Column 40comments | Jump to last This article may have been recategorised and is therefore no longer available at this URL. You can try to find the updated link in the article archive. Share article: Reader Comments (40) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Darren Hind 1 Posted 06/10/2013 at 07:05:46 Yep fair enough Lyndon.The one thing you need when visiting these grounds is a strong referee, we got a shithouse.If Lukaku gets his penalty ( and having seen it half a dozen times, I still cant understand why he didnt) we could have gone in 2-1 up. . Cue Different game.Anyway, I spent the entire journey home moaning about players feeling sorry for themsleves throughout the second half and now I'm doing it meself.Fuck the spilt milk, we've got another 93 points to play for Zaid Omar 2 Posted 06/10/2013 at 07:39:21 Nice report Lyndon. Fair analysis. Overall, despite the dubious decisions, City were much better on the day. So much so that going into the last 10 minutes, I was hoping we didnt concede another couple more goals which would have really been demoralising. And to be honest City carved out some really good opportunities in the first half as wellWe need to put this behind us quickly and focus on the positives so far this season. With Barry, Pienaar still to return there is still reason for optimism... But a worrying sign is the fact that we have been conceding some really soft goals over the last few games. We need to tighten up quick. Paul Andrews 3 Posted 06/10/2013 at 07:46:55 The lack of protection from the midfield to our back four was the main reason for this defeat.If you allow players of the quality of Toure and Silva to get on the ball 30 yards from goal you will be in trouble.McCarthy excepted we offered no protection. Ian Bennett 4 Posted 06/10/2013 at 07:59:07 Our passing went to pot in the second half, along with our hopes. The class of Negredo, Silva, Toure, and Aguerro all told in the end, with City picking their best side adding the work rate of Milner into the mix. What you can do with £300m....McCarthy and Osman did pretty well in the first half, but got totally overrun in the second. Mirallas had another one of those games. He's a favourite of mine, but it's not quite working at the moment. Lukaku faded badly in the second, whilst players around him also struggled. I can't help but think it would have been more effective sticking Kone up with him.Not many sides will go to City and win. The Premiership doesn't have many teams of Bayern's ilk, whilst it was clearly a jump to far for us to win away from the old lady, yet. The referee was a complete homer, which Mark Halsey confirmed with his insights, but that is clutching at straws as City looked pretty comfortable in the end. Sam Hoare 5 Posted 06/10/2013 at 08:24:02 Can't afford to have an off day at places like the Etihad and players like Coleman, Mirallas and Barkley were far from their best.Shows how hard it will be to keep up in the league with the likes of City as well as probably Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal. Still get Gibson and Pienaar fit, Barry back in Lukaku a bit fitter and we have every chance of being up there. Ajay Gopal 6 Posted 06/10/2013 at 09:03:15 The front 5 of Barkley, Lukaku (goal apart), Mirallas, Osman and Naismith had a really bad day at office. Nothing that they did came off. If it hadn't been for McCarthy, we would have been totally over-run. With a couple of world-class mid-fielders around McCarthy (Barry is one of them) - we can really impose ourselves on teams. We desperately need a creative type to provide the opportunities to the front 3 of Barkley, Lukaku and Mirallas - a 'cheaper' Mesut Ozil, if you like. Sharabi Singh 7 Posted 06/10/2013 at 09:11:21 Regardless of the gulf in resources and bringing our champions league push back down to earth the referee did have a poor game. If only he had just been consistent the score would have been closer, admittedly yes we still would have lost. Man City are a top team and will best us at the Etihad more times than they will lose but it would be nice to be given a fair crack at the whip. Raymond Fox 8 Posted 06/10/2013 at 09:20:08 Nice report Lyndon, sums up my thoughts.We were short 3 maybe 4 class players, and was over run by a better side in second half.It was a reality check for us, I think we need a plan B against the top sides, it should be a lesson to be took on board.It will make us a better side in the future. Craig Fletcher 9 Posted 06/10/2013 at 09:43:32 Coleman especially had a mare yesterday; and I think we missed Barry and a fit Gibson in midfield (not to detract from McCarthy, who put in a very decent shift). I do wonder if Heitinga as defensive mid may have helped today, as at times McCarthy was overrun and having to do the work of two.The International break has come at the right time for us. Hopefully Gibson and Pienaar will recover from their injuries, and with Barry back we'll pretty much be back to full strength. Lets put yesterday's result behind us and plan for three points at home to Hull. Peter O'Connor 10 Posted 06/10/2013 at 10:54:56 Big gulf in quality.Rubbish ref.Our players aren't fit enough.We don't think quick enough.We don't move quick enough.Sulked when ref decisions go against us - something we do time and time again.Lack of fire in the belly.Otherwise we would have won.Would I rather have Moyes back .... er.... NO. Lee Robinson 11 Posted 06/10/2013 at 10:51:55 I don't think Coleman had a mare at all, he gave everything he could, I wish Baines was playing to his level of commitment and drive at the moment.At the end of the day we played them at a bad time, coming from 2 successive defeats, they were never going to lose 3 in a row. We went toe to toe with them first half and for me were the better team. Now that is something to be proud of and something we can take forward, especially when you look at there side. Our midfield was never going to cope for 90mins against an on song Silva and Toure and against a ref like that. Especially when the majority of our side didn't turn up. I think we needed Mirallas and Lukaku on top form today and they weren't. Second half Lukaku's hold up play was non existent, the ball bounced off Naismith and he gave the ball away, which couldn't compete against the stars of City, not rocket science.The better team won, it happens and I'm not surprised but there are many positives to be taken from this.I think Martinez knows where the weak spots are and will replace in Jan, something which should have been addressed a long time ago if we were to progress rather than stand still David Hallwood 12 Posted 06/10/2013 at 11:24:59 Great report Lyndon, and bang on the money about resources and class. For Everton to compete with the billionaires all the players have got to turn up. For instance Naismith, who I've always thought gets OTT abuse on this site may play a blinder (s) get MOM a couple of times but he will never be Aguero, and so it goes on.Personally I don't think we're that far away and we're better than 14-15 other teams but to be better than 17 will need lots of luck with injuries, suspensions form etc-oh and a ref better than the twat that we had yesterday, because we ain't got the money for the Aguero and Silva's of the world. Phil Friedman 13 Posted 06/10/2013 at 13:48:46 Let's be be honest, this loss was mostly down to Coleman. He's been great generally, but he was ball-watching on their first goal, lost it with Negredo and that lapse cost us the second, and although the penalty was very soft, he put himself in the position to have it be called. I like the lad, but he did seem intimidated playing in the Eithiad. Paul Andrews 14 Posted 06/10/2013 at 14:19:46 He had a very rare bad game.I don't think much would scare Seamus. Looking at past incidents, the last thing he would be is intimidated. Brent Stephens 15 Posted 06/10/2013 at 14:27:46 Phil #035 "although the penalty was very soft, he put himself in the position to have it be called"."in the position" - isn't that what marking up is all about? Or should we stand off the opposition? James Stewart 16 Posted 06/10/2013 at 14:46:44 Don't really agree with the title of this piece at all. Wasn't impressed by City at all. There certainly wasn't a gulf in class. With a ref like that there was no way we could have got anything from the game so you just have to chalk it up to one of those days. It wasn't like it was just the penalty call. Silva should have had 3 yellows and Zabeleta should have had 2. Negrado squares up to Coleman and he fails to stop play. They score. I could go on. It was a textbook example of the piss poor standard of refereeing these days. Phil Sammon 17 Posted 06/10/2013 at 14:48:39 Coleman wasn't on form and I was disappointed at his involvement in the Negredo incident, though he was clearly not the instigator. However I don't see how anyone can even slightly blame him for the penalty. It wasn't even a risky challenge. When footballers run side-by-side, they put their arms out. This happens literally hundreds of times every game. It was never a foul and the refs had a shocker. If it helps anyone sleep tonight, my mate gobbed on Jon Moss' car in 1996. Ross Edwards 18 Posted 06/10/2013 at 15:04:40 It also helps when you have a completely biased referee ruining the game. Jay Harris 19 Posted 06/10/2013 at 15:53:52 Negative comments about Coleman are very unfair IMO.He was the one player trying to get us back in the game and gave 100% throughout unlike Leighton who looks totally disinterested.If super Kev doesn't buck up I would consider bringing Stones in at RB and pushing Seamus up.Naismith for all his endeavor and workrate just doesn't have the technical ability to play at this level. David Price 20 Posted 06/10/2013 at 16:07:25 I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the red card Milner should have got instead of yellow. That and the two penalty calls made 3 big decisions went their way — not moaning just a fact that changed the game. Phil Sammon 21 Posted 06/10/2013 at 16:17:48 It wasn't a red card in a million years David. He went in very hard and got the ball. If one of our lads had walked for that I'd have been aghast. Tony Marsh 22 Posted 06/10/2013 at 16:20:08 I think we more than held our own first half and could of gone in at HT 2-1 up with City down to 10 men. What the fuck can you do when the 12th man is not the crowd but the referee? I don't care who you are and who you are playing, if the Ref has an agenda, you wont win. Tactics and gameplans become irrelevant and players' heads drop. There is no way City would've won yesterday if that snidey twat ref had any morals or backbone.Discuss away at your lesiure the merits of the City squad and quality players. Personally I think they had to do very little to win as the shithouse officals did it for them. It's enough to want to turn your back on the sport the way it's going. Bent and predictable. Michael Kenrick 23 Posted 06/10/2013 at 16:36:52 I agree with David, it was a horrible challenge. The only reason he 'got' the ball, as you say, is because his foot was so high coming in, and McCarthy chipped the ball up fractionally ahead of the challenge. I mentioned it as a red-card challenge as I saw it yesterday and it looks no different on replay. I also mentioned the other incidents in my summary. They were important for the effect they had on the psyche of our players — they should't have had that effect, as we know we have to play the referee as well in games like this. But by half-time, so many crucial calls had been more than favourable to the home side, this understandably affected our spirit and determination in the second half. That's what lost us the game — not this "knife to a gunfight" bollocks. We've shown we can go toe to toe with the moneybags sides, so let's not make that excuse anymore please. Linda Morrison 24 Posted 06/10/2013 at 16:57:10 Agree totally with David about the challenge, penalties etc. Don't be too hard on the players we really missed Barry and Gibson's not 100% fit yet. I think that Baines should be allowed to go in January, in today's press it states contract talks have stalled and apart from the free kicks he isn't the player he was his minds been turned and he wants away. He should have put in a transfer request like MFIf MU offer money plus a player they should take it Bill Gall 25 Posted 06/10/2013 at 16:47:17 A previous comment I made stated that watching the game yesterday City played the type of football that Martinez would like to duplicate but the problem is our midfield does not have the class of City. Yes, Everton does not have the finances that city have but we still insist on playing players who are no longer Premier League standard.The midfield consists of: (a) Gibson who will only play in 50% of games if he is lucky; (b) Osman & Naismith who to me are only fit for 30 or 40 min as subtitutes; and (c) Pienaar who so far this year we don't know how good he will be.Living in Canada I only get to watch the games on TV but, with Barkley establishing himself and McCarthy starting to show promise of a permanent position in the team, I would like to ask if there are any young players in the Under-18 or Under-21 teams that deserve a chance to become a 1st team midfield player that can improve on the players in (a) & (b). Mike Oates 27 Posted 06/10/2013 at 17:55:34 On reflection, and after initially having a real go at Coleman for his poor defensive performance, I now must also criticise Baines for his poor all round performance, particularly when with about 15 mins to go he just gave up, slowly wandering back, totally disinterested particularly with Deulofeu and Barkley's inability at that stage to pass the ball to a teammate only 10 yards away. He looks as though it finally dawned on him that that this side isn't up for it and he should have jumped ship with Fellaini. Paul Andrews 28 Posted 06/10/2013 at 19:46:02 Mike,Have you considered the anonymous performance of Mirallas? And the need for Baines to do both his and Mirallas's job?That resulted in one of the central midfielders having to tack across, leaving big gaps in central midfield. Brian Sharples 29 Posted 06/10/2013 at 19:56:02 After more than a year of Mirallas, I have to say he greatly disappoints me. Baines must be praying for the day Pienaar returns to provide some meaningful support on the left.Of course, we know what he is capable of but he flits in and out of games and is always a spent force after an hour. Unfortunately, Delboy looks to be of much the same ilk so I think a decent winger is already a January necessity. John Zapa 30 Posted 06/10/2013 at 20:10:24 Can't complain about the result. How many of that starting 11 would make it into City's starting 11? None. I don't think any would even make City's bench. Brent Stephens 31 Posted 06/10/2013 at 20:16:23 Mirallas also pulls out of a tackle too often. And he's not a small guy. Craig Fletcher 32 Posted 06/10/2013 at 23:35:05 Agree with Brian (153) re Baines - he has looked a shadow of himself recently (free kicks v West Ham aside) but it's no coincidence that with Pienaar out, we're a much-reduced attacking force down our left. Pienaar seems to bring the best out of Baines; and at times on Saturday Baines just looked exasparated and generally pissed off at his teamates. It wasn't so much that he couldn't be arsed, I think more disappointment that they weren't doing more to bring him into the game. Likewise, I think Miralles complements Coleman better down our right. Gavin McGarvey 33 Posted 06/10/2013 at 23:55:30 Not sure what's going on with Baines. I know him and Pienaar have a great understanding, but there seems to be a bit more to it than that. Does RM want him to go forward less? Is Pienaar's replacement not covering for him when he does? Even taking this into consideration it's strange watching Everton and not seeing Baines providing a threat from the wings. James Flynn 34 Posted 06/10/2013 at 23:40:40 More concerned we appear to run out of gas in the 2nd half. Don't like that. Clubs knew they had their hands full for 90 minutes when Everton was next up. What's happened?There's a schedule of 38 games. I don't want to hear about "transition". We need to get the 3 points. Now, not in 2015. David Ellis 35 Posted 07/10/2013 at 03:36:11 Lyndon - I agree with the report.I thought Coleman had a lot of good moments and outshone Baines (not for the first time).McCarthy seemed to put in a good shift and is a neat player that covers a lot of ground.Don't think the ref changed the result. Penalty was soft but Seamus tried to grab the guy with his arm. Its not allowed. We can't complain (but there were similar shouts at the other end which is disappointing).Overall there was a massive gap in class and I don't think adding Barry and Pienaar would have been enough to make up the difference. We are still a good side and carry a real threat in Barkley and Lukaku. But we are top 7 not top 4 at the moment. It was always going to be hard to get a win, but the manner of this defeat was very disappointing.Also Naismith - close control is just not up to standard. He's a trier and gets in good positions. But the way we try and pass it around too many moved break down with his inability to control it well enough. Phil Gardner 36 Posted 07/10/2013 at 11:29:09 Along with the EB's deconstruction, this was the best article I've read re the game.If RM can get the side's energy levels and tempo up to that of a DM team, we'll be laughing. Mirallas needs to improve in my book, he's one idle twat at times and needs to get more involved. We cannot afford many lads to have an off day and that, coupled with naivety and a buffoon in the middle, meant that there was only ever gonna be one outcome on Saturday. DM recognised that the one player that you cannot allow to stroll about unimpeded in this fixture, is Silva. RM didn't! Had the slimey little tosser been harried and maybe man-marked, he'd have probably seen a red card. Anyone remember the job done on him by Rodwell?Pienaar and Barry back, a rocket up Mirallas's hole, Gibson fit, Heitinga rejuvenated, Duffalo-Boy playing with a neck brace on so his head stays up, and we'll be too much for Hull. (Unless, of course, Bob Martin decides that Huddlestone deserves to be given a cigar and a guided, leisurely tour around Goodison by Messrs Osman and Naismith!) Tom Bowers 37 Posted 07/10/2013 at 11:59:59 Total agreement regarding back four protection. Most top teams have players who can get back quickly and tackle well in order to negate having the back four exposed. Everton haven't had a couple of good tacklers in that role since Carsley and Gravesen but alas both were a little slow. They do now have Gibson and Barry but will RM play both and will Gibson stay fit?The other players are not the best of tacklers although pretty good on offence. Until that problem is resolved then Everton will struggle to break the top four. Tony J Williams 38 Posted 07/10/2013 at 14:02:35 As mentioned above, it seems worrying that we are now no longer a 90 minute team any more. We seem knackered in the second half of games now.Is this down to training or more constant pressing of the opposition? James Allen 39 Posted 07/10/2013 at 19:42:07 Fair analysis... ref aside the first half way was half-decent.... However, is anyone else concerned with our second half performances recently? Fulham, Newcastle, West Ham, Man City and Norwich??? We don't seem to be as fit as we used to be... is all this training with the ball having a negative effect on our stamina? Bob Parrington 40 Posted 11/10/2013 at 02:22:23 James #323 - Perhaps Roberto is too kind with his half time talks?? Moyes was probably aggressively Scottish (except on occasions) thus waking them back up before they went back on the pitch. ????????? As I commented after the Newcastle game.... RM what did you say to the players at the HT break? Please don't do it again.Oh to have been a fly on the wall at one of Fergies' MU HT talks? Paul Gladwell 41 Posted 11/10/2013 at 07:25:39 Bob, by all accounts his half time team talk against West Ham was not nice and as for the Newcastle one, maybe people should question what team talk they gave as they came out a ten times better team, it does happen you know, we won't control 65% of every game! we could have scored a few more in that second half in between their wonder goal and a scruffy effort late on. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. About these ads , placement: 'Below Article Thumbnails', target_type: 'mix' }); Find out how to browse ad-free and support ToffeeWeb © ToffeeWeb