Niasse secures Cardiff loan move

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Updated Oumar Niasse has joined Cardiff City subject to approval from the Premier League in a move that will see him represent the Bluebirds until the end of the season.

Sky Sports reported on Wednesday that the Senegalese striker had agreed terms with the Welsh club who have been on the lookout for a potential goalscorer to bolster their bid to avoid relegation back to the Championship.

This will be Niasse's second loan spell away from Goodison Park since his largely unsuccessful move to Everton from Lokomotiv Moscow four years ago. He spent the latter half of the 2015-16 campaign at Hull City playing under Marco Silva and scored a number of goals but wasn't able to prevent the Tigers' demotion.

Niasse's temporary transfer runs contrary to assertions made by Silva and Marcel Brands that no further players would be leaving this month unless it was on a permanent basis but a footballing decision appears to have been made to give the striker a chance to get some first-team football.

He underwent a medical in South Wales on Wednesday evening while Paul Joyce of The Times claimed that Cardiff have an option to buy should all go well.  


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Kase Chow
1 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:26:43
Erm, how does that help is in any way???

If he's sold, then we may generate funds for a purchase

If he's kept, then he's an option to play and possibly score for us

But a loan deal??? Other than wages paid for us, I can't see how this helps.

Even if there's a loan fee paid, does that offset the reduction in the fee over the lifetime of his contract?

Scratching my head... how does this help us in any material way?

Brian Williams
2 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:30:40
You answered your own question.
James Doran
3 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:32:16
Kase,

I think we need to trust Brands.

Terry Smith
4 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:32:37
He is 3rd or 4th in line as our striker. If anything he will get game time and hopefully goals that will increase his fee. Good luck to the lad.

I see we are linked with Dzeko the last few days. I would have him all day long for a quick fix.

Martin Berry
5 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:32:55
A bit of a mystery unless someone coming in is imminent?

I am with Kase #1 on struggling trying to understand the logic in this one.

James Doran
6 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:35:43
I don’t think Brands would let him go unless he had another striker coming in.
Brian Williams
7 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:43:47
Is the logic not perfectly clear? We have a player who is not going to play unless there was a catalogue of injuries. So we're paying let's say £50k a week for nowt.

We loan him out, the club we loan him to pay his wages. We get someone decent in for the same wages, there's your logic.

We get someone decent in and have to pay him £70k a week, then you're getting a decent player for £20k a week outlay. Not hard to understand.

Sam Hoare
8 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:46:41
I think, if there was a good permanent offer coming, then they would take it. My guess is there isn't.

If they are paying a million or two loan fee and covering his wages, then I can see that makes sense.

I wonder if this means Batshuayi coming this way? His loan move to Monaco has stalled today as apparently Chelsea prefer a permanent option.

James Doran
9 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:48:01
Batshuayi or Dzeko would be great.
Les Moorcroft
10 Posted 16/01/2019 at 19:49:56
Brands keeping the wage bill down. Is it worth paying over the odds in this window or waiting? I can't see us in a relegation scrap. I can't see us battling to win the league. 7th I for one hope not. Wait for the next window see what the market brings.
James Doran
11 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:00:42
Les,

We should get the best non-cup-tied striker that we can in.

Jamie Crowley
12 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:11:57
I'm with Brian Williams on this one. It's perfectly understandable and logical, and a good move for the player and Club.

Clearly, there's no buyers on a permanent basis. I have to assume we'd cut the cord for just about any reasonable amount.

The wages are now off the books for the next few months, and Oumar is officially in the shop window and has motivation to increase his valuation to get a good move.

Niasse is now 4th choice behind Calvert-Lewin, Tosun, and Richarlison. He's not going to play in the next 5-6 months. A loan is perfectly understandable and a smart move for all involved.

Les Moorcroft
13 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:17:37
James, I understand but what it means is someone who can't get in their first team. Or they would be cup-tied. Someone who is in a side that is not pushing for honours. If they were, why leave?

Someone who wants to come. Someone we're going to have to pay over the odds because the time of the year. Or someone over the hill on his last pay day. A lot of clubs are panicking for a goal scorer at the moment, lad.

Alan McGuffog
14 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:19:34
Niasse and Tosun are not up to it. Calvert-Lewin may have the makings of a player. We are not going to finish in the top six... be lucky to fit in the top half. We may have a decent cup run. Are we bothered anyway?

Is there ever a better time to give Calvert-Lewin a run? Are there 17 games left? if so, tell the lad that he is going to start every game and it is his chance. What the fuck are we waiting for? If he isn't deserving of a proper run, then get shut.

James Doran
15 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:22:59
Les,

I think Brands will have someone coming in that fits the bill, mate.

Robin Cannon
16 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:28:05
Is it just me, or does it feel like the worst possible way to persuade someone to buy Niasse would be to give them several months to see him up close and personal in training?
Les Moorcroft
17 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:29:26
Fingers crossed, James. Being a Blue make eyes, legs and toes as well, lad.
David Pearl
18 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:44:14
I wish him all the best. People forget he scored goals and was always played out of position. Sometimes looks unplayable. Some of his finishing is very underrated.

As soon as we start getting on a player, everyone seems to pile on. Not that he's had a sniff, same along with Tosun. Confidence with both of them slipped along with Walcott.

He wasn't even making the bench so I wouldn't expect us to sign any replacement. Good luck to him and Cardiff. I'm sure he will score goals.

Minik Hansen
19 Posted 16/01/2019 at 20:48:15
Is he really that far behind Tosun and Calvert-Lewin?

We can only guess how it would have panned out if he had been given a decent run, instead of Tosun and Calvert-Lewin, 'cause he's been giving goals in return when given a chance. He would've put in few more.

Well, he gets his chance at Cardiff, I'll be happy to see him score some and more.

Eddie Dunn
20 Posted 16/01/2019 at 21:14:04
People – it's fairly obvious, we can't have had any concrete bids for him; he is a taking wages from us. His value will diminish if he doesn't play, and if he does reasonably well at Cardiff, his value may rise and we will sell him for more in the summer and in the meantime we won't have been paying him.

Good luck to him and to Cardiff (I live in Wales) – currently our only Premier League team.

Christy Ring
21 Posted 16/01/2019 at 21:15:30
The good news for me with Niasse going to Cardiff, there must be a striker on the way in.
Pat Kelly
22 Posted 16/01/2019 at 21:21:34
Apparently Spurs wanted him to replace the injured Kane but Everton decided not to strengthen one of its rivals for a Champions League place...
Jim Bennings
23 Posted 16/01/2019 at 21:31:58
There will be an option for a permanent deal at the end of it I’m sure.

At the end of the day when all is said and done we need to start weeding out the mediocre players from the squad if we want to really progress ourselves as a club to be taken seriously.

To be taken serious as a club going places we need to record better results and better results will only come from gradually signing better players.

James Doran
24 Posted 16/01/2019 at 21:37:49
Hang on Jim, We are discussing a striker here and you never mentioned Calvert-Lewin??
Steve Ferns
25 Posted 16/01/2019 at 21:45:05
The problem with Niasse is how do you play with him? We've all seen our style, how do you implement Niasse into that. I'll be kind and call him a maverick. You can't play balls into the channels and expect him to find a runner in the box, or to hold the ball up and bring others in.

How do Lookman, Bernard and Sigurdsson, our clever players who can thread those cute reverse passes into the box, find him?

Niasse suits a Cardiff. Let him chase the back four. Hoof the ball long and let him cause havoc. Niasse is better when he's on his own, because he plays like he's on his own and it must be infuriating to play with him.

Sorry, Niasse, but if we're not better than you, we should be, we have to aim to be, and so you must go. All the best. Keep fighting and smiling and I wish you lots of luck and success – just not against the blues.

Jack Convery
26 Posted 16/01/2019 at 21:58:59
I hope they have a locker for him. We should all put a tenner on him to score on his debut. He can put one past Liverpool again too.
Steven Bencz
27 Posted 16/01/2019 at 22:22:02
Hopefully this is because we have something else happening. Yes I would like Calvert-Lewin to get a proper chance. It doesn't mean I would not want another option if available off the bench in case Calvert-Lewin gets tired or is not doing well. While at it, yes, I would like Lookman to get a fair run too.

What could happen?

1. Batshuayi could be an okay option for the reported £18M. There's definitely talent there. Young and pacey are great as well to add.

2. Gueye to PSG? I love Gana but if someone is willing to pay in excess of £30M I think Brands will think long and hard. He is 29 and probably won't get much better or have a higher value ever. (Honestly I think they should offer him along with £20M for Cavani but I doubt he would come. Although you never know. Rumours are Neymar & Mbappe don't like him. Watching their Champions League games it does seem there is something weird going on. I know it's too much to hope for.)

3. Roma perhaps interested in Schneiderlin and they perhaps have Dzeko on the transfer block? I would send £20M with Schneiderlin to get him for sure.

Either I just want them to have a striker not named Richardson. He should be on the left. Anyone saying otherwise is just hasn't been watching our beloved team shit the bed on the weekly basis. I watch from BC Canada sometime at 4:30 am and it's painful at times. even against Bournemouth, we could have easily lost after the first half.

I will say, though, I actually have faith in Brands. I think he was a great hire.

Go Toffees Go!

Brian Williams
28 Posted 16/01/2019 at 22:37:53
Jack #26.

Oh yes. Imagine if the shite blew the league by losing to Cardiff. Only goal in the 97th minute by Niasse, who was marginally offside but the goal stood.

Ben McVeigh
29 Posted 16/01/2019 at 22:51:50
Long time reader first-time poster.

I'm not sure if this is a good idea. for me it would be preferable to move on Tosun instead. Yes, Niasse is not Champions League quality and has a horrible first touch, but he is fast, doesn't stop, puts pressure on, and for a defender is absolutely annoying. And he can score goals (knees, shins whatever still count).

Silva needs to adapt his formation to the players that are in the squad. Playing the single “point” striker with wingers doesn't work for us. That position is extremely hard to fill, they need to be good in the air, great first touch, fast, strong, be able to hold the ball up and also be able to lead into space. We don't have that, why do we choose to play too it?

I'm not suggesting we play hoof ball, but I'd like to see us at least try something different. Similar to how Man U lined up against Tottenham, two wide players up front, with a fast, skilful player that likes to get stuck in sitting behind them.

Wide left Richarlison, wide right Lookman (Calvert-Lewin, Walcott and Niasse as options off the bench). Bernard central behind them (or Lookman as the other option) both shown they like to nip in and be annoying, both are creative, good control and like to take on people.

Compact midfield trio of Sigurdsson playing the Pogba role (not saying he is Pogba, but he has a great eye for a pass and does cover a lot of ground).

Gueye and Gomes as the other two (Davies, Baningime, McCarthy, Schneiderlin as back up) give them specific direction of hold the space, and always be there for the second ball.

Digne, Mina/Keane/Zouma, Kenny for the back four. Not playing the wing back role, defend first and keep a strong stable base.

Win the ball, find either Gomes or Sigurdsson, and/or release the front three quickly. Play to our strengths of fast mobile, annoying forwards/wingers (as we don't have a striker) and hit on the counter.

Most of the goals that I have seen us score (besides set pieces) are from quick counters with forwards moving at speed onto passes. Whoever we play as the single striker just gets monstered each game. Play a formation and tactic for the players of the squad.

Jerome Shields
30 Posted 16/01/2019 at 22:53:36
So all the suiters for Niasse and a multi-million-pound move were false. Another player farmed out to get his wages paid.

These type of players are worthless. Everton must have more big-money spends loaned out than any other club. Tosun another addition to the list.

Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce really wasted a lot of money.

Jerome Shields
31 Posted 16/01/2019 at 22:57:59
This also means there are no funds for transfers. Come the Summer, we will have the usual under-valued bids for loaned players with promise as the clubs involved try to get a bargain.
Neil Copeland
32 Posted 16/01/2019 at 22:58:18
Brian #28, and went in off his hand but the officials missed it.
Paul Olsen
33 Posted 16/01/2019 at 23:07:27
Steven: PSG are only allowed to spend £18M this window because of FFP. So £30M is not an option.
Kieran Kinsella
34 Posted 16/01/2019 at 23:27:40
Is it really four years since we signed him? If so how long is his deal?
Steven Bencz
35 Posted 16/01/2019 at 23:31:57
Paul #33

Henceforth, the pie in the sky of us paying some money along with Gueye... so that is not even an issue. All it would cost is Cavani.

Mike Gaynes
36 Posted 16/01/2019 at 23:34:19
Kieran, his contract runs through June of 2020.
Simon Smith
37 Posted 16/01/2019 at 23:37:09
Niasse is 4th choice at best. I'd rather he was sold but can't see many clubs looking to part with big money for him so maybe a loan deal will generate interest for the summer.
Brian Wilkinson
38 Posted 16/01/2019 at 23:56:18
Paul @33, a lot of teams now pay staggered payments, to get round the FFP rule — so nothing stopping PSG staggering a £40 Million payment over a couple of years.
Mike Gaynes
39 Posted 17/01/2019 at 00:14:54
Brian #38, you are correct.

French commentator Julien Laurens, always a reliable source on PSG, is on ESPN today reporting that the club is very confident of landing Gueye for about €35 million. They need his particular skill set desperately.

Steven Bencz, I like your fantasies but there is no way in the world that Dzeko or Cavani would ever come to us. No way.

Bobby Thomas
40 Posted 17/01/2019 at 00:34:07
I think Niasse will get a few at Cardiff. They get it forward quick, and Niasse likes the ball ahead of him.

As for Gueye, based on the last set of accounts if we get offered €35M for a 29-year-old, we are taking it. Look how much money we have generated (and blown) in fees these last few seasons.

The big problem with selling him is, who the hell stops the opposition? We have become quite poor without the ball. If anything we need another holding player in the club, not to be selling our best one.

If Gueye goes, I think we will finish bottom half.

Joe O'Brien
41 Posted 17/01/2019 at 00:36:36
The biggest name we need to offload is Schneiderlin.. leaving off Niasse is good business though. For sure looks like we've got a much-needed replacement coming in.

Brands is a smart man.. always said it'll be a 'one in, one out' policy this month... Schneiderlin out next please.

Tom Dodds
42 Posted 17/01/2019 at 00:42:49
FFS..
The usual whiff of 'Everton' desperation

Loans to Turkey.
Loans to Rotherham.
Loans to Marine...

Loans to any entity that will put a tenner a week towards our back catalogue of badly judged half-baked fuckwit buys.

Brian Williams
43 Posted 17/01/2019 at 00:43:01
I think we all agree that Brands is like a breath of fresh air at the club and that he obviously knows what he's doing. With that in mind, I can only envisage Gana being allowed to go if Brands has a younger version lined up to replace him during this window. I just can't see Brands letting him go otherwise, I really can't.

Say all you want about what's happened in the past but I believe we are finally moving away from the amateurish ways we've conducted business with Brands there and I couldn't see the justification or logic in selling Gana in this window without an immediate upgrade being brought in.


Simon Smith
44 Posted 17/01/2019 at 00:50:58
Chelsea about to move Morata out to Athletico, what about a bold bid for Diego Costa, or am I over-reaching !?!

He would be a monster in the Royal Blue Number 9 jersey.

Steve Ferns
45 Posted 17/01/2019 at 01:21:16
Brian, it will not be a younger version. I am certain of this. Silva will want a different type of player. He does not want the skillset Gueye has, he wants a different one.

Gueye is a key member of the current side, no doubt about it. But, over the longer term of the next few years, he would be discarded anyway. You only need to analysis Silva's teams when they play attacking football, ie, Sporting – William Carvalho, Olympiacos – Esteban Ciambiasso. He likes players deep who are on the ball as soon as we win it and can move the ball quickly up the pitch.

Everton are not doing that, not unless Gomes is sat very deep and then Gueye makes us a man down because he is too deep. Silva wants someone else doing what Gomes does and Gomes further up the pitch, breaking, and looking for the ball.

So the key skills are holding position, because the team now has one less defensive player, tackling, and long passing. It's a completely different skillset. No young Gueye, more like a young Esteban Cambiasso or a William Carvalho type.

The reason I am so certain of this is three things. As I said, how he played in the past. At Sporting and Olympiacos he had superior sides more often than not. And when he has such a side he sets up in a 4-3-3. This is with one Defensive Midfielder, not two. He reserves two, usually, for when he thinks he does not have a superior side.

Next is his comments on tactics. 4-3-3 he said, when he first came. He talked about playing with either one or two defensive midfielders. Then he identified Schneiderlin (remember this is day one, before any pre-season training) as his Number 6. He talked about the skillset he perceived Schneiderlin to have. He is describing the player he wants to have.

The problem Silva has with his shape is that Gueye and Sigurdsson do not fit into his 4-3-3. Gueye cannot pass, and Sigurdsson is better behind the striker. Sigurdsson alongside Gomes, with a Fernandinho type sat in behind them would be interesting to see though, and I know Sigurdsson has the engine, it's just a question of discipline as to whether he could play as one of two Number 8s. I think it's possible.

Expect the formation shift next season, or if Gueye leaves now and we can bring someone in.

David Pearl
46 Posted 17/01/2019 at 01:36:55
We also have Beni Baningime gathering dust, and he didn't look too bad, did he? How many more loans will there be before we actually sell a player?
Steve Ferns
47 Posted 17/01/2019 at 01:44:11
David, you can only sell what others want to buy. Our players are under-performing. So that means we take a loss. Also, it means the buying club will be less willing to pay the wages, and this is the biggest problem.

Our wage bill is ridiculous. Remember Ashley Williams earns anywhere from £70,000 to £100,000 per week. £100,000 per week is over £5,000,000 a season. We have a lot of players on this money.

Bolasie too. Who wants to give Everton £20M for Bolasie and pay him £5M a season? Do you not see the problem here? How on earth can we shift the dead wood?

And why sign more aging players like Diego Costa, who we'd give a long-term deal to, like 5 years, and end up paying him £10M a season when he's 35 and finished. Only give him a 3-year deal you say, no thanks says Costa, I'll join a Champions League club who will pay more.

They don't talk about weekly salary, Everton will say to Costa we will pay you £50m but you need to stay for 5 years. That's the only way we'd sign someone of his level. But he's only at that level for a limited time now. How limited no one knows.

I worry that Costa has a tendency to put weight on. I forsee him being heavier as he ages, and he's past 30 already. Cavani is 31 and already earns £10M a year and would want a lot more than that to come to a non-champions league club. Do we really want to be paying a 36-year-old Cavani £15m a year?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

48 Posted 17/01/2019 at 02:22:43
Steve Ferns, if by chance you find a link of Bielsa's hour long Powerpoint presentation today, please do share!

I can only find brief 3-4 minute clips. The whole show would be compulsive viewing.

Storm in a tea cup for me. As he revealed, he and his staff looked at all 51 Derby games from last season - four hours work on each. A bloke watching them train for half an hour through binoculars half a mile away wouldn't make any difference to what he already knew about them.

I really hope he doesn't walk away from Leeds, or they get points deducted. It would be fun seeing him in the Premier League next season.

Andrew Humphrey
49 Posted 17/01/2019 at 04:44:23
Just hope that, contrary to the usual arrangement, we insert a clause stating that he has to play against us in February!
Paul Kelly
50 Posted 17/01/2019 at 05:08:36
Alex Kociuba
51 Posted 17/01/2019 at 08:09:58
Simon, Diego Costa is already an Atletico Madrid player. Batshuayi would be a more likely target from them.
Russ Quinlan
52 Posted 17/01/2019 at 08:15:08
Just like to wish the lad all the best. Despite his limited ability, he never fails to put in 100% and, after the way he was treated by Koeman, he just got on with it and eventually got game time. If only some of our other 'stars' put in his graft we wouldn't be where we are now!
Lee Courtliff
53 Posted 17/01/2019 at 08:46:49
I'll always respect this lad. He was treated appallingly by Koeman and the club but responded with class, dignity and even a few goals.

Good luck, mate.

Daniel A Johnson
54 Posted 17/01/2019 at 09:09:45
Not good enough but a well-behaved lad. Kept his head down and cracked on with it. He has always made himself available. Compare his behaviour to Vlasic and it's night and day.
David Graves
55 Posted 17/01/2019 at 09:36:56
Jay,

Paul has provided a link to the full transcript of his press conference. Well worth having a read through to get an indication of the amount of data that the technical teams at professional football clubs produce.

Unsurprisingly much of this information is produced as "statistics". Even using the word gets a number of posters excited on ToffeeWeb!

As I have said on another thread: it's the science of football.

Derek Thomas
56 Posted 17/01/2019 at 09:39:06
He didn't buy himself or pay himself £55k a week. He was treated abominably but Koeman and managed to 'pay him back' with those famous goals.

Not the best player ever but came across as a very decent lad... and there's plenty you can't say that about. Good luck to him.

Tommy Carter
57 Posted 17/01/2019 at 10:02:21
Whoever was involved in the ratification of signing the following players should no longer be an employee of the club:

Niasse
Sigurdsson
Schneiderlin
Bolasie
Tosun
Klaassen
Keane
Williams

At least the likes of Sandro, Walcott and Martina didn't cost an absolute fortune.

I like Brands and I think he has the knowledge and influence to get some good players to the club.

But I would like to see us explore the lower leagues in England for talent. No doubt for me that talent exists there, and there is much better value.

Mix that with proven quality signings and youngsters coming through and we have a recipe for success.

Buying players for massive money who've had steady Premier League or continental careers and are the wrong side of 25 is not where we need to be.

John Hammond
58 Posted 17/01/2019 at 10:45:18
Tommy #57: I agree with most on that list but Sigurdsson and Keane?

Walcott cost us £22.5M and we're paying him £110,000 a week to be afraid to score goals. That's an absolute fortune to me.

Jim Bennings
59 Posted 17/01/2019 at 10:48:55
Tommy,

A bit harsh on Keane and it doesn't add up you saying “at least Walcott didn't cost an absolute fortune” he was only £4 million cheaper than Keane.

Keane for me has been the most consistent performer along with Digne this season and he's a player that at 26 is coming into his best years as a central defender.

If you also know the story, Tommy, Keane had a woeful injury last season which the lad kept quiet about (maybe stupidly) and played through pain and infection which could have led to serious problems.

Sigurdsson was overpriced, yes, but again, take him out of our midfield and what have we got in terms of goals and creativity?

The rest of the list you have, I do agree with.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

60 Posted 17/01/2019 at 11:11:15
Paul @ 50, David @ 55.

Thanks for flagging that up.

Bookmarked so I can study it at leisure when I get a free moment.

Tony Everan
61 Posted 17/01/2019 at 12:11:37
Puts Oumar in the shop window; he won't get on the pitch with us. If he does well, he will be sold in June. Best chance of us getting most of our money back.
Jon Withey
62 Posted 17/01/2019 at 12:41:18
Surprised there isn't more demand for him from the bottom of the league – he scores goals in tight games.

I suppose with the loans you can set a higher wage than the one you happen to be paying him, and turn some sort of short-term profit.

Tommy Carter
63 Posted 17/01/2019 at 13:17:36
@58 & 59

Here we are. Typical of the blues that surround me on a match day. Let's all dig Walcott out. Yes he isn't doing brilliantly for the club.

But for what we paid he was absolutely worth a shot. This is a player with heaps of Champions League and international experience. Who was at a decent age and coming from a top club. So comparatively, not a fortune.

£25M for Keane was a fortune. Largely untested at the highest level and one decent season in the top flight with Burnley.

£55M for Sigurdsson. As well as he is playing this season, he wouldn't make the starting XI of a top 4 club. He'd failed at Spurs when given a chance at a top club. We paid that money when no other club was remotely interested in challenging us for the signature of this player.

Man City got money and they went in for players with ambition. They failed to secure Kaka, Buffon, Terry or Casillas so they went to the next level down which was the most coveted emerging stars at big, but not massive clubs. In came Silva from Valencia, Aguero from Atletico, Dzeko from Wolfsburg, De Jong, Boateng etc.

Simon Smith
64 Posted 17/01/2019 at 13:44:51
Keane is one of only a few players who have took up the mantle of a leader on the pitch for the blues this season, those f you who want to go back over last season can I please remind you of the back 4 he played in.

Jonjoe Kenny RB (at 20 years old)
Ashley Williams CB (utter shite)
Cocu Martina LB (Southampton 4th choice right-back playing left-back for us)

Get over yourselves, Keane has been much improved and is one of the last players who we need to replace.

Dave Abrahams
65 Posted 17/01/2019 at 14:24:13
If Niasse goes, I wish him all the best; good move for him and Cardiff. I can only add I wish it was Tosun going instead of Niasse.
Marc Hints
66 Posted 17/01/2019 at 14:26:46
A lot of work to do in the summer once again from Marco and Marcel if we don't unload any players in January... still a big overhaul needed:

Maarten Stekelenburg
Morgan Schneiderlin
Cenk Tosun
Oumar Niasse
Ashley Williams
Yannick Bolaise
Kevin Mirallas
Sandro Ramirez
Cuco Martinez
Muhammed Besic
Shani Tarashaj

Thats 11 players to get rid still and need to buy Gomes if we can and replace Kurt Zouma as Chelsea are not willing to sell. So much work to be done!

Dave Abrahams
67 Posted 17/01/2019 at 14:28:03
Simon (64), my sympathy was with Jonjoe Kenny, a young lad, playing in that back four, what a baptism that was, and still playing in a struggling team now — that's when he gets picked.
Simon Smith
68 Posted 17/01/2019 at 14:57:29
Dave mine too, my problem lies in that people jump all over Keane when, the lad played with a boot on that was 2 sizes too big due to an injury, played with Williams and Martina who were and still are shocking and also had Kenny next to him who also looked like he was hung out to dry.

Hopefully both Kenny had Keane have a bright future at the club.

Rennie Smith
69 Posted 17/01/2019 at 14:59:46
Let's be honest, Niasse was never good enough – all heart but with all the grace of Fellaini after a skinful.

Tommy, harsh on Keane. I think he's vastly improved this season. Makes the odd mistake but more than makes up for it by his overall performance. Plus, what do you get for £25M these days?

Andrew James
70 Posted 17/01/2019 at 15:17:47
Some of the dates in this report don't ring true. It suggests Niasse has been with us for 4 years and was loaned in the 2015-16 season to Hull. From memory, I thought he'd come in during the January transfer window of the 2015-16 season which was Roberto's last. You know with “wrist gate” and the West Ham capitulation to follow. Which means he has been with us 3 years.

I also thought his first full season, and Koeman's, was the one with the locker stuff and that he ended up at Hull on loan for the second half of it where he was coached by Silva. That gets us to the summer of 2017 after which he returns to Everton, and then chaos follows while Silva takes the Watford job and us, him and Niasse have our fates weirdly interlinked.

Ironically he feels like a relatively new face in an Everton shirt but is probably one of the longest-serving players in the squad now and has played (or not so much) under 5 different coaches!

Kristian Boyce
71 Posted 17/01/2019 at 15:20:03
Marc @66,

In transfer fees paid, that's about £110M spent on dross and about another £100M on wages. Years of poor management has allowed wasteful spending.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

72 Posted 17/01/2019 at 15:30:15
Paul @ 50, David @ 55 again.

Just read the Bielsa link you kindly flagged up.

What a man! He is an original.

I just love his honesty.

He's a pretty decent manager, too.

Bobby Mallon
73 Posted 17/01/2019 at 15:46:29
Tommy Carter @63, Lukaku didn't make it at Chelsea, De Bruynne didn't make it at Chelsea... so why did Man City buy him and Liverpool buy Salah. Because they are good players.

Just stop putting price to indicate how good a player is. Is Chelsea's goalkeeper any better than ours or Man Utd's just because he cost more?

Marc Hints
74 Posted 17/01/2019 at 16:46:03
Kristian #71,

I know it's a scary thought when you look at the list, very poor management as you say.

John Hammond
75 Posted 17/01/2019 at 17:07:38
Tommy #63: Not sure what you're getting at with Walcott. Are we not allowed to criticise him?
John Hammond
76 Posted 17/01/2019 at 17:31:29
Marc #66:

Ashley Williams's contract ends in the summer so that's one off the list!

Bill Gienapp
77 Posted 17/01/2019 at 17:33:04
Tommy (63),

Sigurdsson was £45 million, not £55 million. And Leicester City offered £40 million, so to say "No other club was remotely interested in challenging us for the signature of this player" — simply isn't true.

Tommy Carter
78 Posted 17/01/2019 at 18:34:12
Bill @77,

No other club was interested at the price being demanded by Swansea. Other than Everton FC. Fact

John @75,

I'm getting at Walcott being made a scapegoat. How about supporting him? The fee we paid for him made perfect sense and I'd be astounded if anybody thought otherwise at the time in the world of football. The fact it hasn't quite worked out doesn't mean he wasn't worth his value at the time of the transfer.

Marc Hints
79 Posted 17/01/2019 at 19:01:55
John #76,

Well, least that's good news; only 10 to go.

Lenny Kingman
80 Posted 17/01/2019 at 19:34:58
If only he was as dangerous a footballer as this lead photo suggests. Well, Everton would be leading the Premier League.
Justin Doone
81 Posted 17/01/2019 at 19:44:23
Niasse, like Bolasie and, to a degree, Walcott, are athletes. They will cause problems for defences but are one dimensional. They are capable of something spectacular but are inconsistent and individuals that have one major asset which is pace.

The hope is to develop their game so becoming more of a team player and work on the technical and tactical side of their game to improve the team.

Sadly they have not been able to improve or add much to the team from an attacking or defensive point. Partly they may not suit the manager's tactics and partly they have been unable to adapt.

Moses for a time at Chelsea is one of the few similarly pacey players that found a manager and a role he could adapt too. Zaha at Palace took a few years but finally learnt, improved and adapted. I had hoped Bolasie could follow these examples but he was already older and suffered a terrible injury not long after joining.

We never bought them to get our money back on them but I think if we could sell them at half price all parties could then happily move on. So tell Cardiff we will only sell for £7/8M and move on.

James Marshall
82 Posted 17/01/2019 at 22:08:19
Niasse is shite. Yes, he might be a nice guy, but he's shit at football and a waste of a paycheck. If Cardiff want him and it frees us up to buy someone half decent, I'll drive him to Wales myself.
Stephen Beattie
83 Posted 17/01/2019 at 22:36:32
Doubt Niasse will be going to Cardiff if they’re about to get Sala.
Bill Gienapp
84 Posted 17/01/2019 at 23:44:58
Tommy – I just told you that Leicester City offered £40-million for Sigurdsson, so I'm not sure how that's "fact," but whatever.

Also, your logic re: Walcott is easily applicable to others on your list. £12-million for Ashley Williams – a battle-tested Premier League defender who captained both Swansea and Wales – as a short-term replacement for John Stones had plenty of logic behind it at the time. And Schneiderlin was superb for Southampton, in addition to playing for France at the 2014 World Cup – most fans fully endorsed his signing and he was excellent upon arrival. It wasn't until the following season that his form inexplicably went off a cliff.

And stressing that Keane was a "major gamble" only matters if he's failed to deliver, which he most certainly has not this season. We also paid "silly money" for a keeper who'd just been relegated and an attacker who scored five goals for Watford last year – would you say those were indefensible moves?

Tom Bowers
85 Posted 17/01/2019 at 23:54:19
Hard to imagine anything happening as far as players to be sold at this stage. Two weeks left and not even a whisper of anyone wanting to spend on Everton players... so, with what Brands has said, it appears they have no ambition for this season but to accept the mediocrity that's been served up since the RS game and a mid-table position.

Totally unacceptable by the die-hard fans especially the season ticket holders. Has Moshiri invested all his money in getting the new stadium?

Justin Doone
86 Posted 18/01/2019 at 00:40:18
I think Moshiri and Brands are being sensible. Sell before we can buy. Is that hard to accept? Yes, but it's in the best interests of everyone.

Silva should not expect or keep demanding additional funds. He needs to manage and coach the current squad.

I actually think there will be some movement probably loans in and out which may appease some but we have some very good players that need to step up, Silva too. I'd prefer to get the ball forward quicker for a start.

Peter Morris
88 Posted 18/01/2019 at 01:08:58
Clearly, this deal is taking so long because we thought it involved ‘receipts' when in all probability it will involve even more ‘outlay'.

It's called a reverse premium in the world I work in. These ruinous transfers will take literally years to wash through. Groan!

Jon Hirshman
89 Posted 18/01/2019 at 11:28:31
He's signed.
Steavey Buckley
90 Posted 18/01/2019 at 12:43:00
It was bad management decision to loan Niasse to Cardiff when, before Warnock stated he had no money to buy him, as Cardiff are in the process of buying Nantes striker Emiliano Sala for £18 million due for medical in Cardiff on Friday.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
91 Posted 18/01/2019 at 14:36:14
Well, we can have a look at Sala and then buy him in the summer when they get relegated.

Cardiff – 2nd in the Championship last season replaces 19th placed Stoke.

Currently 7 points less than Stoke in the same fixtures. They are going down with Fulham and Huddersfield.

Paul Kossoff
92 Posted 18/01/2019 at 14:36:33
Beggars belief – the bums we have bought; I'm so fed up this season, I can't be bothered to list them. No idea how this helps other than to add to Bill's retirement fund.

Dzeko all day, please.

Steve Ferns
93 Posted 18/01/2019 at 15:09:11
Steavey, Niasse is on £3M a year. Loaning him out now saves us £1.5M. He's not played all season. He's not in the shop window.

Cardiff will be giving us £1.5M and maybe a loan fee. They will also be showcasing the lad's talents, making it easier to sell him.

Derek Knox
94 Posted 18/01/2019 at 15:49:35
Like most, I would have preferred a permanent deal, but as Steve Ferns has said, you can only sell if you have something that people want. Although getting him partially off the wage bill has to be seen as better than nothing.

I would also like to see Schneiderlin and Tosun moved on too, before the window shuts, as they must be a major drain on the wage bill, which is further exacerbated by neither of them playing (thankfully) or producing anything.

I do wish Oumar Niasse all the best, as he has proved to be a true character, and has stood out to be a decent human being despite being treated abysmally by previous managers. Maybe a change of surroundings will bring out more in him, although I could never see him being good enough for Everton.

Steavey Buckley
95 Posted 18/01/2019 at 15:50:20
Steve, Warnock was misleading Everton FC into loaning him, when Cardiff were prepared to pay £18 million for a striker, while telling Everton they had no money.
Les Moorcroft
96 Posted 18/01/2019 at 15:51:56
I don't understand Chelsea trying to offload this kid of theirs for £40 million to us. Yet he's not good enough for them, when their fans are saying they need a centre-forward. Yet he's good enough for us to buy for £40 million?

Don't get me wrong, I know nothing about him. But 2 + 2 is still 4... isn't it?

Tommy Carter
97 Posted 18/01/2019 at 16:04:29
Fair play to this guy. I hope he finds his level and a home at Cardiff. Slogs his guts out and leaves nothing behind, all without malice and a very good sportsman.

He's undoubtedly earned good money at the club, but his pride as both a professional footballer and a man was completely undermined by Koeman. He kept going. Listen, this man has made a career for himself at the top level with very little natural ability.

Others of more talent, take note. Guts, hard work and belief will get you a long way in football.

Youth teams and prospects live only upon a reputation created for them by others ‘who know the game'.

I remember a ‘know it all' at Liverpool Football Club. He worked there circa 2006 and stated that, if Paul Anderson didn't play for England, he'd eat his hat. He didn't. And his career has fizzled into nothing.

Young players, step up. You have talent or you wouldn't be on the books of the top clubs. Go out and grab the opportunity.

Ryan Ledson is a prime example of this. What a set he must have. Backed himself and went and made a career for himself whilst others rot into their mid 20s at the club.

It's all upstairs. Well, 75% of it is...

Mike Gaynes
98 Posted 18/01/2019 at 16:34:59
I wish him the best. Given his attitude and professionalism, he deserves a chance to play. And I'd like to see Cardiff stay up.

"Others of more talent, take note. Guts, hard work and belief will get you a long way in football."

Tommy, we don't agree on much, but I definitely agree with that!

Denis Richardson
99 Posted 18/01/2019 at 18:55:08
He's only gone for 4 months. If as expected Cardiff get relegated, I can't see them making the move permanent.

He'll be back at FF in a short while but wish him the best at Cardiff - better he does the easier it will be to sell him.

Denis Richardson
100 Posted 18/01/2019 at 18:58:53
Steve 93 - how do you know Cardiff are covering 100% of his wages?

I'd put my money on us still paying some, like we do on pretty much all the senior loans we have out. We were the ones desperate to get rid of him so I'd imagine we're still paying something. E.g. Real Sociedad are certainly not paying Sandro £100k/week.

Justin Doone
101 Posted 18/01/2019 at 19:29:23
If we want to increase his value then we should allow him to play against us as our defence would struggle to deal with his pace, strength and tenacity. Sorry couldn't help myself.

IMO it benefits Cardiff more than it benefits us as he's never going to come back as our main or back up striker.

From that I conclude we must be trying to bring someone in but we have to get rid of a few more first, hopefully the unplayed senior squad players - one on a permanent deal would be preferable.

Tommy Carter
102 Posted 18/01/2019 at 19:46:06
@98 Mike. Wasn’t aware you disagreed with me generally. But thanks.

I’ve been listening recently to a set of apps Casts produced over the last few years by Graham Hunter.

Personally, I don’t think Hunter isn’t that likeable. But he is a very talented journalist.

He’s interviewed some massive stars for this pod cast, some great players. And I do mean great.

The one theme with all of these great players is their hard work and determination to be the best.

Plenty of talent for sure. But David Bentley had plenty of talent.

I look at our squad and hope there are some in there with this mentality. I think Richarlison has it.

It may mean that by fulfilling their potential means a move to a bigger club than ours. But we should enjoy that part of their journey that they spend with Everton and try and capitalise on it with success

Raymond Fox
103 Posted 18/01/2019 at 20:51:36
Good luck to the guy, he'll do well at Cardiff unless I'm mistaken.

He might not be highly skilled but we have made far worse buys than him. He always gives his all and does get his share of goals.

We need to push the boat out on a new striker, there's no point in bringing in a £15m level player we already have those!

Eddie Dunn
104 Posted 18/01/2019 at 21:20:05
Cardiff will stay up and Niasse will help them. Top boy Omar.
Jamie Crowley
105 Posted 18/01/2019 at 22:01:43
I sincerely hope Oumar lights it up at Cardiff. I'll be rooting for them to avoid the drop now, along with Fulham whom I have a soft spot in my heart for. Newcastle, Southhampton and Huddersfield dropping would be my personal wish. But I do think it'll be Huddersfield, Fulham, and Cardiff unfortunately.

Smile Oumar! I know you will. Go get 'em.

Mark McLoughlin
107 Posted 18/01/2019 at 22:16:37
He'll do a decent job for Warnock.

Calvert-Lewin is my favourite choice, with Lookman starting to shine.

Homegrown talent must be the way forward.

Andy Crooks
108 Posted 18/01/2019 at 22:57:31
Jamie, everyone has a soft spot for Fulham, but they are doomed. I hope it is Cardiff and Newcastle who go down with them. I would rather it was Southampton before Fulham but we all have our favourites.

I don't know if you followed us the two times it was nearly us but, my God, you would not wish that on your worst enemy.

Huddersfield, and I know this from friends, are a proper club, a really good club with decent, special supporters. Should they send for the fat man?

Steve Ferns
109 Posted 18/01/2019 at 23:05:35
Andy, he said he can't save them and they are going down.

Huddersfield appointed David Wagner from Dortmund U23s. His replacement went to Norwich and the guy who replaced him is now set to be the new manager. Jan Skeeter. No real experience at all. Dortmund U23s play 4th tiger football.

As for Fulham, not me. I don't have a soft spot for any southern side. I hope they all go down.

Bill Gienapp
110 Posted 18/01/2019 at 23:15:18
Andy, I saw that the Fat Man already came out and said he wasn't interested in the Huddersfield job, basically admitting he didn't think there was any way to save them from the drop (and we all know how much he treasures his precious "never been relegated" rep).
Steve Ferns
111 Posted 18/01/2019 at 23:23:21
Jan Siewert... dunno why the auto fail screwed that one up!
Justin Doone
112 Posted 18/01/2019 at 23:47:39
I'd rather have kept Niasse than splash £40M on Batshuayi. That has to be an absolute bullshit story.

He's so not in the class of recent buys, I'm almost insulted to be even linked with him.

How stupid or desperate must we be??

Tom Dodds
113 Posted 19/01/2019 at 00:19:07
Whoopee do.
Jamie Crowley
114 Posted 19/01/2019 at 02:48:23
Andy @108 -

I was not around for the near-drop. 2007-2008 was my "first" season.

The thought of the drop strikes literal fear into my heart. I'd be a wreck if we were fighting relegation. I can't fathom that, and for those Blues that have gone through it and have come out the other side, I've the ultimate respect for. And that's probably just about every poster on TW by the way.

Fulham? The owner, Shad Khan, owns the local NFL franchise - the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm not a Jaguar fan, but like to see them do well for the locals. He's by all accounts here locally, a cool guy. I like how Fulham are linked to my area through Khan, and I like their approach this past summer of trying to buy footballers and play some good stuff.

I also love Craven Cottage at Christmas. It's gorgeous.

I can't get on board with, "all southern teams should go down" but I do understand the sentiment. I don't live there, ergo, I respect the "north-south divide", but just have no dog in that fight.

We have a bit of a north-south divide here in the States. The North here are the elitist dicks, the southerners down-to-earth fine folk. I understand it's the opposite over there in Blighty. ;0)

Tony Everan
115 Posted 19/01/2019 at 06:46:06
The loan out of Niasse is an indicator that we are making moves on getting a new striker in. Tosun will be next if we have someone lined up.

Is Batshuayi the man?, I'd like to be proved wrong, but I don't think he is . Particularly as he seems to have constant reservations about moving up here. [said to prefer relegation candidates Monaco this time]. I think this lad has not got the character be a consistent premier league success.

Mr Brands may surprise us all with a leftfield choice as a centre forward, I hope he's right.

Alan J Thompson
116 Posted 19/01/2019 at 14:55:13
I see Mr Kenrick reporting that Niasse will start for Cardiff this afternoon. Well it won't work as we've all read that he has to have a pre-season, settle in to a new club and he doesn't even speak the language!

Go get them, Oumar!

Brian Williams
117 Posted 19/01/2019 at 15:02:27
Justin#112.
How stupid or desperate must we be?
To actually believe the reports of the £40m bid do you mean?
Rob Halligan
118 Posted 22/01/2019 at 16:34:37
Andy # 108 .

"I don't know if you followed us the two times it was nearly us but, my God, you would not wish that on your worst enemy."

Trust me mate, I would certainly wish that on my worst enemy. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing the RS relegated.

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