Ancelotti facing fine following FA censure

Can't imagine Carlo using improper language, surely he's too much of a gentleman, and too wise to do that, but have seen many Managers using expletives, that you didn't have to be a lip-reader to decipher them.

Didn't waste any time did they ?! BBC saying different BTW if he accepts charge and a fine of £8000, then he won't get a ban

To be perfectly honest, I admire Carlo Ancelotti for daring to question the decision.
If only the FA would charge match officials, for poor decision making, week after week. That definitely amounts to improper conduct in my book!

We all know the fans would crowd fund that fine in a heart beat.

Hopefully Carlo accepts the ban, but only as long as Moss, is left to gather Moss, and he gets an explanation for receiving a red card, and another explanation telling him how the same ref, only gave Fred a yellow card, for pushing into him.

But of course Everton were the first club to fall foul of the manager red card rule, just as Niasse was first to banned for successful deception of a match official. Plenty of players had dived to win penalties before Niasse, Dele Allí foremost among them, but we get pulled up. Don't tell me other managers haven't confronted referees this season before Sunday, yet we are first again to suffer the consequences.

I try so, so hard to believe the rules are applied equally and fairly across all clubs, but sometimes it's a real bloody struggle...!

I disagree, Tony, why should Carlo admit the charge? He had every right to challenge and ask for a valid reason. Don't take it on the chin and pay a fine, fight it.

Way too long now we have been too nice and accepted everything thrown at us.

So we might lose it and Ferguson might be on the sideline, but enough is enough, Carlo needs to take them on.

Brian (7), I agree entirely with your viewpoint, Carlo should stand his ground, and ask the FA what he he civilly asked the referee on Sunday, can I have an explanation why Everton ‘s goal was disallowed. Most Everton fans would like to hear why the referee in the studio disallowed the goal.

We might suffer in the future from the referees clique but that would be obvious to all fans of every club and might/ should rebound on the referees and the people who employ them, or am I being naive?

So the whistle blew, the match was over and he approached the ref to ask for an explanation and handed a fine of £8,000 if he accepts the charge.

The same amount Klopp was handed for entering the field of play, when the match was still in play.

Tell them to stick the 8 grand where the sun does not shine, fight the appeal, but do not accept you were in the wrong to ask.

That's it Dave, let the FA explain where Carlo was wrong, let them do the explaining, let us as fans hear first hand why Carlo should be fined.

Pure Blackmail, pay a fine keep quiet and we will allow you on the touch line at your former club.

Easy money for the FA and keeps Carlo from spilling the beans, sort of gagging order.

They don't want him to push it. They want him to take the carrot of the easy way out...you get to stand on the line this week...then they don't have to provide answers to questions they don't want asked.

The fine is nothing...a matter of passing the hat round after training.

'We', EFC, Ancelotti, Moshiri, uncle tom cobbley and all, have to draw a line. The 'We're sick of getting the thin end of the stick off you twats" line.

Push them back as hard as we can...and then some. If we lose to a rigged jury...and we might, well no change there then - see the Niasse case.

If I remember correctly didn't Moyes stand his ground on something and it all went quiet, starved of publicity and just faded away ?

Not that I condone it of course, but a mate of mine got done 𧶀 and bound over etc for clipping the ear of some teenage gobshite who was giving his missus all sorts of shit. He was livid, expected a smack on the wrist for doing the police's job for them.

If I'd have known they were going to do me for 𧶀, I'd have got my moneys worth out of the little scrotes gob - I agree

If we're going to get fined - get our moneys worth.

I'd like to see Carlo publicly ask exactly whom he should be directing his question to.

If it's not the referee then who is in charge... is it the PGMOL... The Premier League?

The question is, why did the VAR choose to overrule a subjective decision by the referee regarding passive offside, but not intervene on the subjective decision of a foul in the box 2 seconds earlier?

It's really simple. You can't just punish people so they can't ask questions of the system and rules. Is it an organised sport or not?

Fk it. Take the ban and make a stand for our club and every supporter.

The FA should fine itself for incompetency and negligence!

Bob @13, I totally agree with the sentiment there, but to do so would surely be an admission that they were wrong, and I doubt very much that will ever happen.

Seems very harsh. Obviously they want no-one to query VAR.

Mark(#6); You forgot to mention having a player fined for appearing in a Bookmaker's advert and I expect any year now we'll hear how Harry Kane got on for the same offence. Meanwhile, is there any chance of Mr Ancelotti's red card being rescinded as it's not as though he's broken anyone's dislocated ankle.

Wow, just read on the Red Echo website that Kenwright has donated 𧵄k to Speedo Mick's charity. Plenty of people may knock Kenwright, but his heart is truly in the right place. He might as well pay this "paltry" ٦k fine for Carlo.

Rob H,@17, it's probably out of the Arteta Money mate, or out of the vast profit he has made over the years. I wonder if he has bought Speedo Mick's Budgie Smugglers? :-)

I think it was a great gesture by Kenwright to give 𧵄,000 to Speedo Mick's fund, and he did it very quietly and it was Speedo who told everyone.

I also saw a clip yesterday of OGS hug Gomes when he was subbed on Sunday, another great gesture, I didn't notice it at the match. Did the Sky cameras show this happening?

OGS?

It was a great gesture by Bill Kenwright to "round up" Speedo's total to half a million!

Okay - OGS - just saw the video of Ole Gunnar hugging Andre. Yes, extremely professional and a nice gesture.

Paying the 8 grand makes us morally corrupt. I am still disturbed by the highly selective decision making to rule our winning goal out. Carlo had every right to question it and in the heat of the moment ,if anything ,he showed restraint.

However, it's probably better for the club to tow the line or we will just be made to suffer more.

“Why must I create a system or be enslaved by another mans:I will not reason and compare: my business is to create.”
William Blake - Evertonian.

Stand ya ground Carlo. We didn't do too bad with Dunc on the touch line last time we played Chelsea.

VAR... Bad refs advising bad refs. No point having VAR. They make decisions with impunity. Utter cowards.

Make a stand, Carlo. Embarrass the fuckers.

Pity it wasn't Dunc still in charge. He'd have nutted the ref, and then driven to Stockley Park and done Moss for good measure.

On another note - but Carlo related (he keeps going up in my estimation). This is from the guardian...

Carlo Ancelotti has ordered Everton's new backroom team to improve their English as they adapt to life in the Premier League.

The Italian brought six of his trusted staff to Goodison Park when succeeding Marco Silva as manager in December, including his son, Davide, as assistant manager, and his son-in-law, Mino Fulco, as head of performance. Ancelotti's long-serving fitness coach, Francesco Mauri, and analyst Simeone Montanaro are also part of his backroom team alongside Duncan Ferguson and goalkeeping coach Alan Kelly.

The three-times Champions League-winning coach said: “I brought here an assistant, my son, a video analyst, I brought here three physical trainers and a head of performance who works on the recovery of the players. Six people. I won't add more.

“I am really happy because we are working well together with the other staff who were here before. We don't have problems, just a few of my staff are not speaking English properly but I force them to speak English, to learn English. Everything is OK until now.”

Did he include Duncan in that order Kevin

I hope he's getting them schooled in a scouse accent, not RP. Jan Molby as tutor.

The pragmatist in me says just pay the fine and be on the touchline for the Chelsea match. Whether they do or not, my hope is there is someone at the club looking to do something proactive about the slights and injustices we have recently suffered. Brighton (VAR home and away), Tottenham (Alli, Sanchez, Son), Niasse (first and only retrospective red) etc etc..

I know other clubs will have their issues but surely we can provide evidence where others have not suffered the same punishment, like the Ancellotti red, Niasse red and Mina fine. A well-edited video might do the trick.

On the point of the backroom staff learning English, in Ancellotti's book he makes a real play of ‘integration' or learning the language. Obvious thing to do, but still a positive.

I see the Red Shite are 2-0 down with 13 to go.

Why do they always have more time to recover between games?

And Barkley smacks one in against the Shite. Today has suddenly taken a turn for the better!

Absolutely delighted that Mason has signed a new five year contract. An air of positivity at last. Long may it continue.

The interview is great, talks about standing up for his mates (and note 'mate's not 'team mates') and wanting to win football matches and not make friends with the opposition. Give him the armband!

Have the wheels finally come off Klopp's carriage? 😊

Great goal by Barkley. Such a shame it didn't quite work out for him at Goodison. Probably our best local talent since Rooney and a wonderful player on his day. Very infuriating too, but one I was really sad to see go. Hoping that Gordon becomes a fixture in the first 11 very soon.

Nigel, just for you
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJeWl7OSQK0

Ernie (12): your 3rd and 4th paragraphs are exactly how I see it and this is very much the flaw in the VAR plan.

If VAR questions one subjective decision, VAR must question every subjective decision, otherwise fairness is impossible.

It then follows that VAR is essentially the referee and makes the ref on the pitch almost redundant.

The lack of clarity of decision making, the perception of a faceless entity making decisions, the time it takes to make a decision and the lack of consistency of decisions... it's infuriating

I don't think he got his card or the charge for asking questions, but rather for doing it on the pitch and with the cameras running. The refs obviously don't want to discuss things in public otherwise we would already be hearing the conversations when a check is being performed.

Personally I think they are well enough paid that they should be summarising their view of any talking points fairly shortly after each game, and the onfield discussions should be broadcast as well.

Derek #11, are you referring to the time Moyes was brought up by the FA for comments he made about Clattenberg after a game, (was it vs the redshite?)

He was cleared by the FA.

Si #40, in rugby you can hear the discussion between the ref and the VAR. They could do that in footy too.

From memory, Moyes confronted Twattenburg after the game, in the presence of the chairman of the LMA and accused him of bias. Also the fact that he'd been in the Shites dressing room pre match, getting shirts autographed.

He then criticised his biased performance in no uncertain terms in his post match interview. Nothing was done about it.

I was at that match and it was disgraceful, from Kuyts assault on Neville to Gerrard instructing him to send Hibbert off. I've never quite seen anything to match it.

This lack of punishment was raised by Ferguson some weeks later when he in turn was done by the FA for criticising the referee.

Twattenburg didn't referee at Goodison again for many years. I'm not sure he can referee in this country these days.

There was always a bit of an odour around him and some of his activities.

Fight this, let the light in, shine on through the darkness of the utter biased totally one-sided corruption.

I've seen it happen where we catch a break, it's not often but it's always against a smaller team that then makes us compliant in the same darkness, which then causes bad feelings for us. And as we're so happy to see a decision, we then become the same bully.

I'm sick of it. That ref, Collina, came out of retirement just for our game. He'd been retired ffs!! To ensure we never got Champions League proper. He's now involved at some level in decision making!! What the actual feck?

Am I paranoid? Maybe... but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean it's not happing, right?? Mutterings of a looney is exactly why no-one does anything about this travesty.

As I have mentioned before... 14 is greater than 6, it's time for the 14 to fuck off the 6 once and for all (scrapping VAR too).

A UK 1st Division is what we need, just add the two Glasgow clubs, Leeds and WBA, then both the current Welsh (TNS) and Northern Ireland Champions (Linfield).

Job fucking done!

Next?

In NFL decisions are explained over a speaker during the game. So when VAR overrules a ref - the ref should turn on his microphone and broadcast to the stadium the reason for VAR disallowing or allowing a goal. It's simple really but the Premier League and FA don't do simples – such as letting the ref on the day go and look at a screen on the side of the pitch!!!

Carlo has admitted the charge and will be in the dugout this weekend.

Very disappointed we just rolled over again, and accepted it.

Ah, come off it, Brian. Nobody rolled over. Carlo vented the anger we all share. But he also confronted the ref on the pitch, after the ref got the call correct. What else could Carlo do? Deny the charge because the VAR ref fucked up? He did it, he paid, and on we go.

I'm glad he'll be on the sideline this weekend.

Quite Mike, the onfield ref allowed the goal, it was the bogus guy nowhere near the ground who gave it.