West Ham United vs Everton

One final chance to put a bit of respect on a totally dismal away record of just 4 wins and unbelievably just 2 away clean sheets all season!!!

I wonÂ’t hold my breath on anything other than a failed display again though with Martinez finding something "phenomenal" about it and then a few days later seeing the headline from one of our yes men "we wipe the slate clean and start again".

Yeah yeah wipe the slate clean and find a foundation rotting to the core!!

Hopefully we win but it wouldnÂ’t surprise me if we lost the final two games as weÂ’ve seemingly reverted back to our sideways, dull and toothless shite that proves that our Great Learner and Tactical Tweaker hasnÂ’t in fact done either.

Martinez was I stated on a previous thread yesterday is like a mad scientist , he has become that engrossed in experimental bullshit and tactics, thatÂ’s heÂ’s forgotten about the actual end results.

If itÂ’s not this total fascination he has with controlling possession just for the sake of it then itÂ’s the same with the players he brings in and younger players.

Atsu was another example, sign him last summer and what do we hear?? "he will catch fire in the latter part of the season"

Then upon signing McGeady we hear him drag out "next season we will see the best of him"

Then there was Lacina Traore.
Then there was a ready made excuse for Lukaku in the first few months of the season, it was "due to a lack of fitness and toe problem".

Now heÂ’s dragging out an excuse to buy time for Kone..

Its as though with Martinez itÂ’s always "the future or next season "

What about here and now???

He also signs older and sometimes injured players (Traore and possibly Kone). Under Martinez the squad has aged both naturally and through some of his purchases.

Finally, Alcaraz is worse than Nyarko. I only rate Brett Angel as worse than him.

If that is the case then whoever picks the team for the qualifier, stick with it all the way through,

Give the fringe players and youngsters some experiance.

Leave the first team to concentrate on a better start to the season, thats if we get the fair play slot,

1) Withdraw from the Asia Trophy

2) DonÂ’t accept the Fair Play Europa place

ItÂ’s common sense. Although our manager doesnÂ’t seem to have that...

But this season has taken the enthusiasm out of me. I always want us to win, but for the first time I couldnÂ’t care if we donÂ’t. LetÂ’s just get this over with.

Given how disastrous this season has been, I canÂ’t help thinking a year concentrating on the Premier League would do us the world of good.

Two comics together, one means to be funny the other...

If this is the case or even if it isnÂ’t, I still want Martinez out asap. The football has been rubbish
this season. ItÂ’s got to change big time and very soon.

WeÂ’ll only tolerate shite durge tactics and below par effort for so long.

I think the time has come to emulate the fans of the nineties. They voted with their feet and hit the club right where it hurts. Nothing says more to the tv companies when they televise a half empty ground.

That will say more than any protest march. (march and protest as well though)

I have never been as downhearted over the club IÂ’ve loved and supported, as I am now.

I was chosen when Alan Ball and big Joe were in their pomp so thatÂ’s how long IÂ’ve been at it.

Anyway moan over,

thanks.

Phil #29 can totally understand why you wont watch anymore....however I have been daft enough to renew my season ticket for next season. Guess I must be a serious masochist.

I have given up hoping for the best next season....on the bright side, anything other than a disaster will be a bonus

Martinez out now.

Still, I donÂ’t fancy us with Baines out, but the Master McGeady could be back so the seasons saved - canÂ’t resist joining in and having a dig at RM. It really has been a shite season.

I for one hope we do qualify for Europe via the Fair Play extra place, looking at some of the teams that we could play in the 1st couple of rounds I reckon you could get 11 lads out of the Lower Gwladys and the Park End who could beat them!

Good to know what is what though, cheers.

Like the rest of you, IÂ’m hoping for a win... but either way IÂ’m just dreading the inevitability of next season with RM at the helm. Would a 7-0 defeat see him out the door early? I could never root for an Everton loss... IÂ’m just dying to get this managerÂ’s reign over with.

IsnÂ’t that the most depressing thing of all though, Paul, that Martinez doesnÂ’t learn from his mistakes.

I could accept this seasonÂ’s poor showing if it looked as though Martinez were planning ahead. Sadly I see none of that.

The fact that Mcgeady gets a mention from our phenomenal manager means he is likely to play a part at West Ham,god help us.

For the first time last week I left after the 2nd goal went in,the lads sat around me also headed to the exits,a sad indictment that the majority of fans have had a belly full of RM & our poor performances.

Sunderland were appalling in the 1st half but once they got into the dressing room at half time,Dick had got onto the fact that we are quite shit so instead of grinding out a point,"we can piss 3 points here against this lot" was his team talk,simple really,as proved.

RM has destroyed me as a fan this season. We have all been subjected to awful periods from the past 25 years,this time from a personal point of view is the tipping point.

Prediction for tomorrow....1:0 to West Ham.....no subs till 85th minute.....Lukaku looking like the 5 million pound signing that he should have cost....etc etc etc...turgid boring phenomenal bollocks.

Difficult one to call this. I expect it to be as close as the two cup games, hopefully it will be our turn to be lucky.

It will be interesting to see which of us it will be.

I reckon weÂ’ll win 5-2 (yellow cards that is)

Our current ambition is capped at Europa league with the financial outlay that we have got. We are a 5th-7th placed team at best, with the top 5 jostling for those top 4 spots every season. Even top 5 looks a problem with Liverpool, Spurs able to outspend and West Ham looking like they can get into the bracket once in the Olympic Stadium.

Our best chance of champions league is via the Europa league. Treat it as a good preseason for the fringe players and have a go. Robles, Galloway, Ledson, Garbutt, Browning, etc plus the injured players that need to get back could all be given a go. It isnÂ’t as competitive as the EPL, so chuck them in.

That said, itÂ’s a fun away day and IÂ’m looking forward to it as the sun is shining in London and love em or loathe em, thereÂ’s always good banter with the West Ham fans.

Martinez out

We used to rightfully have expectations of challenging for a top 4 finish each season. Survival next season is the target now it seems. Of course we could just get rid of a manager who has no track record of managing a consistently successful team and contradicts himself nearly ever time he opens his mouth. Get a quality, proven manager who talks sense and understands our fans want to see fast paced, attacking football that delivers results and excites us fans.

I donÂ’t think we will do any better next season if Relegation Roberto remains. Alas, I fear we will have to suffer the same shite until BK sees the light.

Good luck, lads, I hope the Blues win for them.

When you see this kid play it will become apparent why Garbutt is not being offered a big contract to stay.