Idrissa Gueye made his senior competitive debut for Everton
Everton 1 - 1 Tottenham Hotspur
Everton's 2016-17 Premier League campaign kicks off with a tough assignment against last season's 3rd-place finishers at Goodison Park.
Ronald Koeman's first team selection for Everton is hampered by Coleman missing out with a knock, and Romelu Lukaku is also out with an ankle injury he picked up against Espanyol. No place for new signing Ashley Williams, who is way behind in pre-season preparation but Idrissa Gueye makes his debut for Everton.
Spurs kicked off but soon conceded a free-kick that stalled down the right as the early play was particularly scrappy. Barkley tried to advance to the byeline but Wanyama had the measure of him. Holgate in a back three called upon to clear decisively early on.
Wanyama took out Mirallas conceding a free-kick a fair way out that Barkley curled over everyone, it bounced almost in slow motion in fornt of the diving Lloris who totally missed it s the ball bounce up inside the post and the Park End net. Great start for Everton and Ross Barkley!
Spurs responded with some determined attacking and blocks were required, especially from Jagielka. Deulofeu got forward well and cut inside but rather scuffed his low shot at Loris.
Everton conceded possession for a spell but then moved the ball around nicely until the loose forward ball into the Spurs area. Blues were forced to indulge in some pass the parcel around the back to retain possession, Wanyama getting called for another clip on Mirallas, and another free-kick opportunity but this one well out, yet fired in brightly by Barkley and headed on well by Jagielka, forcing the save from Lloris.
Kane was penalized, perhaps unjustly, for a strong shoulder-barge that sent Funes Mori flying, and once again, Everton stoked the ball around nicely, a tremendous cross in from Baines that Barkley got underneath rather, under some defensive pressure.
Spurs persisted in driving down the middle but the Blues were defending well, and denying them space, with Holgate looking very good. Deulofeu got loose and played the ball forward for Mirallas, both down the right, but his low shot was straight at Lloris when more invention was required on the shot.
The standard of football overall was already an order of magnitude better than the garbage Martinez had served up for the understandably critical Goodison crowd, with far better tempo and good defensive shape to keep Spurs in check.
More Spurs pressure but it was kept at distance, with Eriksen finally making a shooting at Skekelenburg. Some excellent distribution from Funes Mori almost put Lloris in trouble with Deulofeu prowling, and then picked out Barkley well on the edge of the area. /p>
Spurs tried to get the ball forward earlier and almost caught the Blues out but Gueye was alert to the danger. Deulofeu got a chance to run at the Spurs defence but was both indecisive and selfish, missing a ball to Barkley. He did better on the next attack but it was Barkley's touch that was too heavy.
Michel Vorm was a surprise change, the Spurs keeper Lloris coming off at 35 mins, with a hamstring problem.
Alli ran at Jagielka but it was like running at a brick wall, such was the control of the Everton skipper. Mirallas then did well to steal the ball and retain possession through Stekelenburg, with Holgate pumping a great ball forward down the right.
The pace slackened somewhat ahead of half-time, Spurs playing the game at walking pace, the Blues forming an organized defence in front of them. Deulofeu again had a chance to run at Spurs but could not beat Dier.
Deulofeu got one on a plate when he anticipated a poor backpass but his execution was nowhere near smart enough, giving Vorm the opportunity to block it away. It ended an excellent half from Everton nevertheless.
Spurs edged possession in the first half ans that's how things continued as they game resumed but Everton were still too strong for them in defence and Barkely was able to break strongly, feeding Deulofeu who could not beat Dier but won the first of three corners that were delivered well by Mirallas.
McCarthy fed Deulofeu with good movement but again his run in was thwarted too easily. He then took a poke from the edge of the area that Vorm collected easily, when a pass would have been the better choice.
Spurs second switch was surprisingly the excellent Dier, scarified for another striker, Janssen. It led to a better play from Spurs, and a setup for Alli who fired high and wide. At the other end, Mirallas tried a snapshot onto the top corner that had the power taken out of it via a deflection, allowing Vorm to save with ease.
But a superb cross in from Walker, a fine header from Lamela and Spurs were level. So much for all that good defensive structure and discipline. So much for all those chances squandered by Deulofeu.
Spurs looked much brighter and full of energy., as the Blues struggled to restrain them. But Deulofeu did feed a nice ball to Mirallas on the run but the Belgian could not dig out the shot. No-ne on the bench who could do much different for Everton, as Koeman looked on impassively, with Spurs threatening to turn the Blues over.
Barry looked to release Deulofeu but he had strayed offside, and was visibly starting to fade after 65 mins, finding himself offside again. Time for Arouna Kone, perhaps? Yes, the change was made on 68 minutes.
Gueye was far too easily disposed in the middle but it was mopped up. However, the game was being played almost entirely in the Everton half, Janssen winning a corner headed away well by Barkley. Back came Spurs but Gueye did well to break up play and set Kone free, then get into the Spurs box for the return ball. Funes Mori tried his shooting skills from some distance, drifting wide with Vorm scrambling.
The Blues won a free-kick similar to Barkely's scoring one, but his execution this time was poor, unable to clear the first lone defender. The 70% fitness comment seemed to be all too accurate, as Lennon replaced Mirallas, who had sadly produced no end-product to speak of despite putting in some effort.
Everton had seemingly weathered Spurs' peak post-goal impetus and now set about holding on for the draw. They almost gave one up off a Spurs corner, Stekelenburg producing a magnificent point-blank save off Janssen. But it was all Spurs pressure into the final 10 minutes, Barry upending Rose dangerously on the edge of the Everton penalty box. Eriksen curled it well enough but just over Stekelenburg and over the bar.
Lamela got free doen the right and a supeb block defelced it, nmaking the save by Stek extremely difficult as he pushed oit up onto the bar and away. But pressure from corners was intense, as Koeman made the final change: Cleverley on for Barry.
Kone did well to release Barkley but he almost stopped and crossed a lame ball before going down with cramp. All hands at the back as Spurs kept coming forward, and another corner to defend, headed away by Barkley.
Into 3 minutes of added time, and the Blues able to play some possession football to relieve the pressure, and play down the clock, clinging to a vital point that should really have been three with better finishing from some good opportunities. But most will be happy that Spurs did not win this one.
Holgate, Jagielka, Funes Mori;
McCarthy, Gueye, Barry (84' Cleverley), Baines;
Deulofeu (68' Kone), Mirallas (77' Lennon).
Subs not used: Robles, Galloway, Davies, Oviedo.
Tottenham Hotspur: Lloris (35' Vorm), Rose, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Walker, Wanyama, Lamela, Eriksen, Dier (56' Janssen), Dele Alli, Kane
Subs not Used: Mason, Onomah, Winks, Davies, Carter-Vickers.
Referee: Martin Atkinson
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1 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:07:58
3 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:10:57
Looks like a very unbalanced side.
4 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:21:03
8 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:28:59
9 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:32:07
11 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:38:25
Still looks a good solid MF something we have lacked so hopefully we can sneak one or two.
12 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:58:21
Could work though. Lukaku still has stitches in the back of his ankle.
If he had of played it would probably have opened up again.
14 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:59:04
15 Posted 13/08/2016 at 14:59:27
16 Posted 13/08/2016 at 15:13:30
18 Posted 13/08/2016 at 15:50:08
20 Posted 13/08/2016 at 15:52:36
- Gueye was excellent. What a little bag of energy. And quality!
- Delivery. 3 years of shit deliveries from set pieces. Somebody has told them to beat the first man.
- Deulofeu. Terrible finisher and needs to up his work rate...but he has surprised me. Retained possession really well.
- Lots of shit haircuts
21 Posted 13/08/2016 at 15:55:13
Nice to see the team have listened to those 9 magic words from Ronald.
DO NOT FART AROUND, GET RID OF THE BALL.
McCarthy & Jags look like different players this year.
22 Posted 13/08/2016 at 16:02:22
23 Posted 13/08/2016 at 16:21:25
The golden retriever bounds away.
24 Posted 13/08/2016 at 16:55:59
Spurs were decent second half, and Stek made some great saves. The new lad Gueye was superb, and Kone is available on a free to the first club to ring us on Monday
25 Posted 13/08/2016 at 16:58:27
26 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:00:53
28 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:02:10
29 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:02:10
The subs offered little to help but by then all 10 outfield players were tired. We need new players quick and Lukaku back. Bolasie came on for last 25 for Palace and Kone starts for Sunderland. But as well as the front 3 played we need more attacking options fast.
31 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:05:30
32 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:10:43
33 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:11:13
That's partly because he spent most of the match chasing shadows, as opposed to the Spurs players who had most of the possession and could rest on the ball.
34 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:11:46
Its of no surprise that the players Koeman brought in were by far the better performers, in what was an uninspiring display, and the goalkeeper actually kept us in the game.
Let's not get carried away by Barkley's over-hit free kick. Mirallas and Deulofeu were back to their prancing best. You have to know how bad you are when you are replaced by Aroune KonÃ©.
As he himself, in a like-for-like substitution could find himself being replaced by 'traffic KonÃ©'!
I can't wait for the new acquisitions and the big clear-out.
35 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:12:51
Deulofeu was no different to what he has always been. Poor execution of the critical final ball, missed some crucial chances that would have won us the game. Simply not good enough for me. Mirallas was just the same as he has always been; no end product.
Defense better but guess what: we surrender a headed goal to a good cross swung in. Exactly the problem last season.
Martinez may have gone but his miserable legacy remains and it is going to take a lot to shake off.
36 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:16:52
We were pegged back by a good Spurs goal. Still a few players short and faded at the end, but few (if any) comp in second half, but few complaints (if any) with the players that were out there today. Got a sense that there is a little more to come from Barkley this year.
Well done, Mason, on decent game. Two very good saves from keeper.
37 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:19:16
Exactly. Mirallas and Deulofeu should have been given a shovel... to lean on. They had their hands on their hips a lot... a sure sign of fatigue.
Mirallas even had his hands on his hips just before he delivered a corner.
38 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:22:20
Hopefully we DO get in 4 more players. Both Barry & Jags faded badly but then it is not surprising because of their age.
To think at one time we were linked with Janssen, instead we got Niasse.
Good performance from Stekelenburg, Gueye & Holgate (despite him getting caught out).
39 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:23:36
We needed our keeper to save us on multiple occasions, and our sole goal was from a fluke free kick that made ya way through the box untouched.
40 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:23:51
Fitness was a concern as we were under the cosh for the last 15 minutes with Spurs building up a head of steam. Good point at the end but could easily have been 3.
41 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:24:46
Nice to see some energy and purpose from the players. Now let's get more quality. Like the look of the two new signings today.
42 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:25:46
Conceding a header to an excellent cross that was poorly defended by a young centre back will happen when you are forced to rely on youth. Holgate will learn.
Offensively in the first half we were excellent, and I'm still confused/stunned how well Deulofeu led the line considering he is absolutely not a centre forward. Admittedly he missed chances, but so does every forward.
That there was as promising a performance as you could realistically ask for after a very tepid preseason, and the terrible previous season.
43 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:26:23
Personally I'm made up with the result and the effort, also idrissa Gueye was superb and Stekelenburg very good, some decent signings in the next few weeks and we will have a lot to look forward to.
44 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:28:48
We should be competing to be better than Spurs, not being thrilled that they didn't beat us, at our own ground.
45 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:29:11
PS Crap cast-off goalie looked ok to me
46 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:36:09
Young Holgate did excellently and Gueye was outstanding. Shame we couldn't have seen out the win but it's still a huge improvement under Koeman.
47 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:42:14
I think people being happy at the result is more to do with the circumstances than it being Spurs.
We have undergone massive upheaval, we are implementing a style change and had 2 debutantes and adopted an untried formation of 3 centre backs, one being a youngster, with our top scorer out... against a team that were disappointed to finish 3rd, whereas we were possibly flattered by an 11th placed finish. So I guess we should have been expecting a 4-0 home win!?
48 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:43:52
Well, enough of that shit already. This is the start of a new era... We are Everton!
49 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:44:39
For a team that finished 11th last season, playing without a recognised striker, and still short of up to four first team players (transfers in) with a new manager against one of the top three teams of last season we did more than okay.
We bossed the first half but admittedly tired in the second, but last season we'd have lost that game without a doubt.
If that was 70% fit then I can't wait for 100%.
50 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:45:54
Why not bring on Tom Davies? This lad will chase the paper bag for 90 mins but that's okay, 1 point with a 70% team lacking Coleman, (Lukaku is no miss) so onwards to WBA and 100% fitness.
51 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:46:04
We defended and were wasting to hang on to a draw at home. That to me is unacceptable.
52 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:47:09
Spurs are a very good team and it wasn't any surprise they upped their game 2nd half. You might be pissed off but Koeman was very pleased when interviewed after the match, I think he knows more than you.
Oh and one other thing, a 'fluke' free kick, you must be fucking kidding.
53 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:51:12
Things are looking up already with a draw!
54 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:52:15
It's that attitude that has allowed Everton to be satisfied with just hanging around. And it was a fluke free kick, it bounced in the box after missing everyone's head and the keeper was frozen to the ground expecting someone to get a head on it. It was a cross that bounced it's way in, not a shot.
The team worked hard and ran around closing down in the first half. That's expected. Second half we offered just about nothing going forward. That would not be acceptable at City, Spurs, United, Chelsea or Arsenal. To say it's acceptable at Everton is a disgrace. Not good enough, hanging on for a draw at home.
55 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:52:40
I fully desire Everton to challenge at the top table. I don't accepted that drawing with the team that finished third and almost won the league is some kind of unacceptable result.
Coming off the back of a terrible season, the promise the defence showed today whilst still looking dangerous offensively, without our main striker and still playing three defensive mids, gave me massive encouragement that I don't have to accept a draw with Spurs as a good result all season.
But to start with. After a poor preseason. Without, what is considered a consensus, the required signings. On the back of two of the worst seasons we've had in a decade. This. This was progress.
And if I see more of the same we will definitely finish higher than last season and it gives me a greater belief in the 'Koeman project' than I had before.
56 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:53:29
We seriously need reinforcements up front as Deulofeu and Barkley are too lightweight to be out and out strikers.
Holgate played reasonably well but in the second half, whether by design or by accident, found himself drifting into the middle leaving the wing exposed and McCarthy having to cover as full back. It suggests to me that Koeman will go with three centre backs when Williams is fit.
All in all, a good battling performance. We'd have lost that game last season.
57 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:56:49
Love your passion but think you're being unrealistic to be honest.
58 Posted 13/08/2016 at 17:57:49
I believe circumstances and excuses are different things. You Say we should have already strengthened the side, I would say we have! Stekelenburg and Gueye look excellent to be fair.
But ask yourself this, why would top layers who can get into a Champions League team choose Everton at the moment? If they did, then it would be for the money and that would, for me, be the wrong type of player!
Yes, I would have liked a win today, but the reality is we are rebuilding not just a team but a whole club. New majority shareholder, new manager, new assistant, new fitness coach, new director of football, new training techniques, new players and a new way of playing after 3 years of ingrained habits. Things will not suddenly go amazing overnight.
In the general scope of things, Koeman has had no time whatsoever. How long did it take Kendall and Ferguson to get things right? Did Man City become a power overnight?
For me, that was okay today given all I have mentioned. My expectations in life are that I should be spending my Saturdays with 2 or 3 hot models satisfying my every sordid whim, but here I am replying to you!!!
Anyways it is all about opinion!
60 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:05:07
What's wrong with you man? :-)
61 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:07:19
62 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:07:50
We are coming off a very poor season, have a new manager, are going to have a squad that will look a lot different on September 3rd. With coaching changes, the way we play changes which means we will have to be patient as there will be ups and downs.
On paper, we had a tough game against very difficult opposition today, we drew 1-1 which given the circumstances was a good result, but you expect us to play them off the park, get real FFS!
63 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:08:21
Bolasie and a striker and I reckon we'll be OK.
64 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:09:00
65 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:21:13
It was a superb cross that ended up in the net, not a shot. If something that is not a shot ends up as a goal with nobody touching it, that's a fluke. Or did you think Howard's goal years ago where the wind carried it all the way down the pitch and into the net was not a fluke?
There's no abuse being shouted. Drawing at home while having to defend most of the match is not acceptable at Everton. The last 2 seasons were not acceptable. Everyone knew what date the first match would be, and who was under contract. Just as it was obvious that Niasse is not good enough, so should it be that neither is Kone.
Guardiola is the new manager at City, they haven't lowered their expectations because of that. They've only increased expectations. Mourinho is the new manager at United. They have increased expectations, to win he league, in his first season. The board has been telling supporters for 15 years now that it's a project. Enough is enough. We should win at home. We should not be defending for dear life.
66 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:21:59
We defended really well and the new keeper only really had to make one very good save late on. We competed in midfield but ran out of steam late on but the manager has recognised the need to improve fitness.
Rome wasn't built in a day ffs! This will take a while and that was a good result considering the previous two seasons. Gana was very impressive in midfield and looks a bargain at ٥m. People need to get real, this is not 1984-85!
67 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:22:27
The first half was an encouraging glimpse of what RK will bring to the team. Good shape and defensive solidity. Energy and a higher pressing game. A desire to play the ball forward frequently and quickly.
This was achieved with a makeshift side playing an unfamiliar formation against a team that could have won the title last season. None of the starting XI let the side down today. The (already...) much maligned 'cheap, rejects' Gueye and Stekelenburg were standouts.
As honestly anticipated by Koeman, fitness is an issue as the way the team faded in the 2nd half demonstrated. I have no doubts this will be remedied by RK very quickly.
Yes, Geri should have given us a more comfortable lead on the stroke of half time, but otherwise he had a fine game Yes, it was disappointing how we again conceded from a cross and header into the box, but Holgate will learn from this.
For the likes of Michael Kenrick and David Barks to imply any blue expressing any sort of satisfaction with the game are brainwashed Moyesites is nonsensical.
I anticipate evolution, not revolution, under the stewardship of Moshiri and Koeman. That is not meekly accepting mid-table mediocrity. I desperately want Everton to lift silverware again. I'm not going to pout and shout my dissatisfacton with the new order after the single opening game of a new season.
68 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:26:09
Okay. And we wonder why the Board never feels pressure to actually invest and move this club forward, and that Spurs have passed us by, along with City, and we haven't won a trophy in over 20 years.
69 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:29:35
We played well in the first half but in the second half we had to defend when Spurs stepped it up and attacked us more and we tired late on. The way the game actually went it was a good point. In some peoples' fantasy world we should be winning 5-0 every week despite the evidence of the past couple of seasons.
As I said before, get real. There are other teams in this league who are better than us and Spurs are one of them. It was a good point the way the game panned out!
We will no doubt win other games this season when we don't deserve to. I personally look for progress from last season and I definitely saw that today. Last season we were totally outplayed by Spurs at home and somehow scraped a draw. Today was infinitely better than that.
70 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:31:23
71 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:34:08
Upfront we have big problems with us needing at least one striker, maybe two. Keeper doesn't look a priority unless we can get a top target. And right back can be covered if we keep 3-5-2.
Minimum targets - striker, left wing, play maker and centre back.
72 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:36:21
Overall, plenty of encouraging signs. I thought Everton would score in the first 9 minutes of the second half with the series of corners put in by Super Kev.
Everton's play looked more positive and forwards. Like it so far but get three next game. (3 goals and 3 points).
73 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:39:34
Is Barks a surname or a verb? Just joking mate!
I can understand your frustrations and we all wanna be competing with City etc. but after the Martinez debacle, with an eye on reality, what were/are your expectations and what was/is the timeline?
74 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:40:15
75 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:42:45
The only time we were really on the defensive was after they scored and they got their tales up. Before that, Stekelenburg had very little to do. They scored in the 67th minute, so your claim that we were defending most of the game is complete horseshit.
76 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:44:49
With the team he was forced to field, for the first 55 mins we bossed it, and should have been 2 up, if Deulofeu had scored that sitter.
Spurs are quality and at 1- 0 were always going to come at us; overall, I'm happy with that.We probably should have won, but a hard match out of the way and we are unbeaten!!!
77 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:50:29
It's going to take a little longer than some may think to rid this squad of some of its bad habits and to alter the mind-sets of some of the players. Good points, the Keeper, Gueye, Jagielka and Holgate. Bad points, the usual suspects Barkley, Del Boy and a few others who flatter to deceive and last of all Kone who has lost all confidence in his ability to be a Premier League footballer.
First point and goal on the board let's see what we can glean from the Hawthorns.
78 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:50:47
"So much for all those chances squandered by Deulofeu."
That's just shite. The boy ran tirelessly and held the ball up excellently for his size. His one on one had no space and he tried to put it the only place he could. It was excellent goalkeeping.
Great performance; they just got tired. A few more weeks and a few new additions and this side is a different prospect.
79 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:51:42
With better finishing we might have been 2 up at the break and I think it would have been a different game.
The level of fitness was very poor, Gana, Holgate and Mirallas excepted. Barks, Geri and Baines were gasping early in the second half and Mccarthy hardly got forward.
Stand outs: Gueye - looking like a steal, Stek - looking like a steal, and Holgate - looking like a steal.
Combined transfer cost 9m. One in the eye for those who think we should be spunking squillions on their Football Manager wank dreams.
80 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:52:55
Our play was spent closing them down and trying to counter attack. We were set up to counter attack. They had most of he possession. The last third of the game was all them pressing us and threatening our goal.
We had chances in the first half and didn't take them. We didn't take them in part because we started without a recognized striker, because we have failed to buy one despite knowing it was a need. We played with 5 at the back and an additional two defensive midfielders, at home.
We hung on at the end. We didn't win. I expect us to win at home. And I expect us to be the team going for the win, taking it to the opposition at home. We started with only three attacking players, no striker. One of the reasons why our keeper had relatively little to do in the first half was that we were playing with so many defenders on he pitch, and closing them down. I expect more from Everton in our home opener.
82 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:54:50
He said Deulofeu should have put us two-nil up at half -time and then ' .. we could have looked to close the game out ."
I was happy to hear that .Imagine that - an Everton manager wanting to close a game out.
Pragmatism wins you far more than romanticism .
83 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:54:57
Much better display, solid defence good organisation and better energy and shape, particularly in the first half. This is the sort of game that we could well have lost last season.
It was a makeshift team missing some key players but they acquitted themselves well. 3 centre halves with McCarthy playing as a defensive wing back it was basically a defensive set up, with no centre forwards and a solid midfield in front of the defence. Given the circumstances, lack of fitness etc, it was a decent performance against a strong side.
Strengths on the day- Defensive organisation, Holgate looks a prospect and Jags did what Jags does. Stekelenberg had a good game with a couple of excellent saves and Barry covered and organised as usual. Gana was a breath of fresh air and looks a steal.
Problems on the day- fitness was as poor as RK said, clearly not one given to bullshit, Mirallas and Deulofeu buzzed and ran and did their best but it was a thankless task they had. Clearly attacking reinforcements needed and quickly. Not much on the bench.
First half better than the second when they ran out of steam with nothing on the bench to freshen or change things.
Overall a workmanlike performance and a deserved point.
I'm not sure what people expect if they thought it would be any different on the day.
Encouraging was the thing I took from the performance.
84 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:57:59
Okay, so we tired in the second half, had no strikers worthy of the name and fitness is clearly an issue but the result could have been a hell of a lot worse.
85 Posted 13/08/2016 at 18:59:14
The fact that we could have lost it near the end was mostly down to fatigue on our part. The manager certainly lacked options from the bench... oh for a couple of strikers!
86 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:00:33
Team needs to continue working on fitness over the coming days and hopefully we'll get the Lukaku situation sorted asap and a couple more faces will come in. All-in-all, a decent start and good signs that the Koeman method's getting through.
Gueye and Stekelenburg gave two very decent debuts too.
Defoe just equalised for Sunderland, Guadiola's going to find out quick he's not in a one or two team league!
88 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:02:22
89 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:03:35
A draw against Spurs was a good result, considering we had a winger playing upfront. No more tippy-tappy football, and the players gave everything, with and without the ball. Also, Koeman brought on 3 subs!!
90 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:03:53
Really happy with the start to Koeman's reign and love his post match comments about Barkley becoming a great if he can up his work rate and improve defensively.
None of the Martinez drivel and late collapse which is reassuring and whilst
I wasn't expecting much from his 1st season if he can add a few quality players we could have a good season.
91 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:04:39
No, it's not 'brilliant', but it's a decent start given the problems we've had. I can't see any reason to be downcast, since the strong likelihood is that we'll improve, whether it's slow or rapid no one knows.
Not sure how we could reasonably ask for more at this stage. I'm not a fan of mediocrity, I was raised on Alex Young and Alan Ball, so naturally expect a lot from Everton, and I see this as a start, hopefully of something big.
92 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:05:44
93 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:11:47
But when you keep saying that it's good considering we started with a winger up top, who's bloody fault is that? The club has known for months that a striker is needed. To date we've signed one DM and one GK. You're missing the bigger picture, that the team is under prepared. And that is a trait of the club in general, not the new manager.
94 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:16:09
95 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:25:07
I think RK and his team of helpers know what they have to do and have made a decent start. The fact that Lukakus very expensive " understudy" has been deemed not fit for purpose is down to the previous regime and unfortunately it takes quite a lot of time these days to sign a player.
I know we are all entitled to our opinions but I for one have seen enough to give Ronald some decent time to formulate his own squad and get the fitness right. There will doubtless be some ups and downs and certainly a new striker is desperately needed but I am looking forward to seeing where we are at the end of the transfer window and indeed the next one- I suspect there will be some movement out as well as in by then!
96 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:26:06
97 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:33:08
Why are you getting so angry? You should be happy, I'm the one who should be hurling insults since I don't like failing to win at home. I'm fully aware of last season's home record, which is why I'm disappointed we didn't win. You're supposed to win at home.
Starting with 5 at the back, 2 DMs, no recognized striker at home. Is my opinion that this isn't good enough to start the season ridiculous? That should be something that only occurs in the middle of the season due to an injury crisis, not the first match of the season where you only have one striker out injured.
Should the club not have acted sooner to bring in quality attacking options to avoid today's scenario where our substitutions were Kone, Lennon and Cleverley, with Deulofeu and Mirallas making way? What exactly is ridiculous about not being pleased that we failed to win?
98 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:34:12
But surely you have optimism? Koeman's two signings were great, Mirallas and Del were great at holding the ball but need to work on decisions. We cleared the ball to touch, pressed all over the pitch and tried early balls. Basically, everything required to entertain.
99 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:39:39
"Stop talking shite and making things up"
The guys said Tottenham had more possession. That's a fact and all the happy clapping you can muster wont change that. It is you who is making thinks up. Barkley couldn't believe he scored. An intended cross which ends up in the net = fluke.
I share your disappointment. Spurs may have had the majority of possession but they were dog shit and this game should have been wrapped up long before they decided to play around the hour mark; two points dropped for sure.
Positives: We defended from the front and played with a purpose that has been missing for two years. Disappointing but not a complete disaster. There were encouraging performances out there. More to come from Koeman's troops.
100 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:39:57
Second half, we looked a bit unfit and lacking in quality, but hopefully these will be addressed through more training and new signings; plus the return of key injured players, let's not forget, we were missing Coleman & Lukaku.
Spurs were the better side in the second half, but apart from towards the end they had no chances. Maybe due to tiredness, but Holgate was leaving tons of space late on. Draw fair result. We are clearly DESPERATE for two new strikers, even if Rom stays.
The one annoyance Ross Barkley. Decent first half, but terrible second half. Infuriates me when he loses the ball and jogs around gently, rather than furiously trying to win the ball back. And his cross at the end... the lad is just thick. New signings could see Ross dropped. He'll only ever be 'average' at best, next Rodwell.
Decent day, enjoyed the game. Let's go again, COYB. And great to see Mirallas on the pitch!
101 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:42:33
Koeman/Walsh must have a list of strikers that are good enough, and then they have to work down the list in order, sounding out the player and the club they are currently contracted to. The problem is we are not alone as every club covets the type of player we want.
Of course we all fucking know we need a striker, as well as other positions - but the truth is that the total weapon we had in charge for the past three seasons has pushed us way down the attractiveness league for the players we want as well as the real one. Based on the side he inherited, I reckon he had set us back up to 5 years in terms of progress. We have the most unbalanced squad in terms of cover for positions I have ever seen at Everton. Progress is all I want to see right now. It will take time and opportunities to get the players we want. Anything else is just a wage drain to appease the people on here who are screaming to sign someone, anyone.
Some people have completely unrealistic expectations but I'm glad we have a realist in charge of the team instead of the fantasist who has infuriated me for the past few years.
102 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:43:39
I imagine we have seen the last of the Deulofeu experiment so it will be Kevin's turn next week whilst our 25 goals man continues to ponder over whether Everton's 𧴿k a week smells as sweet as that of Chelsea's similar offer...
Get him sold so we can start the season proper!
103 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:44:32
Clearly we could have won, but think Tottenham would have said they should have won also. Football is sadly is not focusing on what we should have done and fail to comment on what the opposition didn't.
Observations:Tempo a lot better, back to Everton of old. We did slow in second half. I will be interested to see Lukaku within this tempo; many will say he is too lazy.
Shape a million times better, held it well and didn't have players playing in the same positions.
Speed moved the ball better, quicker and with more purpose. A lot less being exposed and caught in possession.
Passion looked like it was back a bit, I think there is more to come but players looked up for it.
Possession we had less but what we had we did more with, made other teams play into us and allowed the counter attack.
I have not reached excitement yet but think expectations have increased.
104 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:55:05
BTW, I am one of Everton's and especially Lukaku's biggest critics when deserved, today was not one of them days. All things considered, it was very encouraging as nearly every poster on here has stated.
105 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:56:56
106 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:57:46
In that context, a very encouraging first half. A second half where we battled hard to limit the damage. Holgate a novice holding his own for the most part against quality opposition. A keeper who looked a definite improvement on Howard. A new lad, Gana, who looked every inch a Prem player. Jags still impressive in defence, alongside Funes who had a generally solid game. Barry still impressive in midfield. Barkley who tackled and competed for headers and chased men down more than I've ever seen him.
A TEAM that looked as if they were all playing FOR EACH OTHER.
I'll take that for the first "competition" game. The first game, mind! If Koeman has got us playing like that in the first game, given everything as in context as above, with hopefully more quality players to come, then I'm hopeful for the future.
Gana - MotM.
107 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:58:47
I would hate to think of the outcome had we played without them and against a fit Spurs team. After all, we all know what Spurs are capable of. As opposed to an Everton team without the Koeman additions! Plus we were at home!
Can we please now drop the super Kev tag. It really does not become him.
108 Posted 13/08/2016 at 19:59:47
We lost the sharpness we had in the first half around the hour mark when Spurs took over. The team kept at it but didn't look like adding to the score line but, like a lot have said, we stayed in the game and didn't fall apart.
There was much to like about the performance and we will get better, I'm convinced of that, the team will change very quickly. The way we play will be faster and some of the disappointment shown on here today will pass, I think it is mostly frustration that we didn't win.
Roll on, the rest of the season.
109 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:01:22
Reason is because manager late, director of football late and singings late / not arrived. Martinez should have gone well before and process has taken long. I don't know but suspect David is concerned of "same old Everton" particularly with Kenwright still around.
I'm a lot more positive, frustrated because of reasons above, but positive with Moshiri and his plans and willing to be patient. Clearly a lot of positives for me since Moshiri took over including what occurred on the pitch today. COYB.
110 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:03:32
Both were head and shoulders above what has gone before.
I think if we would have been properly fit and had Seamus and Lukaku out today we would have beaten a very good Spurs side.
While I am disappointed to have not taken 3 points I feel more optimistic than I have for a long time.
111 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:04:25
Howard Kendall's English Champions of 1984-85 lost 4-1 at HOME to Tottenham on the opening day of the season.
It's not where you win or when, its how many points you gather over the season that counts.
Good point, good start, considering the pre-match pessimism surrounding the build up.
112 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:05:55
Gana is the proof, too, that those who turned their noses up at a 'Villa relegation reject' were just plain daft.
113 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:07:03
Unfit, no fight, no commitment!
This squad has some good players, but we have some shite too. RK needs time to implement his system, including finding the players suitable to play it. It's definitely not going to happen after 7 weeks and 1 league game.
1st league game showed signs of his system being implemented. Additionally, it show a little residue of RM.
We still look unfit (but a little better than this time last year), but showed fight and commitment!
If we'd won 3v1 would we be saying RK is a footballing God and we're going to win the league? We may have been happier, but we would still appreciate the fact we need new players and the system still needs work!
Patience and progress
114 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:08:45
115 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:11:45
Kone played for Sunderland today, could that mean he is staying with them?
116 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:20:11
On the upside, Gueye, Stekelenburg and Holgate looked excellent and after listening to Koeman on EFCTV, Barry might be our playmaker with Geuye the energy and muscle. So maybe no new midfield maestro.
I love who they've brought in so far (Moshiri and Koeman) but I got a severe case of the galloping shites when I see Cleverley and Kone coming on.
117 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:26:43
Feels like two points dropped combined with the promise of how good we will be if we have a couple of good strikers to make our good spells count.
I'll put my tin hat on and say that today showed why Koeman wants to keep Lukaku. Drawing up a list of good strikers is easier than buying one.
Two points dropped, I'm confident about the future.
118 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:28:58
At least it doesn't seem like we need a goalkeeper.
119 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:32:30
1. Moyes is crap, KITAP1, ginger tosser, dour Scot, knife to a gunfight etc etc
2. Anyone who suggested 'be careful what you wish for' (rebuffing calls for Moyes to be sacked as we only finished 5th) was jumped on by a large majority of posters calling them 'Moyes apologists'. Nice.
3. Ongoing, BK is an idiot he will never sell. Kind of destroyed by him finding us a billionaire, although some cling loyally (in their heads) to finding any tenuous reason to cling to the anti-Kenwright /"only in it for himself" narrative.
4. Martinez's appointment was fantastic news, anyone who suggested it was a massive gamble (based on hard evidence of his managerial record pre-joining us, mind) was roundly accused of being negative/Moyes sympathiser.
5. Koeman's appointment, I thought it was brilliant and a statement of intent. Today's performance showed signs of a different style and mentality. It's early days but it was positive. But guess, what we maybe seeing efforts to create a new (Moyes style) too low expectations, we should win the league in year 1 narrative, I hope I'm wrong.
Well done today, Koeman and your team.
Time has shown us that the first 4 populist narratives have proven to be misguided, I hope the 5th never gets off the ground, but if it does I think it will be about as accurate as the first 4.
120 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:41:10
121 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:41:27
Spurs were lacklustre and we were at home. The very fact that Koeman made 3 substitutes told the story. We were knackered.
For the people who are happy with a home draw, I suppose there's only 39 pts to go to save our asses. If they are the same people who criticised Koeman's purchase of Stekelenburg and Gueye, be twice as grateful!
122 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:41:54
126 Posted 13/08/2016 at 20:57:21
Sitting in the Main Stand on the Park End goal-line I had an excellent view of both goals. Barkley's free kick was very good, their goalie did not know whether to come for it, stay in the middle of his goal anticipating a header, or follow the flight. In the end he was bamboozled, so the goal was the outcome of a clever delivery.
For the Spurs goal, yes, the scorer got in front of Holgate, but the cross itself should have been prevented.
127 Posted 13/08/2016 at 21:00:11
We had key players missing, namely Coleman, Williams and Lukaku plus others, a makeshift team, and after 60 minutes it was easy to see what RK meant when he said we were only 70% fit.
I'd have taken 1-1 all day long, onwards and upwards.
129 Posted 13/08/2016 at 21:07:39
It seems that people are struggling to find a go-to scapegoat, so they'fe just rambling a load of aul' shite!
For what it's worth, I'm disappointed not to win, but realise that we were lucky to get a draw in the end, which was a positive result all things considered.
131 Posted 13/08/2016 at 21:13:21
I thought Mirallas and Deulofeu worked hard up front and certainly made a decent case for themselves as an alternative strike force.
Gana was MotM, comfortably and made a joke of any "relegation fodder" jibes. He'll become popular pretty quickly with a few more performances like today's.
Stekelenburg amazed me with truly brilliant save. No matter who we might sign this week he surely has his name on next week's teamsheet.
Holgate looked like a far older more experienced player Koeman must be delighted with him, I know that I am.
Overall I'm comfortable with that, I'm expecting improvements as we go, but that was OK for a start.
I'll not add any negative observations although I do have just a couple.
132 Posted 13/08/2016 at 21:14:44
Summed up pretty accurately I'd say. Only when Koeman is able to say this is MY squad/team now, will many realise the damage Martinez has done to us in the past with his 'fantasist' regime.
Unbalanced squad, infantile tactics, pathetic fitness regime, we are only just taking the first tentative steps of recovery. The critics need to get real.
I saw the first shoots of recovery today, nothing more, nothing less, Koeman knows his work has just begun.
133 Posted 13/08/2016 at 21:49:09
We all want Everton to win every game, but you still have to weigh the chance of that happening logically. When the teams were announced, Spurs went to 5/4 fav from 6/4!
We do need up to 4 top quality players to give us a serious chance of finishing top 6, but if we can get the right players I'd be most optimistic of being there abouts.
So far, I like what I've seen of Koeman, he seems a tough taskmaster which is how I expect the man in charge to be.
134 Posted 13/08/2016 at 21:50:55
I sit in the Main Stand up high behind the dugout and I saw Deulofeu getting tired and not moving into position down the line when we had a throw-in; Koeman pointed where he wanted him to be and he never moved. Koeman yelled in frustration and called Kone to get changed straight away! The same thing when Mirallas put a simple pass out of play and Barry gave away a free kick in the edge of the area!
I really like the first impression of Koeman he comes across as knowledgeable and no nonsense. Instantly I can feel the standards and expectations lifting, the early signs are encouraging!
135 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:00:54
With players in the squad like Lennon they should be able to keep the opposition at full stretch but not Kone??? Spurs came back strongly as one would expect but generally the defense stood firm to preserve at least the point.
With more additions to make the squad stronger by month end, I see this team doing way better than the Martinez group. They didn't miss Stones and Holgate filled in nicely for Seamus but the real eyecatcher was Gueye who looks like he will be a force with the Blues.
136 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:02:42
James McCarthy? Playing as a stop-gap didn't really seem too involved as usual. Deulofeu, Mirallas & Barkley isolated as the game went on... still we need those 2 that Koeman said for next week... but really we need a bit more than that.
All-in-all encouraging and for the most part the crowd seemed happier, mainly due to Gana he has everything doesn't he. Surprised at how good he was. Hopefully Lukaku is back next game.
137 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:02:45
They've all been playing football every day since they were kids. They're not kids any more and it's really not much to ask for them to be at peak fitness, when the club turning them into millionaires requires them to be.
138 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:15:21
He has strength, pace, ball control, game intelligence . And he grafts. He is immense. I went to espanyol last week and some moaned about him, especially when he was penalised for the penalty. I told my mate sat next to me who was moaning that this guy was good. Only one game, but I love him already
139 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:19:48
140 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:30:16
141 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:34:19
142 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:41:39
143 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:43:27
144 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:46:47
145 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:46:56
146 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:49:13
It was not Moyesesque. His approach could be seen in the taking off of Defoe and replacing him with McNair. A very good start considering with much to be optimistic about.
147 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:53:21
148 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:54:24
Funes Mori was fantastic in a 10-minute cameo against someone or another... "Probably his best 10 minutes in a blue shirt."
Let's just let the lad settle in and develop.
149 Posted 13/08/2016 at 22:59:02
I'm happy about today's result, but his perceived positivism is threatening to choke me in runaway molasses... :P
150 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:00:06
A comment that could be described as unbending, brusk, intransigent, miserable and dour.
Or, to put it another way..
151 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:16:46
Dan 141 - I'd like to think each and every poster on TW agrees with that comment. Injuries aside, it really does beggar belief that any pro footballer should be struggling fitness-wise, let alone an entire squad at a top level club!
152 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:20:35
153 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:21:36
Which begs the question, why was this game listed as a sellout on the official site???
154 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:24:43
155 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:37:45
156 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:42:39
OS lists 39,494... so some dyslexia entering the equation, methinks. An excellent opening-day attendance, and judging by most posts, they went home happy despite us dropping two valuable points.
And Kevin, the possession stats for the first half, which we dominated with our fine play, were 46%-54%. I may be wrong but usually, when we don't have the ball, we find it hard to attack... in fact, we have to defend, because, yea, the other lot have the ball.
So yes, it's hardly bollocks to say we had to defend for most of the game. Sadly, that's what we do when we score early.
All it would have taken for a completely different complexion on the game and the result was Deulofeu's effort to go in before half-time. 2-0 up and we would have been hard to beat. Fine margins etc. But on the day, on the field, it's what should really have happened.
Not 'unrealistic expectations' in any way, shape or form. Nothing to do with this "on paper", "what the bookies say" bollocks. The game as it is played â€” on that patch of grass. Good to see that Darren gets it.
157 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:47:02
158 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:47:59
What does concern me, and I hope is addressed asap, is the comparison of the two benches. If the two benches competed in a seven-aside match, we would be tonked, I'm sure. Depth of squad allowed Spurs into this game.
159 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:49:18
If he had just let the ball roll over to his left foot, it would've opened the whole goal up, or ended up penalty/red card if the defender made any challenge.
Massive moment in the game... never fancied him to bury it.
160 Posted 13/08/2016 at 23:53:52
I thought Gueye was immense, and was really pleased with what I saw from Holgate. Stekelenburg was pretty impressive too with his couple of excellent saves.
Overall, happy with what I saw, especially first half. Disappointed we couldn't get the win, but relieved we didn't concede a second.
Now get some more signings in, get fitness up and we'll have a real shot at doing something half-decent this season.
161 Posted 13/08/2016 at 00:05:34
It's called being professional.
162 Posted 14/08/2016 at 00:14:03
I honestly don't understand the negative feelings, our 2 new signings were excellent, the crowd were well into it, unlike last season, Martinez left us a fucking nightmare, I'm very happy with our performance and effort today, kinda like our manager was, Michael.
163 Posted 14/08/2016 at 00:15:18
Professionalism is two things: competence and attitude. The first is a given, otherwise they'd be out. The second is (apparently) being sorted after the debacle of last season, and if there's no commitment you're out. Simple.
This is partly why the likes of Gana and Williams have been signed. No fucking about.
164 Posted 14/08/2016 at 00:19:40
165 Posted 14/08/2016 at 00:20:43
So did you also throw he managers opinion in everyone's face the past two seasons when he said how great everything was as we lost match after match?
And if you don't have the ball, that means you're defending. And if the other team has the ball about 10% more than you, that means you're defending most of the match. And when you are the horn team and the keeper is playing time wasting tactics by moving the ball around his box for a minute before taking a goal kick, with nearly 20 minutes to go, that means you're holding on for the draw.
We set out to counter attack. I don't care if we did it well in the first half, we only ended up with one goal. And the same tactic let them continue to come at us in the second half, as we inevitably tired, and we held on for the draw.
I said at the end of the first half that there was total commitment across the pitch. That's not the level of expectation I have for Everton. I expect more, especially in our home opener.
166 Posted 14/08/2016 at 00:27:13
167 Posted 14/08/2016 at 00:41:57
I think it's because specific details are being tackled, and the devil is in the detail. No high-level philosophies, just basic getting things right.
168 Posted 14/08/2016 at 01:11:58
169 Posted 14/08/2016 at 03:31:43
170 Posted 14/08/2016 at 03:34:40
171 Posted 14/08/2016 at 05:25:37
It is a blueprint for the future because what "Realistic Ronnie" is being is ... er... realistic.
Realistic about what we have and where we are at present, when he has built his own team and instilled his own ethos on the players his expectations will change and he will become more realistic about what he expects us to achieve.
172 Posted 14/08/2016 at 07:50:16
Next season, well it must a a double winning one mustn't it? The league a given, plus maybe the FA Cup, after all we can't be too unrealistic with our expectations and aim for the Champions League winners, that can only be realistic for season 3 or maybe even 4 if we get all soft.
It's only us hardcore fans who really see the true picture. Maybe we should resurrect the 'apologists' tag for all those with such low expectations of Koeman. Can't believe we're still waiting for our first win of the season.
173 Posted 14/08/2016 at 08:44:47
The hardest bit will be getting them to do that every game while thinking and concentrating.
Quality up front would have got us three points. Let's hope Koeman can put a rocket up Lukaku's rear end and find two decent strikers (three if he leaves).
Bet there's some sore legs in that team this morning. About time!
174 Posted 14/08/2016 at 10:23:49
Very pleased with the first half performance for all the reasons already posted by others. As poor as he was, I don't think RK had any option but to bring Kone on to at least give our hard pressed defenders something to aim at. If anything, I thought RK could have made the changes a bit earlier as we were increasingly conceding possession. The ball just kept coming back as the Spurs' defenders were unchallenged. Granted, it didn't improve when Kone was on the pitch as he just hasn't got what it takes, but it was worth a try.
Del Boy and Mirallas worked hard first half but it's clearly not a long term option. Neither are goal scorers in the real sense and we presented no aerial threat or challenge. I was also disappointed with Del Boy's lack of ability to beat a man in key positions.
Barclay did not do it for me second half. Decision making poor and like others, I worry that he'll not fulfill his potential.
All in all though, pleased with what I saw. Jags, Barry and Gueye were immense. Impressed with keeper and Holgate too. Look forward to the next home game when we should be strengthened in a number of positions.
175 Posted 14/08/2016 at 10:31:33
No bullshit, just attention to detail, like signing Stekelenburg, Gueye and Williams for starters. These are just starters, we progress from there.
176 Posted 14/08/2016 at 10:51:06
David, I applaud your feeling that home draws are disappointing; they are. But in context, from where we were, there were positives. Negatives yes, but not new negatives I don't think.
I am expecting progress this season, and I don't think being happy about seeing a little in game one is that bad. Let's hope we get to where we all want to be sooner rather than later.
177 Posted 14/08/2016 at 11:02:18
Just looking at the fixtures they are very kind to us for 2 to 3 months at least, we could well get plenty points on the board early. that is if we play well enough.
178 Posted 14/08/2016 at 11:04:34
Keep an eye on that, it might be an omen!
179 Posted 14/08/2016 at 11:06:28
In his pre season appearances I thought that Shani Tarashaj looked an option but he hasn't even been given a squad number. If he can't do better than Kone, he must be pretty damn poor.
180 Posted 14/08/2016 at 11:10:12
You can say Conte inherited a 'mess' too, I bet you he's not getting a whole season if he's out of the top 4 by Christmas.
As far as money is concerned, if Ron wasn't offered enough money and transfer budget, he shouldn't have taken the job. He's gotta deliver and fast!
181 Posted 14/08/2016 at 11:15:49
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184 Posted 14/08/2016 at 13:20:13
Now it could be argued that the players should take responsibility for their own fitness levels and that is a fair enough comment. However, they didn't and we are where we are. When most PL players come back for pre season they still have a high level of fitness and as such doesn't take too much to reach optimum levels again. Over the last 2 years, our players have allowed their fitness levels to drop alarmingly so it's going to take more than 5 weeks to get back up on par to everyone else.
I agree that a draw on the opening day of the season is no reason to be singing and dancing from the rooftops but it was a vast improvement on the awful dire football we have been subjected to over the last couple of years. The first half pleasantly surprised me. We played good football and probably had more shots on target than we had in half a dozen games last season. Spurs I think only had 1 shot on target in that first half and that was comfortably saved. I was very disappointed to see how the players faded badly in the 2nd half but it was a decent point in the end.
It's going to take time for Koeman to clear up all the shit left by Martinez. It's also going to take time for top players to come to us unfortunately. Until we start producing in the pitch, why should good players in their prime want to come to us? Yes we know Kone and Niasse are awful but I guess Koeman needed to give them a chance preseason to see for himself. Lukakus injury was not foreseen and if he had played then we probably would have been discussing a win not a draw. As it is there were plenty of encouraging signs for the future in that display. The players worked hard (yes I know that should be a given but as we know, over the last couple of years they didnt) Barkley showed flashes in that first half that he can put his foot in and intimidate opponents with his size. I have been his biggest critic over the last couple of years but I thought he was decent until he, shockingly for such a young lad, tired from half time onwards. Del boy likewise, how lads of that age can be so unfit is unbelievable, hands on his knees even before half time. Koeman will get them properly fit and then we shall see them firing on all cylinders for the full game.
The game was a big step forward for the fans and whilst a draw is not acceptable for any home game, it has given us a glimpse of what is to come. If we had the necessary fitness levels to last the game that could have been a rout for us considering how dominant we were in the first half, and that was without a front line striker. I am cautiously optimistic about the future and think you both, Michael and David, should be also.
185 Posted 14/08/2016 at 13:32:36
A few days ago I said we won't really see this team click until late September early October. Give Koeman a few more weeks, and new players, to get his team at 100%. I'm now far more optimistic than I was a week ago.
186 Posted 14/08/2016 at 13:38:30
Beyond me. Must be something to do with heart I suppose.
187 Posted 14/08/2016 at 13:43:50
I know you are gutted at the loss of your hero Roberto still, being his most ardent supporter and all, but it bewilders pretty much everyone else on here, even the other hardcore Martinistas, some of whom who are even posting on this thread with a bit of a turn around.
It does beggar belief that you are still clinging on to the belief that Martinez was on the verge of something special. He wasn't. Nothing positive anyway. This would have been an Everton relegation season with the idiot in charge, which would have been something special in one way.
You really do need to get over it and stop posting the ridiculous cherry-picked facts that you have been for a good while.
He really was at least as shit a football manager as people on here have been saying for a while and the state he left this football club in is probably even worse than we thought.
Acceptance is the key to moving on.
189 Posted 14/08/2016 at 14:09:26
I was relieved when he was sacked last season as I envisaged us in a battle against relegation this term, one we would lose. That is all history and we live in the present and at least for the next few weeks Martinez still has influence on the present.
Three seasons of light training and no set-piece planning was highlighted by Ossie in his book. Add his philosophy of outscoring opponents and we know how well that worked!
190 Posted 14/08/2016 at 14:10:15
191 Posted 14/08/2016 at 14:56:26
How many times have we done that? How many matches have followed that predictable pattern?
Yes, there were stylistic innovations and a lively approach in the first half but I found the Spurs game anticlimactic. Every substitution weakened us: Kone (groan) Cleverley (groan) Lennon â€“ who immediately dropped back to defend.
It may be Koeman's first match but it was a result you might expect from Martinez. All those fans who heaped so much venomous, vicious abuse on Martinez last season, who are they going to target this season now that the whipping boy is gone? The players maybe? Of the 14 who played I saw only 5 or 6 who deserve to end the season in an Everton shirt.
192 Posted 14/08/2016 at 15:05:35
My posts are about Ronald Koeman, the current manager, and the last game Everton played followed a pretty average pre-season. Perhaps its you and the collective hate on this site towards OFM that is letting you give realistic Ron so much wiggle room.
He's supposed to be ushering in a new era with supposedly deeper pockets. Nothing he has done so far has impressed me yet. Let's see him win some games first before we decide whether he's actually any good yeah ?
If our expectations this season were 7th place with lots of running around, we could have brought back David Moyes.
193 Posted 14/08/2016 at 15:12:46
194 Posted 14/08/2016 at 15:13:44
Those players you say that are not good enough to don an Everton shirt are Martinez players. To say that yesterday was more of the same is just ridiculous. We showed more desire in the first 45 minutes than we did for a great deal of last season, and the one before that, come to think of it. Did you actually go/watch the game at all?
As for who is going to be the whipping boy... well, if all do their job, then why do we need one? Or is it just you that feels the need to be critical all the time?
195 Posted 14/08/2016 at 16:41:34
My expectations under Martinez were relegation this season. Criticism of Moyes was based on acceptance of seventhish as the pinnacle of our ambition when we were already there or thereabouts. That's a world away from the laughing stock RM turned this club into, coupled with the contempt shown to knowledgeable supporters with the drivel he spouted. Given the absolute mess (yes, mess) he has left us in I'll take 7th for this season irrespective of your barbs and bile towards anyone not your hero.
Do you even know who Ronald Korean is? Are you aware of the ambition he has shown and the achievements he has accomplished in his footballing life? Suggesting that seventhish through blood and thunder is the limit of his ambition now is misguided at best, farcically ridiculous more likely. If we cannot match that ambition he'd be off.
Personally, given your comments overall, and it is just my own opinion, I think you understand the square root of nothing about football, which then starts to make sense why you'd be drawn towards RM as a kindred spirit.
196 Posted 14/08/2016 at 16:58:49
You're right, Kevin, but we were still defending. we defended from the front in the first half, we pressed Spurs really high up the pitch. I called Spurs dogshit, but having read Paul Tran's post, I think I'll reconsider. Paul is right, we made Spurs look ordinary. They could not get into their usual smooth rhythm.
The disappointment is, that we settled for a draw, the all-too-familiar late retreat was all too predictable. The claim that tiredness forced us back doesn't wash with me; by surrendering the initiative, we were made to work even harder.
You seem to think it's negative to expect our team (as the home team) to drive on for the winner. I see it the opposite way. I think settling and being content with the draw is far more negative.
More to come from this team, but people are entitled to be disappointed when their team stops trying to win a home game long before the final whistle.
197 Posted 14/08/2016 at 17:13:39
Spurs under Pochetino, West Ham under Bilic, Leicester, Southampton under RK and even 'them' under Klopp, and they've strengthened further this close season.
Where the was a Top 4 there is arguably 7 or 8 ahead of us (actually there are 10 ahead of us the last two seasons).
While they were strengthening we weren't standing still we were going backwards at an alarming rate and we've got a hell of a lot of catching up to do and we need to be realistic in our expectations.
There were some encouraging signs yesterday and for the first time in a long time the Goodison crowd responded to the teams efforts and spirit. It was not the prettiest and it is not what we want but it was a start and a decent effort by a weakened unfit team against a very strong fit physical team. There were signs that his message was getting through, in the organisation of the defence and the defensive midfield as well as the pressing further up the pitch.
I think we will see further improvements over the coming weeks but we need to be realistic in our expectations.
Cue all the comments quoting our motto.
198 Posted 14/08/2016 at 17:18:07
If you truly believe that then I agree with Joe Clitherow, you clearly do not understand much about football. There's a world of difference and I for one am grateful that Koeman has come from a relatively comfortable position to take on the challenge and move us forward.
UPDATE: Liverpool have just gone 3-1 ahead at the Emirates Koeman out!
199 Posted 14/08/2016 at 17:35:19
"I think settling and being content with the draw is far more negative"
I'd agree with 100% mate, but that isn't what happened yesterday at all. The fact is, as you intimate, Spurs changed the way they played after half time yesterday and we don't have the personnel or, yes I'll say it, the fitness right now to have coped with it. We were still really good for the hour, which is when Spurs got their first chance and their goal. They pegged us back from then on.
Deulofeu didn't close down a defender just after they scored as he had been doing really well all game by the way and I could see Koeman get really pissed off by that straight away; it was obvious Del was getting hooked. Kone was signalled straight away and, if you're looking for the term 'dogshit' to apply anywhere, it was when he came on.
Wasn't by design or the lack of ambition that got a point against a very good, very settled side yesterday.
New players, better fitness and more organisation will have our expectations rising very soon again, I'm pretty sure of that.
200 Posted 14/08/2016 at 17:36:27
I remember Kendall's great quote from the 1985 team, 'Play the game in the other team's half.' It was great to see us do that for 45 mins yesterday. When a team does that, it's difficult for the opposition to get a foothold in the game.
With two decent strikers and a higher level of physical and mental fitness, we could be interesting this season.
201 Posted 14/08/2016 at 17:38:22
It is a matter of unassailable and indisputable fact that Everton have repeatedly gained the upper hand against difficult opposition only to squander chances, fade and allow the opponent back into the game. Clearly we did precisely the same thing on Saturday so where all this optimism comes from I don't really know. Martinez was excoriated for exactly similar results.
I agree with you a number of players need to go but alas for your deep seated contempt for our former manager, not all of them are Martinez signings. If we can hold on to Lukaku (a Martinez signing) and produce better service from Deulofeu (another Martinez signing) we may do OK.
So far, even the usually optimistic rumor mill has linked us primarily with overpriced mediocrities. Imagine if Martinez had sold Stones and bought Ashley Williams! He would have been hung in effigy.
202 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:06:49
It was telling that our two new signings were our best players. So, keeper sorted. The addition of Williams at CB will certainly upgrade us defensively (and whispers of another CB to come). DMs sorted with the excellent Gueye and the timeless Barry (I think Macca will slip down the pecking order). Bolasie will bolster our widemen ranks challenging Mirallas & Delboy to compete for the second wing..
For me we desperately need a top class striker (to play alongside, not instead of, Rom). And a top class creative presence in midfield (sadly I no longer see Ross as that player, hope I'm wrong). Those two signings, improved fitness, and more time to adapt to RK's management could see us improve dramatically.
203 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:06:51
Many state that they didn't want him in the first place, fair enough that's your opinion, but the abuse he received before his sacking was not pleasant to witness. I accept he lost the majority of the supporters, and there had to be a change of manager and his staff, his position was untenable then.
If we inspect his time as manager, 5th in first season with record number of points for the club, second season, 11th but take into account we were playing in Europe which is generally accepted as a handicap to league form, 11th last season with the strange anomaly of good away form but abysmal home form, its not great but its far from the disaster that is purported to be.
Add to that two semi finals last season of which in the FA Cup if Lukaku had scored when he should have done on a couple of occasions the FA Trophy could well have been standing in our cabinet instead of Utd's.
All this is not relevant to Koeman's reign as manager anyway, which is what we should be concentrating on, he seems to be a no nonsense guy where the players will know whats required of them, all in all what with presumably more money to spend the future seems rosy.
I don't expect Martinez critics to change their minds but I can't see the need for all the derogatory terms when mention of his name appears in a post, Belgium don't seem to think he's as bad as some of you make out. He tried to change the style from the Moyes era to a possession based game which you have to say in his last season didn't work out well.
Criticism is legitimate, but in my eyes and no doubt Nigel's, it is, as I said before, way too biased.
204 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:23:56
I don't think its biased to criticise what you see before your own eyes.
You have always defended Martinez against a groundswell of opinion against him.
You are entitled to your opinion but when a manager who has just got his club relegated is given a top 6 club to manage after promising CL football, backed to the hilt with finances, Lukaku, McCarthy, Kone, Alcatraz, Niasse, Robles, Delofeu etc. and then takes the club backwards at an alarming rate it is no wonder he got criticised and sacked.
As most knowledgeable people know Martinez was totally out of his depth.
We now have a genuine winner of a manager who has been in the job 5 minutes and some people are already carping.
I for one am fully behind what is going on and what I saw yesterday. We were light years ahead of where Martinez was taking us.
205 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:29:45
As a certain John McEnroe was heard to scream, you cannot be serious.
Martinez systematically dismantled this club in order to pursue his idiotic dreams and philosophies.
Thank God we now have someone in charge who actually understands what is needed to succeed in the Premier League. Jeez, what do people like you two actually want?
Martinez invited criticism of his so-called tactics, surely even for both of you the last two seasons were a fucking disaster.
206 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:40:20
A lot of the animosity towards Martinez is I think based on the blatant contempt I think he showed towards Everton fans by often insisting black was white in amongst his incomprehensible drivel. I found it personally insulting. Either he was lying through his teeth or he genuinely believed what he was saying and frankly I'm not sure which scenario is worse given what we were paying him.
As for Belgium, hardly a ringing endorsement that a national football association don't understand the game any more than it is for our own English FA. They appointed Hodgson ffs. Having said that, he may do better with an international team as his damage would be limited, not being responsible for fitness and training most of the time. We'll see but I don't give a jot to be honest.
The man was a complete unmitigated disaster for Everton Football Club and we all need to move on, but just at the moment his legacy still casts a dark shadow over us. It took him about half a season to undo the decent team he took over, I'd give Koeman at least the same length of time before we can pass proper judgement.
We all need to move on together like I said; mercenary players and managers come and go but we're stuck being Evertonians.
207 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:40:45
Martinez was naive in many ways and clearly there were things going on behind the scenes that will be in someone's memoir some day, but he did not deserve much of the vitriol aimed at him. The same people who so viciously vilified him will turn in Koeman fast enough if he is not spectacularly successful.
As for Saturday, two points thrown away at home are two points thrown away at home no matter who is in charge or which "new era" is supposedly beginning.
208 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:41:02
After his first season, I was looking forward to the second one but became disillusioned with his methods and the way he was using the team. After he brought Howard back and dropped Robles when the lad had done well, it was obvious to me that he wouldn't take Everton to the next level upwards.
I still hoped he would turn things round in his third season but it became worse as the season went on and so did his attitude, he just refused to change his philosophy even when it was apparent that the team wasn't responding to his plans and football ideas.
He was given time and money but stuck to his game plan that was not working; he had fair chances at Everton but failed miserably.
209 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:50:33
Ffs folks, let it go, will you?
210 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:55:06
Nope, I can't actually imagine that happening, irrespective of how many goals were shipped, and despite the fact he had him getting splinters in his arse most of last season and running down his contract.
The fact that I can't imagine that happening is right at the heart of the huge issues most of us had with the man, namely that he couldn't see problems right before his eyes and he was certainly incapable of taking decisions that could potentially start to rectify them.
211 Posted 14/08/2016 at 18:56:26
He talked his way into the Wigan job, managed them for 4 years and every season the team finished in a worse position than the one before. He somehow managed to talk his way into the Everton job and pretty much the same thing happened with us. Started off well then rapidly went into reverse. He really should have been let go at the end of his second season, alarm bells were already ringing loudly around December 2014.
He is truly a strange man. When you first hear him speak he sounds knowledgable and you think 'wow, what a breath of fresh air'. Problem is after a while you realise that he's extremely good at talking nonsense and always paints a rosy picture, totally ignoring what actually happened. He is either an extremely good con artist or he truly believes what he's saying and simply cannot see any negatives, ever. Some of his comments regarding the likes of Barry, Stones, Barkley, Lukaku etc were frankly just ridiculous. There was also nothing lost in translation, the guy's English is better than most TWs having lived, studied and worked here for more than half his life, over 20 years.
Belgium have hired him imo because he's got the gift of the gab and he again has managed to con someone into believing his crap. Over time they will also realise that it's all hot air (Lukaku and Mirallas seemed to think it was a joke when his appointment was announced). It'll be interesting to see him trying to explain to the likes of Hazard and De Bruyne how the game should be played.
I am truly amazed that a guy like this can get near, let alone actually get, a top managerial post. Truly demonstrats the power of convincing bullshit.
The guy is a delusional optimist with an excellent apitude for talking bollocks.
212 Posted 14/08/2016 at 19:08:02
It's like the Tories still blaming Gordon Brown for the world wide financial crisis.
Let it go.
213 Posted 14/08/2016 at 19:20:07
We all know he needs time and will build his own team and strategies. Yesterday's game was encouraging against a really good team unlike the first game of last season against Watford. One swallow doesn't make a Summer even if they had won but the signs are encouraging.
Hopefully he get's Bolassie in the door and the offence can be more menacing against the better teams.
214 Posted 14/08/2016 at 19:36:53
Does it? I would say it has 'any half-decent manager in the fucking world not welded to an idealistic and impractical philosophy of how the game should be played' written all over it.
Preaching maximum commitment, effort and work rate isn't a mantra explicit to Moyes. It's the bare minimum any manager who is not a soft touch should be seeking to eke out of every player in his squad. You may label it 'blood, thunder and running about', but I expect most will more familiar with it under it's former name: 'the fucking basics'. The stuff you bring to the party first, that gives you a sound platform to build upon and earns you the right to play more expansive stuff without the threat of getting sand repeatedly kicked in your face every time another team proves ready to stand toe to toe.Â
That Koeman has sought to instil such virtues from the outset shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone considering the amount of scorn the last guy attracted by clearly not being arsed with such boringly simplistic shite.
That three seasons of strolling about under the pretence of tiring opponents out through possession retention and preserving energy until the season enters it's penultimate stages, would take more than five weeks to filter out and replace with a readiness to run yourself into the ground, should be equally unsurprising.
The manager coming out and stating as much doesn't amount to an attempt at 'lowering expectations' but rather a simple update on where we currently stand, compared to where he would want us to be. I don't see the problem with that at all.
215 Posted 14/08/2016 at 19:40:03
I'm not going to get into the debate about who was responsible for his first season, suffice to say that when he was finally making his mark on the team we got well and truly thumped at RS and the Arsenal in the cup. The man was just an idiot and treated the fans with contempt. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
As to your assertion that as soon as it goes a bit sour for RK the same abuse will be hurled at him, well no not really. Koeman has been there seen it and done it as a player and has a decent record as a manager so actually knows what he is doing. Martinez hung himself with his own rope and as such got down the banks from the fans. I have never seen such a backlash from the fans for many years so it says a lot what the match going public thought of it.
The fans are very patient and we never saw this kind of unrest in Walter or Moyes reigns. We also won't have that kind of unrest in RK reign either. As I said he knows what he is doing and has a plan A, B, C and probably more besides. It may work and it may not but it won't be for lack of trying on his behalf. Martinez was a one trick pony and that trick was shite that's why he got the abuse and deservedly so after treating the fans like fools also.
216 Posted 14/08/2016 at 19:45:38
I've been interested to read a few people talking about the long-term damage they feel has been done by Roberto's prolonged presence. Our players simply don't believe. I feel yesterday's retreat was as much about mental fragility as physical tiredness. The crowd is the same; there was a real sense of "Here we go again" as Spurs piled on the pressure.
Spurs kept believing; we were lucky to get out with a point in the end.
Koeman has his work cut out, let's hope he doesn't have to rely on poor old Arouna too often...
217 Posted 14/08/2016 at 20:08:00
For that reason, I am encouraged by the signing of Williams. He's of an age and temperament whereby he will not tolerate defeatism and I think he has been bought by Koeman to lead (I would make him captain straight away it wouldn't shock me if Jags left us actually).
I trust Koeman who had the priceless asset of being an arrogant bastard as a player, to accompany his great talent.
218 Posted 14/08/2016 at 20:21:17
219 Posted 14/08/2016 at 20:32:50
I'm not a fan of Deulofeu but his ability to lay off balls was, at times, a pleasure to watch. If only Lukaku had the same touch. I am much more optimistic than I was eight days ago.
220 Posted 14/08/2016 at 20:48:30
There is no doubt Roberto didn't help but, in the past, Moyes was just as much to blame for the way Everton players crumbled in the big games. Coming out of Wembley after the Liverpool semi-final fiasco, I met a good bluenose who said to me "We both could have wrote the script for that match" absolutely true.
Moyes planted the seeds of doubt in all of his players who didn't turn up in lots of the important matches.
221 Posted 14/08/2016 at 21:42:23
There's been a dearth of goals preseason and yesterday's was a good ball into the box which found its way in.
Strikers, Big Ron, strikers. Nail Lukaku to the floor and find a couple more.
222 Posted 15/08/2016 at 04:28:56
Some facts: Spurs finished 3rd last season with the best away record in the league and were at full strength. We have n't won our first match in the league for 5 years. We have a new manager who has not yet re-built the squad (despite best efforts to bring players in before the season starts). Our main striker and right back were injured (the two positions we don't yet have proper cover for). Spurs has a wage bill significantly bigger than ours. We lost our last 3 pre-season games and Spurs were scoring for fun in theirs.
What on earth are you expectations based on? I was expecting a spanking
223 Posted 15/08/2016 at 04:55:38
Spurs were made to look ordinary, not a patch on last season's form. Okay the fitness prediction came back to bite them after the break, but it is already apparent that when the team is up to speed, we are in for a complete change this season. He has unearthed a new dynamo in Gueye and a keeper who looks hard to beat.
Another three or four new additions seem to be about to join the ranks and, along with the young talent he is sure to bring through, I am hopeful to see a squad that we can back against anyone in the Premier League by the turn of the year. COYB.
225 Posted 15/08/2016 at 05:20:32
If you really believe the level of football was higher under Walter Smith then I can only say the results show that to be demonstrably wrong. Some fans have to hate. The calumnies directed at Tim Howard at the close of his Everton career exemplifies that.
226 Posted 15/08/2016 at 07:49:02
227 Posted 15/08/2016 at 11:45:06
Joe attempting to keep this forum respectful so I'm just going ask one thing. What exactly has Koeman achieved in his managerial career that merits such a pedestal especially in the Premier League? Are we not allowed to question his ability as a manager just because he had a great playing career?
228 Posted 15/08/2016 at 12:34:54
Why have you brought Tim Howard into this? Are you suggesting that I also hated him? Well for the record, I thought the booing of him was not necessary, it wasn't his fault he lost form and was still playing, Martinez chose to play him.
David Moyes and others didn't have such contempt thrown at them because they didn't have the resources Martinez had. They were limited managers in their own way but just weren't good enough. Martinez took over a healthy club and infected it with rotteness imo and will take a good while to rectify those mistakes and it is very trite of you to suggest that all who disliked Martinezs methods and were vociferous about it are just people who have to hate and will do so again with Koeman. It appears that you are the hater because our views differ about Martinez
229 Posted 15/08/2016 at 14:38:08
He ultimately failed as a manager. I don't miss him. The idea that he is totally incompetent, deceived fans, etc., etc., ad infinitum is nonsense. He enjoyed success elsewhere and he will probably enjoy success again.
We don't have to dress this stuff up with hyperbole or hatred, not for managers and players and not, as fans for each other.
230 Posted 15/08/2016 at 15:48:03
Dave Ganley I also agree with a lot of what you have said. Martinez oversold everything and then didn't deliver and that was a real turn off. He also bought good quality players (Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy, Deulofeu), but unfortunately had them playing a style which was unwatchable I was unable to watch them after January this year, a mixture of boredom and terror!
Koeman does not have the management track record of the other big 3 northwestern clubs managers...but he did well at Southampton and was a super star as a player which helps gets respect from any Billy Big Balls we sign (and we just signed another in Bolasie). I also like what he is doing so far...so I have high hopes.
Let's move on re: former managers.
231 Posted 15/08/2016 at 18:56:46
Deulofeu and Mirallas are an ok supporting cast to a main striker, but neither have the tools to take lead role. I think the same can be said for Bolasie
I too, often wonder where the next goal is coming from, but Lukaku's presence doesnt always ease my concerns, in fact sometimes he increases them.
We seem forever Riddled with doubt, we cant see a game out because we worry we wont score any more and too often look to hold a lead rather than build on it. How many times have we invited the sucker punch because we didnt fancy our chances of scoring again ?
I agree about Moyes, but this is our fourth season without him. Surely any lingering influence he may have had has gone.
232 Posted 15/08/2016 at 19:36:23
To be honest Peter we will just have to agree to disagree over Martinez. Even though I didn't want him, I did want him to succeed because I want Everton to succeed. I took absolutely no pleasure in seeing an Everton team play with such little passion and guile as we showed, in fact it was painful to watch and I can't remember the last time I thought that on such a consistent basis. For me he was/is a failure. Winning the fa cup on the back of getting your club relegated doesn't constitute success to me. League form is everything and a cup win is icing on the cake. In that respect he destroyed our league form when he got his feet under the table.
233 Posted 16/08/2016 at 17:53:38
I really don't give a stuff about whether we like the manager or not, we just want successful, attractive, exciting football. Spurs are a very good side and they has us on the ropes in the second half just as they did for much of the game in January when it was also 1-1.
It is time for all of us to move on from the Moyes/Martinez debate the reality is that Koeman is in charge now with a big backroom staff including a director of football, he has a big transfer budget (and salary) that neither of the previous incumbents had at their disposal. It is right and proper that we expect him to deliver success (i.e. win something) within a reasonable time frame (3 years) otherwise it will be taxi for Koeman.
235 Posted 17/08/2016 at 03:51:28
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