Everton and Ancelotti settle legal dispute

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Carlo Ancelotti's legal counsel has announced that the Italian and Everton have reached "an amicable resoution" over the money it was claimed the club still owed him based on his contract.

John Mehrzad KC has issued a statement saying that Carlo Ancelotti and Everton Football Club have reached an amicable resolution to their dispute. "Carlo has enduring respect and a deep affection for the Club’s fans and wishes them and the Club the very best for the future."

It was revealed earlier this month that Ancelotti was suing the club in London's High Court for what court documents said were "general commercial contracts and arrangements", believed to be unpaid bonus payments from his time as manager between December 2019 and June 2021.

Ancelotti left the Blues less than 2 years into a 4½-year contract to return to Real Madrid, having steered the club to safety from relegation in 2019 after succeeding Marco Silva as boss.

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His first full season promised much with Everton sitting atop the Premier League for the whole month of October 2020 but ended in a disappointing 10th-place finish and the former Chelsea and Bayern Munich coach did not stay for the rebuild that was then required.


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Joe McMahon
1 Posted 27/06/2023 at 17:45:08
Good, now piss off. Happy to take obscene salary and leave us in the lurch.
Minik Hansen
2 Posted 27/06/2023 at 17:46:04
If he stayed here back then, the P&S situation the club is in would've hindered the progress anyways.

I dunno what it would've done to his motivation to stay over the seasons, but I believe he would've done better than the managers appointed after him.

Ed Prytherch
3 Posted 27/06/2023 at 17:58:29
He is not the first Everton former manager to sue the club for money that was owed to him.
Michael Fox
4 Posted 27/06/2023 at 17:59:30
Calling him and them 'managers' is a bit of a stretch.

Managers manage – these clowns couldn't manage a good shite.

Dennis Stevens
5 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:00:47
If only we could have got him a few seasons earlier than we did.
Billy Shears
6 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:05:24
Another greedy useless prick. Now fuck off with your ill-gotten gains!
Mark Ryan
7 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:09:10
Right man, wrong time… right prick.
Oliver Molloy
8 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:13:14
I think it is an open secret he left because he was given assurances by Moshiri & Usmanov over funds for players and then was told the truth about P&S Rules.

Realising the club was in such a fucking mess when Real Madrid came calling, off he went and – if we are all honest – who could blame him?

It is going to take a long time for Everton to correct everything that has gone on these last 5 or 6 years. You couldn't make it up, we get a billionaire and, even then, we fuck that up!!!

Paul Washington
9 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:26:24
Olivier #8,

I'm sure I read at the time his 'people' on his instructions contacted Real Madrid and he went for less money.

Paul Hewitt
10 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:28:44
Joe @1.

He left to manage Real Madrid.

Who wouldn't?

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
11 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:31:52
Has he got any fringe players we can loan?
Jay Harris
12 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:39:11
Great manager… rotten club to the core.

He could have been our game-changer if he was backed properly.

Barry Rathbone
13 Posted 27/06/2023 at 18:45:37
It was the maddest of appointments in the first place, his forte is handling elite players. It was like expecting the conductor of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra to transform the school band with a few waves of his baton.

I like him because he's all about business and beats Liverpool, but he must have laughed his socks off negotiating with Moshiri and Usmanov.

Kevin Molloy
14 Posted 27/06/2023 at 19:19:15
Quite sobering that this shameless skank has such a wonderful reputation as a lovely chap.

It's probably a safe bet to disbelieve just about everything at the moment.

Brendan McLaughlin
15 Posted 27/06/2023 at 19:43:36
Still can't believe Moshiri allowed a clause in his contract that, if Real Madrid came calling... he could walk.

Benitez may have called us a "small club" — Ancelotti & Moshiri made it legal and official.

Gavin Johnson
16 Posted 27/06/2023 at 19:43:56
I read that it was to do with promised performance bonuses. If that's true, how can finishing 10th entitle him to even more money??

I know we at the top of the Premier League and in the top 4 for a big chunk of the season but the tail-off was a failure.

Peter Fearon
17 Posted 27/06/2023 at 19:50:12
As much as I loved Carlo, he and Real Madrid should be paying us a massive sum in compensation for the chaos and disruption his sudden departure had on the club, on the playing staff, and on future plans.

In many ways, we were naive. He knew he was going to Real Madrid the moment he left Napoli. He just needed a gullible and needy club flush with cash to park his behind in while Zidane outstayed his welcome in Madrid.

Still, he showed what the right coach can do in a comparatively short time. I fear Sean Dyche will be long gone before we are producing the kind of football Carlo had us playing.

Jack Convery
18 Posted 27/06/2023 at 19:50:49
Maybe he was entitled to a percentage of the money you get for finishing 10th.

Whatever the truth of the matter, we must have owed him something; otherwise, the club wouldn't have settled the case.

Anyone who manages a team that stops Liverpool winning a Champions League trophy is alright with me. He also gave us the first league win at Anfield this century.

So he's not all bad.

Dale Self
19 Posted 27/06/2023 at 19:53:48
Pull yourselves together man, he’s gone.
Tony Everan
20 Posted 27/06/2023 at 19:57:44
Benitez called us a ‘small club' and got tarred and feathered in perpetuity. Ancelotti called us a small car (Fiat 500) and was still nice old cuddly Carlo.

Carlo was lied to by our board and owner, sold a project which, by that time, didn't exist. The burglary was just the final nail in the coffin. He'd have gone anyway.

Tony Abrahams
21 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:00:51
Carlo had us playing good football for about six weeks, and I remember Dyche's Burnley, coming to Goodison, and absolutely outplaying Carlo's Everton with football that was as good as anything I witnessed under our Italian manager.

It maybe sounds a little bit contentious, but I'm hoping Dyche can bring a lot more pragmatism to his team. Ancelotti got a lot of good results by getting us playing with a lot of pragmatism, although I thought a lot of the football we played under him was pretty awful on the eye.

Joe McMahon
22 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:05:32

He did but Burnley, Fulham and Brighton also won there that season, and do I think no home fans also helped us.

Yes, it was still 3 points but we also had some awful home results that season, with Sigurdsson and Richarlison and a better squad than we have now. Yes, he's won it all, but with some fantastic players.

Yes, he has stopped Liverpool winning the Champions League… but he also gave us the 2006 Istanbul nightmare.

Tony Everan
23 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:10:47
Tony A, it's what I'm craving too.

I read a snippet of a comment about us wanting to sign Gnonto. The source said Dyche wants to build a team based on power, pace and aggression. Which is what I want to hear.

Couple this with Dyche's pragmatism and honest hard work approach to training, then I can see we will be getting somewhere as a club again.

What I'm trying to say is I want the foundations for sustainable, consistent performances and incremental improvement. I haven't felt that these fundamentals have been prevalent for a long time. I am confident Sean Dyche will deliver it given time.

Dale Self
24 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:18:00
Good stuff, Tonys!
Paul Kossoff
25 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:25:19
You would think that Everton would have told Ancelotti that walking out on your contract means we owe you nothing.

Money to money, the more the wealthy have, the more they want, pure fucking greed.

Thanks, Carlo.

Michael Kenrick
26 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:34:50
Remarkable how people can reach such vindictive assessments without knowing diddly squat regarding what this dispute was about – let alone the nature of the settlement agreed.

But hey, it's the internet age. Joe Blow knows more about everything and he's always right.

Danny O’Neill
27 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:36:44
I don't know the ins and outs of the contract. I never will.

He was a hope and started well before realising very quickly that he didn't have the star studded players he was used to.

That changed the style. Still, he almost got us into Europe; within one game.

Dyche has surprised me. Despite the stereotypical perception of him, we've played some neat stuff under him so far.

McNeil is transformed and only 23. Tarkowski an absolute rock.

Doucoure flourishing in a more forward position.

It's a shame it came to this with Carlo, but we don't really know the ins and outs of contractual stuff.

Shane Corcoran
28 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:47:46
Well said, Michael.
Trevor Powell
29 Posted 27/06/2023 at 20:54:00
Oliver Molloy @ 8. Please do not include the supporters in your comment, "You couldn't make it up, we get a billionaire and, even then, we fuck that up!!!"

None of us make any decisions on the running of the club and neither do most of the Staff.

Moshiri and his so-called friends have done this!

Jamie Crowley
30 Posted 27/06/2023 at 21:20:25
Michael at 26 -

Thank God you said that.

Here's a scenario for you!

Carlo was rightly owed money. Everton weren't living up to their terms of the contract that was signed. Carlo sued to get what was rightfully, legally, and ethically his, and then the two parties, because they both have fondness for one another, came to an agreement.

You may not like the way he left when his mistress Real came-a-callin', but Jesus above the ridiculous reaction is a bit OTT???

And likening Carlo to the Fat Spanish Waiter? WHAT THE FUCK MAN?


Tar and feather! Kill him! Draw and Quarter! He beat Liverpool! He almost made the Champions League with a shitty Everton squad! Death to Carlo!

Save your anger for the FSW - that gross red who about killed this fucking club, while previously belittling it, deserves all the caustic shit you can throw at him!

Ian Edwards
31 Posted 27/06/2023 at 22:29:13
He loses to Liverpool's Youth team and to a terrible Sheff Utd at home amongst about 6 successive home defeats, bores the arse off everyone with his dreary dave on prozac tactics, then walks out, sues the club and now has the gall to say he respects the Club and fans. Jog on you superannuated dinosaur.
Paul Birmingham
32 Posted 27/06/2023 at 22:31:59
Business is business, and no one knows the facts, and unlikely we will ever find out.

The pressing matter of adding reinforcements this preseason to the Everton squad, and setting a direction for the club is priority.

The interim board and chairman, it remains to be seen, how long is interim?

The clock is running, and nothing is changing. Hopefully a momentum change for the better, will arrive soon.


Mike Gaynes
33 Posted 27/06/2023 at 22:52:02
Danny #27, Jamie #30 and both Tonys... AMEN.
Dave Abrahams
34 Posted 27/06/2023 at 22:58:51
Michael (26),Yes you are quite correct none of us know about the ins and outs of the contract situation.

Now about this statement” Carlo has an enduring affection and deep respect for the Clubs fans and wishes them well and the club the very best for the future”

Take your phoney gestures with you Carlo, enduring affection and deep respect my arse!!

Steve Brown
35 Posted 28/06/2023 at 00:57:04
At least this allowed Simon Goodley in the Guardian to report the settlement and write his Usmanov story for the fifteenth time.
Kieran Kinsella
36 Posted 28/06/2023 at 01:24:11
Steve Brown

I was waiting for The Guardian, lol.

Bill Watson
37 Posted 28/06/2023 at 01:59:49
I know we don't know all the facts but I do find it a bit odd that someone can walk out of a job and then threaten legal action over alleged unpaid bonuses!
Jerome Shields
38 Posted 28/06/2023 at 03:26:00
Ancelotti had to threaten legal action to get monies due. He was by far the best manager Everton have had seen Kendall. Unfotunately the club management were not up to the standard required to progress.
Steve Brown
39 Posted 28/06/2023 at 05:47:00
That bloke is stealing a living, Kieran!
Bob Parrington
40 Posted 28/06/2023 at 06:07:25
13 June, 2023 I posted;

"Shouldn't we be sympathetic? He didn't win the Champions League this year and so missed out on a few mil bonus. Can't feed his family, poor soul!

Hey missus A, I got an idea. Everton is in the shit. I'll sue them for a few mil. While they're so busy defending FFP and reorganising the board, they'll likely settle out of court."

I rest my case! (chuckle).

Danny O’Neill
41 Posted 28/06/2023 at 06:13:36
Ian@31, thought I'd have a look into that one, as I've always thought that youth team jibe to be a bit of an urban myth.

Amongst the starting line-up for that fixture (estimates based on current ages 2 years on depending on actually birthdays):

The keeper was 34. Williams 20. The centre-back, Phillips 24. Milner, say no more. Lallana 33. Chirivella 24. Minamino 26. Origi 26.

Curtis Jones, the goal scorer was 18. Elliott 18.

So with only two teenagers starting, hardly a "youth" team. Maybe a second string, but not a youth team no matter how far we stretch the imagination.

Missed opportunity, but we played them at a time when they were approaching Klopp's peak and the system he implemented throughout the club, so they could seamlessly step up.

It's the cup. I've witnessed us lose to the likes of Grimsby, Shrewsbury, Oldham and Tranmere. Choke against Wigan and Liverpool (proper) in a semi-final.

It's football. Anything can happen.

Ian Edwards
42 Posted 28/06/2023 at 06:42:31
Danny 41.

It was 3½ years ago (January 2020). It was a very inexperienced team apart from Lallana and Milner. The defeat was a total embarrassment and imo our worst ever Cup defeat on paper.

Ian Hollingworth
43 Posted 28/06/2023 at 06:45:52
Blame Carlo all you want but the real villains in this are probably the people running the club who had not honoured on a deal.

We don't know the facts but they have settled out of court so he must’ve had some sort of a case.

I don't think we will see a 10th-place finish for a season or two either.

Christine Foster
44 Posted 28/06/2023 at 07:14:33
Really have to bite my tongue with some of the comments on this thread. Bottom line is, if it’s in the contract, that’s what he is entitled to. End of story.

Regardling the guy himself, my take is that he was promised funds to get more than he could, then never got them, with the mixed bag he had, he knocked them into some shape with just the addition of a few players, got them to the top end of the table and almost into Europe.

Then he had to change playing style because of injuries and our players’ ability. Then came the break-in and the realisation… Calling Real Madrid to get himself out of there, bet the family wasn't too happy after the break-in.

But to call him crap or a dinosaur, he is amongst the best in the world, still. He is used to having quality players. We didn't have enough, and no way we could afford them as a result of pure bad management.

On leaving, sadly not surprising, he raised the club worldwide, put the name of Everton up front in news and profile, names in lights… press were talking about us, players were, we lit up the sky in South America.

Yes, sure he was crap, wasn't he? Bad for the club wasn't he? Context… look what happened after he went. I would have him any day of the week if we could do it again.

Colin Glassar
45 Posted 28/06/2023 at 07:41:47
Great man. Great manager. Well done, Carlo.
Dean Williams
46 Posted 28/06/2023 at 07:45:12
Simply a cunt.
Danny O’Neill
47 Posted 28/06/2023 at 07:49:24
Okay, fair call out, Ian. Take a year off some of those ages then.

Still not exactly a youth team. Second string with their captain present.

I'd give you Grimsby and Shrewsbury over that. Tranmere was humiliating and Wigan. We had a path to Wembley, playing a team that was eventually relegated and we absolutely bottled it at Goodison.

Tony Abrahams
48 Posted 28/06/2023 at 07:53:14
Whilst not disagreeing with anything you have said, Christine, but if Bill Kenwright left Everton tomorrow and we got relegated next season, some people would say that it wasn't his fault and argue that he must have been good for our club!
Eddie Dunn
49 Posted 28/06/2023 at 08:04:20
Hear, hear, the two Tonys.

Contracts should be honoured and none of us know the details.

As for him bailing out for Madrid, if he'd had a sniff of the dysfunctional mess upstairs, he would have gone to Scunthorpe.

Colin Metcalfe
50 Posted 28/06/2023 at 08:17:14
I think, considering the circumstances in which he departed leaving Everton right out the blue, it's a pretty poor show by Ancelotti to come back for loss of earnings – whether it be in his contract or not.
Danny O’Neill
51 Posted 28/06/2023 at 08:38:00
I get what you're saying, Colin, and we all would agree with our Everton hats on.

Sadly, as Christine alludes to, it's business and honouring of contracts.

We've had to pay off countless managers as I suspect it was written in their contracts they would get a dismissal severance package.

Still only Wednesday, still no news about our Chairman. Without wanting to raise temperatures, he will no doubt have one negotiated or under negotiation. He will get a payoff, no doubt.

Christopher Timmins
52 Posted 28/06/2023 at 08:45:16
There was a contract in place, it was either breached or it wasn't.

Carlo felt that it was and therefore we had a court case. The matter has been settled. Move on!

Jonathan Tasker
53 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:02:57
Everton didn't pay him what we owed him. He threatened to sue us.

The club was advised it made sense to settle rather than end up being made to look even more stupid in court

Perfectly normal for Kenwright-era Everton.

Kevin Molloy
54 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:06:13
Hear, hear, Dave.

He was on an outrageous double-bubble contract, and took us to two lower mid-table finishes.

He maxed out the credit card on short term buys and left the place a smouldering ruin after 18 months and £20 million in his sky rocket.

Nothing became him like his final tribute as he was settling behind his desk at Real Madrid whilst we all thought he was out scouting for players:

'I enjoyed my time at Everton but...'

Pat Kelly
55 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:29:28
You lie down with dogs…
Sam Hoare
56 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:38:51
Profile over pragmatism.

Ancelotti is the embodiment of the Moshiri era. Short-term thinking. Imbalanced recruitment. No long term plan or identity. Drastic overpaying.

We can only hope that lessons have been learned.

John Pickles
57 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:51:18
Over the last 4 to 5 decades, when I've been to a match, I've always wondered something. It's when one of our better players, one who gives his all, is consistently decent, plays an errant pass or puts a shot well wide.

All of a sudden, someone in the stands near me, loudly gives him dog's abuse for his mistake. I've always wondered what person would feel the need to do that?

There's about a dozen candidates on this thread already!

Brian Harrison
58 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:56:13
I have to disagree with the many posters having a go at Ancelotti, most quite rightly have criticised our Chairman and major shareholders as liars. So why do they presume that these charlatans were in the right and Carlo was in the wrong?

Also, I would remind everyone that Carlo Ancelotti has the 3rd best win ratio of any Everton manager ever. Not bad for someone who can only manage elite players.

I genuinely believe that when he asked Moshiri what was his budget for the summer transfer window, and was told there is nothing, he probably realised he could no longer trust Usmanov or Moshiri and walked away.

I genuinely believe he had real affection for our club and our supporters and spoke about how he enjoyed his bike rides round Crosby. A manager who actually lived in the City – I can't remember any other Everton manager living in the City.

Also, his house being burgled with his daughter inside would have had an impact on him.

Christine Foster
59 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:56:40
Dean Williams. Out of order. Totally.
Paul Hewitt
60 Posted 28/06/2023 at 09:58:37
Interesting to see some on here would simply walk away from millions of pounds owed to them.
Dave Abrahams
61 Posted 28/06/2023 at 10:06:36
Carlo is getting no blame for the way he performed at Everton, he did his best with the players he had?

Then Benitez came in to clean up the mess, no more signings, except for buttons, and he gets dogs abuse off the majority of fans while attempting to do the club's bidding while being let down by the players who stopped playing for him.

Dyche has come in to manage the club with an even worse squad than Benitez and Lampard had, that became even poorer with injuries and a suspension but, after miraculously saving them from relegation, some fans think he needs replacing.

Carlo never had a magic wand, he said, neither did Dyche but performed what he was asked to do with a weaker and smaller squad than Ancelotti. It would have been interesting to see what the Italian would have done with last season's squad if he taken over on the last breath of the transfer window.

Mark Taylor
62 Posted 28/06/2023 at 10:18:13
Michael @26,

While what you say is undoubtedly true, the reality is that this is a fans' forum for people to opine and debate and given enterprises, including football clubs and especially ours, tend to be less than transparent these days about what is actually happening, then if we can't speculate in this vacuum, we might as well close ToffeeWeb down.

Brian Harrison
63 Posted 28/06/2023 at 10:36:39
Dave 61

Regarding whether Ancelotti could have got the same results as Dyche with the squad he had, is unknown. But this is the side under Ancelotti that went to Anfield in 2021 and won 2-0.
Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Godfrey, Holgate, Digne, Doucoure, Gomes, Davies, Richarlison and James.

Most fans don't rate Keane, Godfrey, Holgate, Davies and Gomes yet Carlo takes this team to Anfield scores 2 goals and unbelievably don't concede. So maybe Carlo didn't have have a better squad than Dyche.

Brian Williams
64 Posted 28/06/2023 at 10:38:17
I try not to get involved in "these" type of threads on the site because they're mainly pointless but this one more than many I've read shows just how much people who know nothing of the circumstances, characters, contracts and conditions and lots more words beginning with "c" but not the one at post 46, believe they do know and build their contributions to the site around that concrete knowledge.
I can't get worked up when I haven't a clue as to any of the actual facts.

The only thing that "appears" to be indisputable is that Everton owed Ancelotti money, which they failed to pay. Ancelotti decided on taking the legal route and the club then settles with him out of court.

That would "tend" to lean towards the club knowing they were onto plums and in the wrong BUT there've been many cases where an innocent party settles out of court in order to not besmirch their good name.


Rob Dolby
65 Posted 28/06/2023 at 10:46:13
Brian 64, Spot on.

Ancelotti will have managers, agents and no doubt a legal team that all take their cut of any deal for their client.

I can't see Ancelotti worrying that we haven't paid him x amount. It will be his legal team and manager that look after the small print.

Haters got to hate – it's in their nature.

Barry Hesketh
66 Posted 28/06/2023 at 10:50:53
Perhaps, the owner and the board were being as petty as some on here, make the Italian wait for his owed money, who does he think he is?

Some Blues, including those in power, seem to believe that everybody else is wrong and they're right regardless of the facts of the matter. This world view has got to change, because this pettiness and poison is damaging the club, and it certainly doesn't reflect the club that I knew when I was growing up.

Dave Abrahams
67 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:19:10
Brian (63),

You pick one game out of Ancelotti's time at Everton, a game we won 2-0. If you check up, Brian, I think you will find that Liverpool failed to win at Anfield in that period about six games on the trot as well as the Everton game.

I'll pick one game out of Dyche's run last season with, on paper, a much poorer team than the one who played at Anfield, Everton's 5-1 win at Brighton not forgetting Brighton were one of the surprising teams of last season, I'd rate that a better win against a team in form than Everton winning at Anfield against a team in poor form.

Brian, I think the Liverpool win stood out because we hadn't won there for 20 years and it was a derby game and I was very happy with that win but not as happy with the vital, very vital win at Brighton.

The Italian has been a great manager over many years at different clubs, I don't think he was much cop at Everton. Was his son part of the problem? He did a lot of the work according to reports of what went on at Finch Farm, maybe while Carlo was riding his bike around Crosby!!

Jack Convery
68 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:21:47
Can I suggest we concentrate on the elephant in the room - Kenwright. He's still here. That's what we should be talking about not a sideshow that Kenwright & Moshiri almost certainly caused.

Enough Is Enough, Kenwright Out.

Oliver Molloy
69 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:24:57
Trevor @ 29,

I think you know what I meant, but also disagree – supporters at any club can change things.

Steve Brown
70 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:25:34
Benitez didn't clear up the mess, he created it.

Director of Football, Director of Medical Services, Head of Recruitment and development, and Manager of Scouting and Operations all leave within 4 months of working with him, during which time team performances and motivation collapse. We are still recovering from his disaster show today.

If Benitez had been recruited by Liverpool as “Agent Rafa' to destroy us, he would have been regarded as a masterful hire.

Steve Brown
71 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:28:45
Imagine calling Ancelotti a dinosaur! It’s like calling our own fans ‘feral dogs’.
Dave Abrahams
72 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:38:48
Steve (70),

Ancelotti added to the mess created by Kenwright over many, many years and carried on after the real mess was cleared by Moshiri, who allowed the real culprit to carry on running the club.

As for Ancelotti being a dinosaur, I think that's wrong; dinosaurs roared and fought, the Italian just gave a shrug of his shoulders while he sipped his coffee on the sidelines.

Brian Harrison
73 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:44:26

I am a fan of what Sean Dyche has done since he has been here, and he is the only thing that makes me feel positive at the moment.

Yes, the Liverpool game was only 1 game but Ancelotti frequently played Holgate and Godfrey in a back 4, and as I said in my earlier post, you might disagree with his style of football but I repeat he has the 3rd Best win ratio of all our managers and compared to the 2 men ahead of him on that list he didn't have the war chest they were both given.

He only signed 2 players, James and Allan. I don't know who signed Godfrey and Doucouré in that close season as, when he met both, he said he didn't know much about them.

The trophies he has won before and after he left says what a great manager he was and now gets the Brazil job. I think of all the managers in the World only Guardiola and Mourhino get close to him.

And to hear Evertonians slag him off is a real head-shaker for me, and to think that some who slagged him off thought Lampard was a decent manager.

Dave Williams
74 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:51:30
Very sensible for the club to settle now than risk all manner of references being made in court to a certain Russian and his “influence” on our owner.
Barry Rathbone
75 Posted 28/06/2023 at 11:57:25
If ever a thread showed the futility of football clubs listening to fans seriously it's this one.

Views as far apart as the poles of the earth.

Michael Kenrick
76 Posted 28/06/2023 at 12:20:33
Mark @62,

I would think that 'speculation' would acknowledge the doubt and uncertainty involved here.

Yet so many Evertonians (salt of the earth, don't ya know) can come on this thread, knowing nothing of the circumstances, characters, contracts and conditions as Brian @64 says, and still decide Ancelotti is a prick and a cunt and much more – because yes, freedom of speech gives them the right to do just that.

I'd expect a lot more balanced assessment and yes, reasonable speculation... but when you 'speculate' so strongly to then draw a totally unsubstantiated conclusion to justify such guttural reactions... no sorry, I find that despicable.

Dale Self
77 Posted 28/06/2023 at 12:52:37
Some people get stuck thinking things that make them feel better somehow rather than reconciling their beliefs with the observable facts. The character assassination is a bit of a giveaway so I can’t really get excited about the offence.
Dave Abrahams
78 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:03:18
Brian (73), yes you are correct he only signed two players Rodriguez and Allan, one I'm not debating about again and Allan who I liked but bought three or four years too late in my opinion and the premier league was too fast for him eventually, they both came and went very quickly like the man who bought them. Godfrey and Doucoure are still here and both played in that derby game, Doucoure played a good part in the first goal.

On Ancelotti's win rate, that is based on a very short time and, not sure about this, check the team's home losses in the last season he was here I think that might be one of the worse seasons for home losses in Everton's history, I know it wasn't very good although he had a lot of wins away, one of them one of the worst performances I had seen in a long time at Arsenal when the only effort on goal, a pass, yes a pass from Richarlison was diverted into his own goal by the Arsenal goalie.

You might agree Brian that I acknowledged the Italians great record as a manager during his career just that he wasn't much cop at Everton.

Dave Abrahams
79 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:08:18
Barry (75),

Well, to give you your due, you write interesting posts, mostly the reverse of other posters and slightly negative but you are consistent.

Barry, I don't know if you are a religious person but if you get to Heaven I don't think you will like it, you'll definitely find something wrong with it – that's for bleedin' sure!!

Mark Taylor
80 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:15:59
Michael 76

I think it is pretty much implied that when someone posts, it is merely their opinion, where clear and obvious facts are lacking (which will be most of the time with us). I'm not sure we need some pseudo legal rider to provide that clarity.

To give you an example, take Dave's post @74. That is speculation but (to fit in with your desire for clarity) it has, in my opinion, a decent probability of being true and that anyone who knows the inside story at our club has a good chance of getting settled if they sue for whatever breach they can think of. I can if you like give you the reasons for me believing this, but they won't constitute fact, just me interpreting events.

Incidentally, I think you are responsible (partly or wholly) for ToffeeWeb and it seems like a good moment to say you do a great job and it's much appreciated.

Steve Brown
81 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:25:48
Dave, you know I agree with you on Kenwright completely. I also think we are on the right track with Dyche if he gets proper support.

I don't think Ancelotti added to any mess. Benitez did though.

Steve Brown
82 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:28:57
If Everton have settled with Ancelotti, that means that we did owe him money and have now paid the amount or an agreed proportion of it.

I'd doubt any of us would do anything different if we are owed money by our former employer.

Pete Clarke
83 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:30:02
I heard that after the burglary at Carlo's house, that Carlo had mentioned to someone that his 85-inch HD Sony TV had been taken.

A few days later, Carlo walks into his office to find a 1968 12-inch, black and white portable Sanyo TV on his desk and a note that said “Love from Bill”.

Maybe he got the hump with us…
Denis Richardson
84 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:33:56
Regardless of the details, good to see it's come to an end. Not great PR being sued by a former manager.

Not the first or last time a manager or player will have a contractual dispute with a former club or employer.

Not really news… onto more unimportant stuff, like signing a striker and getting Kenwright out of the club.

Barry Rathbone
85 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:40:53
Dave 79

When I get to heaven St Peter will say "Glad to see you sorted them, boss, welcome home".

For the sanctimonious and literal who need every freakin' nuance explaining - I'm joking, I know I'm not God.

Paul Tran
86 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:44:55
Timing is often everything, in life and in football.

Ancelotti would have been brilliant as Moshiri's first manager. I'd say we'd have spent that war chest on better players who would have been better suited to his management style.

Instead, we got him when we were skint and desperate. With the tools at his disposal, we got a very expensive version of keep it tight and nick one.

Moshiri is one of the new breed of thick owner who likes a big name manager. Hence he hires Benitez, years after he was a manager of any significance. Timing again, amongst other things.

Now we have Dyche. I'd have big money on Moshiri not wanting him, even though, for me, he suits us right now more than most managers around. I'd have hired Dyche the moment Ancelotti left, but he fell into our lap later, without the need for compensation and kept us up with a squad markedly inferior to his predecessors. Timing again.

My only worry this summer is that Moshiri gets a rush of blood and bins Dyche for another big-name mutterer, who will blame a host of lacks for his own incompetence.

Dave Abrahams
87 Posted 28/06/2023 at 13:58:47
Barry (85),

”I'm joking, I know I'm not God”

Are you sure Barry?

Mark Taylor
88 Posted 28/06/2023 at 14:06:06
Paul 86

Agree with much if not all of that. But I think you can take some solace from the reality that we appear to hold little appeal for even modest players.

Take Danjuma last January. Hence a 'name' manager seems unlikely, especially as everyone knows we haven't got two brass farthings to rub together.

Justin Doone
89 Posted 28/06/2023 at 14:21:18
Let's face facts, football for a long time has been all about business. There's little to no loyalty from anyone other than fans over the long term.

Money matters, it's business. Winning trophies is the expectation of very few players and owners.

The biggest win from winning trophies is the extra revenue, growing your brand reputation second.

I do not blame anyone for wanting to earn more money or move to a club to improve the chances of winning trophies.

Unfortunately we continue to fail both on and off the pitch.

Well done, Carlo, if he's entitled to it, well done him. He's a winner!

Paul Tran
90 Posted 28/06/2023 at 15:26:47
Mark, point taken about the likes of Danjuma. I'm wondering whether we were actually in a position to buy anyone in January.

The only ways I can see us being attractive are to get cheap gems from the lower leagues here, or find younger non-Premier League players who are happy to use us as a stepping stone before we sell them at a profit.

Of course, the next issue would be keeping a good team going while we do this, but right now I'll cross that bridge when we get to it!

Danny O’Neill
91 Posted 28/06/2023 at 15:57:12
Dean Williams. Have your view. We all use the odd expletive, but keep it clean.

John @57. You always get that "you're shite Everton" supporter. They normally kick in after about 30 seconds because we haven't taken the lead after 30 seconds and you need paracetamol to make the earache go away.

Brian @64, sensible as always. I always think you are a less emotional version of me and talk more sense!!

Steve Brown, I remember the 83 winter of discontent when the natives were not happy. Although we have had some scrapes since then the scenes under Benitez at Brentford and then the final straw at Carrow Road were very toxic. As toxic as I've witnessed.

I was at both matches and actually felt for the players as they faced the music when really it was being directed at the board and the manager.

I keep saying we can't keep blaming managers. They can't all be wrong. Change has been happening, but we still need that push over the line to reset this club.

Tickets on sale for Switzerland but only to season ticket holders with a certain amount of points. I know it's a small stadium and small allocation (500), but that will be sold out in no time.

Dave Abrahams, Brighton away was special and the atmosphere electric. But I have to admit, my two picks from last season were draws. Simms nabbing that late equaliser at Stamford Bridge (Branthwaite the season before). And then that last gasp equaliser at Wolves. Words can't explain or describe the feeling when that went in. Leicester wasn't bad either.

Sheer emotional exhaustion had me sleep all the way home.

Barry Rathbone
92 Posted 28/06/2023 at 16:44:00
Dave @87,

I see where you're coming from but the idea is similar to our transfer budget – basically a rumour.

Eric Myles
93 Posted 28/06/2023 at 17:02:43
Eddie #49,

"Hear, hear, the two Tonys.
Contracts should be honoured and none of us know the details

I remember a former manager of ours getting abuse for honouring his contract.

Eric Myles
94 Posted 28/06/2023 at 17:09:06
Ian #43,

"We don't know the facts but they have settled out of court so he must've had some sort of a case."

But it could be that the Club's insurance company would have to cover the settlement plus costs if it went to court and decided it would be much cheaper to make a deal.

Been there, done that.

Steve Brown
95 Posted 28/06/2023 at 17:13:45
Danny @91, toxic is the correct word to describe all aspects of Benitez's management of the club.

He did a massive amount of damage in his 6 months in charge, all of it predictable based on his personality and control needs.

Brent Stephens
96 Posted 28/06/2023 at 17:15:16

"But it could be that the Club's insurance company would have to cover the settlement plus costs if it went to court and decided it would be much cheaper to make a deal."

Doesn't your reference to "settlement plus costs" assume Ancelotti had some sort of case?

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
97 Posted 28/06/2023 at 17:27:46
Rumours that Ancelotti wants Richarlison at Real Madrid with Benzema aged 36.

"Carlo? Bill here. Now we have settled, can I ask a favour. Can you buy Richi, loan us him for a year, and then he can come back and replace Karim in 24-25?"

Dave Abrahams
98 Posted 28/06/2023 at 17:37:24
Barry (92),

many a true word spoken in jest, can you at least confirm you haven't got wings!!

Dave Williams
99 Posted 28/06/2023 at 19:09:34

You have been absent for a while. Meet up for a game next season?

Teddy Bertin
100 Posted 28/06/2023 at 21:42:42
A lot of people on here need to open their eyes if they think he screwed us over. He took a pay cut to go to Real Madrid and won the Champions League immediately. Again proving himself a brilliant decision-maker.

He knew that Moshiri had lied to him about the backing he would get in the next transfer window. He knew we'd broken the rules.

He knew Usmanov was in danger of being sanctioned (which is where our money came from). He knew that the squad was a mess and had actually overachieved under him.

We weren't that many points away from Champions League with Carlo (9 points – all lost against teams at the bottom of the table?)

Pointless calling him out for making what has proven to be a brilliant decision. We were screwed anyway even if he stayed.

The club is rotten to the core and, if I was working there now, as a lifelong fan I would walk in protest.

Carlo walked too but he's not a lifelong fan so doesn't need to kick off and make a big scene. Just walk away from a total mess of a club that had deceived him and get back on with what he does, which is winning trophies with big teams.

By all accounts, his son loved the club and the fans and wanted to have his hat in the ring to come back.

Bill Watson
101 Posted 28/06/2023 at 23:10:20
Colin and Danny.

That Liverpool side was by no means a 'youth team'. I was at the game and we should have been out of sight by half-time, missing chance after chance.

The second half was a precursor of things to come as it showed up the lack of leaders in our side and our inability to come from behind.

Peter Hodgson
102 Posted 29/06/2023 at 11:55:20
Question 1: How much have we paid him including costs?

Question 2: What are the implications of that amount on our 'transfer' budget as far as incoming strikers are concerned?

Unless we know the answer to Q1, Kenwright can, and probably will knowing him, make up his version of the truth on the impact of the case and we will be no wiser, as usual. Smoke and mirrors once again!!

Now it looks as though MSP is happening, is it too much to expect a change in this respect? Probably, unfortunately, not.

Dave Abrahams
103 Posted 29/06/2023 at 14:11:06
Teddy (100),

How much did Everton pay Ancelotti when he left, nothing about this latest pay-off? Was it quite a large sum? Enough for him to easily take a pay cut when going to Real Madrid.

I won't argue about the second and third paragraphs because I don't truly know about those points, except to point out that I don't think we had over-achieved under him throughout the season.

Under him that season we won 59 points which was pretty good. We won a lot of those points in the first half of the season and we finished the second half of the season with the same players.

In the last 14 games of the season, we only scored more than one goal once; the last five victories of the season we won 1-0, we won three games out of the last 12 matches.

It could be said and it seems to me that Ancelotti knew how poor the squad was and the limitations of a lot of the players a long time before the end of that season and he certainly played a very tight defensive and a very poor team to watch in that second period of the season.

I think he made his mind up then that he couldn't get anywhere with this squad and the even poorer back up from the owner and chairman and decided to get away and Real Madrid was an opportunity he couldn't turn down.

He took the money, I don't know how much, but didn't honour his contract, and again I don't know what was in the contract, but it looks like the people who gave him the contract cocked up (again) if it allowed him to walk away without his contract being subject to compensation for Everton FC.

Peter Hodgson
104 Posted 29/06/2023 at 16:28:41
I'm not arguing about Carlo expecting what is rightfully his as far as payments are concerned just that is nobody knows what that was. It is likely that not knowing the details leaves the door wide open for yet another Kenwright smoke and mirrors episode regarding incomings and outgoings of our finances.

Most people are quite suspicious in this respect as far as the truthfulness of what is said from 'up top'. We usually are no wiser and never, however many questions are asked, seem to be told the full truth. It certainly seems that way anyway. I personally think we ought to be told and by doing so the Chairman would demonstrate that he intends to be open and transparent going forward. This would at least show a willingness for change and improve communications. It would be a start that would be welcomed.

Neil Carter
105 Posted 29/06/2023 at 22:00:26
Carlo must be skint?
Peter Hodgson
106 Posted 02/07/2023 at 18:54:50
If he was due it, he shouldn't have had to go to court to get it. Kenwright all over. Trying to trouser money that wasn't ours and costing us more in all probability.

Whatever your view, and I am not defending Carlo here, he was proved to be in the right or we wouldn't or shouldn't have settled in his favour.

Brendan McLaughlin
107 Posted 02/07/2023 at 23:02:41
Peter #106,

Who said we settled in his favour?

Proves nothing.

Everton could have settled because the cost of fighting this action was just too costly.

Dale Self
108 Posted 03/07/2023 at 00:22:05
Maybe not proof but most can work out the implication. Are you having a laugh as they say over there?
Greg Nelli
109 Posted 03/07/2023 at 02:11:36
No one knows the exact agreement, but it certainly seems odd.

Generally breaking a contract by mutal consent would cancel certain agreements, otherwise why wouldn't the club have held him to the contract? I would have thought some negotiation would have occurred, so we lose the manager and have to pay him.

All I'm saying is Dyche ends up leaving for PSG around Christmas I'm happy to step in after my performance on Football Manager. Managed to keep the club mid-table whilst trimming the weekly wage bill by £300k over my 3 years so far. I'll update my Football Manager diary this evening.

Dale Self
110 Posted 03/07/2023 at 15:57:21
My guess is there was enough information specified in the contract on terms of performance that Carlo felt he could show Moshiri to be out of compliance. That would be demonstrated as happening before his exit and so it would be Everton that did not comply with the terms which allows Carlo to split and still make a claim for compensation committed at the writing and signing of the contract.

If Carlo files the case with all its attendant costs then only he can withdraw the case. Presumably he did that after getting satisfaction at Moshiri’s expense. I’m not a lawyer, I never even watched LA Law so slam that if deserved.

Oh yeah, and hire that Greg to do some Zoom training sessions with the squad over the summer.

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