 Posted 11/09/2018 at 07:29:38
I think Mirallas used to tease Schneiderlin, claiming he had a better haircut and more expensive football boots... On one occasion, he threw his jumper in a hedge; this, in turn, had a devastating effect on his performance last season.
Jon Withey
78 Posted 11/09/2018 at 08:01:10
He has been better so far this season. He was garbage last season but that can't be changed now – if his wife has found his mojo again, it's good for the squad.
Steve Ferns
79 Posted 11/09/2018 at 08:04:53
I wouldn't listen to anything Paul Merson says. He's desperate for Silva to fail. He's fed up of people rubbing his nose in it.

Also, I think a lot of the criticism of Schneiderlin is criticism of the position. Dropping between the centre-backs is certainly to instruction. Holding position and forcing the man with the ball onto someone else is too.

Going at them is vacating position. It's what Gueye would do and they simply pass around him into a hole he's just vacated. Schneiderlin has to hold his position and maintain shape.

Martin Nicholls
80 Posted 11/09/2018 at 08:24:58
I think I could hazard a good guess as to what Ferguson actually said to him and the tone in which it was said! Schneiderlin's version makes Duncan sound like a pussycat!
Lee Brownlie
81 Posted 11/09/2018 at 09:20:40
Funny – not funny! – some posts on here!!!

Morgan Schneiderlin says in an interview how his wife, his family, and his friends, helped get his head back into gear when he was basically doubting himself and feeling particularly bad that he was being perceived as 'not giving a shit', and it gets turned into he says he upped his game ONLY because his missus had a word in his shell-like and absolutely not because he's paid so well, or was even advised to do so by his coaches, as a professional footballer at a Premier League team.

And let's just ignore the apology for getting sent off, right?

Really? His missus is his only inspiration?

That what he said???

Dave Abrahams
83 Posted 11/09/2018 at 09:35:56
His wife and friends have to keep at him, because he is
kidding himself if he thinks he can't do better than he has performed this season, he just does enough, never puts himself into a sweat, never goes the extra mile for the team, or maybe I'm wrong and it the case that what he shows is all he's got.
Tom McEwan
84 Posted 11/09/2018 at 10:19:21
Michael Kenrick the Tsar of ToffeeWeb. Steve Ferns, you are a lawyer aren't you? Changing people's posts without their permission is an infringement of copyright isn't it?

Even if it isn't you all now have a general idea of Editorial Policy here.

Alex Doyle
85 Posted 11/09/2018 at 10:57:19
@ 79. Good point Steve, he's not Roy Keane, his job is to sit and to link. A deep lying playmaker, who starts moves and makes himself available.

Tom Davies wants to be box to box and is not the same player at all. I see a lot of people saying that Gomes is going to replace Schneiderlin when fit - far more likely to replace Davies.

Brent Stephens
86 Posted 11/09/2018 at 10:59:14
Tom "Changing people's posts without their permission is an infringement of copyright isn't it? Even if it isn't you all now have a general idea of Editorial Policy here".

Maybe it depends on the conditions of use you signed up to when you joined TW - Condition #10?

Tony Abrahams
87 Posted 11/09/2018 at 11:18:34
A criticism of the position? Brilliant!
Dennis Stevens
88 Posted 11/09/2018 at 11:22:27
It's now over an hour since Tom's post #84 & the opening sentence still hasn't been altered to read "Michael Kenrick the Star of ToffeeWeb." I am quite disappointed to see such an open goal ignored.
Brian Harrison
89 Posted 11/09/2018 at 11:32:31
So this professional footballer had to have his wife to tell him he needed to perform better, what happened to professional pride in a performance. No player can play great every week but the fans demand at least 100% effort as a minimum requirement and he didnt give 100% in every game.

I know someone who was at Finch Farm on the day he and Mirallas were sent home from training, and it was nothing like Scheiderlin claims happened. I was told that the rest of the squad had started training and he and Mirallas were on another training pitch in the centre circle chipping balls onto the crossbar. Unsworth told Ferguson to tell them to either join in training or go home not in such polite words. Both decided to go home.

Steve Ferns, are you really standing by what you said in your post 13 about name any player from another club who could do a better job than Scneiderlin in that position. So you really believe he is the best holding midfield player in the Premiership. And if you do believe that why did you say in another post that nobody would buy him for £10 million in the summer.

Brian Williams
90 Posted 11/09/2018 at 12:06:45
I stand by what I, and others, have said about Schneiderlin and that's that he "often" doesn't show for the ball when he quite easily could.
He's done that on several occasions this season.
The flipside of that is that when he went off against Soton we suffered.
Go figure, I can't!

Brian#89.So this professional footballer had to have his wife to tell him he needed to perform better,

We're still on the footy here Bri, right? ;-)

Rob B Williams
91 Posted 11/09/2018 at 12:07:19
'you are a lawyer aren't you?'

There are lawyers and lawyers Tom, some good some not so good. Some prosecute others defend. Schneiderlin is a defender and would appeal to a defence (lawyer) - if you know what I mean.

Some lawyers like to ensure that people have the full facts at their disposal, both the prosecution version of events and a full understanding of the law, in order to make the correct decision about how to deal with their case.

However the law of copyright may not be every lawyer's cup of tea, as many know little about other branches of the law and prefer to deal with the criminal element, their forte, with particular reference to the defence of the defenceless.

I rest my case M'lud.

(Surprising what you can find on the www.)

Brian Harrison
92 Posted 11/09/2018 at 12:15:24
Brian

Maybe his wife was talking about something quite different to football and he assumed it was about his performance on the field, no I am not suggesting she is talking about outdoor activities either. I think I had better stop there.

Daniel A Johnson
93 Posted 11/09/2018 at 12:31:43
There is 100% no need for him to come out and say this no matter how much he is hurting. Its juts rakes up the past.

Cross the white line at 3pm and show us you care Morgan. He's a cracking player he just needs to get his head down and work hard. That's the way to prove us wrong.


Merle Urquart
94 Posted 11/09/2018 at 12:37:04
Thanks for that wonderful insight Morgan as to what motivates you as a footballer, kindly please go a steal a living from another football club because from where I stand the only thing that motivates you is £100000+ per week that tumbles into you bank account for doing fuck all...FOR A WHOLE YEAR.

I don't wish to be divisive or insult posters on here but if people think this guy is all of a sudden going to turn into a game changer then they've been taking stupid pills! I will be the first to apologise if this is the case, but a this juncture I'm not worried. What does worry me is why so many Evertonians are so forgiving for a bare minimum of form change. He's quite literally had the kecks of us as a club.

Sean Dyce made for me a really poignant pearl of wisdom about his footballing philosophy which go's along the lines of "the minimum requirement is maximum effort" this is probably why Burnley finished above us and qualified for Europe, have a think about that one Morgan perhaps we can get a box of kittens for you to play with before every match to get you in the right frame of mind.

John Keating
95 Posted 11/09/2018 at 12:42:46
His missus probably told him to get his act together.

Cherie, vous were found out at Manchester United. Cette idiot scouserz team give you more money than we've ever had. Ils est non other team daft enough to give vous so much loot. Toe le line, pretend vous give a shit, so I don't have to do weekends in le Manchester sports shop to get cheap Nikes.

We can do all the fantastic tactical reports on this fraudster we want. The fact is he's a one pony show with the odd forward pass. Refuses to tackle, refuses to track back and continually loses his man.

If he was as good as some on here try to persuade us he is then what is he still doing here ?

PG Malcolm
96 Posted 11/09/2018 at 12:57:16
No wonder he always looks knackered, the jammy bastard!
Steve Ferns
97 Posted 11/09/2018 at 13:02:30
I was really interested in copyright law (intellectual property) and did a module on it on my LPC. But that was 2001 so I’ve forgotten far more than I remember. Essentially I would agree with Brent at #86.

“are you really standing by what you said in your post 13 about name any player from another club who could do a better job than Scneiderlin in that position. So you really believe he is the best holding midfield player in the Premiership. And if you do believe that why did you say in another post that nobody would buy him for £10 million in the summer”

I never said he was the best holding midfielder in the Premier League (it's not been called 'the Premiership' since Carling ceased its sponsorship). What I was asking for was for someone to pick a player and explain how such a player would perform better than Schneiderlin in his role. I’m interested because a lot of the criticism I see is because people don’t seem to understand what Silva is asking him to do, or what Allardyce asked him to do, or what Koeman asked him to do. Therefore, I was looking as to what player would be selected and what the critic would say this player would do better.

For what it’s worth I’d say there’s a number of players better in his position but these are players like Fred, Fernandinho, and Jorginho. They would still attract criticism because they play a disciplined role to instruction. Sure all three are a million times better. This position relies on others and the player can really look bad if his teammates don’t defend with him, or stand around like statues and are marked so he has no one to pass to. A lot of the criticism is justified but some should be redirected at other players.

Steve Ferns
98 Posted 11/09/2018 at 13:06:43
PG I wonder what attracted the beautiful shop assistant / student to the £120,000 per week footballer?
Henry Lloyd
99 Posted 11/09/2018 at 13:10:47
I am quite impressed to read what he has had to say and let’s be honest the training ground incident is totally irrelevant.

It takes a man to admit you have been shit and to tell people it hurts to be critisised by almost every Evertonian. I am no different I think he was an absolute liability.

This season he has shown that he can play football and I sincerely hope that he can keep the consistency because he could turn out to be very very important this season.

Well done son keep the attitude and you will succeed!!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

100 Posted 11/09/2018 at 13:13:07
When you see some of the WAGS some pug ugly footballers are married to, I'm always reminded of Peter Crouch's response when asked:

"Peter, if you weren't a professional footballer, what do you think you'd be?"

"A virgin" was his very honest self-depreciating reply.

Henry Lloyd
101 Posted 11/09/2018 at 13:16:00
Steve #97 That is actually a very good post and I agree with what you have said re looking fucking awful if your defence is a crap as ours was. So you are absolutely spot on.
PG Malcolm
102 Posted 11/09/2018 at 13:18:54
Steve (@98) haha you're right. Reminds of me Mrs Merton's question to Debbie McGee.
Craig Walker
103 Posted 11/09/2018 at 13:27:03
I'm sure going home to Camille after another abject performance for the Blues would help me get some focus and motivation too. It might also explain why he was tired and took up Duncan's offer.

I read the articles by Becky Tallentire that are posted on ToffeeWeb about past players and their wives. When you read about former greats like Bryan Labone, Joe Royle etc. in those excellent articles, you realise just how up their own arses, pampered and money-driven the modern footballer really is. These ex players played through injuries, sacrificed time with their families and had modest lifestyles which, although well-paid for their time, were much more in line with the average football fan. It's that loyalty and commitment which they each showed that makes these players great. It's why the likes of Morgan Schneiderlin will never be seen as a legend at any club that employs him.

Sam Hoare
104 Posted 11/09/2018 at 14:13:56
Fair enough. He was poor last season but at least he puts his hand up and says he took a good look at himself.

He has been better this season, already making more assists than he has in the last two seasons. There's a decent player in there and if he keeps working hard then he will regain the fans respect and be a useful asset for us this year.

Mike Gaynes
105 Posted 11/09/2018 at 14:38:03
I remember the controversy here when he was booed on against Palace. Many felt we should never boo our own players, and I sort of agreed, but had I been in the Park End that day I'd have been booing my lungs out. As unfortunate as the moment was, it sounds like the fans got through to him.

Merle #94, nobody here has said a word about him "turning into a game-changer" -- most here would be fine with just plain adequate -- but the fact is that he was a game-changer just 17 months ago. So hoping he becomes one again doesn't require "stupid pills", just wild-eyed optimism.

Steve #98, you have to admit he's a good-looking dude as well. My wife thinks so anyway.

John G Davies
106 Posted 11/09/2018 at 14:43:03
Steve, Jay.

Post a photo of yourselves lads.
I am expecting two George Clooney lookalikes.

Tom McEwan
107 Posted 11/09/2018 at 15:14:21
Thanks Brent @86 for the clarification regarding condition 10. I just don't think its right that he should castigate a poster (in the role of contributor as @63 for example and contrary to condition 4) for writing something that he had already removed in the guise of moderator. 'Two coats' and all that entails.

There is a regular poster on here that has quite an obsession with excrement ( words such as, batshit, poo, dung, shit, shite, litter virtually every post) but he does not appear to be governed by the same moderation 'standard'.

On topic, Schneiderlin is, erm, not very good

Merle Urquart
108 Posted 11/09/2018 at 15:39:30
Mike 105

I precisely agree that when he first came he sat just in front of the back four and played a slick short game taking out on coming midfielders with subtle, clever passes and just generally linking up play very nicely, this Schneiderlin has gone and its not down to ability, its down to attitude.

I'm expecting no trees to be pulled up from his performances in the future, just plain old plod along adequate (I for one am not happy with adequate @ £120K pw) and that's if we're lucky. A dream move back to France will eventually beckon and then we'll read all about his English nightmare. I think this bearing all statement is pure PR shite.

Merle Urquart
109 Posted 11/09/2018 at 15:46:05
Tom 107

Just read your post ooops

Brent Stephens
110 Posted 11/09/2018 at 16:26:04
Mike #105 "you have to admit he's a good-looking dude as well. My wife thinks so anyway".

Is that a backhanded way of saying that as Schneids is good-looking, and your wife thinks so, then she must have good taste, and therefore she must have exercised that good taste when she married a smasher?

Brent Stephens
111 Posted 11/09/2018 at 16:28:56
Tom #107 "not very good".

Steady on!

PG Malcolm
112 Posted 11/09/2018 at 16:57:10
@Brent (100) Your Mrs thinks he is a good looking bloke? Friggin hell la, you must look like Quasimodo!
Brent Stephens
113 Posted 11/09/2018 at 17:13:43
PG - his wife, not mine! Though mine did get me to ring the bells on our wedding day.
Mike Gaynes
114 Posted 11/09/2018 at 17:40:48
Brent #110, I like your circular reasoning, but the TW lads who met me on my last trip over are falling down laughing right now.
Steve Ferns
115 Posted 11/09/2018 at 17:43:36
Mike, I was making the Mrs Merton joke. You won’t know Mrs Merton (RIP) so here’s the clip for you:

mrs Merton

Mike Gaynes
116 Posted 11/09/2018 at 17:55:50
Cheers, Steve. You're right, I've never heard of this, but that's pretty funny.
Si Cooper
117 Posted 11/09/2018 at 20:50:51
He may have improved but I agree with those that he could still up his game when it comes to chasing / tackling the opposition and making himself available / controlling the tempo of a game.

He is a senior pro with plenty of ability who is currently still too passive for me. If he hasn't got any more to give then I am hoping we can find a pairing in the centre of midfield that can give us his strengths without his weaknesses.

Ian Linn
118 Posted 12/09/2018 at 03:14:32
He does care - he just has a funny way of showing it.
Rick Barnes
119 Posted 12/09/2018 at 04:27:53
Steve, you say "the criticism I see is because people don't seem to understand what Silva is asking him to do, or what Allardyce asked him to do, or what Koeman asked him to do" and "a lot of the criticism of Schneiderlin is criticism of the position. Dropping between the centre-backs is certainly to instruction. Holding position and forcing the man with the ball onto someone else is too"

I don't know, I might be wrong and you may be right. You seem to know a lot about football.

But if you are right, then surely Morgan has the easiest job of all of football. If his 'holding midfielder' role only requires him to defend a patch of turf, shuffle a few metres left or right patrolling the 'D' and not worry about defending, winning the ball or tackling... Then surely there are hundreds of players who could do that. Hell, I reckon my dad could do that. Or a sheepdog. Or a big tree.

Perhaps our different views come from you see his role as a 'Holding' midfielder, and so if he 'holds' he's doing his job. I see his role as a 'defensive' midfielder, and as such I expect him to 'hold' when required – but I also expect him to read the situation, and when required he should be tackling, looking for opportunities to break, and all the other skills of a defensive midfielder.

When he strolled across the top of the penalty box, patrolling his patch of grass in that damning footage against Arsenal at the Emirates, you could probably argue that he was doing his job, fulfilling his role. Holding.

I think when he saw his teammate beaten, he should have reacted accordingly. And Defended. That's why I think we have very different views as to whether Schniederlin is a decent footballer.

Bobby Mallon
120 Posted 12/09/2018 at 06:20:59
Defensive midfielder, attacking midfielder blah blah he’s a midfielder and should be able to do both. The thing is he’s not very good at doing any but he’s better than Davies that’s the problem.
Andy Meighan
121 Posted 12/09/2018 at 13:51:58
While the likes of him, Sigurdsson, Davies and Gueye are operating in the midfield, then I'm afraid we're going to be battling for the 'best of the rest' title.

As for Schneiderlin and his self-pitying plea to get us back on side – don't bother Another of Ronnie's awful purchases along with many others. I've seen every game this season and can honestly say he looks no different to last season. He doesn't influence the game at all and, when we're under the cosh, he hides. Apart from one raking 60-yard crossfield pass against Huddersfield, I'm struggling to see what he brings to the party.

An awful player whose attitude stinks. And what does his wife have to do with all this? If she's that much of a motivator and therapist... get her on the coaching staff.

Steve Ferns
122 Posted 12/09/2018 at 14:37:13
Rick, I'd say he has the hardest, most difficult and most important position on the pitch.

First off, he's the shield in front of the defence and his job is to stop anything going through the middle and anyone getting a run at the centre-backs. Last season, he did this very badly and this season he's doing it a lot better.

Secondly, his job is to drop and cover the left back with Gueye covering the right back, although I've spotted Schneiderlin at right back at times. He also slots into the back four as a centre-back if someone gets caught out. He will also make the defence into a back three at times, splitting the centre-backs, which is why there's no need for us to play a back three.

Thirdly, and most importantly, his job is to initiate the attacks. I've not seen him hit any long diagonal passes, which Silva's teams thrive off, so I can only assume this is to instruction as Schniderlin is capable of doing it. Perhaps Silva doesn't think Schneiderlin is accurate enough or maybe he wants to play differently at Everton (better players means they don't have to be quite so direct?). Instead Silva has us using shorter, fast passes through the middle. This is a key area for Schneiderlin and he effectively sets the tempo for the side. See the Saints game were the tempo dropped without him. If he has a bad game, like Huddersfield, then the whole team can struggle. It's on him to make sure that the ball moves quickly up the pitch. He dictates this.

I've still got criticisms of the lad, including why he's not hitting long passes and getting the ball up to Walcott and Richarlison quicker, but maybe this needs to be asked of Silva. I think he goes to ground too easily and gives away fouls and gets cards as a result. His tackling is not actually very good.

But he's held shape very well, he's defended as part of a solid unit and you can see that shape evident in most games and no one is getting many chances to get at our back four. Instead, everything has to come down the flanks. This means that the attacker needs to turn inside or hold the ball up for a cross and so we get defenders back in numbers, particularly when countered.

So despite committing men forwards, despite pressing aggressively, we are not getting ripped apart when we turn the ball over. It's Schneiderlin to thank for that. Holding an attacker up, jockeying him, forcing the square pass, it's all far less glamorous defending than a Gueye interception but it's equally as effective.

I think we will start to move the ball even faster and counter more effectively, but that relies on more than Schneiderlin's passing and we need to see better movement off the ball with more runs into space.

If you want to see someone who is in superb form doing exactly what we want from Schneiderlin, then watch Jorginho of Chelsea closely. Also, note Kante much further up the pitch being box to box. I foresee Gueye being like this once Gomes gets fit enough to start, and we play more of a 4-3-3.

Alan J Thompson
123 Posted 12/09/2018 at 17:19:31
Steve (#122); If that is what he is supposed to do, then it is a waste of a player — and, if it is on the coach's instructions, then it is not working and we've appointed the wrong man.
Pete Wilson
124 Posted 12/09/2018 at 18:11:38
I don't care where the wake-up call comes from as long as it is heeded. Difficult times at Goodison haven't helped anyone and it's no wonder committing to positions and tackles has been erratic with the defensive shambles behind.

Last season's gone, thankfully, along with many players' poor seasons, so for me, it's a clean slate for everyone. Any player wearing an Everton shirt should be supported even through difficult times – and there's been plenty of them over the last 40-odd years I've been watching them.

He's started the season a whole lot better than he ended it; only time will tell whether he has what Silva needs going forward. I for one hope the manager can utilise his experience and get the best out of him as his tactics bed down, allowing money to be spent improving other areas of the squad.

Brian Wilkinson
125 Posted 13/09/2018 at 12:19:08
Have to say the guy has put a better shift in this season, if that is his Mrs at the top of the thread, no wonder the guy was walking around the pitch like John Wayne the lucky get.
Jeff Armstrong
126 Posted 14/09/2018 at 19:20:37
Headline says “Schneiderlin says he does care”. I don't care if he cares, he's a coward and a fraud and it matters not a jot what he says.

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