Pereira yet again in the frame for Everton job

I doubt Richarlison will want to remain after the summer. I'm expecting him to push through a move in a World cup year.

Not sure why but I have a good feeling about Cannavaro.

Doucoure is then more released to support attacks picking up the space behind DCL.

We have to be constructing a team that plays 433 as it plays to our strength. Richie DCL Gordon/Gray as front three.
Then a midfield three with two engines (Allan+new signing) and Doucoure with the license to attack.

It’s best that the new preferably interim manager until June, or permanent manager, has a say in this, so they really have to be making a decision next day or two at the latest.

Operating without a proper functioning engine room in a relegation battle is very risky. We have eight days to address it.

Next manager needs 4 immediate attributes, in no particular order:

1) Galvanise and motivate the squad - as Reidy says about Kendal, someone they’d run through a wall for.

2) Press opponents high and capitalise on their mistakes too.

3) fix set pieces and make defence solid.

4) Learn to keep the ball, and know when to make opponents chase it, and when to move quickly and incisively.

Genuinely think ANY manager we’re linked with will be a big risk.

Rooney - inexperienced
Lampard - can he deliver 1&3?
Duncan - seems to not fancy it or not be fancied.
Pereira - China is not same level.

…..so, I really don’t care now. Just appoint one and stop dragging it on. For the love of god tho, buy a midfield in next 8 days.

Hope the interview question is “which CM would you buy”, because we have no DoF, no manager, and no head of recruitment to pick appropriate ones to go after.

Now he is the favourite for the Everton (manager’s job / hot seat / short term tenure / huge pay-off for simply turning up/ talking media-trained bollocks wearing rose-tinted specs/ fitting-in somewhere in an undefined role between the boardroom and pitch/ using phrases such as “in a good/bad moment” and “that’sh footballsh” when asked “How disappointed are you after that defeat?”/ signing shite players for huge amounts of money that defies any reason or logic other than “he’s available and he fits in to my undefined plan”) - delete as applicable.

The “No Plan” plan appears on track.

Anyway, whoever we get is up against it regarding keeping us up.
But whether he succeeds or not, he will never need another job again as long as he lives.

Cynical?
Blame EFC.

The managerial candidates for other clubs are aligned with their style of play / status.
Our managerial candidates look like a bunch of desperados given there is no over-arching footballing style of play and we’ve been going nowhere fast for a quarter of a century other than down Memory Lane.

Rant over.

But the point about aligning our candidates to style of play / status is valid if we can hire RM, RK, SA and Benitez.

We’ve gone OTT on diversity.

He’s a multiple league winner in different countries and plays proper modern football.

His porto team were a joy

Wouldn’t excite me personally but then not many of the options do! Lampard is vastly overrated for my money and Rooney is very risky given his limited experience.

Kovac and Favre remain the more attractive, experienced options though I agree that hiring someone with no experience of English football might be dangerous given our position. Tough decisions to be made.

The more he keeps meddling the further we get from having any identity other than that of a 'laughing stock' of a club.

The damage that he (and the boards) incompetence has caused, have brought us to the point that any respectable manager wouldn't look twice at us. The only experienced managers will come for the money and any failure will bring them closer to another large payoff.

How many more decisions before he realises he's tearing the club apart?

The culture at the club is now 'It's ok to fail' from the board to the pitch, no one seems bothered to lose. No one cares if we play awfully or continually under perform, I wish there was someone there that hates to lose but we don't have anyone with a winners mentality and it shows.

He needs to appoint a director of football and let him identify the right manager to take us forward. He needs to appoint a chairman who wants to drive the club forward and a CEO with experience of running big clubs and how to run them successfully.

We need to rediscover our identity, we need to reunite the fans and until any of this happens, whichever manager comes in, we are destined to fail.

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Would he come? Probably not… however money talks and if we offer him a good amount would he not consider it? His Atleti team not doing amazing this season and maybe it’s time for a change?

A treble.

By the end of this week:

Russia move in;
Boris moves out;
Everton are still without (a permanent manager).

(Well, go on 50p then.)

"Doucoure is now injured with a groin strain.

Although Iwobi will be back soon from the African nations cup "

Two bits of bad news then?

After that, it's one of the fans.

Reading about Periera, was said to be on 30m a year in China, so maybe he’s not entirely coming here for the few million pay day. Wants the challenge of a club in the toughest league in the World?

This was an interesting clip from the article;

“Though Everton fans will draw inevitable comparisons between Pereira and the man he could be about to replace at Goodison Park. Like Silva, Pereira earned his stripes as an exciting young manager in Portugal, won the Greek title with Olympiakos and then found himself suffering relegation (swap Hull City for 1860 Munich).”

That's according to Portuguese journalist Pedro Sepulveda, who has claimed the 53-year-old will fly to England tomorrow with his technical team to sign a contract with the club.

Pereira's last job in football management was at Turkish side Fenerbahçe. (Echo)

The more I think about it the more I want to leave it with Ferguson. Another screw-up would be a monumental mess.

Much as those at the club get flak, I wouldn't want to be the one making the decision at this stage!

VP was followed and outperformed by a certain Marco Silva.

If true, this strikes me as an appointment somewhere between risky and bizarre.

Not feeling too inspired here...

Second in the betting has drifted to 6/1.
Nothing on the BBC website though there may be an announcement on MOTD 2.

I don’t have a good feeling about this though none of the candidates fill me with confidence given who is making the appointment.

Just hope we survive now.

Mr Moshiri has looked at the ToffeeWeb poll preferences without his glasses on.

Vitor Pereira - 1
Roberto Martinez - 2

To summarize, Pereira's never managed in a top-level league, never managed in England, likes to play 3 at the back and has interviewed with Everton at least two and maybe three times over the years, starting in 2013 when Moyes left. Having had tremendous success in his previous tenure at Fenerbahçe, he returned last year and lasted just 17 games.

Wow, the exact list of qualifications I was hoping for in our next manager.

Suddenly I'm a big Duncan Ferguson supporter. Oy vey.

I was reading too. Things turned sour at Porto when he benched James Rodriguez. That was when Rodriguez was young and fittish. He basically maintained a successful team in Porto for a bit, won the league in China. That’s about it if you exclude failures and sackings. A Pepe Mel type

As someone else said. This has Kia Joorabchian's fingerprints all over it. I seem to remember he helped to take West Ham down with some of the players he recommended them back in the noughties.

I hope you’re right that success elsewhere will be success here. I’ll get behind him if he signs, simply because no one else other than Duncan is either likely or exciting.

Some interesting comments about him in there:

"Replying to

@ToffeeIts

@FenerliDK

and 2 others

For Everton fans my opinions of Vitor Pereira:

- develops young players

- good eye for talent in transfer market

- clear vision he wants to implement

- high level of discipline

negatives:

- clashes with star players

- way too stubborn

Don’t judge off Fener, was set up to fail"

NSNO now stands for No Sodding Nouse Onboard. SIGH!

We've already heard Benitez say he didn't realise the magnitude of what was needed, and that was a previously very experienced manager at this level

Pereira will never have had a crop of underperforming players like we have, a combination of mental weaklings and players that don't like to be worked too hard.

Other clubs get these kind of appointments right, Bruno Lage has done a good job at Wolves for example.

No doubt we'll balls it up.

DBB to R2D2...Obi Wan, only you can help us now, crackle...Obi wan

That's worrying though because McNulty usually keeps his powder dry unless something is happening. If he's writing about it then if nothing else it's being seriously considered. Prior to that, the only sources I saw were The Sun and Mail, both of which are known to publish fiction.

Search.' Vitor Periera, I speak the truth' and you'll find it on YouTube

Vitor - who are the players.

Kia - Don't worry about that.

Vitor - but Kia, I've never manager in the EPL and EFC are shite.

Kia - Don't worry, when u get relegated he'll sack you and pay you millions in compo. If you don't get relegated he'll give you millions in bonuses. Its a win win !!

The board's reliance on Duncan, I believe, is unfair on the man, we need a completely different approach.

I believe we need a british manager to keep us up,first & foremost, then we can evaluate in the summer.

What I've always heard about him is that his teams play the most awfully boring kind of football. He seems to get it right at the back, and that's about it.

Please no!

Spot on

Key hours/days ahead to find out new Everton permanent manager.

Fabrizio just tweeted

Looks like it could be a goer unfortunately blues. Biggest decision in moshiris Everton stint and it looks like he’s letting the parasite kia make it. Grim times.

He was Villas Boas' assistant. AVB went to Chelsea and Porto all but imploded. They were selling off the Crown Jewels like Falcao. It's the Portuguese way so Vitor took it in his stride. Bear in mind this was his first job as manager and the top club in Portugal so the pressure was on.

Anyway, he had two seasons in charge. Won the league in both. Lost just one league game in 60 games. Conceded about 30 goals. It was a job very well done considering AVB's big name players were all departing.

Then he left and Everton was a possibility but we went for Martinez. This is key because it means Kenwright liked him before Moshiri came on the scene.

I only follow Portugal so the rest of his career I rely on journalists. He went to Saudi Arabia and showed his fiery temperament falling out with the board and leaving.

Then it was Greece and Turkey. He won the league in Greece. This was taking over in January from Michel who had his side struggling in second. Vitor got them back in 1st and did the double, so job well done.

Germany was a disaster as he had a 6-month stay at a troubled 1860 who got relegated and then went into admin, but he can't be blamed for the off the field issues.

China was interesting. He broke the monopoly there and won the league ending 8 titles in a row. There was more Everton links and he became the reputed best paid manager in the world in 2019. But not sure that's entirely true.

Lastly he was back at Fenerbahçe. I was on Twitter spaces tonight and heard a few Turks who came on and raved about him. So they think he's decent even if the club weren't performing.

When he first left Porto, when Martinez came here, he looked a real managerial prospect. He's failed to live up to that. He's not my first choice. But I'd take him over a novice.

The downside to him is his own temperament. He's one of the most fiery managers you will ever see. If we win a derby with him, then expect him to do worse than Klopp did. He'd go fully down the touchline doing a mad dance.

He got heckled by fans at Fenerbahçe. His own fans. He turned to the crowd mid-game and told them to do one.

He takes on boards, he takes on fans, he takes on the press, he certainly puts players in their place. He's a man with balls of steel. He never lacks for confidence. He's a real character.

I think he's too much. A bit too fiery. But maybe we need that. Maybe he can do what some thought Benitez could do and shake the club up in a good way. Maybe he can fire the players up like Ferguson was meant to do but failed. Maybe he can get through to them.

Benitez was a bit too cold and lacked passion. This guy is the opposite of that. He won't give a player the cold shoulder and silent treatment. He'll give them what for. That could be what we need. But it could be too much.

He might be Portuguese but he ain't no silva. He's not attacking minded. He builds from the back. That said, his Porto side were a decent watch. The Turks said he played decent football. Gone was the 4-2-3-1 of Porto and he used a 3-4-3. He turned ineffective wingers into wingbacks. They were very impressed with that.

He's a pragmatist. He will adapt to what he has. He will change formations and won't stick to a single vision.

When I think of the alternatives: Rooney, Lampard, Martinez, Cannavaro, and Ferguson. Well, no thanks. All rookies and no experience. Except Martinez and he's already been here and didn't do well enough to be welcomed back by all. I'd have Pereira ahead of all of them.

It's just a shame the club aren't looking at other names who would be better, like Amorim if they want to go Portuguese again. Gallardo is still my favourite. Others suggest Marsch, Hutter and Kovac. Maybe they'd be better but they're not in the running either.

If it is Periera, don't despair. This guy has four league titles, balls of steel, and more passion than any manager you've ever seen. It certainly would not be dull.

I wondered if you might resurface on this news with your knowledge of Portuguese football. Welcome back mate. You’re “he’s better than the other options” doesn’t fill me with confidence but hey if it’s him or then then beggars can’t be choosers.

I, like many others, lost any faith in Silva, but whether that was premature and hypothetical or not, only time will tell. It's one thing Managing a Championship Club and getting great results and score-lines, but that rarely translated to The Premiership upon promotion.

How many times have we seen a side run away with The Championship Title, get promoted then struggle or go back down in one or two seasons ?

Getting back to Vitor Pereira, I know little of him, but what I have read he is even more animated on the touchline that Klopp or Conte, has a fiery disposition and temper, but is very good at promoting youngsters. So some debatable points and possibly a good one or two.

Now as many have already pointed out, he has had no Premiership experience, although even the successful ones must have started without that ! Whether he is what we need or want is another question. My only other and main trepidation is that Slimy Character Joorabchian is involved again.

I have no faith whatsoever in Moshiri and Kenwright, they’re the Laurel and Hardy of the Premier League.

Instead, he seems to rely on the counsel of people like Kia Joorabchian, a player agent who by the way, negotiated the £34-million pound transfer of Alex Iwobi and counts Vitor Pereira as one of his clients. I fear that this club might become trapped in the Joorabchian web.

The obvious questions that have to be asked about Pereira are:

Does he have a successful track record coaching quality clubs?
Answer: No, not recently at least. He won 2 of the last 9 games at Fenerbahçe before he was sacked in December. Since 2011 he has coached Al Ahli, Olympiacos, 1860 Munich, Shanghai SIPG and Fenerbahçe, all respectable clubs no doubt but not at the level a successful Premier League club would aspire to.

Will Pereira have the drawing power to bring quality players to the club?

Answer: On the strength of his record and the quality of the clubs he has managed, he is not in a position of influence nor does he have a glowing reputation, so the answer is it would be difficult for him to attract top players.

Follow-up question: Given that Pereira might have problems attracting quality players will it be up to Kia Joorabchian to provide some of the lesser talents from his stable?

Are there better managers out there willing to take on this squad?

Answer: Probably

My preference would be for a manager on the upward trajectory. For this reason, I would take Rooney over Lampard. Lampard faltered with a quality list of players. Despite managing in a lower division Rooney appears to be bringing out the best in the squad that her has.

Another preference would be Ange Postecoglou at Celtic. His trajectory has been upwards. He has a talent for bringing out the best in underperforming players. He has taken Celtic from being a club in the doldrums to being a genuine contender in the Championship (remembering that Rangers won the title last year with a 25-point margin).

I would take Postecoglou over Pereira any day of the week, the only problem would be getting him away from Celtic. Unfortunately, or fortunately, both Rooney and Postecoglou are not represented by Kia Joorabchian.

Simon #102, I'm amused by the TW fascination with other clubs' managers. You've added another name to the list.

We need a new manager now. I'd prefer a qualified, experienced guy we don't have to buy out. Save that money to spend on a midfielder.

I think his passionate personality will be a temporary tonic after Benitez, the fans will love it. I like it when the manager can become a twelfth man on the touch line, players respond to it mid game. The crowd gets engaged by it, and it can help drive the team especially at home games. The reality is though, that’s all froth. Can he do the hard bit and get results?

It looks like we are in business with Kia Joorabchian so this manager may come as part of a package he is proposing. A player or two heading here from his stable maybe thrown in.

The appointment looks like it won’t be a stable one, but will be a right old rollercoaster ride , one where we’ll have to cross ourselves and look to the heavens before each game.

More!

Moshiri, our board and Joorabachian will be fully aware that we need more than just a manager. We need definitely one, probably two quality midfielders to best guarantee a safe passage back to mid table security.

Next season we could build on it.

"I speak the truth"

I like him - but then again I like Neil Warnock. There is something about a nutter that appeals to me.

Steve # 96 - good to see you back. Gallardo! - now there is a manager who could turn our fortunes around. I would sell the farm to get him in but he has just signed a one year extension.

Periera is a manager that apparently had been interviewed for the job at Everton in 2013 and 2019 respectively but clearly didn't impress enough then to get it, now it just smacks of "he's out of a job so get him".

We need to get behind him, but much like our players that come in from overseas with no experience here, I imagine he's going to need time to know the English league.

Sadly one thing we don't have right now is time.

Good luck to Vitor Periera is all I can say.

Obviously everyone's instinct will be to point at the level of experience in the top leagues, but that's not always reflective. I know it's a one-off, but Arnse Wenger didn't fair too badly when he came back from Japan.

And yes, he managed in France, but if I recall at the time, the French league could be compared to the Portuguese one in terms of standard? I leave that to those who follow.

I'll be honest, I know little, if nothing about this guy, so appreciate the detail Steve.

This guys got no prem experience (ignore Poch, Wenger, Pep, Tuchel, Mourinho, and at least a dozen others who came here in same boat).

Ferguson’s apparently tactically limited.

Rooneys too young, and likes older ladies.

Lampard apparently failed at Chelsea by not winning the quadruple.

Martinez didn’t know how to defend 7 years ago.

……etc. etc.

The only time we’ve ever really just backed a manager was Carlo. Even he had his wingers on here after results slid a bit. We ain’t getting another Carlo, not without a 5 year £200k+ a week outlay, and a £150m war chest. Pipe dream.

So, for me, as long as a) not an ex red, b) doesn’t play defensive kitap1 football and c) can coach pressing and keep the ball…..then let’s just hope they pick quickly and get behind anyone who comes in.

If he clears that bench and replaces the entire coaching and development staff - he has a chance. If they are still sitting there for game 1 - he is doomed.

You can save yourself millions with that advice Mr Moshiri.

An appointment that seems like the desperate billionaire hasn’t got a fucking clue, or maybe it’s in the contract that the only way to get rid of Bill Kenwright, is by relegating Everton FC?

The madness that has unfolded since just hasn't been worth it.

PL experience or not , we need to get the best person available.

For me ,we should go for the guy at the top of the poll.
If we want Potter, we have to go all-in and get permission to speak to him, pay him very big bucks and compensate Brighton.
It might save us a fortune in the long run.

The owner. The board. The club. What a sick joke we’ve become.

I agree with Bob @118, my concern here is we need a quick fix, not the next manager / coach only to change again in the summer anyway or this time next year because it hasn't worked.

Strategy. Short-term is caretaker & regroup in the summer in my opinion.

To your point Jim Bennings; stick with a plan, even when it seems to be going wrong. See it through. But that comes back to getting the decision right in the first place based on the strategy.

Scattergun, shooting from the hip. We might as well get Clint Eastwood in to manage us. Focussing on the manager isn't the right place to right the wrongs of Everton.

Your description of Vitor's personality seems to be spot on.

My concern is, if it's true, he has been sacked by 5 clubs after spending less than a year there. So how long would he reign here?

My son lives and works in Turkey, where Pereira managed Fenerbahçe twice. He left in December (not sure whether he was sacked or not), and the fans were not overly vociferous about his departure (again).

Big risk if true, but I can see it ending in tears.

Personally I hope it's media hype, but the way this circus is being run, bring him in to join the other clowns at the top.

Will probably give Kenwright a heart attack. I don't wish that on Kenwright, but he might just be too much for him too handle, albeit I'd love too see the back of him.

We shall see.

Maybe you get what you deserve as fans, and too many have accepted Bill's cozy Everton set up for years. I'm not sure if the latest manager we are being linked to could manage a relegation scrap, we are certainly in one. For what it's worth I want Lampard, but it's a huge task.

About 8th choice 5 years ago and his only real league experience since was in Germany where he got 1860 Munich relegated.

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95% didn’t want Bob, Only 78% don't want Pereira.

The board are making progress!

I agree with what Danny is saying about needing an interim appointment. Focussing now solely on stabilising us, signing a midfielder, maybe two, and having a strategy to keep us safely in the Premier League.

Appoint a well thought out DoF in the months ahead and procure a a manger to work with him from June. The incumbent should be seriously considered based on his results and progress.

Have we had anything but in the 6 years since we sacked Martinez?

My reaction to this is 'meh, he'll be gone in 12 months anyway'

I believe your sentiments are shared by many fellow Evertonians. The club does appear to have adopted the 'if you can't beat them – join them' brigade and has lost so much more than money or points in doing so.

On another note. Condolences to me old mate, Iwobi. For the first time in his career he tried to make a tackle, fluffed it (no surprise there) and got a red card! Time for a career change, Alex. Professional ballroom dancer?

If not, the only sensible appointment if you think relegation is a real threat would be looking to Sam or Warnock.

But we need to bring in a midfielder. I can see both Doucoure and Allen spending more time on the sidelines.

Loan Lingard or similar, it is what we need. Pace, movement and can run with or without the ball.

Regardless of who becomes the manager, or whether or not we get relegated, we need a succession plan: I can see all of our South American contingent leaving this summer
( Richalison, Mina, Rondon, Allan) regardless of whether we go down or not, and it also seems DCL is being wooed by West Ham and Arsenal. There's also the end of contract people like Delph, and the unfortunate severance with the "Nameless One" to come. We will be desperate for midfield recruits.
Any incoming manager will therefore need to be looking at a complete rebuild, I hope very much this is going to be based on young, hungry players.

Although many TW posters dismiss the teary one's "What would the Everton Board do?" quote, I find it totally believable. I can imagine that if I was a senior board member at Leicester, Brighton etc I'd love to know what the Everton Board would do - to reassure me I was right in doing the complete opposite.

At least we seem to be making progress wit the vacant DoF role. Kia Joorabchian seems to be doing the job!

What a bleeding hope!

He now has a horrible little shit like his Iranian agent friend having a major influence in who manages the club.

I want Moshiri and Usmanov gone asap, don't care if that means the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is put on hold for another year or so. Even if we avoid relegation, these people should not be anywhere near our club.

For the adults, check out the following when he provoked a serious full blown riot before his Olympiakos team's derby with Panathinaikos.

He is the man in the long green jacket deliberately approaching the goal where the Panathinaikos ultras gather.

Pereira Provokes Riot

He subsequently said of the incident:

"I come here to play, with my team, and I can't go on the pitch, see the state of the pitch and see the goals? Can't see how things are? Yes I made a gesture when a Panathinaikos fan approached. When he came in, I wanted to tell him that I'm not afraid. Know why? Because I'm a man! I'm not afraid. Not of him, not anyone else here."

Panathinaikos won the game 2-1, but subsequently were docked 3 points, had the stadium closed for two games to spectators and fined 100 million euros by the Greek FA.

Later, a Greek court gave Pereira an eight months suspended prison sentence for inciting the riot.

I'll wait to hear the confirmation of his appointment before commenting on his coaching abilities.

And welcome back, Steve F.

With your interest in Portuguese football and coaches, are you keeping up to date with the Tuga, Abel Ferreira, at double Libertadores winners Palmeiras here in Brazil?

Also a very intense coach who is winning big trophies in the here and now.

A European club is going to get a very good coach when he returns to Europe as he inevitably will.

This could be our curtain call in the Premier League if true… or maybe for once we have stumbled on the next Conte?

Why take this risk now while we are hanging by a thread?

Richarlison and Bernard have representatives of their own but multi-million pound deals, which include complex negotiations with clubs at home and abroad, often involve a network of people to ensure they get over the line.

And this is where Joorabchian, and his Sports Invest UK Ltd company, became involved with Everton.

Richarlison was brought to England in the summer of 2017 by his agent Renato Velasco, of the Velasco Sport Group, but official Football Association documents confirm that it came with the help of Joorabchian's company.

Agent Nojan Bedroud, of Sports Invest UK Ltd, is listed as one of the two 'Registering Club' Intermediaries and his expertise helped Watford, and Marco Silva, bring the forward in from Fluminense in an £11.5m deal.

It is believed that Velasco Sport Group and Joorabchian's company again combined to bring Richarlison to Everton in a deal worth £40m from Watford in July.

Super Agent?

Whilst we didn't get the result, I took a lot of positives out of the Villa game in terms of performance compared to the recent games. At least the fans will back him regardless knowing he genuinely wants the best for the club rather than someone just after a pay cheque.

Klopp and Conte had done this including winning promotion and doing well in the top tier of high standard leagues.
Wenger admittedly was a massive risk that turned out unbelievably well.
All had squads far better and more competitive than ours is now.
Even ex-Man U Ferguson may not survive his first season these days.

We have too often gone for a second rate Pep style manager, without the stature, structure, players or funds available to change much and Pep would struggle with.

High energy, getting the ball forward quickly, keeping compact and simple at the back. That is our squad. Get the best out of them keeping it simple.

Dunc did well. He saw we couldn't compete playing it on the floor or through midfield and changed things. Players responded well and we just needed to take our chances.

Typical of Kenwright, 9 years later after trying and thankfully failing to get Martinez back, he returns to Pereira despite the obvious facts from his cv that his career has flatlined.

I am in total despair that Moshiri is still listening to the moon-faced buffoon.

If we really want to go left-field/wildcard, then let's go for the likes of:
Gary Rowett, ex-Everton player keeping Millwall comfortable in mid-table with limited resources;
Micky Mellon, who has got eight wins and a draw out of Tranmere's last nine league games following a mediocre start to the season;
or John Coleman, who has defied logic and gravity by taking Accrington Stanley from the Northern Prem to the Football League and now has them comfortable in League One.
The latter is a red, I know, but I use him as an example of a manager in the lower leagues who must be very good at his job.

Unfashionable, and they won't get a look-in, but they all know a heck of a lot about British football, would be much less expensive, and I am pretty sure they can organise a team. But, oh no, we've got to go for someone out of a football fashion catalogue.

That said, if Pereira comes, I'll endeavour to give him my full support. Without fans backing the next manager, we'll be in even more trouble than we are now.

But does Pereira know what he's walking into? That fella shouting 4-4-2 is nothing compared with an Everton crowd in full angst. Perhaps he should be shown some video clips.

It's all too much for me. I'm going for a lie-down.

I have no doubt that we have enough up top to survive but we have major issues in the midfield sector which might ultimately sink us.

This board haven't got a fucking clue.

He's a nutter as well, he'll fit right in.

Like the inclusion of the word ‘endeavour’. I’ll have to remember that caveat when I’m expressing my loyalty to whoever turns up.

The more I see of him the more I like him.

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I wonder if Farhad Moshiri is on the wind up. I don’t care get him in - he will stir them all up including us.

And I'll do my very best to give the next manager my full support, but I may be reduced to just sitting there with my head in my hands.
My well of Everton optimism is running low. But still hoping the FA Cup will spark some positive vibes among us all.
Am off for that lie-down now.

Seriously, where is all this going? Manager update announcements from Goodison should come with the Benny Hill theme tune playing in the background.

I was on a stag night in Edinburgh years ago, a few of the lads half drunk were waiting for the hotel lift. The door opened and there before us was Richard Wilson. We got in and he looked nervous and was waiting and waiting. Then just before the lift stopped, one of the lads let it rip …
…” I don’t believe it “ …
Poor Richard was not amused.

I agree, poor Alex. It wasn't even a tackle, he had the ball and was just protecting it from a tackle. Strange yellow, staggering to look at it again and change to red.

Maybe it will work to our advantage and he'll come back angry and nobody will want to see an angry Alex Iwobi!

He has no Premier League experience, and we're in a relegation battle, definitely heading down if he's hired. I thought Sharp was elected to the board to give the fans' view? Have Lampard or Rooney even had an interview?

Moshiri is in cuckoo land, has he learned nothing from the Benitez fiasco. Our board is like Monthy Python's flying circus. We're a laughing stock.

I want Zidane. Just need to find the unicorn stables he must be managing and persuade him he needs a bigger challenge.

OK, so not happening. Dunc til the end of the year? Finding a dodo is more likely (unless one's hiding at that unicorn stable).

OK, so not happening. Two choices then: go for some one left field (aka no previous EPL experience) - my vote goes to Erik ten Hag. Or go for someone with EPL experience - my vote goes to Lampard and forgive him getting sacked for not winning the quadruple for Chelsea. Not saying there aren't better managers, but those managing teams above us aren't coming here, and why do we want those below us?

OK, probably not happening. Final thought - back to Gary #115's first sentence. There's no one most people aren't gonna moan about! But the list of names in the media is getting longer and progressively more desperate looking.

Dave# 177- yes we need two midfielders alright. I wonder if Pereira has them lined up?

I can't see anything in Lingard stats that say he's a prolific assister. He's another Townsend, occasional brilliant goal, hard work, and that's about it.

Not sure what wavelength Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison are on. There never seems to be much connection between them.

Rob, I DO believe it ! :-)

So that’s either a) nobody who’ll come or b) Sean Dyce then…..great. Unless I’m missing someone?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d take anyone likely to help us survive, and on 6 months loan he’s worth a go. But if we only have space for one or two more, he wouldn’t be a priority for me……we need a DCM or a genuine playmaking CM.

Lampard seems the obvious choice, much respected, already shown a lot of potential and hungry to prove himself and - importantly - age on his side so he won’t be looking to do one if he does a job for us.

Board: "Wayne"

Moshiri: "Nah - next one?"

Board: "Frank"

Moshiri: "No thanks - next?"

Board: "Duncan"

Moshiri: "Nope - next?"

Board: "Vitor"

Moshiri: "HE'S PERFECT!"

I'm not sure we need another winger/forward. Remember we have a very similar player on loan - El Ghazi who will now be available for the remaining 18 games of the season. Having said that, I would have preferred Lingard over El Ghazi. But let us not go there.

What we need now is a boss midfielder - someone like McGinn at Villa or Bissouma of Brighton. Well, I can dream, can't I? As someone suggested on another thread, even Luka Milivojević at Crystal Palace would be an improvement on what we have.

Who to choose?

Winning in China is not relevant. It was all about mega money, in a poor league until the government changed the rules.

Greece & Turkey isn't meaningless but I'd put more relevance on Portugal but that was 10 years ago.

I would prefer a current 'successful' manager in Germany, Italy, Spain, France or Scotland with ideally 5 or more years experience.

I've done a bit more reading on him now and am not feeling quite so gloomy. He's volatile but also pragmatic and though he likes 3 at the back it seems he is decent at picking a formation that fits the team in question.

I'd expect him to tighten us up considerably. We may not win a great deal but we'd lose a lot less. Not sure how he is on set pieces.

If the options are Lampard, Rooney or VP then he certainly brings the most experience to the table (though admittedly not the Premier League variety).

I still think the board should be talking to a DOF simultaneously to or before picking a manager.

I think if they were clued up the midfielder situation would be done and dusted by now. The manager, DoF, the left back hoo ha, now the never ending multiple interviews. The most important business has been well and truly forgotten about. If it is not addressed even the best manager is going to struggle, especially if key midfielders Allan and Doucoure get injured.

I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a midfield player (or two) coming in with Pereira though. The question is, will they be what we need and hit the ground running? This time next week we’ll know.

They were miserable at the start of the season, been in a bit of a rut for a long time, going through a number of different managers wth differing yet negative approaches (Karanka, O'Neill, Lamouchi, Houghton).

Cooper has come in and transformed them. Playing good football and climbing the League and pushing for the playoffs, as well as knocking out Arsenal in the FA Cup.

Would probably suit the job better than any of the names currently linked with it.

We need someone now who can sort out our shambles of a defence, especially at set pieces.

So now they say this loser to be appointed or failing that Frank Lampard? If you think that cockney twat would feel bad about taking us down then where the fuck have you been?

Moyes, all day every day, players that are brought in to do a job and they actually do it, crazy I know but it seems to work for most of the other teams in the league

Unfortunately Everton do not have the structure, , personnel, organisation or know how to stay in the Premiership at the moment.

I could even see the second coming of Big Sam such is the horlicks and shambles that has been made of this Big Club.

Maybe this guy had some Big Sam experience.

If it was another manager doing what he's doing at Derby, nobody would mention it.

He does seem a bit of an oddball!

If he tells the fans some home truths that might be entertaining but would probably make his tenure a very short one. The banners would be unfurled before you could say ‘get out of our club’.

As others have said, unless we bring in a couple of hard bitten midfielders any manager is destined to struggle with the current squad. Managers are neither magicians nor messiahs, something which too many fans and pundits still refuse to accept.

Good record at Dortmund, although it ended badly, but then Klopp's last season there wasn't the best, even though his overall win v loss record is good.

Look more at what he done with Hertha Berlin and then Monchengladbach. Teams at the time in not too dissimilar positions we find ourselves in. He's also coached in France, achieving decent success.

There is also the young coach who bailed out Dortmund after Favre left and won a trophy; Terzic.

And a DoF just 35 miles down the road at Old Trafford who maybe available in the summer.

I'm repeating myself. But as someone said, if I keep shouting it, maybe someone will listen? I doubt it but I'll keep saying it.

Premier League knowledge / experience doesn't feature for me. Klopp, Guardiola, Wenger, Mourinho and god knows how many more Premier League Winners. Didn't have Premier League experience until their first job in the Premier League. Who was the last manager to win the Premier League with previous Premier League experience? Without looking for assistance from Google, probably Ranieri, but let's face it, who at the time would have called for him and called that? It's an irrelevant point for both players and managers.

Go German. Or Germanic. The last 3 Champions League winners. They invented gegenpressing. They are both aggressive and technical.

Hassnhuttl anyone? Done a fine job at Leipzig and not doing to badly at Southampton.

Inhaler.

At Everton it's different because it's always the same guy and he hasn't learnt anything over the past 6 years. If he wasn't the owner he'd have been drop kicked out the front door long ago.

I just hope his recent debt to equity conversion is a sign he may be open to offers to sell up and leave us all alone.

Mainz indeed have an eye for a coach having given Klopp and Tuchel their first major platforms (Tuchel a prodigy of Rangnick by the way).

And aside for Svensson being an up and coming coach, he is Danish, which is a great market to tap into. Look at Brentford and how they have used it to their advantage to get them to a place they would never have dreamed of 10 years ago.

As the old adage states "There is company in misery" so I do get some comfort in the fact that there are people in the world of football that are as disappointed, naive and confused as I am.

Grasping at straws. To see how Everton's problems are compared to the WORLD problems I mentioned to a NON footballing friend that Everton could be relegated. He just stared at me and said "Who are they?".This may add a dose of realism to the significance of Evertons"s plight, but it is of NO comfort to those whose first thought when they wake up in the morning is "EVERTON". Unfortunately I am one of that cursed group. HELP!!!

Rooney was a Man Utd legend, not an Everton one. In reality, we are a mere footnote in hi story. Like Lampard and West Ham, like Raheem Sterling and QPR, like Alan Shearer and Southampton. Although all of those actually played more for their first clubs than Rooney did for Everton.

So I don't get this teary eyed adulation of a a rookie manager as if it is 'fate'.

What gets me (like so many too) is that when we hire a manager our style of play doesn't seem to change one iota,we have no guille to our play, we seem to just plod on with the type of style of play previously,slow build-up as well as slow starts,way too many back passes,poor set plays (attacking and defending),very poor decision making in the final third,shoddy crossing,we always seem to start playing well when we're 2-0 down,we hardly ever have pot shots from range (though Gray and Townsend help there), we just have no decernable style to our football and are usually painful to watch (fuck knows what neutral fans think about us?) add in my ultimate bug bear losing to poor teams early doors in the League Cup which then impacts on our League form too (I've NEVER heard a word from Kenshite about disgraceful L.C record too!).

I might be in a tiny minority here folks but I voted for Pereira on the poll as I think Rooney is not ready YET and we'll only get so far with big Dunc,as for Lampard I just can't see him here,he'll get another Championship club next methinks,we just need points on the board ASAP...but first up we NEED to beat Brentford in the cup to get some confidence and belief back!.

COYBB

Jay @ 157 - Riot? Call that a riot? At Goodison Park, in the early afternoon of Saturday 22nd January 2022, both a drink in a plastic bottle and a hotdog (heated) were thrown onto the pitch! Bottle struck two players (Magic bottle theory). Reports too of a plastic lighter!!!

Mistakes made Saturday perhaps (judged without knowing the full fitness status of the players) but corrections made with subs that had a marked effect. I say we deserved more than we got by the end. The team were better than recently.

It's just my sense really, that it would improve enough with Ferguson over a couple more games - enough to avoid the unmentionable outcome. Obviously, all faith-based as usual!

Jonathan 254 agree mate, it's a weird one, does Big Dunc want it or not? He seems to send out mixed signals, would he prefer to keep his cushy role/job for life? I expect so. He knows if he is the gaffer he will get sacked at some point so I do understand his predicament. The coach for life thing (as much as I love the big man) is embarrassing really and the club should be backing each manager with their coaching team. I would love for us to get in a top coach. Not knocking Dunc mind, I really have no idea if he is any good or not.

I don't get the calls for Lampard, why? Surely not much more experienced than Wayne and not an Evertonian. If it is to be Frank then I would rather have Rooney. Personally, I would still be going for Favre or Kovac but understand the reticence of some to "go foreign" at all. Wenger as DOF anyone?

Am I a million miles off ?. I think not

He is steady, plays decent football, likes young players and had a better points per game ratio at Dortmund than Jurgen Klopp.

He's getting on a bit (64) and may not be 'glamourous' but he's a smart guy who could help us this season and beyond and would seem a much more stabilising option than Pereira; whilst being infinitely more experienced than Lampard or Rooney.

I loved him as a player (yes I know he was injured/didn't score enough/a liability etc), but I was a starry eyed twentysomething in the 90's (sometimes a bit more than just stars in my eyes) so my view of him is happily tainted. That said, now I'm nearly 50 it just looks like Duncan is onboard for sentimental reasons alone.

His coaching doesn't appear to have done anything, he's useless with the media (a big deal in todays game - y'knaa whut a mean like) and none of us have a clue how he deals with players. I assume he just shouts at people, which in todays game also won't cut it when you're dealing with a room full of young squillionaires.

We're stuck between a rock & a hard place for sure this time. The job is increasingly becoming a poisoned chalice and any manager coming in will know he has a gun to his head from day one, with trigger-happy Moshiri at the reigns.

Martinez, Silva, Koeman, Ancellotti and Benitez have all failed miserably so why would we feel confident about anyone right now,

Big Dunc. as been on the staff for a while and whatever influence he had hasn't helped so why would we expect anything different going forward under his control.

Okay, without total control Dunc. may have had little or no influence on what's gone on before and judged on the Villa game alone it may be harsh to judge him yet.

Whoever get's the job has a big task getting this team organized just to avoid the drop zone so the presure will be immense.

I think we are all quite nervous at the moment.

We are bang in trouble in the epl, and if we go down to the championship, we will struggle to survive. This is fucking serious.

I want this guy!

If we're going down this season let's go down with a full scale riot at Analfield, he might just turn around and savage the board and its hangers on also.

Marvellous!!!

Ferguson as care-taker manager did not do himself any good when he picked a team which was not good enough to beat Aston Villa. He left out Allan, Gordon and Keane who would have done better than Gomes, Townsend and Holgate.

Although Holgate is underrated as a full-back and is much better than both Kenny and Coleman, especially, when dealing with corners and free-kicks into the penalty area.

Sadly, the downfall of 1860 Munich is entirely self-inflicted. The club committed an absurd number of mistakes. But the disgraceful relegation campaign and its aftermath is primarily Ismaik’s fault: He and his confidants compiled a disjointed squad and established a climate of anxiety within the club premises.

Delusions of grandeur

Its was realistic and what most fans wanted. Organise the defence, recruit a new midfield and give the strikers confidence and more chances to score.

I also think Duncan had the players playing to a plan and certainly put in plenty of effort and fight. 2nd half hd changed the game plan and players responded well.

I'm happy for him to remain in charge for a while and see who is available in another month or two.

As clubs get ko'd from European competition you never know who will soon be available.

Seriously though, until a complete clear-out or overhaul occurs it just does not matter. Any manager who achieves a modicum of success will be nothing but a band-aid over a festering, gangrenous wound. On a scale of one to ten, who we pick as a manager has me at a three.

What is more important is hiring the best possible person to put in charge of the entirety of the organization and let him or her do her job.

It's possible that losing Dominic Calvert-Lewin in this window wouldn't cause as much furore as it may have done in the previous one, because he's missed so much of the season, but having Richarlison as a central striker for Everton, doesn't seem to bring out the best in the Brazilian and if Dominic was sold, I can't see who Everton could buy at a reasonable price, to replace him who has similar attributes.

There are so many areas of concern for us fans, and it would seem not too many palatable solutions either.

Favre or Kovacs would be okay.

I think you have it absolutely correct. This is Catch-22.

We need a proper manager but the owners insist that Ferguson has to stay, so we up end up with another stooge. Part manager, part lackey to the owners.

Is it any surprise that the club is in such a mess?

Not a comment on who should/shouldn’t be sold but your comment about Richarlison up top by himself doesn’t bring the best out of him made me reflect on the fact that I think he’s not suited to a partnership with Dom and is better coming in from the left. Maybe playing Gray in behind with DCL may work better.

Long term selling 1 of them may help us to think about players who compliment each other and function as a team rather than the squad of component parts who don’t seem to gel.

What's happened to the suggestion of getting Ashworth from Brighton and that could pull Potter in?

Scary stuff!

Gray, Gordon and Townsend are better wingers and by that I mean they deliver more crosses and passes into the box for team mates.

Ric has been good and when he first came was without a doubt our best player. That's no longer the case and in all honesty I don't think anyone believed he would spend the rest of his career here.

DCL is an improving converted striker that offers something we don't have and is harder to replace.

Either way, we should start at £100M but could settle at about £80M. Talk of £60M is far too low.

Digne was undersold by £10M. We can not keep under estimating our players. It's disgraceful.

What I wouldn't have is them as a strike partnership. As others have said, there's absolutely no rapport between them. I dunno, they might be big mates off the pitch but on the pitch they're strangers.

If true, at least we won’t have to make another payoff. Plus it incentivizes him to do a good job and earn the next 12 months. The question is though, is he up to the job?

That one might stick, Joe.

Our survey said ; 2000 Evertonians voted and 99% of them would rather have someone else.

But that won’t matter much if he gets us playing like a team and winning football games.

Just when we look like we're performing in at least something, i.e. the manager sack & shuffle, Watford strut back in and remind us who's The Daddy.

Oh.

There's a common thread with all these Everton managers' problems and it's playing Keane

He then managed 1860 Munich - the older but less successfully of the two clubs from the city. One European final to their name. Took over in January and they were relegated from the Bundesliga. Some slightly worrying parallels there.

On another note - and I’m not advocating this - what is the general opinion on Sam Allardyce right now? Plenty of Premier League experience. Great track record of keeping struggling clubs in the Premier League. Prioritises organisation and set pieces.

Yes, he’s a reprehensible character and has never won anything of note. The thought of him managing Everton again makes my skin crawl. Is there any chance he might be the man we need, even if he is clearly not the man we want?

What a shambles we are. Watch Watford snap up Lampard

We might all be washing our mouths out soon?

A club Rangnick established in the Bundesliga just as he did Leipzig. Now there is someone who knows how to invest his benefactor's money wisely and bring on young coaches.

Nagelsmann was at Hoffenheim and then under Rangnick at Leipzig. Hoeness followed what is becoming a very German trait to go into coaching young; still only in his 30s and also worked in the youth setup of Leipzig; more Rangnick links. As well as moving onto coach Bayern's youth and "B" team. I mention Rangnick that much I bore myself now.

I have my views, as do others, but I want us to look further and at the structure of the coaching and management setup at the club.

That's why I'd rather wait until the summer and spend time on this rather than rush through another doomed to failure band aid / sticky plaster solution.

We've got enough to see this season through.

And win the FA Cup.

No matter who's in charge, losing against Newcastle and we are in serious trouble.
A huge game for both clubs, and they will have signed a few more players by then, while we look forward to Iwobi returning.!

We should just give Hakan Elmali the job now and save all the fannying about

Moshiri "What do you reckon then, Vitor...?"

"Well - Thank you Mr Moshiri. I might be mad, but I'm not that mad"

The national coaches have changed and I'm not upto date with the current setups but in general the USA, Sweden, Australia, England, Brazil (a few others too) have good experience, teams play some great football, they know and understand the game just as well as anyone.

Having international experience can help short term because its about getting the most out of players in the short time they have with them.

Otherwise Claudio Renieri would do for me. I'm surprised he has done so badly at Watford, but they always look competitive.

I think winning the Premier league with Leicester will always be a huge achievement that he's unlikely to ever surpass. But despite the last few years, he's still a good coach in my eyes and would probably come short term.

Also reports in Portugal saying we will sign him first, interview him later.

Despite that he’s as credible a name as most mentioned over the last week.

Why would Emma Hayes take the job, if offered?

Pereira wasn't good enough for his last 2 interviews… so why bother now?

In common with Martinez and Rooney, it smacks of a lazy, unimaginative board peeling grapes while avoiding decisions and hard work. Who next? Silva? I hear he's doing good things in the Championship, but I feel like I've heard of him before.

Something to do with mind-numbing sideways football – the powers that be have awfully short memories. Van Morrison, as the Rev George McCane might say

Anyway. Who would I appoint? Fucked if I know. I gave up when they got Benitez. The worst thing for anyone without power is to try to influence anyone who sees you as a minor inconvenience, like a mayfly or a speck of dust. It kills your psyche to sustain any pretence that people listen, so why continue?
I've lost my club. My club is dying.

ps: I've given Steve Fearns the benefit of the doubt here by not reading his post about Pereira. While this seems counter-intuitive, in my defence I can only cite his ebullient praise of Silva and how that contrasted with the reality of what Silva produced.

I didn’t think this 10 years ago, but I do now think it will happen in my lifetime, probably sooner than many think.

For Everton, can you imagine the publicity, the commercial interest and uptake of new supporters!

From a footballing viewpoint all coaches need to be respected. If you give someone who's proven to be good at what they do better tools and opportunities, why would they not continue to be successful?

Just calm down and give whoever the new man is a chance.

"Allardyce failed to impress last time, I doubt he's got any better since."

How can you say that about our most successful manager since Joe Royle?

In very difficult conditions and dealing the Board of lemons we now know we have, they said: "Keep us up, Sam!".

This he did with no thanks whatsoever, Just as the board said to Joe Royle: "Win us something, Joe"; this he did with thanks.

The board said to Moyes: "Win us something, Dave!"; this he didn't after 11 years and attempting to in 45 competitions.

Not picking you out for any personal reason, but the phrase "Our fans deserve all they get" is a trite and silly phrase because as fans we mostly get what we are given. Do City fans deserve what they get nowadays with such a fantastic team and manager?, as it wasn't always like that was it?

Remember they had dropped a few divisions before the money-men arrived did they deserve what they got in those bad days for the Citizens, because many who go to the Etihad nowadays also attended games at Maine Road.

As fans we don't choose the Everton manager, we probably would come up with a whole variety of preffered candidates but we don't have a say, only the owner and the board and other well connected people get to influence such a decision. Fans can hasten the demise of a manager, but only if the teams run of form is poor and only if the owner and board listen to the malcontents.

As far as I know, the appointment of Pereira isn't a done deal yet is it? Besides which anybody representing the club, is open to be debated about with some folks supporting and some people criticising it's been like that since 1878.

Barry 272 - very very scary - with a little editing I fear we will be the subject soon

Not too sure of the relevance of the comparisons to the previous managers you selected. I was just considering his performance during the season he was here & although they may have said: "Keep us up Sam!" It seems to me Unsworth had already done the hard part, with "no thanks whatsoever" & Allardyce carried on in much the same manner, almost identically so & for great reward.

As you raised it, I suspect Royle also had the instruction: "Keep us up!" & the Cup win was a hugely unexpected bonus. I also doubt Moyes was appointed with any instruction other than to "Keep us up!" & despite the many years he remained I suspect any kind of trophy win would have still been considered an unexpected bonus. Competing to be "best of the rest" seemed to be entirely acceptable & I can't help but wonder whether that would still be the case now. Stay in the top flight & compete for the chance of sneaking into UEFA's minor competition - job done.

The point I'm making is that our fans will moan about whoever is appointed. Every name mentioned brings an outcry.

Holy Moly!

Emma Hayes?

What's wrong with DBB herslelf if we're going down that route, Anne Widdicombe isn't not doing much at the moment? How about Jordan she'd have the them up for it before the game.

The club would have to get the organisation and timings spot on around the dressing room so she doesn't catch sight of all those big strapping lads in their birthday suits.

The club doesn't do organisation or timing very well, this why its arse is hovering over the relegation zone with only 18 games to go whilst having no credible manager to guide us out.

Hello Dennis,

You get where I'm coming from though? He should have had a touch more appreciation than he got.

He has done a great job at Southampton after a torrid start. He won’t be coming to us though - he has got a good job already.

My initial reaction after Benitez went was appoint a top DOF and leave Duncan in charge for the rest of the season. It looks like that isn’t going to happen now.

My view is we have to adopt a new approach because what we have tried for the past 6 years has failed miserably. The common denominator between all those managers was that they had premier league experience so like you Danny I don’t think it is a “must have”.

Apparently this fella has accepted a 4 month contract with a one year option. If that is true then it suggests that Farhad Moshiri has adopted a “try before you buy”approach this time round. Perhaps he is learning?

What does it say about Pereira though. To me one of two things:

He is desperate for a job OR
He is backing himself in.

I hope it is the latter. Steve Fearns reckons he has got “balls of steel”. In my opinion we need someone like that now.

It also seems he can organise a defence and knows how to set up three at the back. I look at our squad and can’t help thinking they may be suited to 3 4 3.

He seemingly is not scared of playing young players either. That might be good news for the two young full backs that we have just spent 20 or 30 million quid on.

As for the DCL rumours I wouldn’t bat an eyelid if we could get 60 million for him and spend it in the midfield as long as we keep Richarlison.

The only way the club moves forward is once the likes of Kenwright and our 'intrepid' CEO are moved on and people with professionalism, tenacity, know how and real drive are brought in to take the club forward. There is such a deep rot in the club that has set in over the years that all that matters currently seems to be avoiding the drop. Very few of the players have a winning mentality and most seem to be in a comfort zone, happy to take the wages, not really bothered about results. Leadership comes from the top and if it's lacking its no wonder the club is languishing.

I'm pretty sure we'll avoid relegation (because there are worse teams and a lot of our best players are not fully fit) and the new manager will then ask for funds to buy 'his' players in the summer. Just hope the family jewels don't need to be sold to accommodate him. At least we'll have sizeable wages to offer as the likes of Delph, Coleman, Tosun and others leave when their contracts run out.

Next season will likely be more of the same and if we have a bad run of injuries/results, we'll be on our 7th manager in almost as many years.

He can score goals as we all know but his body language at times and his whining suggests all is not well with his attitude.

He could be a much better player with the right attitude.

DCL has had a bad injury and needs a few more games but even with a walking stick he is better than Rondon.

The lack of unity in midfield and errors at the back have been evident all season and we are probably the worst team in the Prem. at present.

We know what has to happen and soon.

Bouncebackability, grit and guts are needed and real character. The new manager will be in the fight of his career, and I Hope lessons have been learnt from past mistakes.

We shall see.

He also called Everton fans "Chavs". Surely he's a wind-up?

Okay, in my lifetime.

Gordon Lee. My dad was toxic. He totally disliked him from the start. His only get out was Duncan McKenzie and Bob Latchford.

Howard Kendall (first time). I was a "happy clapper". Many called for his dismissal in that toxic amosphere of the Kendall out winter 1983.

Colin Harvey. We wanted him to succeed and we tried to back him. A fantastic coach and Evertonian but not the main man. Parallels to Duncan?

Fast forward, some of those now calling it toxic were equally toxic about Ancelotti. And as for the past few months; I don't remember it being that bad personally. Certainly not from the match going and in particular the travelling support.

Different views, different opinions. A manager will never get total full support until they win. And win consistently.

But to do that, we need to make the right appointment and give it time. Years not months.

I'm stating the obvious again. Sorry

Just got this from the Mirror (yes sadly), what the fuck do Moshiri and Usmanov know about football? One is a gangster and the other a bean counter. Every other club has a top DOF or a brains trust to handle this, we've got those two, Blue Bill, Sharpie and sales girl of the year, the delectable Denise Barrett-Baxendale.

We're doomed!

I’ve never been so worried for the future of our club, well worth a listen for blues if you can't get it up.

Nearly 50 years later our boardroom persist with this failed obsession, at Finch Farm at least, in reportedly seeking Rooney as a fully-fledged Premier League manager for instance.

Latchford was a good centre-forward but by no means a legend. I attended every game in those days. McKenzie refers to him as "roots-in-his-boots" for good reason. He was way better than Ferguson though. Latchford made an effort as a player, and scored way more goals.

McKenzie was simply born at the wrong time. The cloggings he and other ball-players received at the time exceeded criminal. He quickly wilted, sadly. Helluva'n after-dinner speaker though - a legend perhaps.

But for all my ramblings on our distant history we've never had a hierarchy as thoroughly inept as the current one. By miles!

PS folks, please read the attachment at (#272) for an insight on the plank we're now walking courtesy of our hierarchy, whilst allegedly en route to the Bloody Meaningless Dockside stadium.

What the?!

"Legend" is overused of course but Latchford was pretty damn good - no-one else scored the 30 goals, did they? I think his heavy build slowed him off the mark but he was hard to stop when going. One of the best at his job of no-nonsense goalscorer in that time, I think.

It certainly won’t help getting it up.

Watford maybe, who put 5 past us in 10 minutes.

How about Norwich, who recently beat us 2 - 1.

Burnley ? They will scrap til the end and although we beat them earlier this season, I wouldn't be too hopeful of beating them if we played them anytime soon. Their defence defend like tigers. Just ask Richarlison.

Leeds. An up and down team. They beat WHU away recently. Hands up who thinks we could do that.

Brentford. Very limited team but they too have beaten us.To put it frankly we were rather sh*t that game.

Newcastle. A pity we couldn't play them when Wilson and Sain Maxim were both out. Our games against them this season will have a big bearing on which of us stays up this season.

A couple of questions.
Will we have a manager soon ?
Have we signed a couple of decent midfielders yet or is BK watching his favourite DVD - "EFC The Good Times", whilst EFC burns ? It features our best 10 throw ins of the 21st Century. 5 corners we defended well ! Penalty Rows featuring, Mirallas and Richy. Also best value for money buys - a 1 minute section ( blink and you'll miss it ). Brands with a Fan. A full 10 minutes on James. yes James played here. Waving Lukaku off as he headed East. Koemans red Xmas Tree. Away day at Millwall in the Cup. etc etc. The DVD has the Tag Line - Gets you right in the heart.

There are not at the present time 3 teams worse than us.

From biting your nails to tossing and turning trying to get to sleep, caught between Purgatory and the deep blue sea… I would have sooner waited till the Summer, but we haven't got that luxury of time.

Duncan has said loud and clear he doesn’t want to be our manager, full stop. How can we buy, sell or loan players before the window shuts? The players we have on the books could, with the right attitude and fitness, get us enough points to stay up but we realistically need two players in now.

We still haven't seen what El Ghazi can do, or even young Patterson. I know we are clutching at straws here, I’m doing my head in at the moment, sweet dreams, fellow Blues.

But, I am glad to say, at least it seems we’ve pulled back from another poor managerial appointment by our very own Mr Bean. Pereira, by all accounts, could’ve been another Moshiri disaster.

Just give the sodding job to Rooney and Duncan until the end of the season and hope for the best.

So for that reason – I'm Out.

I remember one time in my coaching, when I was using rotation to keep as much momentum in the team as possible without ruining the performance. One player of Serbian background was fairly key to our progress and we were top of the league at the time. He'd said to me that he understood the rotation but please don't sub me when I'm having a good game. On this occasion, we were 2-1 up and he'd scored both goals and was playing well. At about 65 mins I subbed him and he walked past me at the side line and said "You can go get fucked".

When it came to the next training, he was late and I'd already posted the next game team sheet (unusually early). He read it at the end of the session and came up to me, saying, “I can't understand you. I told you to get fucked but you've still put me in the team for the next game. Any coach I've ever had would have banned me for a month or three.”

I just said, "Z' do you think I've never played and been pissed off with being subbed? Just go out there and do what you are good at". That year we won the league without a loss.

I relate this story because good managers and good teams work well and hard together to achieve as a team. The egos should go out of the window.

There has clearly been a problem within our Everton Football Club for quite some years. We need to appoint a manager who can manage without using massive ego and a playing group that has a desire to wing and won't allow their individual egos to get in the way.

I was hoping that Rafa had the balls and the time to sort this out but his handling of Digne showed that his ego was getting in the way.

Fresh start need and let's hope we can start with appointing the right kind of manager, who will weed out the egocentrics that ruin team performance and either bring them to task or get rid.

Sorry to have gone on and on but I'm sure I am just as frustrated as the rest of us on here.

That worked at the level you was coaching but these modern day players are so brittle (especially ours) and they can't or just don't accept any criticism or run to their agent or their little groups to whisper loudly.

I don't know (eg) say Calvert-Lewin as a person but I bet a bollicking off a coach like Dunc would have a completely different reaction to 18 months ago.

Patterson was introduced last night for the u23s and played an hour. He looked very good, especially as it was his first competitive game for a month or so. On this showing could well get a start against Brentford. If he did I be more excited about it than worried.

Victor P has no experience of the Premier league, doesn't know the players and hasn't lasted 2 minutes anywhere else. He may as well be Marco Silvas uncle.

Lampard has no affinity with the fans or area. Good managers do. They buy into the whole thing, and there's a two way relationship from the start. Itll be fat Frank and Tory bastard in a short period of time.

Rooney and Ferguson, and the fans are onside and the players know it. The players won't be able to throw them under the bus. Put some experience with them, and that gives us a start.

Different circumstances, but go through the Premier League. I don't believe Pep had any connections to Moss Side. Klopp as far as I know doesn't have distant relatives in Kirkdale. Alex Ferguson no previous in Stretford or Salford. I don't think Tuchel frequented Battersea High Street in his youth and neither am I led to believe that Arsne Wenger lived in Islington and had a Highbury season ticket before taking the reigns at Arsenal.

The only team the Dudley fireman got relegated was a team from his Black Country home. He knows that area and the fans arguably better than anywhere else.

Not having a direct assault on you Ian, just that dated argument. It plays to the Kenwright narrative and to be honest with you mate, irks me.

I don't care who they are, where they come from, who they supported or who they previously played for. Just appoint the right person with a plan and stop doing what we've been doing.

And sort the board out.

Dogs. Inhalers. Fresh air needed.

Like you say, it plays into Bill's narrative. It's this romantic Idealism that it's still the 60s. I'm going to annoy many now but this is exactly the reason I cannot stand the Z-Cars music.

Although Watford would be an easy commute for Lampard and would cause little disruption to his home life, I think Everton would be more of a draw.

Pereira
Lampard
Rooney
Rudi Garcia , gap then to Duncan and Kovac at 11/1

Got to be a decision very soon , to give the new manager a fighting chance to sign a couple of players.

I haven’t got a clue out of those six who would be a success but I’d be asking each of them - who can you bring with you to make our midfield stronger ? Because without a couple of new midfielders any of them will struggle to make an impact.

Right now that answer could sway a decision, as it will, in theory, solve two problems in one stroke.

Our owner and Chairman will be out looking for players without having spoken to themselves let alone any future manager or DoF, temporary or permanent.

They know football best right?

Either Moshiri or Kenwright will be making the call, how depressing is that! I would appoint an interim manager until the end of the season, appoint a DOF in the coming weeks and let the DOF appoint the next long term manager at the end of the season.

With the Transfer window closing next Monday night and the club in dire need of upgrades in the midfield sector we are not well placed to bring in the necessary additions. We play Newcastle in two weeks time in what is a must not lose encounter, the club needs to get it's act together!

Voids tend to get filled, in this case it seems by Joorchabian who, to be blunt, has a less than exemplary record in delivering talent and points to us getting the managerial equivalent of Alex Iwobi. I fear for our future, we are on the precipice in my view and it's a long way down.

It appears that Moshiri interviewed Pereira himself in Monaco, which hasn't gone down well at Goodison, according to report. IMO this confirms my earlier statement.

By now the dogs on the street know that this in not going to result in a proper selection process. Whats more because of the shambles that Everton is no Manager can fulfil the role of Managing the team.

Even if a Manager is appointed, anyone guess, I fully expect Everton to limp on and scapegoat after scapegoat being sacrificed, gradually moving it's way up the heirarchy of Everton. It will be a long and painful process for the surpporters.

Moshiri has effectively lost control of the Club he has a 94% shareholding in. It is argueable if he ever was in contol. #27 years has the right idea, but the problem is they( I include myself) are trying to help Moshiri, who cannot help himself. He is more likely to fall into the clutches of Joorchabian as Mark#409 states. Anyway who he appoints will be sabatured by Kenwright &Co as fast as is possible.

Sure it’d be great if Dunc, who has a clear connection with the club, got the job on merit and was a success but the decision can’t be based on who someone once supported.

On Rooney, didn’t he take the Derby job with them reasonably high up the league only to bring them to a last day escape?

I'd go back further than that game. Obviously not as much footage as now even though football was being televised more then, but "that" Oxford game.

Adrian Heath is credited with saving Howard's bacon, but watch the high press from Peter Reid to force the error and back pass that presented the chance for Inchy.

I feel even more sad now than when I started this response.

Let's just think about that. Rooney has managed Derby County in the Championship for a season and a half. Lampard matches that, but then there's the small matter of him also having managed in the PL and the Champions League for a similar period of time.

Watching the U-23s v Spurs last night they did. And got their reward time and again.

Peter Clarke, the co-commentator, mentioned it.

'The press isn't about the first player doing the pressing. It's often the second or third player that benefits from it.'

And doffed cap to Clarke. Aged 40. Still turning out regularly for promotion-seeking Tranmere Rovers in League Two, having played 700+ league games for a full golf bag of clubs.

Well done, Clarkie.

I played football in Germany as a youngster and later as an adult. They've always done the pressing thing. It used to be more of a man marking game. Once the opposition lost possession you would literally have a player glued to you, following you around the pitch until they got the ball back. It used to frustrate the hell out of us British players. Fly in the ear, wasp buzzing around your head. And they're physical as well as technical, so don't mess around in letting you have it. But their intent & principle on losing possession has always been to get the ball back as quickly as possible. The levels of fitness were unreal.

What's changed is they have introduced a different level of intensity to that. They still hunt the ball as they always have done, just at a different level.

Some say that is inhaler or caffeine induced. I have no evidence. I have inhalers and boots though.

Undecided on my Puma Kimgs or to borrow my son's Adidas Kaisers while he's away.

Done in isolation, you leave gaps and holes. As we have been doing.

It has to be done as a unit.

But then hasn't football always been a team game?

In our Championship winning season in which we won the crucial game away to our only challengers Spurs in the run in, a good friend and Spurs season ticket holder was at the game. Barely missed a game, home or away, all season.

They had had a helluva season, but he was bewildered and impressed in equal measure how we always seemed to have 2-3 players hounding the man in possession.

He was used to seeing Spurs dominate every team they played. Everton was the only team he saw that season that totally strangled 'em.

I 've said on another thread, that I'm not advocating the return of Marco Silva, for several reasons; what baffles me, is that, with that recent record, nobody and I mean nobody, [pundits, fans, journalists] is suggesting his return.

Instead, we may be about to recruit a different Portuguese manager, with no such recent evidence of ability... Strange how these things work!

playing catch up we ended up with clicks in the dressing room, something that wouldn't have happened under Kendall.

Silva was the victim of the Zaha Summer. At the end of the previous season he had finally got the team and all his hardwork and long hours had paid off. But players where leaving and he needed replacement. He tries to work with Brands, but Brands proved not to be fully in control of transfers, when his beginning of the Summer prudent pronouncement, seen to go by the wayside. Silva's requirement got lost in the fog and he was not in a strong enough position to demand.

He headed into the next season with a inadequate squad, and unfairly paid with his job, for reasons that where not of his doing. Everton is even worse now in that Benitez appears to have had no input into the January Transfers window IMO, and probably why he took the opportunity to offer to go with compensation, as was report.

I fully expect Silva to do very well. He is certainly capable, but like all Managers needs a Club that is ran professionally. Everton isn't, as Graham Potter insinuated in the reason he will be staying with his present Club.

The end of his first season was possibly the best and most consistent we have looked for the last few years with wins over Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U though a bad result against Fulham I remember.

That summer he was badly let down by recruitment as we lost Gueye and Zouma (along with Lookman, Vlasic and McCarthy) and brought in Iwobi, Kean, Gbamin, Gomes and Delph. Injury immediately restricted Gbamin and Delph and Gomes (who had never especially convinced me) struggled even before his injury.

In losing Gueye and Zouma we lost massive amount of dynamism in the spine of the team (which has never really been replaced). Add to that our problems from set pieces and some bad reffing decisions and soon we were in the mire. Silva did not help himself with his inflexibility but perhaps it wouldn't have been an issue if he had got better players bought in. Whose fault was that? Brands? Moshiri? Maybe Silva himself? Difficult to say but i've no doubt Silva is an excellent coach, as he is proving at Fulham.

The end of his first season was possibly the best and most consistent we have looked for the last few years with wins over Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U though a bad result against Fulham I remember.

That summer he was badly let down by recruitment as we lost Gueye and Zouma (along with Lookman, Vlasic and McCarthy) and brought in Iwobi, Kean, Gbamin, Gomes and Delph. Injury immediately restricted Gbamin and Delph and Gomes (who had never especially convinced me) struggled even before his injury.

In losing Gueye and Zouma we lost massive amount of dynamism in the spine of the team (which has never really been replaced). Add to that our problems from set pieces and some bad reffing decisions and soon we were in the mire. Silva did not help himself with his inflexibility but perhaps it wouldn't have been an issue if he had got better players bought in. Whose fault was that? Brands? Moshiri? Maybe Silva himself? Difficult to say but i've no doubt Silva is an excellent coach, as he is proving at Fulham.

The thing about Silva was that pressure piled on as we seemed to keep making mistakes and despite "working hard in training" we just didn't seem to ever improve. But, whatever faults lay with him, the same has been true with Koeman, Carlo, Rafa and it's the same suspects (Keane, Holgate, sometimes Pickford). But somehow the players live to fight another day despite seemingly having zero ability (Pickford apart) to show courage and learn from their mistakes. It's like trying to get blood out of a stone once they get into these gormless funk.

All the transfer business is probably done paid for by Digne transfer fee. I can't blame Rafa because I think he was sidelined.

He won just 19 of his 53 PL games with us. In 28 of those games in which we conceded the first goal, we NEVER recovered to win the game. Indeed, we gleaned just FIVE points from a possible 84 points in such a scenario. Salvaging just five draws whilst suffering a wincing 23 defeats.

His 'tactic' when chasing a game was to put as many forwards on the field as possible regardless of how such substitutions impacted on the overall shape of the team, or its detriment.

He never resolved our woeful marking from dead ball situations. Ancelotti sorted that immediately when he came in.

From a very benevolent opening fixture in his second season, we lost nine of our 15 fixtures, scraping just 11 points before his final 5-2 loss against t'other lot.

I'm happy for him that he has recovered his mojo at Fulham. Possibly reflecting on his failings at Everton has made him a better coach.

But by the end at Everton, he had to go.

Extending that thought, I've come to think most managers are much of a muchness.

They have a decent spell fairly early on in their careers and dine out on that reputation thereafter - often being repeatedly sacked for failing to replicate initial success.

They fail to replicate success because (a) the drive and motivation wanes, even with serial winners like Mourinho (b) they were often never that good in the first place.

Instead that initial success came about through inheriting an excellent crop of youngsters, a bunch of players who click or some lucky signing who makes it all work. Where, for example, would Potter be without the consistently good players he has been given by a DoF?

Then there are also the unsung heroes on the coaching staff. Silva seemed to deteriorate when he lost his more experienced number 2 to a managers job with Famalicao (or however you spell it) in Portugal. That also made a big difference I expect, along with the bum deal he was handed in the transfer market.

That's why all the names we're presented with are underwhelming for me - and, unfashionable though he is, I quite like the idea of Dyche stepping in.

He has genuinely got Burnley to massively outperform the quality of the playing staff and level of investment for many years.

He's about the only person I can see us appointing now who might get us to about 8th next season. Although it might not be fun or progressive, it's not like we've been served up anything but occasional quality in the past 30 years.

By the end he had to go and I wasn't arguing against it; but I felt that if we had got the recruitment right in summer 2019 (instead of BADLY wrong), we might really have been onto something.

By the end he had to go and I wasn't arguing against it; but I felt that if we had got the recruitment right in summer 2019 (instead of BADLY wrong), we might really have been onto something.

I'd be intrigued by Dyche. Don't think it would be a popular appointment but i'd back him to keep us safe. The issue might be next season when he could be expected to play some more attractive football. Is he capable of that? I'd take Dyche over Lampard currently.

'They have a decent spell fairly early on in their careers and dine out on that reputation thereafter.'

Pereira benefited from inheriting a highly functioning Porto team which, in the season before Pereira took command, had won the Portuguese league under Villas-Boas at a canter. In a 16 team league - 30 league games - Porto were undefeated, gleaning 84 points from a possible 90. Second placed Benfica were 21 points adrift on 63 points, Sporting third 36 points behind on 48 points. Porto won a treble under Villas-Boas that season, adding the domestic cup and the Europa League.

Pereira's two titles and one defeat in the next two seasons looks impressive, but I lived in Portugal at that time and he was never widely liked by the Porto fans, who thought he was simply given a steering job of carrying on with Villas-Boas team.

The same could be said of his title at Olympiacos. EVERY manager wins the title with them! In 14 of the 16 seasons before Pereira, Olympiacos were crowned champions. They won it again with Pereira. They won it the next two seasons after he left.

It would be another very disconcerting managerial appointment if he got the gig.

I’d back him to get us defending properly. After that, it’s a big step into the unknown

A good man-manager, good tactically but plays the brand of football I would not pay to watch.

He's a great fit for Burnley as Sam was Bolton, a smaller club with little expectation allowed to grow and build slowly.

When they sell a player, they have 3 or 4 candidates lined up that can play and do all the same simple thing's well.

It will eventually catch up to them in that club or manager will want a change, but like Sam and Pullis at Stoke change doesn't mean better or more successful. It's usually linked to money and ego.

I guess Watford have seen the safety light, preferring Roy over Frankie.

Against this, I suppose one could argue that is where it comes into view. Could he keep things tight at the back when he opens up the offense and maintains more possession in the final third?

I can only say that experiment has not been run but I'm with Sam, I'd take him over Lampard.

Sam/Jay/Robert, good discussion regarding Silva. It's important to note that we did not "lose" Zouma -- he was a loan and never ours to lose -- and that we had kept Gueye an extra year on our promise to sell him to PSG. The other three were good sales and likely would not have been important parts of the club going forward -- none is a bigtime player today. The problem, as you say, was that summer's recruitment. But I still believe Gbamin would have been a mainstay for this club had he not been injured, and likewise Kean but for the bad attitude. They were good gambles.

Once the Russian money is called in to make war on their neighbours, the football businesses will become flippery and the For Sale notices will go up without delay.

How much is Chairman Bill's house worth now?

In fairness i've enjoyed some of the gritty backs to the wall stuff. Equally I've utterly despaired of the appalling spectacle we're often served up.

I would accept the appointment of Dyche, not that he seems to be linked, on the basis he would be motivated, has something to prove and has earned it. He's actually achieved something outstanding with Burnley because his playing staff and budget are such that they should be nowhere near the Premier League.

If he serves up crap football then it is simply a continuation of Ferguson, of Ancelotti's last 6 months, of Benitez etc. If we were winning games, competing, working hard, defending properly etc then I would cope.

If you want someone to step in and deliver good football with this squad and no budget then think again. But we might be able to do that after someone has stopped the rot.

I've come to the conclusion that these players don't give a toss, they are the most unintelligent bunch of wasters I've ever seen pull on a blue shirt.

I've re watched our last 3 defeats and they are brain dead as far as football is concerned.

I'm fed up with the lot of em.

The point I am making is that there are still young, talented managers in the Championship. Isn't it worth having a look at them?

Scott Parker is doing well at Bournemouth,and the Fulham team Marco Silva is having so much success with is largely the team built by Parker

Steve Cooper is also doing well with Forest and I am sure there must be others.

Funny old world isn't it? Just saying!

I haven't got records to hand and It may be pure perception on my part, but, if you take Bayern out of the equation, has the Bundesliga produced more European Champions than say... The City of Nottingham?

I've said this a few times. If Favre is available and interested it would be madness for him to not be on the shortlist at least.

This guy got more points per match at Borussia Dortmund than Klopp and has done well in a number of leagues at a number of clubs. We'd be lucky to have him I reckon.

Hamburg beat Juventus in 1983; Dortmund also beat Juventus in 1997 and that's it for victories in the European Cup for German clubs outside of Bayern Munich.

I don't remember either of those games, mind you apart from Everton's 'exploits' in Europe I paid scant attention to the European competitions in general.

European trophies won this century by nationality of manager

Spain 16
Germany 5
Portuguese 5
Italian 5

English 0, nil, nada

Maybe there just might be a clue there

Interesting reading the comments on Silva and Parker. Are they genuinely up and coming or the next version of the previous iteration of managers that used to bounce up and down and make a living out of making their clubs exist?

Silva got Hull relegated and had Everton in a precarious position despite a positive second half season prior to the one he got sacked. That was after leaving Watford in dire straights when he unprofessionally switched off following Everton's initial approaches.

Parker; relegated (yes as caretaker and inherited the situation). Promotion at the first attempt. Relegation at the first attempt.

Back to the point on foreign managers. I don't really care where they come from, but statistically, it is blatantly obvious that successful top flight English clubs don't have British managers.

But seriously, football is so internationalized now that I think manager nationality is irrelevant. There is no longer a clearly German style or Italian style or Spanish style of play, or management. Most top clubs are a mix of players from multiple countries and most managers speak multiple languages.

Familiarity with a particular league certainly helps, and I'd rather have a manager who has worked in the Prem before, but it's not a disqualifier if they haven't.

Darren, I would agree in the super club domination of the Bundesliga. No denying that.

I would however argue it provides more all round competitiveness and entertainment and unpredictability beneath that. The atmosphere in the stadia is fantastic as well.

Not just a surge of noise at walk out to respective club's walk out tune followed by mostly library type atmospheres. Not just on occasion or through certain periods of the match when the ref riles the crowd. It's pretty constant. Great day out and I totally recommend it to any follower of the game.

Oh, and I have to get this one in. I can take a McDonalds like carry tray of beers back to my seat and watch the match with them rather than cramming them in at half time or being denied because I had been waiting 15 minutes on a crammed Bullens Road concourse. Sorry. I know I keep going on about that.

The irony, if I throw a plastic beer cup towards the pitch, it would be empty and fly away before it got anywhere near a player. However in England, I can buy a bottle of coke or even better, a hot drink and take it back to my seat to use as a much more effective weapon if I was that way inclined. The irony

I digress. The Bundesliga is not and never has been the standard of the English league.

But they and German football do produce better players and coaches on a more consistent basis. Especially in recent decades and in my lifetime.

That’s how I see them anyway!

Barry #464, Schalke 04 won UEFA cup in 1996–97 Beating Inter Milan. Probably there are more trophies won by German clubs. Needs investigating lol.

No problem then,your stats imply we should be looking for a Spanish manager. Oh wait a minute haven't we just sacked one? And a Portuguese one? And didn't our Italian manager do a runner recently Leaving an awe-inspiring record?

I'm simply saying it may be worthwhile considering homegrown managers; after all, they can't leave us in a worse situation than the recent crew!

No I think we should be looking for a manager with some proven experience and a history of being able to implement his footballing philosophy regardless of his nationality.

Of all the candidates I’ve seen mooted Favre would be my preferred choice.

Right now we need someone who is aware of our situation, knows the weaknesses and strengths of not only our wasters but also the opposition.
We don't need fancy intricate tactics and formations we just need someone to pick a team who will give everything and the wherewithal to get points on the board and away from the bottom 3.

All the fancy foreign guys from Spain, Germany or wherever can wait for another day.
First things first

Jesus H Christ!!

I think Darren's original question was about the European Cup/ Champions League, I have no doubt you are correct about German teams doing well in the other European tournaments.

I would think that report is either from yesterday or a re-hashed version of yesterday's report.

If Rooney had a couple more years under his belt, based on his Derby County achievement in adversity, I believe he’d get the squad into shape and motivate the players, and make a fight of it.

It ain’t gonna happen, so the gravity of the situation, warrants some serious manager recruitment plan by the Everton board.

I hope it’s not Moshiri using his contacts just to get some one in, to fill the void for the sake of it.

But days left in the transfer market and will Everton bring any more players in?

Everton pull away from naming Vitor Pereira as next manager opening door to Wayne Rooney

Went to Swansea - they got better.

Gone to Forest, saved them and now pushing for promotion.

He is the man.

Time is short. It's not ideal, no guarantees, no sparkling first game victory, but I still feel Ferguson has to be left to it. The disruption of a new appointment and change of style is a major consideration.

Doesn't seem we're going to do much in the market so no real difference to playing staff, no "His own players" element.

I know there's a risk - is it more than bringing in a new man, for the largely basics and blood & guts task we have 'til the season's end? There is no place for complication and subtlety - we might be asking a new manager to change his own football ethos for the very unfamiliar purpose of survival in a new league.

As has often been asked before - could Guardiola do anything with these players? Yes, eventually with enough time and more money. Would he be guaranteed to keep us up in these few months? I'm not so sure.

We saw that Benitez was failing. That's as close as we could get to "Knowing" (Guessing) it would end in relegation. We can't know Ferguson would fail any more than we know a new guy would succeed.

The supporters will be as patient as any other club with a manager they like - you only have to see how we were with Ancelotti who played rubbish football 90% of the time.

I don’t know much about managers out there. Is there a good one in Championship? Out of all the names banded about, Lampard interests me but we will wait and see.

Vitor Pereira 15/8
Lampard 5/2
Duncan Ferguson 9/1
Nico Kovac 9/1
Rudi Garcia 11/1

Claudio Ranieri 33/1
(It would not surprise me in the slightest if the Moshiri is eyeing him up. He might even have a sneaky bet at those odds to offset the compensation.)

I know it's only January, but I'm getting those sick Wimbledon / Coventry feelings already.

The medics will have a syndrome named after us soon.

What does the H in Jesus H Christ sfand for?

Any cheapshots will be well received, have at it.

Our Father who art in Heaven
Howard Be Thy Name

In Pep I see passion and a desire to win. Nothing fancy, just someone who knows and understands football. Had no connection with his current club or the English League prior to joining them.

In Klopp I see passion and an implementation of a pretty ruthless form of football that bypasses midfield and is is effective in winning games. Had no connection to his current club or the English League until joining his current club.

In Tuchel I see a European Champion who applies intelligence and a thoughtful approach to the game. Had no connection to his current club or the English League until joining them.

Foreign fancy Dans?

Let's get Mike Bassett in. That will sort it.

Flippant of me, so I apologise. To reiterate, it doesn't matter where the manager comes from. It just needs to be the right choice.

If you want an English born dyed in the wool Liverpool born Evertonian, appoint me to compliment our apparent dyed in the wool Evertonian Chairman.

Forget nostalgia; leave that to me.

I just saw Danny listed on Paddy Power at 11/2.

The dogs would certainly incentivise. I would just need to hold them on the leads. They like to hunt.

Their poor Evertonian souls will be out with me in several hours listening to my rantings. They are Evertonians.

Brentford to look forward to. That's what the boy tells me!

It's yet another unpopular and divisive appointment and one fraught with the most risk of all the candidates in my opinion if Vitor Periera comes in.

You are giving this fella who has never had any kind of experience in this cutthroat league, a massive task of turning the fortunes south to north of a dying club on its knees caked in toxicity.

If this goes belly up then I hope Moshiri has got a "get me out of here quick" plan because the shit really will hit the fan this time.

If not then why the hell does he seem to be running everything we do these days?

We really have got our kecks down as a club now haven't we?

If I was a betting man taking a look from the outside in, I'd put a wager on us being relegated with Watford and Burnley.

I sometimes wonder if Moshiri would be better off taking advice from some of my fellow ToffeeWebbers.

I wanted Lampard when Ancelotte walked out. He did a fair job at Chelsea in difficult circumstances and he would be a good fit now IMO.

Pereira may turn out to be a good choice, but is too much of a risk in our present situation.

I still don't see the love for Lampard! What did he do that merits this enthusiasm?! He took a talented Derby slightly higher up the Championship and his time at Chelsea was very unremarkable compared to what his successor managed with the same squad. Chelsea, despite having some great defenders, shipped goals freely under Lampard! What is the attraction other than his reputation as a player (which we've seen countless times means very little).

He's been magnificent since Tuchel arrived.

The football might be pretty but Lampard can't organise a defence.

And of course we could get to sing... "Cheer up, Peter Reid!"