Be Careful What You Wish For

Other than taking a timely and welcome dig at this utterly banal cliche, it's not entirely clear what the purpose of this piece at KEIOC is really targetting...

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Paul Andrews
1 Posted 23/03/2013 at 08:00:12
I can't wait for this one to be on the table. KEIOC never make rash statements, they make sure they are 100% correct in their information before they put it out there.

There will be some arses squeaking in L4.

Patrick Murphy
2 Posted 23/03/2013 at 08:45:45
As you say, Paul, I'm pretty sure that KEIOC will have all their eyes dotted and tees crossed before issuing any information which they deem relevant to those interested in the club's condition. By the closing paragraphs, it would seem they are prepared for the spin machine to go into overdrive when whatever information they have is brought to a wider audience.

'The answers are being sought right now; far too many Evertonians have had enough of the absence of truth over Everton’s managed decline and want answers from those responsible within the club and outside it, those who earn a living with no questions asked and don't want to rock the boat.

We'd ask Evertonians to forget what will become the popular view when the evidence is published; the truth is all that matters.

We wait with anticipation and with a little trepidation.

Barry Rathbone
3 Posted 23/03/2013 at 08:40:10
If they have the goods on Kenwright and the board – publish and be damned!

Bit cryptic that last sentence about the "popular view"; I can only think fans' reaction to the unpalatable truth à la the Blue Union/Kenwright interview is occupying their minds.

Understandable given the "Shoot the messenger" attitude that prevails whenever any revelations are made – Hicks and Gilette would of had the life of Reilly here the way our fans are.

Gavin Ramejkis
4 Posted 23/03/2013 at 09:12:17
With the attitude of some of the sheeple BK et al could commit high treason and you'd still get WUMs rolling out "where's the proof" or those sagging tired lines "careful what you wish for", "he's a blue" or comparing him to other owners despite the clear fact that has no relevance whatsoever to Everton Football Club and BK and his board having already presiding over an absolute shambles of a business for over a decade.
Brian Williams
5 Posted 23/03/2013 at 09:33:40
I don't think the article signals that KEIOC have got, or are about to get, some new, hot-off-the-press evidence. I wish that was WAS the case.

I think it's merely an article giving the "feelings" that are prevailing at present... and have been for some considerable time to be honest.

Questions may indeed be getting asked... it doesn't mean they're going to be answered — not a lot of previous one's have, have they?

John Ford
6 Posted 23/03/2013 at 09:27:47
Kudos for the efforts of this group, but It seems a little self-indulgent to produce a separate article which amounts to 'hey we've got some killer news here, it's gonna make a right stink'. Or is it an attempt to set minds to the right wavelength ahead of this bombshell? I'm assuming that its summer before anything goes out?

As Barry says, publish and be damned, the more pressure on the board the better, and in season with the media focus on football is surely preferable.

Paul Andrews
7 Posted 23/03/2013 at 10:33:23
In my opinion, more and more of our fans are not accepting the crap they have habitually been spoon fed from the board and local media.

People are waking up to what is happening to our club. I look forward to the KEIOC report, and look forward to the fans who are unsure having their eyes opened to the shambles of a board who run our club.

Paul Jamieson
8 Posted 23/03/2013 at 17:56:42
Great how the keyboard warriors question what KEIOC are doing but I suppose it's easier to just offer an opinion than actually do something, No offence but actions will always speak louder than words.

I can't wait to hear what they're doing after Tyrrell got slaughtered by Stan Collymore. All sorts of rumours re battles with The Echo and with the club mismanagement...

I think they should publicise more what they're up to but I understand why they keep quiet, it's only just coming out about Kirkby and let's be honest our club look amateurs in a world of pros. The game's moved on, we're stuck with the Goodison version of Ratner's.

Patrick Murphy
9 Posted 23/03/2013 at 18:20:49
Paul, are you a member of KEOIC or Blue Union, If not what actions are you taking and is it working? What action would you like the 'keyboard warriors' to take?
Kevin Tully
10 Posted 23/03/2013 at 18:33:28
I read this piece when it was first published, and thought the "truth" may be in the public domain in a few years, when certain individuals had departed from the club.

If they have got some damning evidence on the loans, or interested parties about to go public, it will embarrass every journo in this country, as well as a few acolytes on here and Kipper.

As a few posters have pointed out, people do not like being made to look like fools, and will ignore all the evidence in front of their noses.

Richard Dodd
11 Posted 23/03/2013 at 18:54:10
The only effective thing any of us can do is withdraw our custom. Well, we ain't going to move our loyalty to another club and I don`t think tramping the streets did much good. So, however much you may hate the regime the truth is they`ve got us by the balls!

I'm just going to concentrate on supporting my team and let BK build his own funeral pyre!

Phil Bellis
12 Posted 23/03/2013 at 19:14:42
There's hope Richard, when even you, once so far up Bill's backside to earn the soubriquet "Suppository Doddy", now admit to being another well-meaning supporter duped by the actor.

The term used in that article — "managed decline" — is shockingly apposite.

Michael Kenrick
13 Posted 23/03/2013 at 19:11:46
Paul (#387) — you say: "it's only just coming out about Kirkby" — I thought it all came out at and before the Public Enquiry... thanks in no small measure to the excellent work of Colin and KEIOC.

It's good to have the story retold in that two-part feature (The Cost of Insanity) at These Football Times website recently, but I don't recall reading anything new about the Kirkby scam... Is that what you're talking about or have I missed something?

Richard Dodd
14 Posted 23/03/2013 at 19:23:33
Phil, is the author really saying Bill MEANT to fuck up?

That's hard to swallow; I think he's just a gross incompetent. Not that that excuses him, though!

Ross Edwards
15 Posted 23/03/2013 at 19:36:11
We are sadly in a decline which won't stop until we are free of Bill. We can't aim higher because he has a net worth of about 50p and little ambition to go for the top 4 and consistently fighting for cups whatsoever. If he had ambition and competence, he would have sacked Moyes years ago and moved us to a new stadium.

He and the board are a shambles; with him and Moyes seemingly in it for an even longer haul, we can forget fighting for top 4 next year as he can't afford the milk and Moyes is a tactically inept moron.

Kenwright and Moyes Out NOW!!!!!!

Phil Walling
16 Posted 23/03/2013 at 19:52:06
Ross: If Moyes is here next season, as I confidently predict he will be, it will prove my long-held belief that he and BB are a well-rehearsed double act.

Moyes has trousered the thick end of £25 million in his 11 years here and I don`t think Kenwright will be just admiring his manager`s wealth. He'll be looking for a return on his investment, believe me!

Michael Evans
17 Posted 23/03/2013 at 21:31:58
I'm not a Moyes 'apologist' and have always viewed BK's 'Greatest Evertonian of all time' act as highly suspect.

That said, my heart does go out to Coventry and Blackburn who must be wondering where it all went wrong.

Was it all much simpler with regard to the Moores and Carter eras? Or did we simply turn a blind eye because we were successful on the pitch?

Paul Andrews
18 Posted 24/03/2013 at 15:58:30
Phil Walling,

First we had the "I will wait to see where we finish in the cup and league before I decide"

We get knocked out of the cup then we get his spokesman saying "performance is irrelevant, transfer budget will determine if he signs."

I agree with you,I am 100 per cent certain he will sign regardless of "finishing position" or "transfer budget". He will look after his arse pocket first and foremost.

Gavin Ramejkis
19 Posted 24/03/2013 at 16:09:15
Michael re the Moores era, watch the very man's own words in Ken Loach's "The Golden Vision" where he explains about his investment into infrastructure and how its basically paying for itself. Moores was a rich benefactor for the club but he had it running as a business where he knew what made money and how it all worked as a machine, on the pitch put bums on seats, grow them and reap the rewards.

The Carter years were more of an old boys club starting point and the subsequent years including the start of the Sky reinvented game we have consistently missed every boat going. The latter years have been a very slow motion car crash which has been ignored by the media more interested in patronising tags like plucky little Everton and how we manage on a shoestring rather than how BK and his merry band of carpetbaggers have royally fucked it up and sit back waiting for a gravy train that ain't coming.

Patrick Murphy
20 Posted 24/03/2013 at 16:21:33
Gavin I think we've been on the gravy train for 21 years and are one of only about half-a-dozen clubs who have received the Sky money for that entire period, yet we have little or nothing to show for it.
Paul Jamieson
21 Posted 25/03/2013 at 15:34:18
Patrick (#390) — no, I'm not with KEIOC but have done a fair bit with the Blue Union. By their very nature, keyboard warriors do nothing; never have, never will. Some of the worst I've witnessed don't even go to the game or know where Goodison Park is. You can't beat talking to someone who knows the club inside out; keyboard warriors no nothing in my opinion.

Michael (#400) – sorry I took so long replying, only tend to look at tw in work, thanks for the email. I think you know the guys from KEIOC longer than me so you probably have the advantage, I know where they go before the match so I've had a cup of tea with Dave and them a few times and met them at meetings but they hardly talk about Kirkby so some of that is news to me, the story behind the planning group on Liverpool Council and stuff like that.

I still can't get my head around the size of the scam and how the board thought they could get away with telling the fans we were getting all that money off Tesco when it turned out to be a lie. I was asleep over Kirkby, the Blue Union woke me up.

Michael Kenrick
22 Posted 25/03/2013 at 15:54:20
Thanks, Paul.

You're right to call it a scam for it was nothing but... and I think it was important to have the story retold in that level of detail. I didn't have enough time to digest it last week but it really goes a long way to justify the concerns some (incredibly not all) fans have with the Kenwright regime.

What stood out for me was this quote from the Luvvie himself: "The first thing to say in terms of Kirkby is that the chapter is over and the book is closed. The motivation has only ever been to improve the finances of the football club." — As if the end justifies the thoroughly dishonest means employed to get there.

Patrick Murphy
23 Posted 25/03/2013 at 16:14:35
Paul thanks for answering my question and it's good to know that you are actively trying to achieve something, up to a point I agree that 'keyboard warriors' as you call them may not know the club inside out or may not attend Goodsion Park regularly if ever. However, I do think they help to articulate many fans' concerns and provide a platform for KEIOC and Blue Union et al to air their concerns to a wider audience.

Obviously it would be fantastic if as many of the people as possible who oppose the Club's hierarchy could be actively involved in groups such as Blue Union etc, but geography and finance play a mitigating role in preventing many people from becoming activists. I empathise with your concerns but I wouldn't dismiss out of hand those people who only have sites similar to ToffeeWeb to show their disapproval of the Board and general direction of the club.

I wish you good luck in your endeavors and I'm sure that in the end the facts and the truth will lead to more people joining groups such as Blue Union and KEIOC. Like every opposition group, it will take time, patience and hard work in what must sometimes seem to be a thankless task.

Mike Webb
24 Posted 26/03/2013 at 09:58:25
Kirkby was a means to an end. That end was to get a buyer to make a profit. Fortunately for us, it didn't happen as I feared Kirkby would have delivered lower revenue due to the myriad of potential access problems and a lack of secondary revenue opportunities.

Now in the absence of a Plan B, it's just stick a valuation of £180m on the club and hope someone bites. We'll still be waiting in another 13 years times.

These despots deserve no profit from their tenure, I wouldn't shed a tear if it bankrupted them, though sadly that won't happen — there's more to be sold off before it gets to that.

Karl Masters
25 Posted 26/03/2013 at 20:55:25
Depressing. I think this may mean that Moyes is going, the popular story will be that he has taken the club as far as he can, BK will be sad he goes, etc, etc, BUT the truth is that our useless fucking Board would not back him with any serious funds to buy players so he left ( signing a confidentiality clause to keep him silent but give him cash as is the Kenwright way ).
James Flynn
26 Posted 26/03/2013 at 21:52:22
Didn't I read this a couple weeks ago? What's new about it now?

And when I read it the first time, didn't occur to me some shocking new info was on the way. Read it more that "history will show..."

James Flynn
27 Posted 26/03/2013 at 21:56:54
By the way, shouldn't "keyboard warrior" go the way of "be careful what you wish for".

Living in the other half of the 2 countrys created, and maintain, freedom of the press; I think "keyboard warrior" is insulting. People say what they say because they are able to.

Unless, Paul Jamison, you're thought-producing your opinions into ToffeeWeb, you're a keyboard warrior too.

I'm for KEIOC, but they're as open to questioning as any other entity. Others aren't "keyboard warriors" because their thoughts contradict yours.


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