Silva baffled by VAR inconsistencies

isn't quite right. VAR cannot overrule, only recommend. The final decision is always up to the in-game ref. What adult allows someone else to definitively decide something for him, especially a professional referee? I have no clue why EPL refs are refusing to use the sideline review booth, but it illustrates yet another reason as to why VAR has been such a disaster in this league.

I also have no clue why the VAR "recommendations" are so wildly inconsistent. Why didn't Mason say to Madley "pssst go look at your non-call against Richarlison?" Infuriating.

If you're at all interested, ESPN has IMO an excellent breakdown on how VAR is supposed to be used in the EPL: Link

After VAR's influence, the game was 2-2 with 15 minutes left (inclusive of injury time).

What decided the game was the unforgivable, and yet absolutely predictable under this manager, mental collapse that came after their equaliser.

Marco - We bottled it again, fuck VAR the players had a point to save and 3 point so win . they lost the plot again.

No heart in this team and club.

So, yes, Mason isn't the one making the final decision but Madley is taking his (Mason's) opinion as gospel and that is the problem (and not just because it's Lee effing Mason we're talking about here).

We seem to have Martinez syndrome back. Can't score goals can't prevent them.

We were royally done by VAR twice. Once for the goal and then because they scored in the added time resulting from the VAR decision.

We have not won back to back games for a while nor come from behind and when we looked like we might, the FA basically intervened in a way most people agree is either corrupt or stupid. The players, understandably, lost their belief.

And Silva is also correct in his suggestions that EFC are on the wrong end of a lot awful officialdom. I remember last season calculating we were probably 8 points worse off due to the Arsenal offside, the Jags red card, the ball going out of play at Anfield, unpunished tackles against City and Chelsea that should have been reds...oh and the Millwall fiasco.

Personally I think he should engineer a spirit within the dressing room that nobody likes us and stop being good old friendly Everton. The FA are taking the mick out their longest serving top flight member so we should call them on it.

It's been going on too long...the Sterling semi final goal, the Hibbert derby red card, the Rodwell red card...

With you on that. Was saddened to see the amount of posts saying to sack Silva.

We got totally and utterly done by the FA yesterday and no coach can legislate for that.

Mourinho, Wenger or Moyes would steady the ship and start the real rebuilding of pride and purpose.

Put a tenner on Silva's potted plant and picture of his wife and kids being put in a cardboard box at finch farm on Wednesday morning If Watford win this week.

It was only one bad decision and the score was 2-2. So what happened? We collapsed – that was the problem, not VAR.

But there were 90+ other minutes where we could have won the match. The real problem is that we continuously put ourselves in a position where these bad/terrible moments do become game-deciding for us. If we're up 2-0 at that point, would it have been a big deal? Guaranteed there'd be 358 fewer posts about it, that's for sure.

The fact he's still here at 5.43pm today unfortunately indicates that Moshiri et al may be just as inept as he is. Something that I'm gutted to think after all the money he has put in.

Soft arse Pickford fully at fault for the first after a soft turnover in possession and daft foul. The penalty was a fucking joke and then an oggy from our Captain.

Kept the same team - plus point. Brought on Calvert-Lewin – he scored.

It's the usually soft belly shithouses who cant hold out against shite sides.

Why were we struggling mightily against Brighton? Brighton!

I was all for video refereeing but trust FIFA, UEFA, The FA to completely balls up its implementation.

They need a panel of 3 judges watching the game with access to 3 angles of replays shown rapidly, immediately after the incident and if all three press the button the ref blows his whistle.

Giving these idiots any more power is like asking the inmates to lock up the prison!

The whole thing is a sick joke and EFC are on the end of the vomit fallout - as usual. We need to stuff Watford and I mean stuff them. I'm guessing given their League position they won't put out a strong XI. So concentrate minds, channel the anger and frustration and stuff Watford.

Did you see that penalty at Anfield earlier? I am 110% convinced there is an agenda going on here with regards certain teams.

VAR was supposed to level the playing field so to speak, it was supposed to cut out diving, shirt pulling and settle controversial decisions on the spot.

Instead it's played right into the hands of the cheats and media darlings.
Seriously, I'm fucking finished with the game, it becomes a pointless exercise when a decision is still so blatantly wrong that a blind man on a galloping horse could see it, despite having a ruck of so called professionals fuck it up with the aid of computerised video technology.

I fucking despair, I really do, Arrrrrrrgghhh.

I agree with you, the VAR decision had an enormous effect on the game. If the penalty had not been given, play would have resumed by way of a goal kick and not by a kick-off. The whole pattern of play would have been altered, and we could have held out until the final whistle, or we may well have been beaten by a larger margin – no-one will ever know.

Had we held on, I don't think that there would be criticism of the substitutions, and the thread would be a positive one, celebrating the end of an unpleasant period, and we'd all be looking forward to Tuesday evening.

The defender did not even see Mane and made contact when he was trying to clear the ball.

Never a penalty in a million years mate, more like a foul on the Spurs defender. This is not bluenose bias by the way, it was a shit decision...End of.

However, this does distract from the bigger picture. The team should not be putting themselves in this position.

Both signed for Everton and immediately lost their athleticism.

We need 3 high energy midfielders. No less.

I hope Silva uses this, however the fact remains our players are mentally weak.

I look at players like Keane and just see a player who is mentally looking over his shoulder for the next clanger to happen to him.

There are about 5 players in the same boat. Add to that players like Sigi who is the new Scott Gemmill and you are doomed as a club.

Mike Riley should resign, he won't, that's a topic for another day.

In order to funnel down to a clear set of parameters even on a subjective decision you have to embed a layered process with several pieces of criteria to satisfy before you can over turn a call. At the moment it is someone's else opinion. Utter nonsense.

The VAR is a red herring, the guy in the booth should and in other sports does administer the call. Where football I believe is getting it wrong is that it intervenes, usurping the on field official.

If we take our situation yesterday, the referee dismissed the situation, no appeal from the players or fans, everybody looked to the restart. There is no need to intervene, unless the referee asks for assistance, it's in the name; VAR.

Much like the AR aka ‘the lino' who gives a penalty after he is asked by his lead referee for assistance if he cannot see, he just doesn't give it!

If the process is layered and then applied you will get a consistent outcome, only to be used if the referee asks for assistance.

As suggestion you might ask “does the player have possession or likely to gain possession?” A particularly useful thing when the ball goes over players heads or the ball played is too heavy and could never actually be played. The check would end right there and remain as it is. If it satisfies that first point of enquiry, you could then drill down further etc. and if it satisfies your layered criteria then over turn away! The VARs would then be asked to judge on things a referee needs help with and not go hunting for stuff that isn't there.

A lot of refinement needed and actually I wouldn't blame the operators, the referees, one bit. They are being screwed by a flawed process and been criticized by a host of people with subjective views and vested interests, which is just hilarious since 99% will know nothing of the preparation it's takes and strength of character to do this particular role.

Bottom line for me at the moment, keep the offsides and bin the rest until you've got something better than a beta version you've foisted on us.

Everton are shit enough without adding to the woes!

This VAR-tech is showing to be a farce. The referrees behind the screens are as bad as the referees on the pitch. Biased decisions are still taken despite the technology. I don't see a decrease in refereeingerrros in the games, there is no difference from before... but now they are dithered about, involving more referees than the one on the pitch.. They need to get it straight or it will destroy they game.

IMO opinion we are a decent enough team with Captain Clueless at the helm, it doesn't help though when you get kicked in the nadgers by a faceless knobhead with a million quids worth of technology at his fingertips.

The ruling says the keeper should have at least one foot on the goal line when the kick is taken, so I'm not sure if this was the case in both incidents, but more importantly, the FA said VAR would not be used to determine if a keeper is off his line or not. This is left to the on field officials to decide.

The trouble is with it is in it's present form, still left to the idiots who created half of the discrepancies in the first place. As they say most are pissing in the same pot, and will cover for each other or try to be el supremo off the field if being the (VAR) senior man on the day.

Spot on with the rest of your post by the way.

However, we still shoot OURSELVES in the foot by not killing off games. With this squad, we play good football, we dominate a lot of games, there is no 'hoof ball' like there had been under previous managers, there seems good team spirit and energy, BUT we fail to kill off games. We need to do that in order for our obvious technical superiority over most other teams, especially the likes of Brighton, to bear fruit.

To do this, we need to be mentally far tougher. I think we've improved in that respect, in that there are signs of some fortitude, but there's a way to go. If we don't get tougher, we simply won't progress.

Injustice from officials is probably here to stay, but we can at least make put own luck despite this injustice.

The other reason for mainly is the one you're stating... We should have killed them off earlier. We had many good passages of play, many great openings to go on and score, but most of them were simply thrown away by sloppy play and poor decisionmaking in the final third. Walcott the main culprit, but also Iwobi and Sigurdsson were guilty. This is the main gripe for me with Marco Silva. As you say we play som decent stuff, nice football, but when we come to the final third we get sloppy. And giving the ball away sloppily in the final third, gives the opponent the chance to counter and score (third goal just such a passage). This is, in my opinion, the main thing Silva must fix, or he will be sacked, and rightly so...

But I definately think he has the right to be puzzled... Who the hell isn't?

I always hated the idea, and that dislike has only gotten worse now it's a reality.

VAR is and will ruin football.

I have my suspicions, but that component is critical in making VAR work as best it can. So, by ignoring that part, VAR isn't working (no argument from me here) and everyone with a preconceived notion that it wouldn't work is then feeling validated.

It's like the Premier League is purposefully sabotaging it, to "prove" that it doesn't work? I dunno... The refs use those monitors for all major decisions in all the other leagues and have very little controversy or discontent as a result.

The Premier League has been given a vehicle they don't know how to drive. So they should either learn to drive or give the car back, IMO.

What a farce football has become... I despair. It is run purely for the benefit of TV, here in UK and abroad, to make more money and look after the top teams.

The mentions of "VAR" must outnumber the mentions of "Pickford" and "Sidibe" by about 1000-1, but the former's mistake and the latter's lazy idiocy were just as much to blame as VAR.

We would still have earned a valuable away point if Sidibe hadn't fallen down a goddamned manhole on the gamewinner.

The fact is that VAR is something we can't control. The other fact is that we are shitty at controlling the things we can and should control. Like player intelligence and effort, neither of which our new RB showed on that play.

The current replay review system in the NFL is 20 years old now, and there are still heated debates about some calls.

Not for me it hasn't Mike. To the names of Pickford and Sidibe (you left out Gomes!) add the name of the manager for his poor substitutions and in-game tactical and formational switches. And throw in the lack of resilience in the face of adversity whenever any misfortune befalls to Everton, as it inevitably will in any professional sport.

The VAR decision is a worthy talking point, but it also deflects the debate away from what should be of deeper concern: the manager's and the players' performances in the 15 months since the ball first rolled in Silva's first match away to Wolves.

People are tying themselves into a Gordian Knot over a one-off incident and in doing so ignoring the deeper, more serious and repeated issues.

The game was not lost following the awarding and converting of the VAR penalty. It was still 2-2 and - with added time - there were still 16 minutes to play.

However, only one team looked like winning in those closing minutes and they duly did so. Yes, DCL scored within 2 minutes of entering the fray, but having already lost Bernard for Siggy, Silva then subbed out Iwobi and Walcott for DCL and Delph, ensuring a considerable reshuffle in the formation and tactics.

The pitch was made narrower. Speed and guile in attack was sacrificed. Tom Davies was pushed forward in a no-man's land kind of position. Sidibe - in the absence of any forward to fill the role - continued to support the attack deep in the Brighton half. Our midfield was left undermanned. There was little or no transition from midfield to attack as a result (not that it had been that great all game).

This was at a time when Brighton's own sub Trozzard was causing havoc with the Everton defence, attacking the space in our half so conveniently left by Sidibe playing so advanced.

Sidibe was playing down the flank on which the coaching staff were gathered. Did none of them see the above and think:

'Hang on! We've been kicked in the goolies with the VAR decision. Let's not go all gung-ho. Let's regroup and solidify again and only then seek out a winner if it presents itself. Sidibe, stay at home and don't go a-wandering. Tom, sit in with Delph. Siggy, keep forward but lie a bit deeper to offer an out-ball in the Brighton half. Richie and DCL, split wide to close their out ball from defence. Then we'll look at it again in 5-10 minutes."

The VAR decision was cack. But their winning goal was self-inflicted and Everton self-harming again.

That loss had absolutely zero to do with 'luck'. And even if 'luck' did play a part on Saturday, or in all the other 20 PL games in which Everton has scored first but failed to win, one might conclude that Silva is not a lucky manager.

If he was a General under Napoleon, I fancy Monsieur Bonaparte would have replaced him by now.

WTF??? No-one notice, or are you just too hateful of Silva to care now, that none of these so-called 'would-be saviours' did anything but fail dismally in recent years, and in the Premier League, itself??? FFS.

Nowt would please me more (apart from a League Cup win) than if the above team was the Blues who said loud and proud a big "Fuck You" to the EPL, but sadly we're far too nice. That's why we folded at 2-2 and made a bang average Brighton look like world beaters.

We need to get really fucking nasty as a club,signing a proper Midfield General wouldn't hurt for starters, followed by a statement from our owner that the club feels we've been unfairly treated in the past few seasons and will react if this thread continues...

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FUCK 'EM.

Other sports have more than one referee on the pitch – two in the NRL, seemingly a whole committee in the NFL. Why can't football do this? The refereeing set-up is as it was in the 18th century.