Usmanov ponders greater involvement at Everton

I want us to be horrible and push past some of these stuttering giants who get favours left right and centre because of status.

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Feels like he thinks the timing is right to go public. There seems little doubt that he was pivotal to getting Ancelotti on board.

And why get a world class manager and stadium with an average squad? And would Ancelotti sign without assurances? It's very interesting to see what happens over the next few months. I would love to see us upset the apple cart.

Obviously, Usmanov can't be already involved in the running of the club else he would have asked the FT to run this story on Monday after the derby - wouldn't he?

We have to hope that some of his money arrives into Everton directly or indirectly it's probably the only way we will ever see our beloved club compete properly in the Premier League.

(Me coat's on the way...)

Someone needs to do the Alice in Wonderland poster as Alisher in Bramley-Moore Dock next.

If it doesn't happen, at least we had a laugh.

Si @15 that's another classic. I love that creative thought.

I am sure this man, once he gets the "feel" for Everton like Farhad has, the rest will fall into place. It's comforting that the rooting down the back of Bill's sofa for some transfer money is a thing of the past.

Coincidence???

He called this a few weeks ago on another thread. Quite helpful to those of us not privy to local rumors.

Fasten your seat belts. The Giant is awaking from his slumber.

My favourite reaction to this on twitter is :"Let's not get carried away...but what number do you think Mbappe will be?

Absolutely hilarious.

And I'm the least informed fan in the world then. Rumors that I put zero credence in until Colin Glassar said it was floating around over there.

News to this naive Yank!

It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next several weeks.

Didn't Little Miss Dynamite say they wouldn't reveal the details of the financing until the planning permission process was complete?

Steve Brown I love that Trump one, makes me wish I was prime minister that post. I'd have a plan or 2 myself.

Jamie it has been well predicted by many for ages. Almost obvious to be honest.

Robert we will always have to flirt around FFP but the more we raise the more we can spend. Further investment usually leads to better spends but it has to be wise spending.

So many let downs over the years have scared us but this is happening?!

I'm in the camp that I doubt Ancellotti comes without Usmanov!!

This could be really happening?!

I said earlier that I had also read in one of the heavyweight papers that Carlo was on £11m for himself and his staff, not just Carlo, but, of course, the Red Tops like to sensationalise everything so went for the headline catching ''Carlo on £11m a year'' crap.

Usmanov

The club will have poured cold water on the links to any done deal until he is formally a part of the club and The Echo have to take their word for it.

Thankfully there aren't many investigative journalists anymore and certainly none at The Echo.

Ever since Merson said, “oh boy, this ain't good” when sky announced the Moshiri takeover it's only been a question of time before Usmanov takes his place at the table. To be honest I thought this would happen earlier but, better late then never! COYB!!!

I've been tipping Usmanov (more in hope than knowledge) for the last 2 years. I think they've kept their powder dry until the Stadium was set to go. Hopefully!!

I also believe that shower of will get their comeuppance on Sunday at Carlo's hands!"!

COYB

This is a genuine question. Thank you.

Poor explanation from a finance person, but I stand to be corrected/enhanced upon.

Mind you, the penalties in football pale into insignificance when you see what happened to Saracens in the RU Premiership.

A mere drop in the ocean for Usmanov!!

It's not up to us to work out how creative they can be but I'm sure they can be pretty creative and have been moving money about using caveats for decades.

Also, the precedent is a fine for the first time breaking the rule over a season. I'm pretty sure they'll be aware of that and happy to pay. Worst case scenario of a European ban hasn't been handed out to anyone yet as far as I'm aware.

I didnt see your response before I posted.

Glen Keith noted

I feel we'll do them on Sunday, really do.

Wish list please!

Donnarumma
Koulibaly
Rabiot
Werner

Just the spine for a start. @ £200 mill.

I hope so, not because I dislike him, but simply because he has and is holding the club back.

If true, welcome to the Blue Side Mr. Usmanov

Rob, thanks for the financing. We'll name the new stadium for the cat.

Another 2 -1 to us.

Also hints why Usmanov limiting activity to sponsorship has benefits for circumventing FFP to some extent.

The catch is what UEFA fair play panel consider a ' fair value' for sponsorship. City are still arguing over this I think.

But we need to take up the council offer, too, to really piss off the RS.

I understand how sponsorship might work to our benefit, but do recall that City were investigated. I suspect their backers had some very, very good advisors.

However, this is Everton. As in “if something can go wrong, it will”. And let's be in doubt, there will be some rivals, some very dark forces, at work to try and thwart a newly moneyed club in the Premier League.

I would sleep more easily if I could see a wealthy future without fear of retribution.

Just suprised it has come out before we get the decision with our new ground submission.

Think we are going to need a bigger stadium.

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No doubt planning approval will be announced shortly.

There will be moans and groans heard coming from the vicinity of Mordor.

Need some poster with ffp knowledge to let us all know the ins and outs.

ARSENAL.

Come to think of it, he might be round. Is that someone at your door? lol.

Rob Halligan could lend all the Everton supporters a grand to wave at them a la Harry Enfield!!

And we'll line up the Kopites one by one on the banks of the Usmanersey!!

I worked for John Moores for many years, and I can assure you he was not universally respected. He prompted fear in many people rather than respect. I personally, didn't care much either way, but it's a myth that he was liked or respected universally. It's great to be demanding and have high standards, but a bit of humanity goes a long way.

The book I refer to is interesting. I haven't finished it yet, but it has an ambivalence about his impact. The money and the players were great, as was the ambition and success.I was 11 when Tommy Ring, Royston, Gabriel, Lill etc were signed, and I couldn't believe it. Like an explosion of colour after monochrome pictures.

But as a club we were not respected or liked. It was felt the ambition made for pretty mean spirited behaviour. There may be many reasons for the lack of affection. London press, shitty tabloid reporters, the way Football was in those days etc.

The real star was Catterick, who had to manage that relationship. Moores was an instinctive firer of people, but Harry was able to satisfy him.

It is interesting how Harry's behaviour changed when Moores stepped down as Chairman, and nurtured young players through 1967 and beyond, showing a lot more patience than earlier in the decade. The Happy Convict Years!

It is also interesting about how widespread match fixing was in the early sixties, well documented, and how Tony Kay was actually made an example of to deter others.

As I say, I've not finished it yet, but it is very thought provoking and very worth a read. Written by Gavin Buckland.

Despite all that I prefer to remember the explosion of colour when I was 11!

I personally don't know anything about the man other than he is fat and rich. I also don't mind rich people or fat ones if they help my team.

Usmanov, ffs, open arms mate.

If Usmanov is, indeed, considering buying in it's interesting that the AGM is on the 14th.

Planning Permission has gone in. Maybe the moneymen needed a bit more for Moshiri, than...did I mention Usmanov.?

I'd like to see him in the stands as well though.

And I told yer so...

USM Bramley-Moore Stadium, (New) home of Everton F.C
Aaaaand Dilbaaar !!!!

"He's rich, he's round, he's paying for our ground Usmanov, Usmanov" rolls a little better I think.

We were all made up when Moshiri came on board/Board but let's be honest the amount of waste there has been financially both in bad Management choices Compensation, overpriced players etc.

Let's hope that things are played differently this time, the appointment of Carlo Ancelotti with Duncan as his assistant, is definitely a positive step in the right direction. A ship is as good as it's Captain and crew, let's get the best crew we can.

Alisher has said he will remain an Arsenal fan, but will wear the Blue of Everton on matchdays, what does he do when we play Arsenal at home? I believe also the Club shop has ordered a 5XL special shirt. Welcome Mr Usmanov! 😂😋💙👓

Lets not take the piss out of his weight guys he hasn't invested yet. 🤣

This is a clear strategy to circumvent FFP, that can't really be challenged by the powers that be.

It is clever and subtle insofar as they are laying out the strategy now, in full public view.

If any objections are to be made - they need to be made now as any made later can be dismissed on the grounds that the proposal was made public long before the event.

I expect what will happen is that USM will pay a massive sum for the "naming rights" of the stadium.

The building of the stadium will however be fully funded by borrowing from the Local Authority or Local Authority sponsored loans, as has already been planned and publicised.

This will leave the "naming rights" money in the Everton cash pot and available to spend as we see fit, i.e transfer and wages, on the grounds that it will be income generated at arms length, from commercial activities.

When the dust has settled and some time has passed, Usmanov will be offered to buy Bill Kenwright's remaining shares and will then join the Board of EFC as Chairman - the post he has publicly said he always wanted to hold at Arsenal.

Just saying

I am sure at some point he will be invited to join the club and maybe this was always the overall strategy. I do think maybe he had a hand in persuading Ancelotti to sign, and I am sure Ancelotti would feel more secure in signing knowing Usmanov was involved in some way or other in providing transfer funds.

Imo Usmanov has been involved ever since Moshiri came to us. Moshiri is just a frontman. Usmanov will take over officially eventually and then we'll officially be another multi billionaires plaything.

Think we can put the 'knife to a gunfight' talk to bed.

Boy does he look shady though. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him!

Must be one hell of an accountant! Didn't realise double entry paid so good.

Believe the saying goes 'Behind every great fortune lies a crime'.

Perhaps the dawn of a new era, and to bring some victory and success back to EFC, and Evertonians.

Hopefully this decade, kick starts a new era for Everton, and good times ahead.

To be compete on the top table with the best seat, is something we've dreamed off for years.

Onwards and upwards, Evertonians, onto victory, and tomorrow a win or a draw would be superb.

It strikes me that you either adopt a moral stance on the sources of money in the game, and don't take any further interest in the game at all (no Sky subscription, no attendance at matches, no watching MOTD, no partaking of ToffeeWeb, etc.), or you simply follow your team regardless.

Make your mind up time?

We can have all the money in the world but until we have players and a coach all singing from the same carol sheet it means didley.

https://www.asser.nl/SportsLaw/Blog/post/the-evolution-of-uefa-s-financial-fair-play-rules-part-1-background-and-eu-law-by-christopher-flanagan

Imagine Burger King being told they can't spend as much on advertising as mcDonalds because McDonalds have more branches?

A Lawyer for Bosman, Dupont, has been spouting crap about taking down the transfer system for years and for the last 3 years he's had FFP in his sights. He is attention hungry, and so far none of his cases have got anywhere. Quite frankly though, FFP is not fair to the likes of Everton and it is all about making sure that we cannot join the elite, by restricting what we can spend, even if we have Usmanov bankrolling us.

More importantly though, if you do an international deal, the small print always has a jurisdiction clause. Proudly, nearly every major European contact states UK law as having jurisdiction meaning our courts have the final say above all others. Even a lot of american multinational deals nominate UK law too. This is now changing to France, but that's not the point.

The point is to play in European Competition you have to consent to rules and regulations which will give jurisdiction to European Law and not UK law. So Brexit means nothing to FFP.

Where Brexit is going to be potentially seismic is that the EU players are classed as foreign. Even Seamus Coleman. So take the starting XI on Sunday, there was only 4 UK players in the XI. We're only allowed 3 foreigners. So that's got to change. Imagine how hard it's going to be for some other sides. The PL won't allow it though as they need the global TV audience. The rules are set by the FA (not the government) so let's see what they do.

I predict the FA (cos again it's up to them) will also rework the work permit rules so you can sign whoever you want and forget about applying for a work permit for an elite level footballer and you just need to fulfil quotas of british players, maybe as few as 3 in the XI or 5 including the bench.