The Deduction Reduction and What it Means for Everton’s Season

Re: The 2 points we threw away v Brighton. Anything EPL can do we can do better!

Onwards and hopefully upwards

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It makes a mockery of any system of transparency, when Everton have no model to base their treatment on. The Premier League is dysfunctional.

The Premier League's response today also indicated that EFL rules were used as they do not have their own rules available for all criteria of the Everton case. This in mind, the EFL have rules preventing double jeopardy and they land themselves in a legal nightmare if they punish us a second time.

The second breach should therefore come to nothing and our position relative to Forest should be significantly improved.

As the next charge can't be heard until after the appeal is sorted, we could have dragged it out to the end of the season and faced the second charge once the season finished. This shambles can't have any precedence in law, just made up rules by a self-serving few.

To borrow the 'punishment' from the EFL shows how inept they are. The Premier League had no published sanctions in place so how can they decide on a punishment? Probably the rantings of an angry fan!

16th Luton 20 points
17th Everton 19 points
18th Forest 18 points

It still – as it always should – depends on winning games.

The Premier League and Masters have saved face and can theoretically, in time-honoured Pilate-esque fashion – who ever goes down –wash their hands of blame.

Arses covered, Government regulation avoided = Sorted!

Matthew @ 3. Interesting point of order there, brother.

Either the EFL rules, all of them, are valid precedent or none are – and they've already set the precedent on precedent.

Introduce a rule about PSR and then have no process in place that is transparent, so clubs and fans alike know what the punishments are for being found guilty.

End up in a situation where a team is deducted too many points and, as the original 10 points are reduced to 6 on appeal during a season, leaving that club's team and fans not knowing what the fuck is going on. Also leaving other teams and their fans in the dark.

Issuing Forest with a charge during the season along with a second charge for Everton – incidentally for much the same period and bringing double jeopardy into consideration – or will it? Who knows.

After today's decision, the Premier League now has 4 teams involved for that 18th place from just two – us and Luton. Forest and Brentford are well involved now.

Come the last game of the season and Forest have appealed whatever sanction they may get, they play Burnley not knowing if 1 point or 3 points are required. When we play Luton away, what do we do? It's a bloody farce and all the fault of an organisation not fit for purpose.

When will Man City and Chelsea be dealt with?

We all need to lobby Parliament, along with the fans of the other "small teams", and get the government regulator involved asap.

That's admittedly one old corny joke but Masters and crew reach new depths when it comes to corny jokes.

We fans are facing the total melt-down of our club's very existence due to the shenanigans, to put it mildly, of Moshiri, his chosen one (and his chosen ones – leeches every one of them), Masters, 777 Partners (opaque as they are on an otherwise perfectly clear day), any other nefarious take-over shark, and the best outcome, to some of us (and I'm not dissing them because they may be sadly right) is that we rely on clutching at the straw of Government oversight of the Premier League to ensure we don't drown.

Just what's "football" got to do with the focus of any of the above personnel?

If we can't finish fourth bottom in this league even with 12 points deducted, we deserve relegation. There's no excuse.

I was in a shop when I thought I heard the outcome on the radio. Called into my mate's shop and he confirmed it.

Then, as supporters do, we reflected on the icing that could and should have been on the cake. Wins against Palace and Brighton then West Ham and a win that would have put safety in our grasp.

Unfortunately that is not our way.

1. Main thing is (for the time being) we've moved up the table and have a much better chance of staying up (and I fancied our chances anyway).

2. So much conjecture, but even if we get another deduction layered on, then Forest should get a heftier penalty at the same time. They will be really worried and rightly so. It's not like a few things came home to roost for them (as it did us) – they actively went out on a hugely reckless spending spree to gain an obvious sporting advantage (and then delayed the sale of Brennan Johnson to get a better purchase price).

3. Because of the timing, I wouldn't be surprised if we and Forest each get a suspended penalty – for which we are let off with good behaviour. That makes sense because otherwise the season finishes and no-one knows where they stand. And it also makes sense because the rules will almost certainly be eased over the summer anyway (otherwise the whole thing becomes a farce where half the teams get a points deduction and / or no-one can risk buying players).

4. I am glad you repeated just how disproportionate this has been against Everton. We shouldn't forget that. Absolutely outrageous punishment – and personally (despite being of sound mind, honest), I do smell something along the lines of a conspiracy (or maybe a "ganging up"). A 6-point deduction is still outrageous and disproportionate, even if I am seeing the positives of it being less than a 10-point deduction.

5. Since the rules are changing and it looks like (from other threads) the financials have been moving in the right direction anyway (sales of Gordon and Richarlison etc), hopefully we don't need to sell both of Onana and Branthwaite in summer. If we just sell Onana and can reinvest the proceeds a bit, that will be excellent.

6. Some of the players (Garner?) have mentioned it is all preying on their minds a bit. Hopefully getting 4 points back and seeing us positioned higher up the table again has a positive effect on morale in a small, tiring squad who got no reinforcements in January.

7. Dyche-bashers will still have plenty to complain about because, with only 4 points back, Dyche will no doubt remain in safety-first mode till the end of the season. Dobbin will not be given the opportunity to demonstrate that (after his 3 goals in 43 games for third tier Derby last season) he's really the new Kanchelskis, and Calvert-Lewin will continue to plough an isolated furrow up front on his own (instead of Michael Keane banging them in like a modern-day Paul Warhurst).

As you say, so much been written by so many - from what I read, I do think Everton will receive another points deduction as this is our second breach and we may even have a third breach!

I don't understand how you think Forest will end up worse off than us, this is their first offence. In saying that, our first breach got us 6 points taken away, so the bar has been set maybe?

Can anyone explain why the murderers got off with this based on mitigating circumstances of the Mordor rebuild? And we weren't allowed to expense stadium build expenses.

I remembered this today – makes no sense. Unless you made a deal with the devil.