Disappointment in the camp that derby wait goes on

Richarlison looked absolutely knackered to me and whilst he still worked hard he just wasn't a threat to them. On normal form, he would have scored that header.

Very satisfactory all told – this team needs more time to gel and, if we can keep fighting back and getting points while we do that, then the season looks promising.

Good to see we've got the RS rattled as well. Let's keep going and see how far we can take this.

Personally I feel we lack a genuine out-and-out wide player with searing pace and I'm becoming convinced that playing Gomes and Pickford every week is flogging a dead horse.

Pickford needs time out now, his form is poor, decision-making is dreadful and everything he does is now being put under the microscope, take him out the team for four or five weeks and see what Olsen can do.

Gomes has been a passenger for a long time, even prior to the dreadful injury, but he's certainly not improved since then, he just doesn't offer enough really.

I'm struggling to understand the way Bernard has been pretty much bombed out. If he can recapture the form when he first came, linking up with Digne, then the guy can play a part surely?

In my view next week, Sigurdsson will start on merit. I like André Gomes but the application and spirit has gone. I said on another post, his spirit of 2 years ago, all matters considered, has gone. For me, bar a miracle, he won't be a regular in this squad for much longer.

Sunday League Veterans, as he plays on the park, now with no awareness, and in my view, is no longer good enough for the job.

I'll hold my hand up, I want André Gomes to succeed, but for me like when Marwood done Inchy, he's now not the same player after coming back from a terrible injury.

I hope to be proved wrong.

We got lucky today, the red shite are fuming, we played some good stuff at times and we are still top of the league. We don't need a scapegoat for everything you know, and players have off-days.

However we will also play some lousy games, although I don't think Everton were as bad as some posters have suggested. We got a point off a good team and they lost two points just as we did.

For a change, we actually got some breaks. We are still a team in transition. We have a very capable manager and ups and downs will just happen as he still experiments with formations and gets to know his squad even better.

They still couldn't beat us and we had a shot at all 3 points in the end.

Let's see what's what come February.

On another day though Pickford's weak attempt at saving that Henderson shot loses yet another derby in injury time.

We know he's capable of some spectacular saves but nearly every game now he's making two or three massive errors, yesterday he's absolutely dodged a bullet with two of them.

Give me a Vee
Give me an A
Give me an aaaar didums

Well said.

They are worried, their friends in the media are worried. MOTD was an absolute disgrace last night.

Everything that went against them was highlighted and everything they could have been penalised for wasn't mentioned.

We also had Newcastle fan Shearer being given free reign to destroy Sunderland fan Pickford.

Also no mention of VVD walking off. How us that consistent with a season long lay off being touted by Klopp? If he is that seriously injured, and I doubt it, perhaps the LFC medical staff are at fauit and made his injury worse by letting him walk.

One final thing, if they played that well, they still couldn't beat us. Surely that highlights their failure and also shows that we are moving in the right direction. An under par performance doesn't mean we will lose, we have a mental strength gathering around us.

COYB

If teams take more than 3 touches against their 6 man midfield invariably possession is lost.

Gomes just couldn't get going yesterday and looked off the pace from the start.
Mina practically set up their 2nd with basic bad defending. Holdgate and Godfrey will fighting it out for that position soon enough.

Pickford did the same thing to Mina a couple of weeks ago in our 6 yard box. We know he is erratic but we also know he can make world class saves regularly.

Nevertheless a massive improvement on last year's team means that we can compete with teams albeit with a little help from var.

Man City and yesterday's opponents obviously, United and Chelsea perhaps but they too are prone to the same issues that beset Everton on occasion. If we can take a significant number of points from the next few fixtures then we might surprise ourselves, if not, then we'll have to take stock and adjust our expectations accordingly.

How long into Klopp's tenure was it when they wildly celebrated a 2-2 draw at home to West Brom? I think sometimes our negativity is so deep that we fail to recognise progress albeit slow progress, and are too easily dissuaded that we might be building something of substance. The difference between both clubs and some of the supporters is that they turn a negative into a positive we tend to do the opposite far too often.

Those having to fly back from Brazil etc had very little time to get back on the training pitch before the 12.30 kick off on Saturday.

You could say Carlo had to make do of players being away a good 10 Days of the 14 he would normally get, baring in mind it was an early kick off, it is fair to say Carlo had 2 Days max to work with the players.

Is it any wonder we did not look like the Everton in our past games and yes can argue other teams had players on International duty, but what was noticeable is we just did not have the same high tempo from previous games.

I certainly believe we will see a big improvement for our next game, but the International break came at the wrong time for Everton, especially with three games fitted in that ten Days of Internationals.

It would show up the infantile red whining for what it is. I also suspect Carlo would win, gaining us an extra couple of points.

As regards luck, it's not luck if the referee follows the rules and he did. It's not our fault if the rules are iffy.

Anyway, as Gary Player said “The more I practice, the luckier I get”.

Rise above. Mouth shut, heads down, beat them.

Anyway, in case you've forgotten, we're top of the league, we've been playing in a way that fits that position, and Liverpool have looked vulnerable in a number of respects. So although I could say Vulcan, I'm afraid it's more prosaic than that, Earth.

We will always want more, as I'm sure the players and Carlo also will, so let's enjoy the ride. Having genuine class in James doesn't hinder either – pure silk.

However, in the next game they play, the referee and the VAR man will be aware that "this is the side that complains about every decision that goes against them" and, human nature being what it is, they will not want to be the potential target of any finger-pointing or media storm, if a decision they make is later shown to be wrong – so they will "err on the side of caution".

It is a clever tactic by the RS that influences decisions and wins them points they shouldn't get without any brown envelopes being involved.

The scenario is not helped by the sycophantic media that supports these ridiculous complaints in the first place.

Was he already carrying an injury that inhibited his ability to take out both James and Calvert-Lewin in the first 2 minutes?

The breathtaking hypocrisy of 'never hurt a fly' Souness, Murphy and other RS 'pundits' (too many to mention!) beggars belief. Even 'Jag's overcoat' Carragher was embarrassed.

Anyway we are already correctly focusing on our next match and how we cover for the loss of Richarlison. Time to unleash Gordon methinks, but Iwobi seems more likely to be given the nod. As for Gomes, I'd give him one more start to see if he can recover some form. Sigurdsson would not be an improvement.

ps: Stan, if Saturday was utterly disappointing, just remember how far that is from our FA Cup 'display' last season. For me, we showed the old Dogs of War resilience that will serve us well in the challenges ahead.

It merely demonstrates their outrageous sense of entitlement - how dare anyone ever give a decision against them. It is probably just kids aping their imbecilic dads on Twitter, but if I was Jordan or Richie I'd avoid walking near any walls for the forseeable just in case.

I don't think it lasted long with the abuse they got over it. It's disturbing how they act really

- attitude of many RS fans.
- media hyping (suiting more than one agenda).
- social media generation.
- snowflaking.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a collection. I'm not joking. Thank God there are no fans at games, there'd be applause in the relevant minute, you just know it.

Take it as a satisfying reminder that you are from the last line of mostly psychologically normal humans.