Kenwright offered £1m to help save Bury

He needs to look after his own club first.

Saying that, he has got plenty of spare cash given the vast amount he sold his Everton shares for.

I really don't care about Bill Kenwright.

£1m more than he has ever given us. But a lot less than the pile he has pocketed from selling his shares.

Fairplay to him, but it comes to light seemingly right on cue, or am I cynical.

Not at all Derek. Expect a ground announcement any day soon

Pathetic comments above.

The premier League clubs are dripping in money and have a responsibility to the game in general from grass roots upwards.

Both Manchester clubs including the Neville's who's father has a stand names after him should be ashamed that they have let their local club go under.

Everton and Kenwright deserve some respect for this gesture.

Rob I think they need to look closer to home and save Everton.

Irony:

Our chairman offering money that he wouldn't spend here, our manager getting given the dreaded vote of confidence and is still here!!!!!

Rob @ 6 - I for one agree with your sentiments 100%. a worthy gesture and not the first and only one by Everton.

However being one of the blindly optimistic at Brighton yesterday myself - and still not dried out - I can understand the reaction of some on here whilst emotions are still raw.

It's a bit like a husband being caught up to no good by his wife and him choosing to remind her at that point that he'd washed the dishes without being asked.

Timing is everything in the tortured world of supporters - especially Evertonians.

Jim 9

I managed to stay relatively dry during the match!
However, I got absolutely soaked to the skin waiting for the train!!
Even the paper money in my jeans pocket was wet.
I've dried out since, but it wasn't a pleasant/comfortable journey home.

Trust the comments above to dampen yet another brilliant gesture from a good man.

Ridiculous, narrow-minded and inappropriate comments aimed at Kenwright and the club. No Blue is happy with what is happening on the pitch at the moment.
What happened to Bury could happen to any club and if BK and/or EFC tried to help then good on them.

Proud for him as Everton chairman and the club for making such a gesture.
Anyone finding fault with that well.

A great gesture - I just hope it wasn't an 'Alan Shearer offer' ie offered knowing it wouldn't be acceptable.

The pathetic, cynical comments at the top of this thread are why we have ended up being called the Bitters...

I'm far from his greatest fan, believe me, but reading stuff like this reminds me why I need to avoid this site in the main. It's just depressing.

I don't see anyone faulting the gesture but his tenure of Everton has seen our reputation dismantled brick by brick. As John Moores said, we are entitled to expect success.

Can I ask a genuine question to those offended on this thread please.

What are you thoughts on the fact that Kenwright, in all of the years of his involvement with EFC, has never put a penny, never mind a million, into our club

Ken, if you don't see anyone faulting the gesture then you shoulda gone to Specsavers mate. 😁
Karl#15. First paragraph, spot on mate.

I agree to an extent Brian - I said so in my first post - it is just as a football fan I don't want to see Bury in the predicament they are. Notwithstanding, I agree entirely that Kenwright has run this club to ruin and he has no support from me in that regard - this gesture is hollow and meaningless when you look at what is happening at his own doorstep and how he has operated the club for his own ends over the last two decades, aided and abetted by David Moyes and his lack of ambition and love of being the underdog in a safe job as long as he remained in the Premier league.

I can't understand how Bill, didn't know the rules with regards to this type of thing, and I can't understand the rules not allowing donations to help keep Bury FC alive?

Surely one of Kenwright's shows could have sponsored the shakers, but maybe their problems run deeper than just £1,000.000, and I expect a few more clubs to go the same way as Bury, with EPL players, now becoming richer than most lower tier football clubs.

I wonder if he told them "The cheque will be in the post/ account in the morning" just like 2004

It's a good offer from BK and a very nice thing to do but I think we are all too frazzled by the usual shit show at Everton to really care sadly.

I know it is a little bit different as it involved a transfer fee but why didn't this rule cover the money Sunderland owed us which Kenwright waived to help with their money troubles and for which the other lot across the park got more headlines for just allowing Sunderland an extra 12 months to repay them.

Kenwright's legacy is that he has turned EFC into a small club that the current owner is struggling to come to terms with. You can't just buy your way out of it, it goes deeper than that.

Absolutely Clive, that's his legacy as things stand.

I am surprised he hasn't ring fenced the money to ensure it's safety!

Nice gesture but the Chairmen of the EPL have voted consistently not to spread the money they get from TV deals to the lower leagues - that's the real problem.

This is classic Bill Kenwright. Anything sentimental and he's in there with both feet, letting the whole world know just how big his bleeding heart is.

The man is a proven liar and likely had no intention of hanging over the cash.

I wouldn't put it past him wanting EFC to get relegated just so he can cry on live TV.

Pretty low comments there, Phil (27). If all Kenwright wanted to do was "let the world know how big his bleeding heart is", he would have done so at the time, not two months later!

This is only coming out now because of the BBC NW documentary that is airing tomorrow night where they made a point of asking the big clubs in the region if they had tried to do anything to save Bury.

Both Everton and Kenwright declined to comment on the articles that came out today revealing his desire to give Bury money.

Great gesture by Mr. Kenwright, pity it wasn't allowed to be accepted.

Maybe EITC could use that million for their mental health building, that is going to be a wonderful help to people in Liverpool and not just the Everton area, just a thought.

It was a good gesture, then.

Bill could always route the donation through my bank account. 😁

Forgive me for not trusting Bill Kenwright, Lyndon.

I've heard too many of his lies and seen too many of his crocodile tears.

I have no comment.

More bullshit from billy. “I would've given you the dosh but the rules forbid me”. And remember “we tried to get him but there wasn't enough time”. Bullshit from a bullshitter

This is just ridiculous.

I think we all know that Kenwright had zero intention of giving even 10p to Bury

He was saving the Arteta money for a rainy day

I agree with Dave @29
It's a pity that the small minded can see no good in this gesture.
Jonathan, your constant whinging and criticisms of Kenwright are pathetic, childish and crass. Give it a break. You could bore for England.
Just for the record, I'll be glad when Kenwright is out of the positions of power at EFC but I can recognise a decent gesture.

Hi Dave [29] and Ray [36],

I know nothing of Bill Kenwright's involvements in the running of the club; therefore, I cannot accuse him of any wrongdoing, but he has my admiration for donating 𧶀,000 to the Bradley Lowery appeal fund on our behalf, and for arranging a football match which raised money for the 'Bradley Foundation Fund' and 'Everton in the Community.'

I believe that his gesture to Bury FC was genuine, and that the cynics are wrong in suggesting otherwise. I'm proud to support Everton, and applaud them for all the work they do off the pitch, these actions prove to me that we are more than just a Football Club.

I bow to no one in my disdain for Bill Kenwright. But, fair play to him on this. I think he is a heart on his sleeve luvvie who says what his audience want to hear. Then he says it again with a lump in his throat. I guess there are worse things in the world than cheap sentiment.

John@37

Well said John.

Ray 36 I'm sorry you think I bore for England but I'm not going to stop criticising Kenwright.

He's the worst thing to hit the club since 1878. The next manager is irrelevant because the club stands zero chance of succeeding.
Compare and contrast with a team like Leicester. Incredible that so many of you are taken in by him. This Bury story proves my point.

I meant to add that as laudable as the gesture was and sad as it is for Bury FC and its fans, it would represent something of a moral hazard for the Premier League clubs or their directors to bail out either a club that has mismanaged its affairs to the brink of financial collapse or an owner that has failed in its fiduciary duty.

The responsibility should lie with the EFL for a failure to properly vet the prospective owners of its member clubs.

Jonathan, “the Bury story” proves only that your myopic view prevents you from making a genuine contribution to any debate. Your dislike of “the Kenwrights” as you refer to him on the Live Forum, is bordering on the obsessive.
You need some sort of therapy.

Ray thanks for your very kind observations.

They are noted and much appreciated

My pleasure Jonathan 😊

I too wonder why you insisted yesterday on posting ‘Kenwright out' repeatedly during the Live Forum for yesterday's match against Brighton, Jonathan.

I'm sure you'll continue to post this view during debates on here, but why do you feel the need to do it during a match?

Strange behaviour at best. I tend to agree with Ray's opinion that you need some sort of psychiatric help.

Karl thanks.
The clamour for so called “psychiatric help “ would carry some weight if either you or Ray were medical professionals. As I'm guessing that neither of you are, I'll carry on as I am.

But thanks anyway.

Ps most of my calls yesterday were for “silva out” and it looks like I'll get my way very soon.

I think the comments regarding psychiatric help are a bit much for a football forum.
Having had people very close suffer with mental health, it's no joking matter.

Hoping to see you give a more positive contribution, who are you proposing takes over from Silva, Jonathan?

Karl, I have heard it's going to be Moyes

He's cheap, available and will be seen as the man to avoid relegation. With this squad, I'm not convinced. Moyes is a damn site better than Silva though.

Simon thanks for your point and obviously, I agree !

Jonathan, say it 'aint so...Moyes?

Moyes? Such a backward step, on a par with the Allardyce appointment for me. They rated them in a similar light at West Ham.

Silva needs to be give more than just over a season. Koeman had lost the players and we had a totally unbalanced squad 2 years ago. We are in a better position than then when desperate measures were taken. We are still incredibly only 3 points off 7th, which is where we would have been now, but for that farcical VAR business yesterday.

Just pressing the Panic button and bringing back a busted flush like Moyes would be a silly move in my opinion.

Bill? 1M? Is this the arteta money? Or other operating costs? I'm pretty sure that if bill really wanted, he would find a way.
I don't think bill is that inept, is he?

Kenwright splits the fan-base like no other man, how could an owner try and take his club to the back of beyond, (look what Horwich has done for Bolton) and then say he was glad that KEIOC helped stop it happening?

Good on the man if he was genuine, but if he was a real genuine Evertonian, he would have stepped down the minute Moshiri came into the club, and I still can't understand why he's still here, splitting the fan base for fun.

Did he really not know the rules regarding being involved with 2 Clubs? I havent a clue about finance in football but if I am aware of it how come Kenwright wasn't, thats not bitter its idiotic on his behalf regardless of it being a good gesture or not.

How on earth is wanting to make a £1 million donation to a stricken club an "involvement" with another club? Whatever you / I may think about Kenwright as a Chairman and despite his gushing over-sentimentality, why can't people recognise a genuine, benevolent gesture? So much negativity on ToffeeWeb. If this attitude somehow projects via the crowd onto the team during matches, no wonder we're in the state we're in.

That was my point earlier on in this thread Karl, but Lyndon is saying in post 28, that this is only coming out now because a documentary on Bury, is on the telly tomorrow.

The more you think about the greed of THE EPL, the more it makes you sick, so if Kenwright was genuine, good on the man, but something has got to radically change in England, otherwise what has happened to Bury, will happen to a few more, and surely this should be the bigger part of the story, and something can be put in place to stop this very sad demise happening to others?

Ray (56), the negativity at the match is caused by how the team are performing, and the tactics of the coach, not just today but in previous years since I started going to the game long a go.

During the last twenty five - thirty years Everton fans have proved, those who stayed anyway, that they are the most patient and tolerant fans in the country, we haven't complained enough, put up with the way has been run far too easily.

I'm still hopeful we are very slowly starting to get back to where a club of Everton's size could be, it's not a divine right, but with better management we deserve, the fans, to be in a much better position than were we are now.

Let's be honest here if Kenwright had run his theatre business like he has managed Everton he would be bankrupt, the way Everton very nearly were under his chairmanship of the club.

Can't disagree with anything you say Dave but why some people use any excuse to bash Kenwright, I can't understand. This was meant as a kind gesture, I'm sure. Also, he did not court publicity. Some people would complain if there was nothing to moan about.

Ray (59), yesI understand that Ray, it might just be his previous activities leave a mark on people.

Ray I'm not bashing the man, but if somebody offers a million pound then they are involved which was why it wasn't allowed. And were all entitled to a opinion on the shite that is being produced on the pitch.

Ray, negativity pervades ToffeeWeb, like bad luck lingers around Everton. I thought I was optimistic about my pessimism, until I started reading these pages.

Of course you're entitled Mark. But when you hear the kind of shit I frequently hear in the Park End, some people really do go over the top. Example a few seasons ago "Distin you're f*ckin' shit!" - from the kick off!! I'm just sick of the negativity that characterises some of our supporters. By the way, I can moan with the best of people. I just hope others see it as justifiable rather then being negative for negatvity's sake.

What's wrong with you lot? You all got what you wanted when we sold the club.

Yes, he made money... so what? He also spent money. I'm no Kenwright lover but respect for trying to save Bury.

Bobby – what exactly has he spent on Everton other than his initial purchase in the True Blue Holdings consortium?

Bobby & Ken, what's the square root of fuck-all, again?

Bobby #65, do you really think Bill Kenwright didn't know the regulations when it was just such a regulation that enabled him to own the Club in the first place??

Paul – possibly the answer... but I await Bobby's reply with interest.

It's just a matter of time before we cease our footballing operations altogether and become a fully-fledged North Western charitable trust. I can see us building little homeless shelters on one half of Goodison and employing failed players to teach recovering addicts, five-a-side on the other side of the field.

The point is, the only reason we know who Bill Kenwright is, and the only reason he and the club have money, is because fans pay to see Everton.

All this charitable stuff is nice but, let's be honest, if that was our primary concern, there are organizations like the Red Cross and Save the Children that are far better equipped to use our cash to support the needy.

This was not money from Everton FC. This was a gesture from a private individual who also happens to be Chairman of Everton FC.

I understand the FA not allowing Everton FC to donate to other clubs but not an individual from his own finances. This was a good gesture from Kenwright to try to help a struggling club, who have been a member of the FA since before the people commenting on here were born, with just a small but (like Everton) enthusiastic fan base.

I am not a Kenwright fan and wanted him out after the Kings Dock fiasco. He did get what we as supporters wanted though, and that is a new owner with the finances to back it up.

We complain about the FA' s lack of help for grassroots football and this demonstrates some of their outdated rules.

Notwithstanding any gesture to help save Bury being worthy, it still doesn't alter the fact that Kenwright is a proven deceitful liar who has only sought personal gain at the expense of the club.That is why people are so bitter about him.

I don't want to turn this into another Kenwright debate but people who think Bill put a single penny into the club are seriously deluded and need to be put straight.

Need I mention Kings Dock, Destination Kirby or Fortress Sports Fund when the lies and deceit that were pedalled out every day?

And we wonder why we have become Pathetic Everton???

Any donation from EFC would have been a misappropriation of funds. People are down in the pit at the coal face all day sweating blood to buy season tickets for EFC. For the board to turn around and pass that money off to a rival club would have been outrageous.

Despite the nice words, if any Everton fans – or anyone else for that matter – was really concerned with Bury FC they could have gone to their games, bought Bury FC shirts, invested directly in the club. Nobody gave Moshiri or Kenwright permission to use fans' money for any purpose other than making Everton FC good.

Hi all, I can't pretend to know the ins and outs of the rules of professional football, but I believe that the beginning of our financial problem was when Peter Johnson was chairman, making a number of signings with borrowed money. It really was an involvement with two clubs in his case, he had a foot in Tranmere Rovers' camp at the time.

I have no axe to grind in defence of Bill Kenwright, nor do I have cause to attack his role at Everton. I view his offer of assistance to Bury FC as a gift, and I respect his right to dispose of his money as he sees fit.

Exactly John, it would have been HIS money, not Everton's.

Hi Kieran [73],

It wouldn't have been donation from Everton FC, it would have been a gift from Bill Kenwright. Unless of course, you're referring to the money donated to the Bradley Lowery Fund. As I have stated in my previous post, I know nothing of the financial side of football, but I feel quite sure that, once I buy my season ticket, the money belongs to Everton.

Whether you like him or loathe him; he made the gesture. Yes, his fortune may have been made off the back of Everton, and the tax he will have written off because of it, may have influenced his decision, but the thought was there.

There again, he may have known the financial rules regarding cash gifts to other clubs and knew it would get knocked back. It's all irrelevant really.

Hi John,

I was referring to reports stating that, aside from Kenwright offering a personal million, Everton FC also offered ٟ million to Bury FC. I don't know if that was the case but I read that in three papers yesterday.

Ken Erik @67/68/69. Do any owners beside the sheiks and abramovich spend their own money. Most is loans or tv money. Your argument don't wash with me. I would have done exactly the same. Yes he is a rat for reneging on kings dock but he's allowed to make money

If he was serious, he could have just resigned from any official capacity at Everton and indulged his Knight in Shining Armour act at Bury without any problem at all.

Not sure why he's still involved tbh.

No one I see is arguing that Bobby - I am judging him professionally not personally and he has been calamitous as a leader of the club, overseeing a demise in the status of the club to likely it lowest stock ever since 1878 - we are an irrelevance and he perpetuated the plucky Everton tag which is nonsense for a club of our history. Add in Kings Dock, lack in investment in the squad, selling the family silver (pity he couldn't sell this 'Silva'), the ridiculous deal with Tesco etc etc and you have a man sadly out of his depth to the detriment of the club for decades to come.

If someone tried to bail out Everton would we be slagging them off?

Bury isn't just the footballers it's the many workers behind the scenes who have families and mortgages.

The pathetic vitriol that Bill gets at times would make Lucifer clutch his pearls and step back.

Well done Mr Kenwright. Nice gesture.

Typical of a lot of Everton fans, and the reason the club is in so much trouble: this cynical PR stunt by our own Donald Trump has conned some of you but consider this: Kenwright has been involved in the running of a football club for about 20 years, and I have never been involved in that, but I know this, even our own club was involved in the Peter Johnson affair when the PL and EFL stopped him from being financially involved in both EFC and Tranmere. He has allowed this 'gesture' to become public knowledge, knowing it wouldn't cost him a penny, so therefore, it stands to reason, if he'd ever put any of the £20m+ that he made out of our club back in, we'd have been informed. If he'd donated this through a 3rd party, Bury could have been saved, and if he'd just fucked off when he made his fortune, we might have been saved from his bullshit

Perhaps Mr Kenwright simply recognised the contribution Bury FC made to our success in the mid 80's by virtually giving us big Nev?

Mick,
Consider this. Kenwright is a better man than you. He did not allow anything to become public knowledge. Lost for words, l really am.

Mick (#83) in my opinion you've hit the proverbial on the head. Kenwright, with his history and experience, must have known his so-called gesture was totally incompatible with football rules and that his money was therefore never ever going to leave his bank account. It has of course accrued some potentially favourable publicity for him I suppose. "Good Ol' Bill" the media today again infer (on information they say was volunteered by Everton alone), whilst they do diddly squat to really investigate his whole tenure in terms of finances/BVI/Green etc etc ex-bloody-cetera.

If you didn't know better you'd think Kenwright is a charlatan, period.

Mike 84] as we all know Big Nev went on to become Everton's appearance record breaker - and was, for a time, the best keeper in the world.
I wonder what the reaction would be on TW today if the club announced it had signed a former bin man from a lower league club?

Yet again Bill can do no right and any opportunity to kick the guy is met.

I understand the not putting a penny into the club and being stagmented, that's fine, but to have a pop over this gesture is baffling.

Forgetting Everton in the community and all the good that's been done through this, Everton also donated to Bradley Lowery, they tried to help Bury Football club, how many others have come in with offers to at least try and help others.

On a couple of occasions, Kenwright has paid for free coach travel for travelling Everton fans, one being Fulham away in the midweek cup game.

By all means kick Kenwright at every opportunity, but at times he comes in for stick no matter what he does.

Anything that goes wrong is down to Kenwright by some, like I say the guy maybe at fault for certain ongoings but next it will be Bills fault Brexit did not get delivered.

David Pearl @ 85 "Consider this. Kenwright is a better man than you.". that isn't even worthy of comment, just to ask if you work for The S*n?
Some of you are so easily duped. A) Did he really not know about the PL/EFL rules? "Under the rules of the FA Premier League and those of UEFA (the European Governing Body of football), it is prohibited for the owners or directors of a football club to have the power to influence the management of another club."
B) Did he really believe, in this age of instant communication and snooping journo's that this gesture would never become public knowledge?
and C) Why didn't he use a 3rd party to donate the cash anonymously? It's obvious to anyone with a couple of brain cells, that he is need of some good PR after all the shit going on with our club, so instead of ingratiating himself with Everton fans, where the donation would have been legal, he pulls this stunt, knowing full well, he won't have to part with a penny. The man trained as an actor, and he's a pretty good one

I suppose this means that there is little to no chance of Premier League clubs running "B" teams in lower leagues as is done in Spain?
Didn't our neighbours have some sort of arrangement with Wrexham some years ago?

Kenwright splits the fan base once again!!

Alan J, I expect there will be changes to that rule in the future, otherwise loads of clubs will find themselves in a similar position to Bury.

Tranmere Rovers, In the third tier of English football would probably be pushing for promotion once again, if they could have a budget similar to Everton's academy, and in my head are the lyrics to “The Jam's-funeral pyre” and loads of Evertonians singing “Please Release Us, Let Us Go” to Kenwright!

A number of people on here know Kenwright so well, all members of his inner sanctum, that they know what he's thinking!!
My understanding is that Kenwright offered money from his own personal fortune and the genuine offer was leaked by a Manchester journalist. What a crime!! He should be taken out
,put against a wall and shot!
Conspiracy theorists! Dear Lord above. Get a fuckin' life.

I'm no way a Kenwright Fan, but we even moan when he makes a nice gesture.
He was spotted on camera congratulating Bernard on his game and goal. Brazilian tv were interviewing Bernard at the same time. People were on the forum calling it cringe worthy and pathetic. They way I saw it, Kenwright was building Bernard's confidence up. Also descent Brazilian footballers my see Everton as a good club to come to, with a director patting a player on the back.

Good PR I think its called. So lets be a little bit balance, when he does something good.

To show how generous and kind the offer was either sell his remaining shares
in Everton and run Bury or give the spare million to Everton in the Community That would save any more arguments

You would think that Kenwright was Maggie Thatcher reincarnated on here.

I wish he would have left Liverpool to managed decline instead of Everton though.

All getting a bit daft now. The man could come round to your house, redecorate, buy you all new furniture, cook you your favourite meal and some would still call him a cunt!

We're not bitter though.

I bet Kenwright has been holed up in a spar for the last few weeks to chill himself him down from the terrifying thought of parting with a million quid. There's no doubt in my mind he would've been absolutely petrified if they had accepted the money. As if he didn't know he wouldn't've been allowed too... Ha Ha Ha !!

My observations of Everton since the dawn of the Premier League are much in the same vein, in that, within the dawn of the start of this present era, I quickly concluded two things:

1. Kenwright had no money.

2. Ergo he set out to borrow money at extortionate rates.

3. Look I'm not in the mood to drone on about the ins and outs of Bill Kenwright, I've been on here like (some) others for years now... But there is a simple overview, and that is that all the (now) top clubs built their Romes while we scurried round the backstreets with Fagin and the Artfull Dodger at the helm (luckily) treading water, buying the odd one player a year etc.

Back to the Fanbase: Liverpool was our roll Model in that their fans hounded and chased (Gillette and Hicks) boycotted, protested, and even launched the old guard (unlike us), the likes of Dalgleish, Woy, Rodgers etc etc.

I know he's 'caught' a Billionaire. (A Monty Python version of an accountant btw!) But Moshiri does NOT strike me as a 'Tiger in the tank' kind of John Harvey Jones of Footy, which is what we really need.

Back to main point, I think we are a dormant volcano regarding fan protests (unless we do go down). Basically Moshiri is being helped by Brands and maybe a few of Usmanov's men? But that arl barnacle is still there whispering in his ears.

Liverpool fans would've dragged him out and wellied him into the Mersey 20 years ago. Hindsight maybe the greatest gift you'll never have... but, if Kenwright had not bought the club, do you not think with the ensuing wave of football interest, big money, Sky etc. (at that time), a real money man would'nt ?!

Just because I wouldn't let Bill Kenwright into my house doesn't make me bitter, Brian, I just think it's time that he resigned from the board, although it's probably too late for him to save Bury now.

If Kenwright was indeed genuine in his offer then he would've found a way to give Bury the money. After all, his new best mate is a accountant... a little creative accountancy I am sure would not have a been a problem in some form or other. Failing that, couldn't his theatre company have donated the money!?

Brian Williams 97,

You bet I'd call him a cunt if I came home, found that he had broken into my house, stolen my furniture and replaced it, and was cooking a meal.

Ray Roche, if things go to plan in Parliament today, you may be out canvassing for Boris pretty soon...

Ray #92 "My understanding is that Kenwright offered money from his own personal fortune and the genuine offer was leaked by a Manchester journalist".

If all of that is true, and he had no knowledge that it could not be accepted (and I have absolutely no evidence to the contrary), then for all I think the man has been a twat, that is one fine gesture.

The man is what the man HAS BEEN. The gesture is what the gesture IS.

Tony#99.
Tony mate, I agree that he should resign. He should have resigned years ago but I just believe that he 'aint as bad as he's made out to be.
I know you and me will probably never agree when it comes to him (though we just have over his resignation) but I just don't see the last twenty years of us being in the doldrums as being all his fault.
Loads of clubs have spent more time than that in the doldrums and NEVER had the success we had in the 80's and I just wonder whether it would have happened whether he came on board or not.
I just feel that sometimes some people need someone to blame and my experience has taught me that sometimes when very bad things happen it's nobody's fault.
Maybe my experience has softened me a bit?

Brian 104

Fair point. BK gets way too much credit as hero and villain. In the big scheme of things he's an irrelevant incompetent owner whose reign was without note. We should probably stop portraying him as a saint or devil and just forget about him as history will

Mick Davies'@102

Oh, you are a wag, aren't you? Do you write this stuff yourself or does Ben Elton give you a hand? ;-)

Brent,, good call. I got the information from two golfing buddies, both reds incidentally, who made the claim after reading it in the press. I have no reason to disbelieve them. Like you, I would prefer Kenwright to be put out to grass but I can recognise a generous gesture when I see one and, like others, I imagined that William Kenwright CBE, a member of the British public and not acting on behalf of any football club or similar organisation, would be in a position to offer a charitable type donation to any cause, club, charity etc., without the intervention of the corrupt (allegedly) governing body of the FA.
Maybe a little help at grass roots and lowers leagues from the said FA might improve football in this country.

Fair enough, Brian, you know I don't like Kenwright, but I wasn't being that serious on this thread, well not about Bill anyway. But it is worrying the way football is going with way too much money at the top, and very little at the bottom.

Very bad things sometimes happen and it's nobody's fault, but thank god we never went to Kirkby, and I can't believe any genuine self-respecting Evertonian, would have tried to push “our club” so far away from our spiritual home.

I'm being serious now though when I say that, if I was the Chairman of Liverpool FC, then Kirkby is definitely the move I would have tried and wanted the most.

Ray @ 106, just being honest, you seem to be enamoured with snidey, self-serving money grabbing liars

I can't be Mike. I'm not enamoured with you.

Football League have granted Bury a stay of execution, a breathing space for them to try to raise the necessary funds.

Go ed, Bill, get in there.