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Idrissa Gueye is fit again after turning out at the end of Senegal's friendly last Monday

Premier League football returns this weekend, Storm Babet permitting, with Everton travelling the short distance across Stanley Park to their old ground for the Anfield derby.

As of Friday evening, the game is still going ahead as scheduled, with the North West only under an Amber weather warning with "persistent heavy rain" and the "likelihood of some flooding" expected overnight.  

The Blues will once again be close to full strength, with Idrissa Gueye available again after being forced out of the win over Bournemouth with a foot injury sustained in the warm-up.

The midfielder came on a 78th-minute substitute for Senegal in their 1-0 friendly win over Cameroon in Lens on Monday and should be fit for selection by Sean Dyche should he opt to include him in the starting XI.

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The manager faces a selection dilemma in that area of the pitch these days when all four of Gueye, James Garner, Amadou Onana, Jack Harrison and Abdoulaye Doucouré are all fit. Prior to Harrison overcoming the hip injury that prevented him from making his debut for the Blues until the Carabao Cup win at Aston Villa last month, Garner was the easy choice in right midfield but it's much more of a selection headache these days.

Dyche was, of course, giving nothing away in his press conference today but he once again praised Garner for his versatility and application so far this season.

“I really happy for Jimmy and his progress," Dyche said.

“When I got here he’d been injured. I knew of him from the season before at Forest. I went there quite a bit that season while I was having a rest and he was performing there. His adaptability for a young player is very pleasing. I’ve always seen him mainly in a central role but I do like the flexibility of him.

“He’s a player that can use that wisely and he does. He’s been very open to use it for us and has worked very hard in the positions and he’s growing into what he is. That’s a very good footballer in my opinion.”

Dyche referenced the five-man defensive system he employed at Villa in the Cup and that is another option open to him as he plots a way to hurt Liverpool. That evening Nathan Patterson was deployed at right wing-back but that could be a job for Harrison if the gaffer decides to go with that same formation on Saturday.

The almost clean bill of health – Seamus Coleman had his first session back with the first team this week and will need time to get closer to match fitness while Dele Alli and André Gomes remain some way away from being ready – means that Dominic Calvert-Lewin is fit to play a part in his first Merseyside derby since Everton's last win at Anfield more than 2½ years ago.  

Dyche is under no illusions about the size of the task facing Everton in the lunchtime kick-off, not only because of their poor record on Liverpool's turf so far this century but also because Jürgen Klopp's men have been in rich goalscoring form this term.

With five wins and just one defeat so far, they are in the thick of the early running for the title this season. They can be susceptible defensively at times, however, as was shown by Brighton last time out and will be without first-choice left-back Andrew Robertson who is ruled out through injury and Diogo Jota who is suspended. That is something the Toffees' boss will look to exploit, particularly in transition and at set-pieces.

“It’s been a long time with not many wins," Dyche admitted. "But it’s a tough place to go and I don’t think we’ll be listening to the noise around it, we’re trying not to anyway. But there is a lot of noise, rightly so.

“It’s a big game but it’s more about our focus to get through that and concentrate on our performance because, generally, I think they’ve been strong. We are taking on a top side.”

Kick-off: 12:30pm, Saturday 21 October 2023
Referee: Craig Pawson
VAR: David Coote
Last Time: Liverpool 2 - 0 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Young, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gueye, Garner, Harrison, McNeil, Doucouré, Calvert-Lewin


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Dave Abrahams
1 Posted 19/10/2023 at 09:26:11
Any chance of getting the derby game early on Saturday in focus? Let's get football itself back on the menu.

I'll start, controversially obviously, Gana has got to start along with Garner and Doucouré, and Calvert-Lewin upfront.

Mark Murphy
2 Posted 19/10/2023 at 09:45:33
I was beginning to wonder if we had a game this weekend but didn't know where to post similar to you.

And that's not controversial at all – I'm also not impressed with Onana and agree with Gana in instead. McNeil and Harrison must also play.

Dean Williams
3 Posted 19/10/2023 at 10:23:57
Obviously Dyche will do the opposite of everything we think…


Ajay Gopal
4 Posted 19/10/2023 at 10:38:01
Unchanged lineup from last week, please. Except maybe Patterson in for Young. My preferred starting XI:

McNeil Doucouré Harrison
Onana Garner
Mykolenko Branthwaite Tarkowski Patterson

Gana coming off the bench will offer increased energy levels during the latter stages of the game.

Subs: Virginia, Keane, Godfrey, Young, Gana, Danjuma, Beto, Dobbin, Chermiti

Tony Everan
5 Posted 19/10/2023 at 10:55:46
Ajay, I would go with that team too. It will be a big test for the young players but they are progressing well this season. Games like tomorrow will be invaluable experience for them and I think they'll be able to handle it.

The biggest test tomorrow will be for our full-backs, Harrison and McNeil will have to be alert to their defensive duties, both are pretty good at it too.

I'm more confident in our team than I have been for a few seasons, there's balance, tenacity and goals are starting to come. We have a system that works with the Doucouré playing advanced.

We must start fully switched on and sharp, fight for a foothold in the opening stages. Then, I'm confident we will put up a good show and get something out of the game. Ref and VAR permitting.


Mark Murphy
6 Posted 19/10/2023 at 10:57:27
As I said, I'm not a big fan of the Onana who currently plays for Everton… but, if he wants to catch the eye of a “bigger” club, a good performance against ex-Champions League club Liverpool won't do him any harm.


Mark Taylor
7 Posted 19/10/2023 at 11:06:23
It's sad that it has come to this, but I think we are best seeing this game as a 'free hit'. Let's face it, they are a much better team, with better players and playing at home. Expectations should be set accordingly.

Fortunately, the Bournemouth win takes a lot of the immediate pressure off. We can more afford to lose this. Had we lost the last game, the pressure for at least a point would have been intense.

So Dyche should get that across to his team. Play with freedom and remember, they can be flakiest when expectations on them are highest. At the minimum, let's give them a fright...

Paul Hewitt
8 Posted 19/10/2023 at 11:36:49
I've a feeling Dyche will switch to a back 3, like he did against Villa the other week.
Andrew Ellams
9 Posted 19/10/2023 at 11:41:34
It has to be a deep counter-attacking line-up. Getting in behind their midfield is their weakness. They don't really have a defensive midfielder.

So, if you can round the back of Terence Trent Darby and whoever replaces Gollum at left back and get players in behind Mac Allister and the other bloke, then sucker punch is your best bet.

John Hall
10 Posted 19/10/2023 at 11:42:16
We'll be playing against 17 men (including all referees on the pitch and 2 in VAR) but I feel we can still get a result! COYB!!!
Dave Abrahams
11 Posted 19/10/2023 at 11:56:02
When we do attack, I hope we put pressure on Van Dijk, he's the weak link in Liverpool's defence. His pace has gone and he needs to be bullied like he used to bully his opponents. He still has to be watched attacking their corners – and that's where Pickford comes in, getting off his line at set-pieces.

We can do this with controlled aggression, lack of fear and quick breakaways as in the 5-1 demolition of Brighton.

Tony Abrahams
12 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:05:53
It's a squad game now that we can use 16 players, so every single player has got to work hard at frustrating Liverpool by playing at full throttle if we are to get anything out of Saturday's game.
Jim Bennings
13 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:13:04
It's hard to believe, actually it's absurd, that Everton have not won a Merseyside derby in front of spectators for 13 years.

The last time that occurred, we had a goalscorer that day who is now the manager of Arsenal.

I find that statistic not only absurd and disastrous but it's almost mysterious how it can be allowed to go on and on.

Andrew Ellams
14 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:18:44
Jim, the worst bit about that is that it means it's 13 years since we won a home game against them.
David West
15 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:23:24
Is it time to not change a winning team? Let's see if it was Bournemouth playing bad or us playing well.

I'm not expecting us to outplay them like Bournemouth, but consistency is what we and the manager has been asking for: how about a consistent line-up?

Full-backs are going to be important, long balls over the top into the full-back position is how these counter so quickly.

Maybe he will play Patterson for Young? For his energy…
That's the only change I'd make.

Geoff Lambert
16 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:27:00
Same team as last time please, Sean.
Laurie Hartley
17 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:29:20
Jim # 13 - I have a feeling that disastrous run is coming to an end this weekend.

Dave # 11 - I also think Van Dijk can be got at and we have two centre forwards plus Doucouré who are capable of doing so. I have actually wondered if Dyche might play Beto for the first 60 minutes to soften him up for Calvert-Lewin. Probably over complicating matters!

I hope we start with Ajay's back four.

I am feeling strangely optimistic about this game.

Brian Wilkinson
18 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:41:04
It is the first time for a while where I have not felt nervous going to our former ground and believing we can get something out of the game. We either catch them when we have key players out, or they are at full strength.

We have got all our players available who are key to putting in a performance; they have their left back missing, who despite some believing he is average, he is a huge loss on the left side, both defending and attacking, it's a huge hole in their team.

The one change I would make is bringing Patterson in at right back, and letting him and Harrison link up down their weak side, play like we did against Villa in the cup and Brighton away last season, turn them round and get behind them and push them back.

I am sure that is the best way to try and get something out of the game; if we sit back and play like we did against Arsenal, they will pick us off and it could get embarrassing again, we simply have to compete and for once go there without a defeated player's attitude.

This game is all on Dyche and how he approaches the game, and giving his finest team talk to the players. He has to get this one right, go there, compete and give everything – that's all any Evertonian is asking for, a performance and no white flag waved before we kick off.

Mihir Ambardekar
19 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:42:27
We have been atrocious at Anfield for several decades. I feel that we hardly get anything from this fixture is due to the gulf of player and manager quality between us and the RS.

Even during the Moyes time, we lacked braveness and quality. Lacked a proper striker who could bang in goals. We had good players in that era but Moyes was ultra-defensive with this tactics. The mentality of "a knife to a gunfight" has got us a draw at the most.

This mentality still persists and the gulf in quality has just got bigger. I am not too confident with our lot as they lack consistency.

I feel the only way to win at Anfield is to play with intensity and at their faces. If we perform well in our next 3-4 fixtures against the RS in which we stay undefeated and win a few, this will gradually change the psychological angle for us. As Dave mentioned, I hope we play like we did against Brighton and Aston Villa away.

I am an optimist and I will go for a close 1-2 win for us.

Craig Walker
20 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:54:39
I think the best we can hope for his a hard-fought 1-1 draw via a dodgy VAR decision and then see if we can beat them in the replay.
Christine Foster
21 Posted 19/10/2023 at 12:55:13
I hope he doesn't park the bus. The only way we will get anything is to shut them down at every opportunity, everywhere on the pitch. If we get in front, then by all means park the bus for the last 20 minutes – not 75...

We aren't good enough to hold them back.

Young has to be on the bench; experience is no substitute against speed and skill. Gana will be back with something to prove… someone will be missing out in the middle for sure… Garner? Doucoure? Onana?

Jim Bennings
22 Posted 19/10/2023 at 13:12:15
I think Robertson being out for that lot is actually a big plus.
He's a horrible ogre of a player that gets on my tit something awful.

I hope we show bravery and don't just go there with the usual negative set-up. Be sensible, yes, but have devilment about us and attack with supporting numbers.

Lee Courtliff
23 Posted 19/10/2023 at 13:17:52
I've also been thinking about the possibility of playing Beto for the first 60-70 minutes to wear down their defence before Dominic comes on to finish them off! So simple in theory.

I just hope we go there with a positive attitude and play like we believe we can win, none of this pathetic inferiority complex that we've had for so many years.

Unfortunately I just can't see Dyche playing the younger players. I believe we'll see Gana back in midfield and Young retaining his place at right-back.

I wouldn't even be all that surprised if Jimmy ends up on the right-hand side of midfield. Again.

A win would be huge for us and our gradually improving team.

Barry Hesketh
24 Posted 19/10/2023 at 13:37:51
It's always the game where the goalscorers and forwards make the difference to the outcome. Quite frankly, Everton have always struggled to score against the other lot and rarely fail to concede.

If we don't score on Saturday, it's likely a loss; if we score one, probably at best a draw and even if we score more than one, no guarantee we leave with any points.

It's why I have disliked this fixture for so many years, the odds for Everton doing anything in the game, apart from picking up yellows and reds, are always remote.

Even the good Everton sides struggled at the other place and for the last 50 years, our good memories of games over the park are far outweighed by the bad ones. I'll watch the cricket on Saturday and hope that we get some sort of positive result over the park.

Kevin Naylor
25 Posted 19/10/2023 at 13:43:33
Although never really a good time to play them, this has come at the wrong time for me. We are just building up some steam and hopefully we can get a result but, if it ends up being 3 or 4 nil, we'll be back to square one.

As everyone says, get at them, kick fuck out of them and don't give that diving twat Salah an opportunity to get his weekly penalty. Surely we are due a change in fortune against these bastards???

Jim Bennings
26 Posted 19/10/2023 at 13:55:17

I don't really think there's any pressure on us at all in this game, so I'm not sure it comes as a bad or good time.

We haven't had a good start to the season, if we don't beat Liverpool or West Ham away then what's that, 10 games in and 2 wins?

Still, for me, I don't think we'll go down this season but that doesn't mean I think we will get more than 36/37 points either because I don't see enough consistency.

Saturday is very much a game we should look at as a free hit.

Kevin Naylor
27 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:02:31
Don't disagree, Jim, I suppose it's what mentality the team approach it with. Expecting to lose and move on then if we get beat then so what.

If they are expecting a result and get tonked then heads may drop. Who knows, I just hope VAR doesn't have a say in it.

Geoff Lambert
28 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:12:18
I'm with Barry on this fixture, I bloody hate it and with good reason.

We never do anything against this lot – can't even beat their kids, for fuck's sake.

Pete Gunby
29 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:26:34
Like Christine, I worry that we park the bus and wait for the inevitable goal to ruin the game plan.

Change the mentality to change the script please.

Tony Abrahams
30 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:28:31
No pressure on Everton? Absolute shite that if you ask me, although this would help explain our very poor record in this fixture.

It's a Merseyside derby, for crying out loud, and you don't win this type of game without putting pressure on yourself to help bring out the best in yourself!

Brian Wilkinson
31 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:49:25
Never liked Aldridge, always found him a snide little rat, but as per usual, someone just had to mention Pickford again.

What is his solution, stand on Pickford's toes, try and get a reaction off him and possibly a card, have it down to an art form, across the park.

I fully expect Klippity to mention the VAR from the other week, just to get in the ref's and the VAR's ears. First opportunity Salah has of going down, he will, and a penalty will be given.

Dave Abrahams
32 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:53:15
Tony (30),

You're a Scouser and love Everton so that pressure would come automatically to you. It should apply to every player but it doesn't and hasn't done for a long time… a very long time… too fuckin' long.

Is there a voice in the dressing room that can rouse these players? That is what's needed.

Minik Hansen
33 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:57:18
I think we're talking about younger backs, I'd say we put just one in on the line-up, and that is Mykolenko, with Young on the other side.

We need cool heads and Young will be amongst the ones that brings in the balance. Then we can talk about bringing in Patterson from the bench at some point in the match.

Paul Kossoff
34 Posted 19/10/2023 at 14:58:12
I hate the red shite to the core of my soul.

I rate them as the dirtiest, slyest, luckiest, self-opinionated, inbred bunch of twats on this God's green Earth.

If I never have to see a highlight on TV of them, if they never win another undeserved trophy, if they disappeared up their own backsides, never to be seen again.

If I never hear another garbled mishmash of crap from that teutonic twat Klop, then I could relax and never have to go through another derby day again.

Just give the bastards 3 points and leave it. The devil looks after his own, well it's about time he took these fuckers to hell.

Dave Abrahams
35 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:03:52
Paul (34),

Amen to that, wish I had written that heart-warming post mate!

Paul Kossoff
36 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:13:48
Dave 35,

I just wish I hadn't had the need to write it. It spoils my season to have to play those bastard's twice.

I've just seen a picture of Dyche at Finch Farm, holding his hands up in a very negative submissive stance…

Mind you, it was a BBC picture, so let's hope they waited hours to get that one.

Mike Gaynes
37 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:22:34
No way Dyche changes the lineup or alignment after the Bournemouth win, which was our best performance of the season by far.

That leaves out Gana, who comes in late to protect our lead, and Patterson, who comes in even later to provide energy when needed.

Peter Mills
38 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:23:25
I realise I am not exactly being Nostradamus, but I fear Nunez will be a headache for us.
Kevin Naylor
39 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:24:55
The sad thing is we have become nothing to them and they look at Man Utd as being a bigger game.

God please shine upon us just once and let us put these fookers to the sword.

Mark Murphy
40 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:25:29
"Teutonic twat"

Great film!!!

On "free hits" I'm glad I don't still live up there still or I'd be a quivering wreck by now. I hate the derby.

Lad in the gym down here yesterday wearing a shite top and a shite gym bag. I asked him was he confident for saturday and he replied No, South Africa are too strong!

I said "no you silly sausage, Liverpool" , and he asked who they are playing...


Kevin Naylor
41 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:28:02
Never thought I'd see 'Tuetonic Twat' and 'Silly Sausage' in the same reply!!
Clive Rogers
42 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:45:48
If Young plays at full-back, Liverpool will target him.
Rick Tarleton
43 Posted 19/10/2023 at 15:58:55
I love the way, come derby days, we get a number of posts where normally rational men and women say something like "I've just got a feeling that this time we'll turn them over."

It's this kind of rational optimism that makes being a fan so difficult. Me? Being a total pessimist, I'm merely hoping we escape a thrashing.

Kieran Kinsella
44 Posted 19/10/2023 at 16:11:44
It's not on Peacock so I won't be able to watch it at 6.30am. Oh well, I can have a lie in and just read the match report from Michael to get the gist.
Rob Halligan
45 Posted 19/10/2023 at 16:13:42
Mark # 40…

Let's hope someone sticks that teutonic twat on a blazing saddle, and he rides off to hell, never to be seen again. Bingo has to be the most obnoxious bastard on this planet, so it's about time we put the gobshite firmly in his place.

Michael Kenrick
46 Posted 19/10/2023 at 16:57:22

I assume you can get USA Network? I think it's live on there.

You've been rather quiet recently, hope everything is okay?

Jay Harris
47 Posted 19/10/2023 at 17:00:36
Kieran, it is on USA channel.
Jay Harris
48 Posted 19/10/2023 at 17:07:08
Listening to Dyches pre-match commentary, he mentioned the 4-5-1 he played against Villa.

I just pray Michael Keane is not in the line-up.

Also, Patterson seems to have lost some confidence lately so it's Young or Garner at right-back for me.

It's the flanks and getting in behind their back 4 where I feel this game will be won or lost so McNeil and Harrison will be key to hitting them on the break and supporting the full-backs.

Paul Ferry
49 Posted 19/10/2023 at 17:31:26
Remember John (Hall: 10) that it is now officially the shite who are the true victims of VAR and have always been the true victims of VAR.
John Hall
50 Posted 19/10/2023 at 18:26:50
Hi Paul, yes I'm trying really hard to feel their VAR pain, I really am. Of course it's not something another kick in the nuts can't fix ;) COYB!!
Christopher Timmins
51 Posted 19/10/2023 at 18:30:30
Lyndon's selection is the likely 11 to start as experience will trump youth on this occasion. I am hoping for a similar performance to Bournemouth, indeed, given that Harrison, Calvert-Lewin and McNeil will be that much fitter, an improved one and I am more than hopeful of a positive result.

Play with intent and energy!

Paul Ferry
52 Posted 19/10/2023 at 18:40:17
Utterly bizarre to say that there is no pressure on us. Tell that to anyone who is worried about going into work or school on Monday. It's the fecking derby!

The thought of losing against them is simply horrible, no matter how used we are to it. How can there not be pressure? And I just hope the lads on the ptich feel it from the loyal few thousand in the half-stand.

No pressure! Who can forget the hideous shite sight of that Teutonic twat running onto the pitch for that goal?

We will only get ourselves into deep trouble if we sit back and invite them to attack with that high press. We need to target their defensive midfield area which is their weakspot along with that clog-wearing victim shithouse in the middle of their defence.

Let Gana alone sit back without orders to make forward runs and we will be okay in the middle. Let Garner make those runs with Doucouré as 10. Two wide players please. No three at the back. No Young on set pieces.

I don't think that we will lose.

Barry Rathbone
53 Posted 19/10/2023 at 18:51:22
Rick @43,

At the risk of upsetting the "negative police", I'm with you.

For the life of me, I don't understand people setting themselves up for such a monumental fall — it's as though the damning history of this fixture is a fantasy.

Ah well, soon be over.

Dale Self
54 Posted 19/10/2023 at 18:56:03
Busted Barry! Book ‘em Paul.

Setting ourselves up for a fall, what defeatist tripe. UTFT!

Mark Taylor
55 Posted 19/10/2023 at 18:57:28
I said in an earlier post that we have no pressure or, to be more precise, we can play with less pressure on us than had we lost to Bournemouth.

Pressure does strange things. The best rise to it and perform at a still higher level. But we are not 'the best' and we have wilted before.

To lesser mortals, less pressure can free you up. It is, for example, the only way I can see England beating South Africa in the Rugby World Cup. One side plays with freedom, no fear; the other is scared to lose because they know they really shouldn't, and that makes them worse, even panicky.

John Gall
56 Posted 19/10/2023 at 19:04:14
Please, Everton, please... just twat them.

Last-minute disputed clearly offside winner at the Kop end. Sheedy fingers. Klopp fuming. Make it happen.

John Hall
57 Posted 19/10/2023 at 19:26:14
We had Jimmy and Jack score their first goals for us last time, let's hope it's Beto's time on Saturday — a derby goal makes people legends forever! UTFT!!
David West
58 Posted 19/10/2023 at 19:44:45
When people say there's no pressure on us, it's not really true. There's no expectation, and that's a different force.

There is no expectation, no-one will give us a chance, no-one will think we have a hope. I mean, this thread is surprisingly optimistic, but outside of us endlessly optimistic blues, we are getting rolled over by all accounts.

Pressure is a different thing. Any Merseyside derby for red or blue is filled with pressure. The pressure is always there, if you're top of the league or bottom. If the players don't feel the pressure, then they don't know what it means to the city.

The lack of expectation doesn't relieve the pressure, it frees them to express themselves more freely which hopefully Dyche can instil into them.

We will have to have every player playing as well as they have all season, some giving more than they have yet this season. It's 11 against 11. It's for us to embarrass them, us to cause an upset, us to show we can upset some of the big sides.

Where better to show it, than our soon to be 2nd old ground?

Matt Byrne
59 Posted 19/10/2023 at 19:51:09
Onana has stepped up his game and did very well against Bournemouth. Personally, I wouldn't change the team as the message is, 'play well and stay in the team.'
Mark Murphy
60 Posted 19/10/2023 at 19:55:44
Rob - “Bingo” cracks me up every time that one!! UTFT
David West
61 Posted 19/10/2023 at 20:18:07
Barry 53.

I'm glad you are not giving the talk just before the team head out on the pitch!

No-one would ever beat a better team on paper by your reckoning. It can be done. It may not, in fact it's highly unlikely, but it's possible. Like we beat Arsenal, the league leaders last year, when we were in the worst run ever.

It's the joy of football, mate, it's why we bother watching this dreadfully run club, because it can be done. Anything can happen – that's why you will be watching like the rest of us!

Lynn Maher
64 Posted 19/10/2023 at 21:00:24
Just read on the official Everton website of the tragic deaths of a family of Evertonians. The circumstances don't bear thinking about.

There is to be a minutes silence held ahead of the derby and all Premier League games, for the victims of violence. I really hope that it is impeccably observed.

Christy Ring
65 Posted 19/10/2023 at 21:24:06
We have to play on the front foot from the start, unlike our poor performance against Arsenal. Defend from the front and give them no time or space, and be in their faces, and we'll have Klopp chewing his bit on the line, and we can get a result.

We have Aldridge the twat trying to target Pickford, who has to keep his cool, and the incident will probably be mentioned again on Saturday, by the pundits or commentator, nearly 3 years on.

Barry Rathbone
66 Posted 19/10/2023 at 21:48:41
David 61

"joy of football" ????????

I don't know what to say

Ian Hollingworth
67 Posted 19/10/2023 at 21:52:23
Lynn @64 just read the report and it’s truly tragic.
Sickens me that there are still people trying to say it didn’t happen.
Glad football is marking the tragic deaths accordingly and not going silent like gobshite Lineker.


David West
68 Posted 19/10/2023 at 22:03:16
Barry 66

Isn't that why we continously follow the club ?

We may not get them joyful days very often lately, but that's why we watch, follow, and support our side.

If even beating the RS at anfield, dont bring you any joy mate, you're a lost cause, my friend.

Will Mabon
69 Posted 19/10/2023 at 22:06:00
This is the most positive I've felt since the James - Richarlison game.

Not in terms of the form or theoretical likely outcome, but more in the feeling that we will compete. I hope there is no negative tinkering with the line-up or tactics, and that freedom is given for the team to play their best game.

Christy – I recently saw a new (to me) angle of "The Incident" from outside, sort of an advanced right-wing position. It looked nothing bad really, and if anything, Van Dijk looked to be slightly more the one who went in.

Danny Baily
70 Posted 19/10/2023 at 22:19:36
Got a feeling we'll pick something up on Saturday.
Mal van Schaick
71 Posted 19/10/2023 at 22:42:13
Like everyone else, I hope that we get something out of the game, and we are improving. Dyche has the responsibility of team selection and tactics. Other factors include refereeing decisions.

No doubt that if we take a point or all three, they will be blaming everyone else but themselves.

Paul Birmingham
72 Posted 19/10/2023 at 23:22:54
Seriously, over the last month of ups, and downs, Everton are improving, and I believe Everton, can come away with at least a point, and if they play the game with no fears, beat this RS, squad.

Play the game, forget the match and VAR, officials. They're legends already in their merit, of what they do..

An air of 1983, has been in the breeze. But Everton must turn up.

Keep it simple, let Garner be the Colin Harvey, of this Team, and beat them.

DCL, will take the piss, if he gets service, but no lazy passes across the back line and into midfield. But please take the chances.

Don't give the RS, a sniff and play with no fear.


Paul Kossoff
73 Posted 19/10/2023 at 23:50:45
“I really happy for Jimmy and his progress," Dyche said.

Lyndon, he's not been watching Jackie Chan films again has he?😀

Phil Lewis
74 Posted 19/10/2023 at 23:53:23
For the first time in many years, this fixture does not fill me with dread.

As others have intimated, I believe attack to be our best form of defence. Allow Liverpool to come at you and they have the pace and quality to punish you. So our midfield needs to be at its energetic best in order to produce counter-attacks, feeding our flanks, enabling Calvert-Lewin to run the channels.

His form and confidence are coming to the boil at just the right time. Their defence is suspect. I can see us winning this by a couple of clear goals, with a bit of luck.

A fearless approach please, Blue Boys, from the word go!

David Hallwood
76 Posted 19/10/2023 at 00:06:16
The team should be the team vs Bournemouth, knowing gravel voice he'll stick garner wide right ahead of Young, so it'll be Luton all over again.

Personally, I'd got 3 at the back a la Villa, only with Mykolenko instead of Keane (controversial, I know) with the midfield 4 of McNeil, Garner, Onana and Patterson with Danjuma, Calvert-Lewin and Harrison up top.

My reasoning is that most of the RS attacks start from the backs and they push up really high, this is a way to overload those areas, and we have 4 players that will run their collective bollocks off.

Obviously the chances of Dyche selecting this line-up is minus nil, I'm just praying he doesn't start with Young and Garner on the right.

Kieran Kinsella
77 Posted 20/10/2023 at 01:36:23
Michael @46,

Cheers mate. I'm alright mate bit of a mix of stuff but I'm hanging in there.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
78 Posted 20/10/2023 at 04:55:28
I fear Gana will be inserted back in the mix, but it would be great to see the Bournemouth starting 11, minus Young for Patterson.

Given nearly everyone but the few irrational Everton fans have us losing this by at least 2 goals, it's time we put out our best players and see what they can do. Tell them to play with no fear and see what happens. If those 11 come to play, there's no reason we can't give the RS a good fight.

Terry Farrell
79 Posted 20/10/2023 at 06:57:45
I believe in the team that Sean Dyche is building. Players with backbone and we are playing some good football.

Ajay and many others have the same team as me, ie, last match except Patterson for Young. Dominic will cause Van Dijk big problems. Coyb.

Keep Horsehead in his technical area and away from the 4th official!

John Keating
80 Posted 20/10/2023 at 07:39:15
20 October 1984: Probably the best derby goal I've seen to give us a win.

21 October 2023: Hopefully the worst derby goal we'll ever see to give us a win

Sam Hoare
81 Posted 20/10/2023 at 07:40:34
It feels strange that some of the people on here who have been saying how poor we have been all season now want us to be going to Anfield to play attacking football.

Even mediocre teams who play an open game at Anfield tend to get ripped apart, let alone poor ones.

Dyche will be rightly concerned about leaving space and so I expect a cagier game with the crucial aspect being when and where to press and counter-attack. It will presumably try to be the same way we played against Brighton and having a fit and firing Calvert-Lewin will hopefully make the execution of some of those counters better.

But very few teams get points at Anfield so any optimism must be tempered. We have the tools to compete but lots will come down to setup and individual performance and decision-making on the day. Let's hope Dyche and the players do us proud.

Paul Ferry
82 Posted 20/10/2023 at 07:52:23
Ah John K - 80 - thanks for that mate, 20 October 1984, what memories and times mate.

And the blues running on the pitch after that goal, including Fat Kevin, who I met only once, slapping the shit out of his mate on the back seat of our coach on the way down to Highbury for the Inchy semi.

I think I liked the '86 Lineker/Ratty Mordor affair even more because that more or less wrapped the title up for us, ho hum.

First time that I ever saw serious match-day violence between us. I was in the Kop, and it seriously kicked off – there were a big bunch of us on the main stand side – and the bitter bastards did their best to wade in on us but we are the originals.


Dave Cashen
83 Posted 20/10/2023 at 07:58:38
There's a very good reason for thirteen years of misery. They haven't just gone into these games with better teams. They have gone into them with vastly superior squads.

In days gone by, form would go out of the window for a derby, but not anymore. You can't bring superior opponents down by kicking the shite out of them. You'd end up with 6/7 men.

They've bought top class players and their performances on the field have reflected their performances off it. Unfortunately, so have ours. We've bought some dross.

It's no coincidence that the time we did beat them was when we brought the X-factor. Jimmy Rodriguez's body may have already started to stall, but he believed and knew he was better than them and he set out to prove it.

Now that Marcel Brands isn't squandering hundreds of millions swelling the coffers of other clubs by buying their sick notes. I believe Thelwell is steadying the ship in regards to the players we bring in. I think we are improving. We are getting players fit and we finally have match winners.

I smiled at Rick Tarleton's post (43). I think we all recognised exactly what he was talking about.

That said. I see grumbling and unrest at Anfield. They look even more persecuted than they usually are. Life is just so unfair.

I don't know if I "just have a feeling", Rick. Maybe I do, but if you offered me a draw right now. I wouldn't take it. There's three points up for grabs tomorrow.

John Keating
84 Posted 20/10/2023 at 08:12:57

99% of a derby is players' psychological state.

The thing about the 1984 team was that they didn't give a shit about Rush, Dalgleish or anyone else in a red shirt. Unfortunately too many players and teams have played the RS defeated before we even kick off.

It's not a manager or coaches we need the week before a derby – it's a psychologist and a few motivational speakers – and a few diehards to explain to the players what it really means to the support.

Jim Lloyd
85 Posted 20/10/2023 at 08:17:10
If we play as we did against Brighton last season then we might well get something out of the game. I think we have have a much faster midfield available to us now. and two big, mobile forwards, assuming Doucouré plays further forward with Calvert Lewin and the same midfield four.

Garner, McNeil and Harrison are much more mobile in getting forward or helping in defence, than Doucouré, Gana and Onana (in going either forwards or getting back) I'm dubious about which Onana will turn up.

I go along with Sam though. We were much better last game and we have options in our team now to make any opposition think more about being over confident.

The next few games are going to be tough and I'm not expecting too many points by the end of them. I just hope to see us keep injury free and allow Sean Dyche options to be able to change tactics if desired/needed during a game. With the options he has available to him now, he has he can do so. But the players Liverpool have, are a job and a half at Anfield. I just hope we'll stand up to them and play as well as we can do.

Tony Abrahams
86 Posted 20/10/2023 at 08:22:05
I'm glad I started backwards on this thread because it meant I got to Dave C's post right away. These bastards have persecuted us for years and if we got three points tomorrow it would completely destroy a large portion of the most self superior fanbase in the whole wide world.

Reading about free hits or sarcastic posts lamenting the joys of football, shows me how far we have fallen as both a football club and a fan base, but try telling that to the two thousand people who will March to Anfield tomorrow with pride. Fucken Everton aren't we - singing - we shall not be moved! 💙

Paul Ferry
87 Posted 20/10/2023 at 08:29:53
John, fantastic post, spot on.

We need you and Rob Halligan and any one of the sisters and brothers - we need NZ Christine with Dave A in that fecking dressing room - to tell them what it means to us.

We are the ones who really matter, who suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to have the bad or good luck of growing up in a city where 17.45 per cent support the thieves who stole our ground and find it hard to place it on a map.

Travel and ticket directions for their Mordor shite stadium half-stand derby on ToffeeWeb of all places?

Jimmy Carr
88 Posted 20/10/2023 at 08:43:48
Liverpool have some players making their debuts in a derby. We should target them.

Anyone suggesting Nathan Patterson plays for us needs to have a word with themselves. This is the sort of game were experience can be important.

And just to contradict myself there, play three centre backs if you wish Sean, but please god not Michael Keane.

We'll at least have confidence for this after our last game, so you never know. COYB.

Danny Baily
89 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:03:05
Sit back and hit them on the counter. The blueprint is there from the Brighton game last season. It would need Calvert-Lewin to start.

Like I said earlier, I can see us picking up points this weekend.

Ian Jones
90 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:18:35
Sam makes a pertinent comment 'But very few teams get points at Anfield '

Spurs are one such club, they've only had 7 league victories at Anfield from 1909 (had a quick look, so might have missed one). Their last win there was 2011.

It's a shame that, for obvious reasons, we can't just treat it as just another match.

As for me, my starting point is sadly that we will probably lose, if we get a point it's a bonus and 3 points is just out of this world. Hopefully that mindset will change soon. The main thing I want to see is maximum effort, to make a game of it, take the game to them, and if we are to lose or draw hope that the defining goal isn't an offside or dodgy one..

Of course, if the defining goal is in our favour, don't care how dodgy it is!

Rob Halligan
91 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:23:09
Travel directions for all Liverpool fans…………


Please be advised to check all travel routes prior to travelling to the game due to any unforeseen travel circumstances.

By Road: Please be aware road closures will be in place around Anfield.

From the North: Exit M6, Junction 23 and follow Liverpool (A580) signs into Walton Hall Avenue, pass Stanley Park and turn left into Anfield Road.

From the South & East: Take M62 to the end of the motorway then turn right under flyover into Queen's Drive (A5058), turn left (three miles) into Utting Avenue. Continue into Arkles Lane.

Travel directions for Everton fans…….

Leave Goodison Park 11.45. Cross over Walton Lane into Stanley Park. Walk across park for about ten minutes. Leave park onto Anfield Road and then enter stadium 12.00pm.

Colin Glassar
92 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:28:30
Rob, I’m sure the vast majority of them have Google maps on their phones.
Rokas Grajauskas
93 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:48:33
Greetings from Lithuania!

I haven't written a comment here in a few long years, but after reading your thoughts, I can't resist the returning urge.

Regarding pressure – or the lack of it – I haven't felt this way before a derby game for a very long time. Perhaps the Bournemouth game and our current form (except the disaster against the airport team) have created a feeling of an upward trajectory.

If we lose tomorrow, it won't be a tragedy, nobody expects us to get anything from the game anyway. Well, if we don't end up getting hammered in a lopsided fashion, that is. But there is also a slight sense of a possibility here.

We haven't won in that tourist outhouse in front of their cellphone waving fans since 1999. And they already opened up the emotional floodgates by playing the victims of VAR.

If we score first, there will be loads of moaning and groaning about how the entire world is out to get them. That sort of psychological distraction can become a key factor in a derby game. And we are not the ones possibly facing it, this time it's on their side.

Same team as last time out, please. Gana coming on late to protect the lead, as someone mentioned – really loved the idea of that, that is the way that he should be used for the rest of the season. The game against Bournemouth showed how massively impressive we can be, when we are playing 11 against 11 on offense.

Including Gana makes it 10 against 11. Love the guy, but at this stage of his career he's a defensive specialist and an offensive liability. Let's use him correctly and to our advantage.

We will be gathering in a local pub to watch the game and I am hopeful of a Saturday that I will never forget. 3-1 to the good guys, Beto to score a late final nail-in-the-coffin goal after they peg one back around the 80-minute mark. No fear, no stress, no unhealthy amounts of pressure. Just a glorious performance and some furious excuses from Morgen Flopp.

UTFT, tomorrow we celebrate!

Jim Lloyd
94 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:49:05
Dave, (83) Good post.

I think, though, that apart from the odd bright spots, they've consistently had the better of us since Howard Kendall's squad was dismantled in the late 80s early 90s.

Our boards since then have been a disgrace for our club. Especially the last 20-odd years!

Jim Lloyd
95 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:54:25
Rokas, well said mate!
Brent Stephens
96 Posted 20/10/2023 at 09:59:35
Rob #91,

I'd have said “Take the M62 in an easterly direction…”.

Barry Rathbone
97 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:08:11
David @68,

I readily admit to being a lost cause… and as for "joy" — the word "relief" seems more appropriate.

If we won something, that would be a different matter… in fact, just having a courageous team competing would bring relief from the morose existence of being an Everton fan.

I've said this before but, if there was medication to eliminate my Everton interest, I'd be jacked up to the hilt. The days of Covid when football was cancelled almost made the virus acceptable.

David West
98 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:11:08
Rob @91.

I'm sure their overnight package holidays come with an itinerary and directions.

David West
99 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:11:08
Rob @91,

I'm sure their overnight package holidays come with an itinerary and directions.

Brian Harrison
100 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:19:08
Our record at Anfield is an embarrassment other than when Carlo Ancelotti was our manager and won 0-2 in Februaary 2021. We have to go back to September 1999 when we won 0-1.

I was with a few of my friends who support the other lot and they said they didn't like derbies. I said, "Why? You win most of them, and Evertonians have got so used to losing we treat a draw as some sort of moral victory."

I have to admit I hate derby matches, even when we had good sides who often beat the other lot I still didn't enjoy them.

David West
101 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:19:46

Relief is what I felt when we survived relegation the last couple of years.

A win at Anfield surely would provide you, and us all, with some joy, mate?

It's not a cup, a league or Champions League, but it would put a smile on a lot of faces that haven't had too much to smile about lately.

I know it would me.

John Pendleton
102 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:23:59
Travelling Blues will give us the edge in a tight game of snatched half-chances and nervy defences.

I'm going 1-0 Calvert-Lewin penalty with Klopp sent off for LaserLighting Pickford's eyes with his naughty gnashers.

Tony Abrahams
103 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:27:11
Rokas @93, you're definitely a Toffee with some of the things you are saying, mate. Dead funny!

My view of the game is also about something that you wrote, because listening to a lot of Liverpudlians, they are frustrated with having to come from behind in most games.

My view of football is that you can't keep coming from behind so hopefully tomorrow is the day that this stops happening and Everton becomes a game too far for our lovable neighbours.🤞

Jack Convery
104 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:30:28
If Doucouré can channel his inner Jude Bellingham we'll get something.

MOTM Branthwaite.

1 nil EFC. (McNeil, assist Garner ).


Dave Cashen
105 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:53:02
Jim 94. Agreed.

I think Howard Kendall cobbled together a group of winners despite what was going on in our boardroom. Even then, there were no plans to build any sort of a dynasty. Decent players replaced top class ones and the glory days were all too fleeting.

I know people blame "Them" for our demise, but I put it down to being hugely self-inflicted.

I believe that, when Sir John stepped down, the winning mentality in our boardroom stepped down with him. He would have loved his predecessors, probably for breakfast, although he may have saved them for his tea.

Tony Everan
106 Posted 20/10/2023 at 10:59:45
I think we are putting together a side with players who have some belief. The mentality is changing for the better. As has been said earlier, too often in the past Everton teams have been beat before the game starts. Just going through the possible team:

Calvert-Lewin always believes he can make a difference

McNeil and Harrison are positive, athletic, the right amount of aggression matched with skill and both have belief they can make things happen.

Doucoure has total belief when playing in his preferred advanced role, it would not surprise me one bit if he bagged the important goal tomorrow.

Onana and Garner both young and still learning but the type to not back down under pressure, and fight. Onana has an opportunity here to make a statement. The two of them won't go into the game with an inferiority complex.

Mykolenko has his work cut out and often gets criticism but I admire his stoic defensive work, he's someone you'd want with you in the trenches.

Patterson is very inexperienced but, he has the right attitude, that defiant aggressive Scottish trait that will serve him well as he progresses. He is a player that is up for a fight.

Branthwaite and Tarkowski have the belief and look a complimentary partnership with both quality and physicality.

Pickford is getting better as he matures, I get the impression he is getting more confident and relishes the challenge. He is committed to Everton and in games like tomorrow could make all the difference to the result.

This is exactly what I want to see, Everton players on the pitch who believe, and walk out confident they can get a result.


Bill Fairfield
107 Posted 20/10/2023 at 11:16:15
Just hope they go out there and believe in themselves, instead of the usual crapping themselves at the first sign of a red attack.

Show a bit of composure for a change. COYB.

James Hughes
108 Posted 20/10/2023 at 11:32:05
Rob H, Not very impressed with your travel directions for us Bluenoses!. Where is the mention of a couple of beers beforehand? :)

Even if was lucky enough to get a ticket I won't spend my cash at Mordor

COYB 1-2 and your mate Bingo moaning about VAR again.

(TW not working again, big 2-second delay between typing and showing…)

Terry Farrell
109 Posted 20/10/2023 at 12:57:34
Jimmy C,

Patterson has got the lot, mate, and he only lacks experience. Young will get a yellow pretty quickly and Diaz is too quick for him. It's not a suggestion; with Seamus still out, it's the must-do option.

Rob Halligan
110 Posted 20/10/2023 at 13:18:23
Down at Brentford, Ashley Young got laced down the right side, and was booked after about 40 seconds for fouling the attacker. He simply cannot afford something similar tomorrow, so like many, Patterson has to start.

Bring him on if we're defending any kind of a result, hopefully a win, but definitely don't start him.

Danny O’Neill
111 Posted 20/10/2023 at 13:45:15
It's derby weekend and I'll be off to the swear box.

I don't give a shit about them. I absolutely despise them.

Fuck them with their self-appreciation, entitlement and selective airbrushing of history. No doubt we'll get accused of saying nasty things about them that they will turn into Hillsborough rather than that shameful day at Brussels.

Fuck them. Every single one of them.

I don't care about them or previous results. I care about tomorrow.

Apologies. I don't often swear a lot but I am in the derby zone and don't know if I will sleep a lot tonight.

Be brave Everton and have no fear.

1878 The Originals.

Pete Neilson
112 Posted 20/10/2023 at 13:54:03
Surprised they haven’t asked to delay kick off time with storm Babet affecting flights from Norway. Time yet.
Jim Lloyd
113 Posted 20/10/2023 at 13:55:12
Totally agree, Dave (104), I think he'd have had them for tea!

Sir John Moores was reputed to have two pegs in the dressing room left empty. They were for Di Stefano and Pushkas, when the ban on foreign players was lifted. True or not, I don't know, but I could believe it.

I looked at the early sixties team and the only thing that spoiled them was, in my view, Harry Catterick. Once Sir John stepped down, we began to lose our way. Once Shankly stepped down, they had Paisley to come in. I think John Moores's son was their Chairman... can't remember now. If its true, he didn't bring his lad up right.

Yes, absolutely self-inflicted. I despise that club but they built upon success. Once Howard Kendall went, we let a team get dismantled; and the board appeared not to think it was worthwhile keeping up our challenge to the other top teams.

Now, in spite of the independent commission, in spite of the financial difficulties, I think Kevin Thelwell and Sean Dyche will knock together a decent squad.

Tomorrow, if we play the same team as against Bournemouth, then we are capable of giving the other lot a game. How we get on... well, wait and see! Like plenty of others, I don't like derby games.

Steve Griffiths
114 Posted 20/10/2023 at 14:11:34

David Moores was Sir John Moores's nephew. I think his father was Cyril Moores, the brother of Sir John.

Regards to the game tomorrow, it would be the same team as Bournemouth for me.

Almost 40 years to the day that Sharpy slammed in that beauty. I was there in the Kop, happy days. A tap in from a yard to win tomorrow, will do for me.

Danny O’Neill
115 Posted 20/10/2023 at 15:16:40
In fact, can we not have that badge on the title screen?

The bird is blue.


Dave Lynch
116 Posted 20/10/2023 at 15:22:02
We've got little chance in this fixture, I'm sad to say.

They will kick, scream and moan in the ref's face like spoilt kids. They always do in the derby.

They will get every decision on the day as well... I fucking hate derby matches.

Jim Lloyd
117 Posted 20/10/2023 at 15:26:31
Thanks, Steve! Much appreciated.

That Cyril feller must have been jealous of Sir John becoming a Sir! I'm jealous of you! Being in the Kop when that went in! Brilliant!

I'm with you regards the team... and the result!

Though a penalty would be nice, seeing as we've only had about six there since the lodgers moved in!

Paul Kossoff
118 Posted 20/10/2023 at 16:23:43
When the Red Shite play, regardless of who it's against, I wish only one outcome, a defeat for them. I support every team on the planet if they are playing those bastards.

To say I hate them would be an understatement. They and their supporters can gay kocken offen yom, means "go shit in the ocean", and I hope they do tomorrow. 👮👮👮

Dave Abrahams
119 Posted 20/10/2023 at 16:49:57
Dave (116),

It's not just in the derby that they kick, scream and moan for every decision, they do it every game. Free kicks, bleedin' throw-ins, fuckin' faces saying ‘not me ref' for every foul, ganging up on the ref for the least thing, with the Teutonic Twat (fuckin' love that) leading them on.

Paul Birmingham
120 Posted 20/10/2023 at 17:26:43
Steve, let's hope Everton turn up tomorrow. It's 40 years next year for the Sharp special, I was in the Kemlyn Road that day by the Anfield Road End, and all Everton.

Absolutely brilliant day and week as we went to Man Utd on the Tuesday night and beat them 2-1 in the League Cup.

If Everton play without fear tomorrow, they can win.

Danny O’Neill
121 Posted 20/10/2023 at 17:36:13
Dave Cashen, I'll never forgive them, especially on derby weekend, but I agree, it wasn't just that. It impacted us, but it didn't hold back Man Utd or Arsenal in the long term. We stood still, which is equivalent to walking backwards.

Anyway, we can debate the club on Sunday when we all wake up with sore heads.

Rob. Under no circumstances let the Police escort us to the ground.

Ray Roche
122 Posted 20/10/2023 at 17:49:22
Jim @117,

We've had three since the War, Jim.


And the cheeky fuckers whinged like babies over every one.

Jim Lloyd
123 Posted 20/10/2023 at 18:07:54
Thanks for that, Ray.

What's that. About 80 years? Unbelievable!

Bloody devil worshippers!

I like our team though and the beginnings of a squad that we're getting "inquiries allowed".

So, with the team we had last week, then I think (hope!) we'll give them a game.

Rob Halligan
124 Posted 20/10/2023 at 18:33:52

We'll be in The Winslow for 10 am. Have one or two then make our way over Stanley Park… (Directions above 😁😁😁) if you want to meet us in there.

Ian Styles
125 Posted 20/10/2023 at 19:01:01
I would love to see us scupper the arrogance of the Red Shite fans.

There is one of their many Twitter fan groups that already have awarded themselves 12 points from their next four games: after us tomorrow, they have Forest (h), Luton (a) and Brentford (h).

Of course, games are played on paper these days, aren't they?

Christopher Timmins
126 Posted 20/10/2023 at 19:11:49
This is no free hit tomorrow, this is a game where we absolutely must put in a performance that, with the rub of the green, provides us with a positive result. Anything less just results in a horrible weekend!

This Everton supporter refuses to accept anything less.

Paul Ferry
127 Posted 20/10/2023 at 19:17:10
Really liked this nice piece on Jack Harrison in today's Guardian (some nice insights into Frank Lampard too, which always pleases me and reminds me what a decent fella he is).

Jack Harrison: ‘Playing in New York gave me a different perspective’

We will not lose tomorrow.

Enjoy your walk across the park, Rob.


Jay Evans
128 Posted 20/10/2023 at 19:41:47
Fuck them.

Quite simply, they are not worthy of our thoughts and in some cases, our worries.

Remember, they exist only because we allowed them to. They are the spawn of our former home and, in 100 years, when we are done with Bramley-Moore Dock, we will probably give them that as well.

They are despicable to their very core.

All of them.

We all know family and friends that are reds but let's have it right – if they had anything about them, they would be Evertonians – but they are not.

Well that's on them. Their loss.

We will probably get beat tomorrow but, even if we do, fuck them. We may never have their trophies but we will also never, ever, have their shame.

Say your prayers for a victory at the building site tomorrow. God knows we deserve one.

Don't we?

Barry Rathbone
129 Posted 20/10/2023 at 19:51:48
Jim @113,

Regarding John Moores, it always puzzles and irks me why an Evertonian would fund Liverpool's success as he did.

His involvement with the heathen is a bit of a "don't mention the war" guilty secret even those in the know tap dance around the issue. His old gardener recalls a car from Anfield arriving after every home game with the gate money in bags!!!

He was a man not averse to hedging his bets and, as a result, they exist as an empire and we exist as a scrapyard bonfire.

Not the Everton hero of legend I'm afraid.

Ernie Baywood
130 Posted 20/10/2023 at 20:00:12
I'll be shocked if it's not all-out defence and hope for something on the break.

Anyone thinking we're suddenly an attacking side is still missing the point. We had possession and shots against some poor teams. The fixture list just fell that way for us (and we couldn't take advantage). We barely threatened the two decent teams we've played.

Dyche isn't a risk taker and he won't start at Anfield. On this occasion, he might actually be right.

Dale Self
131 Posted 20/10/2023 at 20:11:20
Dyche has made statements about changing the mentality of this squad and at the club. The players have enough belief to give full commitment and they have had two weeks of preparation. I think Dyche has played it close to the vest and may be willing to open it up once we show some ability to stop their attack.

Beware the xG! Stop the Klopp! Harrison and McNeil run the show! UTFT!

Paul Birmingham
132 Posted 20/10/2023 at 20:29:16
Recall Mr Ed going for Dyche, a few years back when Burnley done them, at our old ground, he was hysterical.

Hopefully Everton can turn up and put the RS, in place tomorrow.


John Hall
133 Posted 20/10/2023 at 20:53:06
Is it Jota suspended or Curtis Jones? I think Jota can play and Jones can't. Pity that…
Robert Tressell
134 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:01:56
Really tough game as always but I'm looking forward to this one. I fancy our chances.
Steve Griffiths
135 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:02:24
Jim (117), you're welcome, I'm full of useless information haha.

Yes, it truly was a great day and the first time that I can recall having seen the Blues win at Mordor. Although my Dad insists I was there in 1970 (I was 6) and have no recollection.


Peter Moore
136 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:06:41
We can, please God, we shall. UTFT. COYB.
Steve Griffiths
137 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:11:04
Paul (120),

Yes, a great week, and I was fortunate enough to be at Old Trafford also. What a side that was, afraid of no one and never beaten till the final whistle.

As you say, if we go to Mordor with the right attitude, something a lot of Everton teams have not done since the Joe Royle years, then you just never know.


Steve Griffiths
138 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:23:54
Barry (129),

It's true the Moores family held shares and sway in both clubs. The main issue was that Sir John's Everton shares were passed down to his only child and daughter, Lady Grantchester, who had no interest in football or indeed Everton.

Cecil's Liverpool shares went to David I believe. Just out of interest, the Grantchesters are the 39th richest family in the UK with a reputed worth of £1.2 billion.

John Kavanagh
139 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:43:11
I think we'll get a performance out of the players tomorrow. My biggest fear is the officiating. One of the reasons for our poor results over the years has been the refereeing decisions. The Crappenburg derby is just one raw memory of many over the years.

My concern is that Klopp now has a fistful of IOUs from Webb, VAR, PGMOL and the FA over that VAR decision and that there will be an effort to set things right at Satan's playground after denying him the replay he demanded.

I just hope that this doesn't involve dodgy sendings off that could knacker us for up to three more games.

COYB and RIP the Kutz family of Blues whose lives were taken so cruelly on 7th October.

Christine Foster
140 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:44:44
If there is one thing I cannot abide from an Everton manager, it's the "knife to a gunfight" approach. Park the bus, keep it tight etc etc.

They are 11 players against 11... the key difference is attitude. This is the Premier League... no team in it has players worthy of the Championship so why set up as if they are?

Individuals may have better skills but that's only half of it. Skilful players are thwarted every week, every game. Who is up for it? Who has the spirit, the fight, the desire to stick it up them? Who hasn't?

So don't give me the "Park the Bus" set up Dyche, don't give me every player behind the ball for 90 mins... don't chase shadows.

I want to win. I don't care how. But I want to see us put them to the sword because they will never expect it. They think we will just sit back and wait for a chance. Their arrogance is only matched by their complacency.

100 minutes of attitude, commitment, desire. Want it, Dyche, want it. Like I do… like we all do.

My message to the team is this:

"This game is different, it will forever mark your card in the history of this club. Any one of you can become a legend today. Any one of you can leave this ground as a hero. Fail to try, give in or leave it to someone else and your career at this club is over. This is not a game. You are the spear through the heart of Satan. A blight on our club. Once and for all, kill it."

Do it for us.

Matt Byrne
141 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:44:50
John Suenson Taylor, aka Lord Granchester, Sir John's grandson, is a blue and a billionaire. He was central to the club raising the funds to buy the Everton Collection from David France.

Shame he couldn't have been persuaded to invest when Kenwright, scrambling for a few quid down the back of the armchair, took over. Are there any other wealthy Evertonians out there who may want to get involved?

Mike Lyons worked as Brunei manager 20 years ago and maybe could've persuaded the Sultan to stick a few quid behind the bar at the Winslow.

Derek Knox
142 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:48:56
I'm on the 'Danny' tomorrow so will hopefully get most of the match on the radio, another couple of Evertonians on board so we can celebrate or commiserate, together. Hope it is the former, got a more positive feeling than hitherto about tomorrow. Danny, Rob H, John R, et al please out-sing the Norwegians and all other ethnicities, that turn up for the Gobshites !

COYB 💙💙💙👍

Matt Byrne
143 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:50:27
Same team as last week and try and lay a glove on them. They don't like it up them. Have a go.

If we get beaten at least we've had a go. No pathetic sitting back and waiting to lose 2-nil. If we just defend, they will score and what is Plan B then?

Barry Hesketh
144 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:52:06
Matt @141,

It's been reported that the Grantchester's weren't at all happy with Bill being the owner and I'm pretty sure that Lord Grantchester was especially of that view. He left the Everton board in December 2000, a year after Bill took official ownership.

Chris Williams
145 Posted 20/10/2023 at 21:57:29
Steve (138),

John Moores had 2 sons as well, John and Peter.

He also helped Liverpool FC around the same time as taking over at Everton, with both management help from Littlewoods, and finance.

He wasn't able to hold shares in two clubs, so the LFC shares were held by Cecil, and passed down his side of the family. Until they were sold to the Texans.

I don't think the club own the Everton Collection either. I believe it is independently owned.

I've an idea that John Suenson Taylor had little time for Bill Kenwright.

Kunal Desai
146 Posted 20/10/2023 at 22:08:02
Their weakness is the full-back areas. Hopefully tomorrow the likes of Harrison and McNeil can exploit both Trent and Tsimikas.
Robert Williams
147 Posted 20/10/2023 at 22:08:27
Crickey Christine, that is powerful stuff, girl.

Good on ya.

Jeff Armstrong
148 Posted 20/10/2023 at 22:20:13
I fancy us tomorrow 1-2, Harrison the difference.

Calvert-Lewin penalty at some point too.

I had a dream.

Barry Hesketh
149 Posted 20/10/2023 at 22:41:24
There are two ways to park the bus, the one we used at Brighton in May and the one we used at Goodison against Arsenal.

If it's the latter, it'll be a very bad day at the office; if it's the former, we might do something, like actually have a shot and who knows even have the audacity to score a goal.

Tomorrow's game is one where I really don't care how we play as long as we return to Goodison with something from the game.

Tom Bowers
150 Posted 20/10/2023 at 22:46:07
No doubt it will be another nerve-wrecker tomorrow as we hope for a strong defensive performance and a little piece of luck when it matters.

It goes without saying that on paper we are once again the underdogs as we probably have been for many years thanks to the big-money signings of RS particularly on offensive players but every dog has its day and maybe tomorrow it will be us.

If the weather is wet, wet, wet then maybe it will slow down the likes of Salah but I for one hope Dyche doesn't start Gana who may need to be a sub for a few games.


Don Alexander
151 Posted 20/10/2023 at 22:52:25
Christine (#140),

I hugely admire and share your sentiments, and they may well have been valid in the last century (exemplified to me by the likes of Labone, Ball, Reid, Southall, Lyons and so many more), but these days I unhappily think all but every so-called "professional footballer" has loyalty and commitment to himself as his only priority.

They're on mega-bucks for dross, and especially with us, during the entire 30+ year tenure of the allegedly convalescing "football guru" Moshiri openly, to the very welcoming pernicious and adversarial football-world, announced as his guiding genius seven hopeless seasons ago.

So, do we now have any genuine pros to take the field and then make their presence felt from start to finish in the manner you eloquently advocate?

Let's see.

Brian Wilkinson
153 Posted 20/10/2023 at 23:07:51
20/1 Branthwaite to score any time in 90 plus minutes tomorrow,

66/1 for the first goal, worse bets out there.

Mike Gaynes
154 Posted 21/10/2023 at 02:37:39
Who is this Storm Babet? New midfield signing? Recently promoted Championship referee? Financial guru for 777? Tory MP?
Steve Brown
155 Posted 21/10/2023 at 03:20:01
Storm Babet? Sounds like Klopp’s porno name.
Jim Lloyd
156 Posted 21/10/2023 at 05:19:47
Steve (135),

It's certainly not useless, mate! I couldn't remember Lady Granchester. I'd forgotten her name. It seemed to contribute to our years of falling behind Liverpool who were already becoming more successful than us. It seemed almost every season that they came ahead of us in the league and got in the Inter City Fairs Cup. There being only one team from the City allowed to compete.

I can remember being in their main stand at the Kop end, when Andre Kanchelskis scored two beauts, to see us beat them 2-1.

I was sitting next to a Red from Liverpool who said he had different people around him almost every match, mainly Norwegians! So we had a good natter and he was a good Red.

A couple of other times we won, was when our "reserves" beat them 4-0 in the '60s (that was a brilliant day!) and Kevin Ratcliffe's goal when we beat them 2-0. The ball seemed to bounce about 15 times and Grobbelaar dived right over it!

Barry (144),

Can you remember when Kenwright's partner Paul Gregg was trying to take over the club and he hoped (thought) that he could buy the club off Kenwright, who suddenly found that investor? ("The money's in the post!") Wasn't there a Lord Granchester who Gregg thought had given him his backing? Another sad day for us.

Anyway, back to today, I think we've got a decent side in the making, with, at last, at least 4 goal scorers in the side; and what looks like the makings of a good, fast and skilful midfield, with Garner in the middle with Onana and with McNeil and Harrison playing wide.

I'd like to see Doucouré up front with Calvert Lewin. Defence? Mykolenko and Patterson are both, "not quite there" yet but both are fast and can cross a ball.

I just hope we turn up and give them a game.

Mike Gaynes
157 Posted 21/10/2023 at 06:46:18
Topped me, Steve. Busting up laughing.
Mike Gaynes
160 Posted 21/10/2023 at 07:23:11
Nice article on Harrison in the Guardian on how playing in the US, particularly New York with Lampard, Pirlo and David Villa, built him into a top footballer.

And he says it was Lampard who, despite his ugly ending here, recommended he sign the loan deal with Everton.

Best quote: “I've no doubt in my mind I will not be relegated again but it is something that will always stick with me after last year. I never want it to happen again and it's a motivator for me to make sure it doesn't. Everton has a solid foundation and there's a lot of quality on the team. I know it is a loan deal but I am going to give it all I have got and see what happens.”

Jack Harrison: ‘Playing in New York gave me a different perspective’

Paul Hewitt
161 Posted 21/10/2023 at 07:23:23
Fully expecting to see Gana come back into midfield. With James Garner pushed out wide right.
Geoff Lambert
162 Posted 21/10/2023 at 07:55:14
Paul, I hope not, that's showing them negativity.

The same team needed and give them something to worry about — not park bus time and hope to nick a goal.

Danny O’Neill
163 Posted 21/10/2023 at 07:55:29
Andy King was my first. Okay, it was at Goodison. I'll watch that this morning. Everton are Magic. The iconic green banner.

Graeme Sharp and that goal as we sensed we were on to something special despite their dominance of the football landscape at the time.

Kevin Ratcliffe's daisy cutter squirming under Brucey Balls Up.

A trademark Gary Stevens driven to put us into the next round of the League Cup.

Kanchelskis taking over Anfield.

Kevin Campbell. We beat them when the odds were stacked.

Richarlison and Sigurdsson subjecting them to a 4th successive defeat under Ancelotti that sadly we didn't get to witness.

Few and far between, in most of my lifetime, we've always been fighting the odds, but I don't care. Anything is possible. In terms of today, the past can go and shite. It's about today.

Go to them, Blues. They wear the Devil's colour and they are satanic. I've touched my Rosary Beads, one from the Vatican, one from Bethlehem.

Apologies, it's days like this I get even more emotional than usual. The hormones are riding high.

Everton the Gear.

Danny O’Neill
164 Posted 21/10/2023 at 07:59:09
Jim @159,

I too was in their Main Stand for that one.

The Irish Liverpool supporter sat next to me suggested that I should support my City.

I won't repeat my response.

Paul Birmingham
165 Posted 21/10/2023 at 08:02:25
Forza, Everton Viva Santo Domingo, UTFTs - FTRS!
John Keating
166 Posted 21/10/2023 at 08:17:21
Had a pint last night with a lad who, in a way I agreed with, regarding best games seen. He was adamant it was the '84 win. I still maintained it was the Bayern Munich game.

However, we both agreed the best game seen, but not there, was the Brazil v Italy 1970 World Cup Final.

Tony Abrahams
167 Posted 21/10/2023 at 08:21:23
I had loved Everton since I first stepped inside Goodison, and saw that big beautiful green pitch, but I didn't realise what a powerful football club I supported until Andy King scored that goal, Danny.

When that goal went in, I had never been thrown so high in my life (still haven't ever been thrown higher) and I remember thinking I was going to end up going over the stand, but what noise, what elation and what absolutely pure unadulterated love, quite possibly brought about by that same unadulterated hate!

You can't always play well and win, but you can always work very hard and today has got to be one of those days. Fight, fight, fight, suck it up, and feed off the bitterness that will hopefully be coming from the Liverpool crowd. 💙

Steve Griffiths
168 Posted 21/10/2023 at 08:28:27
John, one of my first memories of watching live footy on the telly. My Dad rented (one for the oldies) our first colour telly (yes, T's were black & white only back in the day) and oh my, those canary yellow shirts.

What a game, what a 4th Brazilian goal, and what players they had. Pele, Tostoa, Gerson, Rivalino, Jarzinio & Clodaldo to name a few. Greatest team I have ever witnessed.

However, being at the Bayern game, watching Everton reach our first European final was special and only topped by the final itself imo.

Martin Farrington
170 Posted 21/10/2023 at 08:51:26
My dogs were good on their walk today so we should get a result.

(Caveat: Dyche doesn't instruct the players to follow the negative, defeatist, tactically inept plan he insisted on vs Arsenal) 😬😬😬😬


Alan McGuffog
171 Posted 21/10/2023 at 09:02:25
John, that was a great tournament in 1970. And of course we all had a nice glow from events earlier in May.

But an oft-overlooked game, in terms of energy to end action was the semi-final between Italy and West Germany... 4 - 3, possibly after extra time.

Paul Birmingham
172 Posted 21/10/2023 at 09:09:57
Those were the formative days for me, but possibly some of the best Everton teams contested those semi-finals.

Today, let's see Everton do, to the RS what Everton did to Villa or Brighton! Play without fear and believe.


Jim Lloyd
173 Posted 21/10/2023 at 09:12:57
Danny (164) Amazing really. The number of reds who don't know that they are our bastard offspring! Some of them where on a little tour around Anfield. They'd been to have a look at ours and were at Dixie's statue. We got talking as I walked through the park with them and they knew nothing at all about their history! So I told them...they were gob smacked!

About the greatest game, I think the Home game against Bayern was it for me. We were just brilliant that night, the supporters were just the best! We were in Gwladys St (not sure whether we had a roof right down to the front then, but it didn't matter, it was like a wall of sound. Mind you, I tyhionk the 66 Cup final ran it close! Never had a goalscored against us until... 2-0 down with less than half an hour to go in the Final.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man Mike Trebilcock scoring twice, then the last one! It' was like time stood still. Derek Temple going for a ball that their centre half was sure to trap...but he didn't! And Derek beating Ron Springett from about 20 yards! Just Mayhem with that bloke running on the pitch with the coppers after him and Brian Labone going over, once they'd got him, making sure they treated him right.

So I agree I think the best game I've seen was the Brazil versus Italy game, but we've had some great games ourselves.Even down to the wire for two seasons running, couldn't be beaten for high drama.

Mind you, my own facvourite moment was seeing Alex Young, who was about 5'9" outjump Brown, the SDpurs and scotland goalie, Maurice Norman who was about 7' tall and Dave McKay, one right dirty get, to rise as though his boots had springs in, and nod the ball home to win us the game, in front of around 60,000 supporters.

They were the last season's league champions, the press's darlings, and we went on to become the 1962/63 Champions, when we beat Fulham at Goodison 4-1 with a Roy Vernon hat trick.!

Danny O’Neill
174 Posted 21/10/2023 at 09:21:53
They are an addiction Tony and it's moments like that, which live with you forever. Here's for the next generation getting the moments they can pass on to their kids.

Interesting one Steve. Obviously a generational thing.

Bayern Munich at Goodison obviously sticks out, although I often think Howard and the team didn't get the praise for the first leg in Bayern where they done a job and set us up for the stage.

Wembley 84 and lifting the FA Cup has to be up there. I'd been told all of my young life that we were Everton and going to win a trophy. We did. And more.

I'll throw a random one out there, when we destroyed Arsenal 6-1 in the 85-86 season. We may not have won the league that season, but came very close. But it made me realise how good we were.

For very different reasons and circumstances, Palace when we secured survival. An absolute electric Goodison. The desire and passion rained down from the stands onto the pitch. The Palace supporters were in total admiration and almost joining in.

It is a shame how the derby has evolved in terms of supporters. I remember looking at the Kop from the away section and roughly you could draw a diagonal line. From right to left, it was about one third Everton.

The odd Mexican dance off at half time, but only one or two, no real trouble.

Anyway, let's go and get them.

I don't need to swear, but every single one of them.

They call us bitter. They are bitter. Always outraged, never embarrassed.

Jim Lloyd
175 Posted 21/10/2023 at 09:47:01
Always the victims, never to blame!

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