Everton stadium has been designed to withstand floods for next 100 years

In 2121, with global warming, it could then be used for a saltwater swimming pool. Coogee Bay comes to Bootle.

It won't go down well at all on here but in the current climate and working on the fact that we may be facing many years of social gathering restrictions, I'd seriously just consider shelving the new stadium now.

It may make more sense now to just throw as much money as is possible on making the team a great one we can all be proud of.

Ask any Arsenal fan if they enjoyed watching the Gunners at Highbury more than the Emirates, which for 15 years now has produced very little in terms of threatening to be the force they once were at the old Highbury.

I just feel now with the pandemic showing no signs of really abating within the next five years in term of restrictions and so on, is it even logically viable to build a new stadium with a big capacity of people probably never likely to fill it all at one time within potentially the next decade?

People are quite naive if they think this time next year we will be able to all of a sudden run back to sports events in our thousands, there's no way on God's earth that's happening especially between the months of October to March due to the rising numbers of this virus.

Whether or not the vaccination programme will be a success is pretty much up in the air because they tell us even if you've had the jab, you can still spread it to others.

Sadly Everton have just hit the very worst possible time to even think about building a new stadium now.

Jim - fair points and only time will tell.

Not sure you're right about the vaccine program though. I don't think anyone has said that, even after vaccination, one can still pass it on. What they have said is that they don't know as yet and that is one of the reasons why ongoing trials will continue even after trial participants have definitely had the vaccine (as opposed to a placebo).

The more people who take up the vaccine offers, the less there are left for the virus to be transmitted to (be that from those vaccinated or anti-vaxxers) so the success of the rollout is, in my view, critical.

Does this include the surrounding area or just the stadium? Will be fun swimming to the turnstiles.

Not sure what that means. Does it mean one-in-a-hundred-year flood? I didn't think that was any big shakes.

Floodproof – does that mean at BMD we're going to make even less use of subs?

Well, we have withstood a tidal wave of shite for the past 10 years plus.

I'm still laughing at this development and have been from day one. I can't see it happening. Bramley-Moore Dock was announced in July 2016. It's now 2021 and not a hard hat in sight. Spurs have announced, built and moved in the time it's taken for Everton to apply for planning permission.

Now, Lobster Pot Joe is screwed, I think this tragically doomed stadium will never be built. Not in my life time anyway.

I'm starting to come round to the idea that Tony Marsh is 100% on the money with this now. I think we'll still be in the same boat this time next year... just a funny feeling like.

Tony,

Spurs ground was completed 10 years after first application, I believe.

I think The Emirates is an example of when things go swimmingly well.

Why would we want to tie the club to a half-billion pound debt just so we can add ten thousand seats and move to a new stadium by a windy smelly dock? Let's stick £100m into Goodison and do it up as our red neighbours have done with Anfield.

Just checked, Tony Marsh.

Spurs applied for planning permission for their new stadium in 2009.

Thomas, from start to finish, when taking everything into consideration, it actually took Spurs 12 years to finally complete their stadium.

Kevin Molloy 11 now I'm no expert on this matter but surely if that were a legitimate option, we would have done it?

Rob,

That fact doesn't fit in with the agenda mate.

Thomas, what I meant was they first started talking about a new stadium in 2007, and it was finally opened in 2019.

Thomas and Rob, to be fair Tony's frustrations may be linked to the fact we have been needing a new ground for well over 30 years. Add to that the disgraceful condition of an antiquated Goodison, on this occasion I feel he is entitled to be annoyed.

Steve,

it's always been dismissed, as 'not practical' but, if you're talking the money we are, things can be done if there is a will.

Joe,

He is. He isn't entitled to make things up though

Rob,

I agree with your points mate

Thomas, yup I'll give you that. I just want to be sat in it before I'm 60! I was hoping to be sat in Kings Dock years ago. That went for a Burton!

That's fair enough, Joe, I think we're all a bit peeved about the new stadium taking so long, but if you look at the following link about Spurs' new stadium, you will also see they encountered several obstacles along the way. I can only assume Tony thinks it was all done and dusted within 5 years, which it clearly wasn't.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumberland_Development_Project.

I know Rob, we really could have done with the Commonwealth games, I think Moshiri was hoping for that also.

Joe #21

I hear you mate.
What an opportunity missed for the sake of £30 million.

Don't worry about flooding from climate change bar Leicester City building new footy grounds drowns you in misery.

Extraordinary how many see BMD as salvation despite monumental evidence to the contrary throughout the leagues

I take it this is to stop us going into liquidation! :-)

Financially, all clubs over rely on TV money. If that decreases at all over the next 5 to 10 years we along with many other clubs would be buggered.

A new stadium at full capacity next season or in 5 seasons time is a must. It helps limit the potential TV crash risk and also increase any potential revenue streams that Goodison simply cannot provide.

We have actually forward planned the design against several potential future issues and it will be built.

This is good news. Positive news. Something to look forward too. Can you imagine how desperate fans will be to get back to watching real live game and concerts etc?

Cheer up, people. We are still in the FA Cup, near the top of the league, and have Carlo Ancelotti as manager. All good.

Justin Doone,

I'm good with your comment. Well said.

Thomas Richards.

I love it when I get shot down. Wait a minute, though – I am talking about the time it took for Spurs to announce that the job was done, they were moving, compared to Everton. Spurs bought the land on their new site in 2013 and moved in 2019.

If you are using time a club spent looking to move, then that's another thing. We can then revert back 20 years to Kings Dock, then Tescos in Kirkby. I am talking about Moshiri telling the press we are moving to Bramley-Moore Dock in 2016. It hasn't happened, has it?

Spurs had a few sites lined up, like Everton did, but once Spurs found the spot they are in now, it was done and dusted in 5 or 6 years. End of story.

I can't help thinking that someone, somewhere, will be thinking “Why bother with stadiums at all? We've got everyone used to watching on the telly, they've got used to fake crowd sound, let's just CGI some stands and 60,000 people in the background and save ourselves the bother of having to deal with the punters”.

The future of sports without stadiums is already here, its e-sports.

Watching people play computer / video games.

Why, because contact sports will become too dangerous and insurances premiums too high.

But as it grows in popularity people will want to attend these events in person and stadiums will be back in demand.

Spurs were actually a bit late on completion in the end. Good news on the water level front, -this was one of my main worries.
However, I do think that the glitzy new zinc and glass bowl will merely be a bauble to help sell-on the club for a big profit. Moving from Goodison will sever the old links to the area and whatever EFC becomes, it will have a very different identity.

Peter - a very scary Orwellian comment - so much so I would agree with you - those turning up to watch or even as many of us have done, aspiring to are becoming a smaller and smaller part of the overall footprint of football. One for Paul the Esk to do a breakdown on perhaps?

We need to design a team to win trophies first. No point becoming a Sunderland or Derby County.

'Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink...'

Samuel Taylor Coleridge.

Tony@5: No, it doesn't mean the ‘100 year flood', which is quite ‘mild'. I believe it means the ‘predicted' worst case over the next 100 years. The issue of how valid such a prediction is, is an entirely separate matter (nowadays mathematical models are used rather than runes or soothsayers, but whether such models are better than runes or soothsayers is a matter of some debate in the technical sphere where such models are independently assessed). But I believe that's what is means.

Wonder if we'll have beaten Liverpool by 2121?

All new developments now have drainage design and attenuation designed and constructed to withstand a 100-year-flood. I think it is usually also a planning requirement.

Just hope it goes ahead, for once.

Jim # 2 - I sincerely hope you are wrong about this – “I just feel now with the pandemic showing no signs of really abating within the next five years in term of restrictions and so on”. That doesn't bear thinking about.

The stadium being built or not being built is one thing but the thought of zombie life for the next five years is truly depressing.

Let's paint another picture – the worst of the pandemic is over by the middle of the year and the groundworks have begun at Bramley-Moore Dock. The elderly and at-risk have all received safe vaccinations and the youngsters have achieved herd immunity.

I just feel now with the pandemic showing no signs of really abating within the next five years in term of restrictions and so on,

Dear oh dear!

it's in a floodplain"

"The rest of Liverpool could flood but the football stadium should be ok!"

Complete coprolite.,"it's in a floodplain"

"The rest of Liverpool could flood but the football stadium should be ok!"

Complete coprolite.,,,1,11:47:17,,159.192.33.18,ok,697,01/15/2021 11:47:17,SELYME,reader,,,no 1122541,40353,toffeeweb,15/01/2021,Richard Parker,richparker@hotmail.co.uk,"Really hope this is just us playing our cards close to our chests. If not, it feels like a really big risk of missing the opportunity to break into the top 4.

We are clearly light on quality back-up in the full-back positions and on the wings, but if DCL is out for a prolonged period we could really struggle.

Hopeful of at least a couple of loan deals, just to bolster the squad for the 2nd half of the season... but if there aren't good options then there's no point bringing in players that won't bring new dimensions to the squad.

Jim #2, if this Covid situation lasts for another 5 years as you predict they there will be no construction of anything going on as aren't you all in lockdown over there?

The question will then be what happens next? Do we continue showing televised games with no crowds as Peter #30 suggests? Or will people be hungry to get back to the terraces again?

With the water coming over the walls at Burbobank today, I got back in the car and drove the kids to the Pier Head. The water was only a metre from the top of the dock wall, so these plans will have to be very good, with the seas continuing to rise.

A lot of construction work is already going on down the bottom road, with my own belief being that no other city in the UK has got a finer waterfront than Liverpool, and this is going to really help to bring a great deal of life and wealth back to this city, once life starts again.

We could always get the Chinese to build the stadium.

Not only will they be the only fit workforce over the next few years but, with what they pay their workforce, the stadium will come in at less than £60 million.

Tony,

That water a metre down from the quay wall.

Was it Royal Blue?

It was a horrible dirty colour, Thomas, but to be expected on such a cold and windy day. I was looking at it thinking I wouldn't survive if I fell in.

I'd just bumped into an arl mate, and he was asking me how I felt about Ancellotti, and saying how great it's gonna be seeing thousands of Evertonians walking along the Dock Road to see Usmanov's Everton, so there was no way I was gonna fall in that river today, Thomas!

We win a trophy, Tony, it will look like Montego Bay.

I don't think we will ever get that kid of weather, Thomas, but the surroundings piss all over Montego Bay!

Er.... correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Spurs already have a site in mind like... er... White Hart Lane? They didn't have to spend years trying to identify a location and seeking planning permission for use of land for the same purpose it was already used for is usually pretty easy. I don't think 10 years with those advantages is particularly rapid!

We have waited 25 years for a trophy. I am sure we can wait another 3-4 years for a new ground.

Moshiri deserves a lot of credit for sticking with this project considering the headwinds and uncertainty. Vision and resolve at last. NSNO.

Speaking of headwinds... yes it will be effing wet and windy up there as someone said. Thoroughly miserable on a bleak winter's night... I hope the stadium will be well sheltered from the winds or we may have created a venue which is extremely difficult to play football in too.

Tony Marsh Spurs didnt move anywhere for there new stadium it is in the same spot, yes they has to buy up land around it like the Shite down the road. So the Spurs application was in 2009 so it was 10 years before the new stadium. But don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.

I see the beeb say that Spurs & the Arse are the greenest clubs in the top flight, hard to imagine how as the carbon footprint of building a new stadium must be huge. Perhaps we should take a leaf out of Forest Green Rover's stadium plans, Eco Park.