Bonfire Night Roasting at the Bridge

Ronald Koeman's side were left badly burnt as Chelsea lit up Stamford Bridge like a bonfire with a scalding display of consummate football.

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Idrissa Gueye's absence through suspension was keenly felt but it's unlikely he could have saved what was a dreadful display
Chelsea 5 - 0 Everton

Ronald Koeman's side were left badly burnt as Chelsea lit up Stamford Bridge like a bonfire with a scalding display of consummate football that the yellow shirts had no answer to.

Ronald Koeman's side for the evening clash at Stamford Bridge included Tom Cleverley as expected for the suspended Idrissa Gueye.

Koeman started with three centre-backs, Funes Mori retaining his place as skipper Phil Jagielka returns to the side. Kevin Mirallas was dropped to the bench where Tom Davies hasd been elevated from the Under-23s. Stekelenburg returns in goal.

Everton kicked off in their yellow shirts but soon gave the ball away through a bad Barry pass and the pressure was on. But it was inconsistent play from each side until Lukaku tried to wriggle free and run with the ball but David Luiz was across to snuff out the danger.

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Williams was clumsy in pulling down Hazard and after the free-kick, Coleman had to lunge in on Costa, catching his ankle right in front of the ref... play on! No yellow card.

Costa lay writhing, needing treatment, and eventually hobbled back on. Chelsea undeterred attacked with some force, yellow shirts chasing shadows in a panic-striken defence. When the visitors did try and break, their passing let them down badly.

Bolasie felled Moses and earned the first yellow card, the kick well overhit by Chelsea as the Everton defenders were keeping the home side at bay. But on their next attack, some Hazard magic saw Williams beaten and then Stekelenburg at the far post, Pedro perhaps unsighting him unfairly (offside). And less than a minute later, Alonso made it 2-0 through Stekelenburg's legs. Shockingly poor defending from Everton.

Everton tried a slow build-up, Coleman's cross coming to Lukaku but his form was all wrong. Bolasie then almost got forward before Oviedo gave the ball away, but Cahill then fouled Bolasie, giving Everton a good set-piece. Barkley curled it in superbly but the entire attacking line was offside.

Twice, Barkley picked the ball up deep but played it backwards. However, they did start to pass the ball better until Lukaku was robbed and it almost let Chelsea break again. Jagielka was then booked apparently for dissent. (Isn't the captain allowed to talk to the referee now?)

Another Chelsea attack, with good ball movement around the Everton area, a deep cross from Alonso saw Moses in like a flash, smacking his shot into the post.

Chelsea continued to look very comfortable, ready to pounce on any mistake, and were getting forward with too much ease. Koeman had seen enough and decided to switch formation to 4-2-3-1, with Mirallas on in place of Oviedo, after 35 mins.

Funes Mori gave away a clumsy foul, and from it Hazard lashed in another cross that somehow evaded Costa and ended in the first corner, flicked on deep to Costa for a fierce volley at the far post: 3-0.

The visitors worked on building another attack, Bolasie doing well to get in a couple of crosses but the ball ended up with Courtois. Costa beat Jagielka with ease and somehow firing into the side netting.

The match restarted but Everton struggling badly, first time Barkley plays a decent forward ball to Lukaku and clips off the back of his heel. Better possession but an overhit cross by Funes Mori won Everton's first corner off a mistake by Alonso but nothing developed from it. At the other end, Matic almost walks it in, Costa called offside.

After a brief lapse, Chelsea were passing it around with aplomb, an exhibition in store with a superb back-heel from Pedro inside to Hazard who danced in and lashed home a fourth. A brilliant goal off 23 passes, probably unstoppable, but all the more painful for being the fourth Everton conceded.

Koeman could do little, but decided to put Lennon on for the completely ineffective Bolasie. More slick Chelsea passing saw Everton's defense in tatters, a difficult volley from Costa well saved by Stekkelenburg. Barry picked his 5th yellow card for a poor block on Pedro.

Number five was a laughable waltz through the nonexistent Everton defence, Costa leaving Jagielka for dead, Stekelenburg saving the first shot but Pedro following up. Koeman hauled Barry off an gave Tom Davies a baptism of fire as the Everton fans left en masse with half-an-hour still to play.

Davies did well to win a corner off Moses, Mirallas heading just over from Barkley's deliver. Everton's first attempt to score. Barkley tackled Alonso. as Chelsea sat back, taunting those yellow shirts to come at them.

Costa looked for the 6th on a simple ball over the top but Williams prevented him from scoring as Hazard was replaced. Off the corner, a brilliant strike by David Luiz brought out a fantastic finger-tip save from Stekelenburg.

Funes Mori did well to keep Moses at bay in the final minutes, but then he did beat thee Everton man and fired in a fierce low shot that Stekelenburg was down sharply to stop.

Sad and sorry stuff from an Everton team completely outplayed in every department and utterly unable to present any kind of meaningful response.

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Alan Bodell
1 Posted 05/11/2016 at 16:37:41
3 at the back then, sounds like a right move and block the midfield with energy, it's just the ref. i'm scared of with the cheating, diving surrounding him at every tackle as Chelsea are probably the worst after Arsenal for protesting.
Roger Helm
2 Posted 05/11/2016 at 16:40:10
Eight defenders or defensive midfielders – looks like park-the-bus time.

Could this be the first 0-0 of the season? To be honest I would take it now if offered.

Pete Edwards
3 Posted 05/11/2016 at 16:42:40
Azipilawhatshisname as one of their 3 at the back looks like the one Lukaku and Bolasie need to get at!!
Sam Hoare
4 Posted 05/11/2016 at 16:43:06
Makes sense. Set up to contain with capacity to counter with BRB.
Tony Hill
5 Posted 05/11/2016 at 16:43:13
Yes, it's a very defensive set-up obviously. Pragmatic, and who knows?
Ray Atherton
6 Posted 05/11/2016 at 16:58:46

The team to play Chelsea are all International players,
also the subs, some under 20"s.
Tom Bowers
8 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:15:53
Going to be tough no matter what. Three at the back much like Chelsea with Coleman probably more advanced with a middle line of five.

Obviously they don't want to concede early and trust the defence will see them into the second half with a shout at getting the result, much like the Man City game and like Boro at City today.

John Graham
9 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:18:30
Well looks like another Man City game all over. Try to soak up the pressure and catch them on the break with long balls. Not going to be a very pretty game. Looks like we have already decided we're a middle of the table team.

Let's hope I get proved wrong. But, looking on the bright side, another great game from Barkley and a solid defence would be a good starting point. Interesting to see how the back three works and we actually use the full backs to an attacking effect.

Pete Edwards
10 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:22:05
John, how exactly do you come to the conclusion that we have decided we are a middle of the table team?

Is it because we now have a forward thinking manager who is willing to mix his tactics up depending on the opposition!?

Sounds like it's YOU have decided – so leave everyone else out of it!!

Tom Roberts
11 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:25:55
Got a feeling that Tom Cleverley will get Man of the match today.
Brian Williams
12 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:30:45
Bit of a daft statement that, John. You set teams up in a way to best counteract the team you're playing.

What did you want? A 2-3-5 formation and "go for it?"

Mark Morrissey
13 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:31:29
Wish we had Anichebe playing for us today, ha ha. Could never trap a bag of cement and plays a worldy today. Always work shy, shame, he could have been a contender. Anyway, as for today I'm going 0-2 Lukaku and Bolasie to give us all 3 points
John Graham
14 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:31:47
He always mixes his tactics??? How do you work that out?

First time he's changed the formation this season and, if Gueye was fit, he would probably have the same 4-2-3-1 formation today.

Patrick Murphy
15 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:52:49
Bolassie's still on the bus, Stek has conceded two goals that no keeper should concede and Everton look as if they have never played together before.

The oft-quoted inferiority complex kicks in again... it's just not good enough.

Colin Hughes
16 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:55:04
That is why I said on here two weeks ago that Bournemouth and Burnley were big defeats for us, as there is at least four Premier League grounds that we just CAN'T win at, no matter who is manager or who plays for us – Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Redshite.
Roger Helm
17 Posted 05/11/2016 at 17:57:57
First goal started with Lukaku's losing possession yet again and both were weak efforts by Stek. Why was Robles dropped after a clean sheet?

Game over. Just hope it is not a humiliation and Bolasie doesn't get a red card.

Peter Gorman
18 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:03:33
Some stinking performances out there tonight...
Gary Reeves
19 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:05:24
* Good job Barkley's in a stunning run of brilliant form eh! He'll surely save us... hat-trick at least?

* Sarcasm!

Colin Hughes
20 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:11:58
Two weeks of misery coming up, especially if the redshite go top tomorrow, with yet another international break next weekend.
Ed Fitzgerald
21 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:13:41
Is anybody on here got the guts to blame who is at fault???

The fucking manager – for a gutless selection, we are getting what we deserve.

Christy Ring
22 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:15:48
A bit late changing to 4-4-2, totally exposed playing wing backs. Badly missing Gueye, as Barry and Cleverley can't tackle.
David Morgan
23 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:22:24
Embarrassing, I have switched off.

Negative tactics... and like playing with 9 with Cleverley and Oviedo. No attack, sitting ducks waiting for a beating.

Why bring back Jagielka? And Barkley has shrunk back into his shell again. Barry lost it for the first goal then Coleman spent too much time pointing instead of tackling, followed by questionable keeping.

The second goal a minute later shows our mentality... weak! And then Jagielka blasting it out for a corner when under little pressure results in a goal.

I should leave some space to moan about goals 4, 5 and 6. Packing the defence is a Moyes tactic, try packing the midfield instead and having some of the ball. JOKE!

Chris Williams
24 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:23:55
3 awful goals to concede by the sound of it. Not one shot by Everton.

They are a good team in good form, but you need to compete. Could have been 5!

John Graham
25 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:24:58
Not a good performance. Bit of a backs-to-the-wall. Let's hope one or two step up a bit in the second half and give them a game.

I think this shows what a poor creative midfield we have, nobody to hold on to the ball and dictate play.

At least I think by now, Koeman, if he's any sort of decent manager, will know there needs to be big changes, maybe even with the kids.

Good or bad, always a blue... COYB

Patrick Murphy
26 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:25:43
Sack the Dutch fraud – he's obviously to blame for the years and years of relative decline of Everton Football Club! <{P>Blame Mr Kenwright for accepting mediocrity for so long that the word may as well be on the club crest.

Yes, this is a bad performance; yes, the line-up is questionable, and perhaps Ronald has made mistakes, but this sort of performance at the top clubs has gone on for over two decades.

A couple of victories at Old Trafford, one at the other place, one at Stamford Bridge, none that I can remember at Arsenal, a few at White Hart Lane, a few at Man City but not since they established themselves as Champions League regulars – not only that, but when most Everton sides come up against hungrier teams on the road, they very often fail to rise to the occasion.

Mr Moshiri had better have plenty of dosh because in the next couple of years we need to see some of it on the pitch and stop this sell-to-buy policy which most clubs of our size don't employ.

Damian Nolan
27 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:28:15
Would someone from Cleverley''s family please feel free to come on here and redress the balance because I and anyone watching that half with even a modicum of football knowledge would think he is a shambles of a professional footballer?

I want to know what he does – just one thing he does well will do.

Ciarán McGlone
28 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:30:06
Shambolic and embarrassing.

Defeatist tactics and formation from Koeman and pathetic shite football from the shower of smiley faced lazy fuckers on the pitch.

Brian Hennessy
29 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:31:02
Possibly the worst 45 minutes I can remember from an Everton team. The manager has to take a major part of the blame also.

The second best defensive record in the league before today and he goes and changes to a back 3???

Coleman way too far forward from the start and the three central defenders hadn't a clue who to pick up. Keeper should have saved both goals but it's probably unfair to single out just Coleman and the keeper, all 11 players have been terrible.

To think I was considering paying for BT Sport before the game to watch this, at least I could only see half of the poor Everton play on the low-quality live stream...

Trevor Roberts
30 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:31:07
Bring Lingala on...
Dean Adams
31 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:31:49
Patrick, if you can dig out your boots, then you would be able to join this lot. I would wager no-one would say that you would be out of your depth. Smile, as you say... this has been going on for years.
Peter Cummings
32 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:32:01
An absolute disgrace, this is no contest. Mass subs needed but too late to get anything out of this debacle. A total insult to our travelling fans and our club.

NO EXCUSE can be made in mitigation. I never thought I'd be so embarrassed to be an Evertonian in over 65 years of support...

Mark Morrissey
33 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:32:15
Wow, what a pile of shit. If we go on to win this 3-4, I'll say it now: Stek and Robles need replacing. I know nobody agrees and you all think that he and Robles are good enough for the Premier League but they are not and I'll keep saying it end of and nobody will convince me otherwise.

We need a top quality goalie and if we don't have one then we'll never be top six under the current pair. We ought to be 1 down and still in this but we're not. Our shape is all wrong etc etc but we are missing a top player between the sticks.

Forget what the rest of the team are doing, start right there at the goalkeeper position. Championship at best. I won't see your replies because it will all be "I told you so" etc but we must start at the back, win, lose or draw, it starts at the back.

Raymond Fox
34 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:36:22
Embarrassing on every level. Start playing the best teams and there's a glaring class difference. At least with Martinez we scored effing goals.

Barkley has gone missing once more, along with most of them, I have to say.

Nothing changed, has it... we are still a long way from a top 6 team.

John Graham
35 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:37:42
What can you say about BT Sport? Crap commentators, crap referee analyser... and they have Trevor Francis who is just crap. It think you will have the gist of things by now.
Harvey Miller
36 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:41:19
This was a bad time to play Chelsea, especially at Stamford Bridge. At the moment, they are so much better, it's embarrassing.

Koeman made the right choice by removing Oviedo who was not in the game. When you are playing as a wing back, you have to try to create something.

Our midfield is the problem as we don't have a playmaker. Barkley is out of his depth here as is Cleverley... If we had someone like Fabregas or even Rooney, it would look a little bit different. We would probably lose anyway but it would be a much more even fight.

Peter Gorman
37 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:46:24
John, and they are showing Everton who are crap.
Ciarán McGlone
38 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:48:34
I think the time has come to say it... Ashley Williams is bang on average.

Alan Bodell
40 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:53:56
Woeful but their first should have been chalked off due to one of theirs going for the ball in front of Steklenburg, definete interference...

But we have stunk from the 1st. minute so it probably didn't affect our getting twatted.

Dean Williams
41 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:55:36
Ashley Williams has always been bang average, as has Bolasie.

Koeman has a lot to answer for, I never thought he was the answer for us. Moyes done better than Koeman with less money.

David Pearl
42 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:58:37
Patrick (#26) – jeez yeah... it's all Bill's fault. Unbelievable
Dean Williams
43 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:01:30
Is Funes Mori really a left back? Methinks not...
Patrick Murphy
44 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:05:15
David (#42),

Of course it's his fault, he's the bloke who has pulled the strings for nearly 20 years and we have always just about competed in the top seven or eight teams in the league. He supplies the mandate to the manager, he makes the deals for incoming and outgoing players, and he sits there and takes the plaudits when it occasionally goes right but disappears from view when things go pear-shaped.

This season, on the back of today's performance and result, could send us into a very quick spiral of defeats; will the board spend any money in January? – probably not.

Bob Skelton
45 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:06:07
Nothing changes. At least Koeman knows the size of his task. What a poor team defensively. Hope it's not 10!

Telly off. Dog in garden, limping. Opening bottle. Looking at Howard Kendall on my season ticket and hoping he's stopped spinning in his grave...

Ernie Baywood
46 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:07:10
Is 6am too early to start drinking?
Mark Rimmer
48 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:14:54
Although Koeman's Everton haven't exactly excited me, I never thought we'd ever get twatted. Beginning to think those scrappy wins the start of the season may end up being life savers.
John Hammond
49 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:18:58
Impotent, clueless, pathetic, embarrassing. Chelsea hardly broke a sweat. Equal to if not worse than the darkest Martinez days.
Andy Ellis
50 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:19:05
Feel for the fans there tonight, but at least they turned up cos no-one in yellow did, utter shite. Hope they all get a refund.
Ernie Baywood
51 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:21:25
Shocking. We look leagues away from Chelsea. I can't even find a player to criticise, it's just been disgraceful across the board.
Nick Harding
52 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:21:57
Ciaran (#38) in a performance like this you pick out Williams for criticism? Are you blind?

Everyone has been extremely poor but at least Williams is trying and has defended quite well compared to the dross around him.

He has been severely let down by Jagielka tonight who may as well have not been on the pitch. Time for Jagielka to be moved on if players are going past him like he isn't there.

Rick Tarleton
53 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:24:42
I remember watching us concede six against Arsenal in the fifties and this sounds like that kind of debacle. Gueye missing can't alone count for this disaster. By the way I'm with Patrick Murphy, it is Billy Liar's fault.
Colin Hughes
54 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:25:57
This is NOT a one-off, we were dross against Norwich in the cup, awful against Bournemouth, outplayed at home to an average Crystal Palace, and lost to a souped-up Championship side in Burnley.

One more and Koeman has to go the same way as Mike Walker and not see out a full season.

Jay Harris
55 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:27:06
Atrocious goalkeeping, confused defending,constant backpassing, no movement off the ball, very weak midfield with no bite and no goal threat.

Are we talking about Sunderland? No, I am talking about the mighty Blues who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. That supposed £100m is looking totally insufficient right now. A mass clearout and overhaul needs to be done.

Whatever team spirit there was under Moyes has had the heart and soul ripped out by Martinez and confusion and fingerpointing remain.

We cannot build on sand.

Christy Ring
56 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:29:05
Complete shambles, and changing to a back three, a disaster.
We need that '£100mill', that was quoted by Moshiri in the summer used in January. We still need a keeper, left back, midfielder and striker.

Oviedo & Cleverley shouldn't be seen in the panel again, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Lewis Barclay
57 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:29:27
I said on another thread that this game was the first real chance to see where we are this season.

I think we can see where we are.

Graham Haines
59 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:31:32
One of the worst goalkeeping displays ever. If Stekelenburg is Premier League quality, there is hope for all of us.

Koeman got the tactics all wrong tonight, he and the players need to have a long hard look at themselves – disgraceful all round.

Dave Bickley
60 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:31:41
Hopefully this is the wake up call we need. I thought West Ham gave us too much respect last week and didn't exploit our lethargy in the first half especially.

I can't believe this is all down to Gueye being absent as we've been shite for over a month now. Sort it out quickly, Mr Koeman.

Craig Fletcher
61 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:32:08
Yes, we were poor today. But Chelsea, as much as it hurts, were brilliant.

As Patrick earlier in the thread said, we've often played like this away at top four clubs. The problem is, today we didn't get away with it.

The game was done and dusted after 20 minutes with Stekelenburg's howlers.

Jay Wood
62 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:32:46
Stripped. Absolutely. Bollock. Naked.

Chelsea look a good team. That's as well as I've seen any team perform in the Premier League this season. Pedro and Hazard on a different level to any one of our players.

One saving grace: Everton's best player only had 24 minutes on the pitch, but showed a verve and nerve more senior players failed to display: Tom Davies. Received the ball. Played the ball. Simples. More encouraging signs that the boy could have a future.

Koeman got this one wrong today, including his in-game re-shuffle.

Charles McCann
63 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:33:10
One of the worst performances I've ever seen from Everton. Koeman has to take responsibility for this shambles. I personally have seen nothing from him that makes me think he is the man to lead us forward.

Luckily Gana back next match and also good that Barry is suspended. He is finished. Hopefully McCarthy and Baines back too for the next game.

There were so many poor performances today. The only bright spot was young Davies when came on looked promising.

Jeff Armstrong
64 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:33:33
"The £100 mill QUOTED by Moshiri" – Christy, point me in the direction of that link, please... or shut up!
Mike Hughes
65 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:35:43
No sparklers among any of our lads.

Early season promise has fizzled out.

Roman (candle) Abramovich must be delighted.

EFC need a rocket up the arse.

Alan Bodell
66 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:36:07
The only good thing to come out of this embarrassment is that Koeman has a few weeks to see exactly what we are lacking, and oh boy are we lacking.
Scott Robinson
67 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:36:43
We have not strung together a solid 90 minutes all season, let alone this dross. Where is the buck going to stop?
Jamie Barlow
68 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:37:49
Fantastic performance from Chelsea but I thought we did okay in the 71st minute.

Koeman got it badly wrong today, starting with dropping a sub-standard goalkeeper who's just kept a clean sheet for another-sub standard goalkeeper.

The other 13 fannies aren't worth talking about.

Sean Patton
70 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:38:02
The worst display from a captain (and I use the word loosely) that I have ever seen! Watching him cart his bloated old body around was humiliating in the extreme.
Baz Williamson
71 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:39:24
That lot should give their weeks wages to Children in Need, as that was school boy football.

Shocking and not good enough.

Jeff Armstrong
72 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:41:28
Best player on the night... a 25-minute cameo from a youngster that we have been touting all season. But he's been ignored by our £5-mill-a-year "Manager" who altered a clean sheet defence to such a shambles that he replaced one of them with a fucking winger after 35 minutes!! This guy is a major bluffer and fraud, and we've just got rid of one of those.

"Here's the new boss, same as the old boss."

Dean Rolstone
73 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:41:59
No complaints about the result, we played dreadful matched with probably the best performance by any team in years in the Premier League from Chelsea. The full time score in the end flattered us.

That said I still have complaints about tonight; their 1st and 3rd goals were offside under the current rules, and the 5th was imo clearly handled by Costa to control the ball before setting up the goal. Although as we got thoroughly got outplayed I can let them go.

But listening to Trevor Francis on the BT commentary got me even angrier, I can't recall a more biased commentator for a long time. The performance was bad enough but he tipped me over the edge. I now have to let some fireworks off in this mood, what could possibly go wrong?

We need to bounce back in a positive way after the tediously dull international break against Swansea as we have a difficult looking December looming on us.

Mick Davies
74 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:47:15
Why change a winning side (besides Gana obviously) and change a clean-sheet 'keeper?

And why, with the 2nd best defensive record, do you change to an unfamiliar system in the toughest game so far; and keep the 'way-past-his-use-by-date' Jagielka on the pitch?

At £6m a year, our boss has got some explaining to do

Callum Lea
75 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:47:16
There are no words to describe our current team. We have Barkley, Mirallas and Lukaku with zero work rate, a defence that is too slow, and a manager that is clueless tactically.

I just wonder if he will be at this club come the end of the season. Things have to change, a new team, new formation... and a new tactic to give our fans what they deserve.

Tony Draper
76 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:50:59
Was going to swerve making any comment.

Then, I thought:

"Nah ! Fukkit ! I can blame that twat O'Neill!"


"Well at least we won't be last on MotD".

You choose.

Ian McDowell
77 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:51:27
We will hear the usual dross from underachievers like Jagielka about putting things right and improving next game out but, to be honest,this has been coming. We lost to Bournemouth and Burnley away recently, couldn't beat Norwich at home in the cup, so it isn't just a one-off.
Tom Hutton
78 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:52:06
Only ray of sunshine in all that was Tom Davies when he came on. A few of our forward line could do with watching Pedro and Hazard chasing and harrying to get the ball back, if it's good enough for those two...

Men v boys this evening. Before the players disappear for the international break, they should have to watch that together and remind themselves of what it looked like and it should never be repeated.

Move on, COYB.

Kunal Desai
79 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:52:40
That was beyond embarrassing. Sadly those players are still at the club until at least the summer. I think there needs to be two big phases's of clearing out the squad and the first part has to happen next summer.

The question is: Can Everton attract the level of quality needed to go that step further? That is going to be extremely difficult – particularly if we don't qualify for Europe.

Craig Fletcher
80 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:55:11
Sean Patton (70). You must have had your eyes closed to miss Pip Neville in the 3-0 loss to Wigan in the FA Cup quarter-final then?
Brian Wilkinson
81 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:56:52
Sometimes you come across a team where everything comes off, you come across a team that puts in one hell of a performance: Everton in 1985 against Man Utd at Goodison.

Bad Day at the office, but that was one hell of a performance by Chelsea. It pains me to say it but full credit to Chelsea. Lick your wounds, Everton, back to basics for our next game, put this one behind us.

Mark Morrissey
82 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:57:59
Stek was brought to the club, he wasn't really bought. Brought in by Koeman as an 'old pals act' type transfer. It felt it at the time and he ain't gonna drop him.

Even Moyes went 4-4-2 today and went for it – and that was a team who've failed to win.

We were beaten today before we got off the bus and all because Gueye was missing? Christ, that's really sad... but it's the truth.

Dave Williams
83 Posted 05/11/2016 at 19:59:47
Too many old players, too many defeatist players. We were ponderous, too slow in thought and movement, and the only bright spot was when Davies came on.

Hardly surprising that we can't build a good team using old players. The way forward has to be a nucleus of youth with some experienced but motivated players to nurse them along. This team lacks energy, lacks motivation, lacks heart, and lacks basic ability to control and pass the ball.

Jags looked very sluggish and we mustn't play two CBs in their thirties. Give Holgate a decent run in the side. Lennon, Cleverley, Oviedo and Mirallas will never be part of our future – just not good enough.

Chelsea were very good but that was a total embarrassment.

Jack Convery
84 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:01:38
The West Ham result papered over the cracks I'm afraid. WHU could have been two up before we got going. Against Chelsea a slow start was to be avoided at all costs - it wasn't. The players who ran and ran v City didn't want to know in this game.

Stek looked like the goalie who didn't play at Fulham. Coleman was lucky to be on the field for his tackle on Costa – the only time we actually touched one of their players. Jags looks like its a season too far. Williams's leadership skills went awol as did his defending. Funes Mori is not a left back. Oviedo is a squad player at best, unfortunately, due to injury. Mirallas can go as hes not up for it. Gueye is invaluable as today proves. Barry is still required for his football brain but a younger replacement is required as without Gueye he suffers. Cleverley out asap. Lennon is a squad player at best. Deulofeu can go as he can't play 90 mins and slows the game down, far too much. Bolasie needs to mentally roll his sleeves up in games like this, as doing it against lesser teams is not why we paid all that money for him. Lukaku needs to start showing more when things are going wrong. Barkley is an enigma and unless he stops letting games pass him by without him influencing it at all, why should he be picked.

I feel HUMILIATED today and the first Everton player to come out and say WE OWE IT TO THE FANS will be taken to the Mersey and dumped in it. Chelsea are a top class team and now Mourinho has left, the players are obviously happier with Conte. Koeman needs to decide which system he wants for the players he has and stick with it until we can get much better players in. The players he has now are not up to what he needs from them.

Next time we play Chelsea at Stamford Bridge unless its in the FA Cup, I expect the team to have at least 5 / 6 new players on the pitch. My final point is: they bring on Oscar, we bring on Davies – the gap is enormous so the money needed will be enormous too – over to you Koeman, Walsh & Moshiri. A top four team fit for a World Class Stadium costs, as nothing comes cheap in football. Now where's that bottle of Scotch.

Andrew Wayne
85 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:02:15
There are times when you have to acknowledge that you were well beaten by the much better team and this is one. We were awful and, if there are any positives to be taken, it will have highlighted to Ronald and the Board what an ageing and, in a number of cases, over-hyped squad we have now.

Getting beaten by a lesser team when you have had the majority of the game is hard to swallow; being outclassed by truly world-class players is a different matter. What we should do is aspire to those standards.

Tony Sullivan
86 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:02:28
Well said, Brian Wilkinson (#81), I couldn't agree more. Koeman and Jags have just as realistically summed up the performance on BT.

Not likely to calm the naysayers on here though. The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth will continue unabated.

Paul Burns
87 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:03:12
Years of relentless mediocrity have led to disgraces like this, a dreadful squad full of aging has-beens, never-weres, prancing prima donnas, and cast-off crocks from other clubs.

The whole mentality of the club has to change and it won't until we get rid of Kenwright and his acolytes who are like a cancer to all of the high standards that Everton Football Club used to stand for.

Mike Green
88 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:07:32
Yes, we were shit. Maybe we are just a bit... well, shit.


But, credit where it's due: Chelsea were brilliant tonight, maybe we let them perform but the quality of their touch, movement, understanding was on a completely different level to ours. We looked like a 3rd Division Club in a 3rd Round Cup tie. At best.

We are light years behind... get used to it.

Jonathan Tasker
89 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:09:53
Koeman, like Kenwright and like Moshiri, is a con-man. Koeman will be gone after one season when he realises Everton won't speed his path to Barca.

Koeman is a disgrace. He has allowed us to go up until the end of the year without a goalkeeper. Judge Rinder would be a better keeper than Stekelenburg.

Trust me, Kenwright is the most to blame – some of you still don't get this... and never will.

Phil Walling
90 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:10:48
The disappointing thing is that Koeman has made so little difference to the hapless bunch of players Martinez left behind.

Perhaps they are so hapless – and hopeless – that he can do nothing with them... and, to add to the their haplessness, his team selection and tactics were utter shite today!

Sean Patton
91 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:11:41

In all fairness, Captain Point was taken off at half-time that day whereas this Captain Phil stunk the gaff out for the whole match.

Patrick Murphy
92 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:12:14
Kunai (#79),

It has happened to us before, and not that long ago or that far away either. What is happening is that Everton are paying the price for not being competitive in the transfer market and relying on too many players who are way past their best or plainly not good enough to play at the very highest level.

Until the men in suits realise that they have to generate income outside of the TV gravy train and the loyal fans' season ticket money, the club will continue its downward spiral and results such as today's will become more frequent.

Once every four or five years, we'd take a pasting off some team or other, but we're now seeing at least one a season – if not a couple of such results a season.

At the same time, Everton handing out thrashings to other teams has become less frequent and most games that Everton triumph in are decided by a one- or two-goal margin.

Everton FC now stand at a cross-roads: do they improve their commercial activities to such an extent as to give the manager a proper chance of competing with those that have bigger resources? Or do they carry on as they have done for the last couple of decades, hoping that the manager can work some kind of miracle, as the Leicester boss managed last season?

It's easy on days like today to look at the short-term problem and rush to judgement on the manager's failings but the real problem – the most significant issue, that has blighted the club for far too long – is that they are still being run like a 19th century football club in the 21st century. Ask Burnley fans about their decline in the '70s.

Is Moshiri willing and able to do anything to arrest the decline? Some will argue that he already has by making Ronald the manager, but that's not enough; the club has to focus on the team, the results and to some extent on the performances.

They should be questioning why so many players, so often, feel it is okay to go through the motions when things have gone against them.

The directors set the tone that the team are supposed to live up to, but exactly what is the tone that the owners and directors are setting? And perhaps, more importantly – Does it match what the fans expect?

Paul Kossoff
93 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:12:48
I said early on today, you do not set up to defend against an attacking team, you have to go at them and try to keep them on the defensive.

What does Koeman do? The exact fucking opposite!!! It doesn't work. We were very lucky at Man City; will we now have one of the useless twats coming out and telling us how they will try harder next time?

Don't fucking pay them for this, Koeman as well... take a few thousand out of the safe wage packet, that may give them the kick up their fat lazy arses that they need.

Andy Crooks
94 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:13:51
A negative attitude from the coach, no spark from the players, an utterly spineless performance. That was as utterly shit as it gets. I thought we had some good players. We really don't.
Ciarán McGlone
95 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:14:34
Chelsea looked good because we allowed them to look good. They closed down constantly... we jogged about like a load of half-arsed geriatrics. The same thing we've been doing for most of this season... and what I can only conclude appears to be the instruction from the manager.

This is not a bad day at the office... This is every-fucking-day at the office.

Christy Ring
96 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:15:35
The one player who tried was Tom Davies. After his display, he has to start against Swansea. Ronald has to be questioned if he is not.

Gueye will be back, and hopefully Baines is back, and Koeman has to bring McCarthy back in, because tonight, he had to see players not fit to wear the Everton jersey.

Derek Cowell
97 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:17:52
I used more energy and gave more effort walking to the pub than that shower of shite showed on the pitch tonight! I then also used more energy walking home after I walked out just into the 2nd half at 0-3 when I saw that nothing was going to change! That was embarrassing.

Yes, Chelsea were good... but there is no excuse for not competing. Lukaku had no service and was not in the game because the whole game was played in our half but he's still as guilty as all the others. He once again avoided ALL heading opportunities and just left Costa totally free to score the third because he switched off at the back post. His abject laziness has now rubbed off on all the others.

That sort of result will be repeated this season away at all the other usual suspects if we just turn up and don't even try. They should all donate a week's wages to charity after that display which was at least on a par with the worst I have ever seen from an Everton side in 50 years. They didn't even look fit enough! There's plenty on this site that could and would show more effort for the blue cause. We'd still get stuffed of course but at least there'd be some effort shown. An embarrassing disgrace!!

Don Alexander
98 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:21:37
First, Chelsea were brilliant and a tribute to good coaching and professional commitment.

That said, the visible lack of professional commitment by so many of our pseuds made it a doddle for them.

This squad is full of people who, ever since BBS took over, have got used to conceding four of more goals at least once a season. They therefore accept being hammered. If they didn't accept it, they'd work hard enough in training to prevent it happening, ever. It very rarely happened in all the years Moyes was here (and no, I don't want him back). Their weasel words are an insult to us fans.

If Mr Moshiri is serious in his ambition for striving for Champions League status, he's by now surely aware of what he needs to do by way of player purchase and disposal.

Apart from Idrissa Gueye, all the other midfield players at the club would never get close to a top four team, and maybe only Lukaku would get on the bench of some of them from our, er, strikers. To me the defenders and goalkeepers deserve to play behind a midfield and attack worthy of the term "professional" before their fates are decided.

Today was far from a one-off but I don't blame the manager... yet. He'll not have seen too many thick, lazy shysters in the squads he used to grace as a player but I'm bloody sure he knows what they look like now.

Over to you Mr Moshiri.

Dean Adams
99 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:22:53
Moshiri will open his wallet and we will then get some Koeman targets through the door. Some of our team are clearly not what we require.
Tony Sullivan
100 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:26:02
Is the Canal full yet?
Dave Lynch
101 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:28:20
Don @98.

Chelsea are a tribute to a fat wallet as well as good coaching.

We are a tribute to mingebag owners and a manager who hasn't put his own stamp on the team yet.

Baz Williamson
102 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:30:02
Lennon, Cleverley, Oviedo and Mirallas were all poor and hopefully will be replaced in the very near future. They are not Everton!

Chelsea would have beaten anyone today, but we were left with nowhere to hide. Stephen, Sheedy, Reid and Bracewell are what they all have to live up to and frankly they will never be able to.

Brent Stephens
103 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:32:26
The "fault" will lie at your favourite whipping boy. The board. Bill. Koeman (not yet a favourite whipping boy but some will lay the blame at his door today – selection, formation, tactics, subs, re-formation), Stekelenburg, Jagielka, Funes Mori, Cleverley, Barkley, Lukaku etc.

The collective talent we had to put on the pitch today is a mile away from the collective talent of Chelsea plus their reserves.

I like Tom Davies, but he's not yet a choice that will stand head and shoulders above others ahead of him for the first team.

Roll on the transfer windows.

Ian Brandes
104 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:32:38
Clueless, catastrophic, inept. Players and Manager.

Looking very much like the Moshiri era is rapidly becoming a false dawn.

Phil Greenough
105 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:33:27
Paul, you would have to take a few hundred thousand pounds off them to make any difference.
Laurie Hartley
106 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:33:40
I am going into hibernation.
Ian McDowell
107 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:36:54
One thing I noticed. Chelsea scored an almost identical corner v Leicester when the ball ran through to Costa at the far post who was unmarked and finished first-time, left-footed.

How the hell did no one in our highly paid coaching/scouting team not identify that corner despite having 11 men in our area???

Tony Sullivan
108 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:37:00
Laurie Hartley (#106), I am with you.

I know what Shankly said, but didn't someone else say, 'It's only a game'?

Back in two weeks.

Ian Riley
109 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:38:18
What a nice 40th birthday present from Everton! Thanks lads!
David Connor
110 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:40:56
Well... What can you say? They were good; we were shite...

At least big Ron now knows (if he didn't already) that the vast majority of our squad aren't Premier League standard. Massive overhaul needed in the next couple of transfer windows.

Don't be greedy with the prices put on the players' heads that we need to offload. Let them go cheap or we could end up being stuck with them.

We need to improve dramaticly in the next 12 months if we want to compete on a constant basis in this league. The big question is how much is Moshiri willing to bankroll our club? Huge investment needed. We will find out in the near future...

One things for certain – it will be an almost unrecognizable squad this time next season. It can't come quick enough – this one's useless!

Tony Hill
111 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:45:01
Oh dear. That is going to be damaging. The result is not a surprise but that was a slaughter.

I don't think Everton is a happy club behind the scenes (old regime v new) from whispers I've heard and I am worried because I think there is a fundamental lack of leadership both off the field and on it.

Who is going to take us by the scruff of the neck? No-one as far as I can see.

Paul Smith
112 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:45:19
Walked out the shed end when the fourth went in and I wasn't the only one. Thank f**k I'm at home, feet up, being entertained at last, by Honey G.
Kunal Desai
113 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:45:25
It could get even worse before the transfer window re opens providing we are able to bring in players then. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool in the space of 2 weeks. God help us.

Patrick Murphy, I totally agree with the points you raise. We are a club that continues to stand still on every front and have done for the best part of 30 years. Dinosaur mentality by dinosaur people running the club.

Jay Woods
114 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:45:58
Nobody at this level loses 5-0 just because the opposition were superb. That level of result only ever means a combination of two things:

1. The winning side playing out of their skins,


2. The losing team playing badly.

It's a disgusting result, makes me ashamed to be a Toffeeman and has me again looking for joy elsewhere. Thank goodness I have a life beyond football.

Ian Herbert
115 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:46:38
'Disappointed' would be putting it too gently!!!!

Whilst I didn't expect us to tear up the league in Koeman's first season, nor did I expect us to be getting hammered by Chelsea, no matter how good they were. Can everyone now accept the team needs major change to become a force once again?

For me, Barry is finished and not just based on his performance in this game. He simply doesn't have the legs to compete when teams attack us at pace.

Jags has had his day too in my opinion; we lack pace with him and Williams together, maybe it's time to give the likes of Holgate an extended run? Missing Gueye obviously didn't help but surely we shouldn't be that reliant on one player?

Personally I would like to see some of the young players given more game time and I sincerely hope we dip deeply into the January transfer window.

Jeff Armstrong
118 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:46:54
Basically the same players beat basically the same players 3 times (I don't count Terry's offside equaliser) last season so why are we considered a planet away from them tonight? Because of wrong tactics and attitude, that's why.
Peter Cummings
119 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:48:27
I hate to admit it but we were humiliated by a master class display by Chelsea who must have thought it was Christmas the way they tore us apart. But when you play, or not play, like we did today, the result is inevitable.

We were lucky to get away with 5-0 and there's no doubt about it, Hazard was unstoppable while we struggled in every position.

I said weeks ago that the signings we made weren't good enough and anyone who thinks that we can progress with this shambles of a team and another 'suspect' manager should think again.

Patrick Murphy
121 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:49:52
Ian (#109),

Being only 40 this is only the third time that Everton have taken a damn good thrashing on your birthday weekend, during your lifetime, but not the first time they have ruined your actual birthday.

On your 1st birthday, Everton beat Derby 1-0 away thanks to a Mike Lyons goal... and on your 12th they managed a draw at Hillsborough courtesy of a Trevor Steven penalty. But your 8th and 13th birthday weekends are best forgotten as Mr Rush ruined one of them and Aston Villa ruined the other in front of the nation on ITV.

Everton's last bonfire night victory was back in 1995 when Graham Stuart scored the only goal of the game at Goodison Park against Blackburn Rovers.

Dave Abrahams
123 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:50:32
Over the years some Everton performances have left me nearly speechless... today's was one them. Even when we have won this season, the movement, passing and energy levels have been poor... today they were practically non-existent.

Young Tom Davies showed quite a few of them up... no, I think he showed all of them up. This is really a big, big wake-up call for the whole club and everyone in it, from top to bottom.

Peter Laing
125 Posted 05/11/2016 at 20:52:42
Tony @111, if true, that's very worrying given we have a new major shareholder, Director of Football and a new Manager.

Surely in any such struggle, the new will win out against the old? The alternative being that we continue to endure more humiliating days in the coming weeks and months ahead.

Phil Walling
126 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:01:35
Dean at 99: Moshiri is an 'enabler' rather than a 'benefactor'. He won't be opening his wallet for superstars anymore than he will be funding a new ground.

He may well have a contacts book to die for and be rich enough to stand guarantor to the banks and BVI lenders but dreams that he will be our Abrimovich were always that: dreams.

You can be sure that the repayments, including interest, will remain the responsibility of Everton FC albeit from a vastly increased income.

Colin Hughes
127 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:01:39
Another hiding to add to the list this century to go with Arsenal 7-0 and 1-6, Liverpool 4-0 twice, Benfica 5-0, Man City 5-0 (2000), Aston Villa 4-0, West Brom 4-0 and Bolton 4-0 (all 2005) – and they are just off the top of my head.

Who said the 90s were bad?

Daniel Joseph
129 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:02:56
Tony (#111),

why the cryptic bollox? If you've got something to say, say it.

BTW, that was Smithesque tonight. Shite.

Jim Hardin
130 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:04:46
Put this on the manager's poor choice of formation and not figuring out that the hole left by Gueye would be attacked, before writing off the players.

Three backs does not work in the EPL against good teams with pace. Chelsea targeted the area occupied by Cleverley, knowing that Barry was too slow and Coleman would be too wide. Huge gaps left in that part of the field and no-one able to win the ball from Chelsea neutralized Oviedo and Coleman as offensive threats.

As for the backs, Funes Mori actually did well compared to the other two as he plays the 3 back set (until he was moved out wide because Koeman couldn't possibly take off Jags even though he was poor). Against a very good team, the defenders do not have time to think about the positioning, angles and the openings and where the players are as well as who is supporting whom. It is suicide to do it against Hazard, Pedro, Costa, and Moses, and the very good Chelsea midfield.

Still, one must appreciate the way Chelsea are playing and just how their manager has his players playing for each other (well, except Costa). Quite a scary team on the current run of form.

Tony Sullivan
131 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:05:05
Ian Riley (#109), Happy Birthday.

Things can only get better!!

Patrick Murphy
132 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:06:13
Tony (#111),

It's not the first time you have raised questions about rumblings of disquiet in the corridors of power this season. As Daniel (129) has asked, it would be nice if you could expand on your post and give us a little insight as to how this disquiet is manifesting itself?

I'd guess from your previous post earlier this season that it has something to do with the abrasiveness of Mr Koeman?

Tony Hill
133 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:06:32
I hope so, Peter (#125), I really hope so. We have to get the strategy of the club sorted out root and branch and I'm afraid we seem to have a predictable tension when Kenwright and Moshiri are both, confusingly, at the head of the club.

That may well have little or nothing to do with tonight but we are a weak club with weak players whenever it counts. No guts, no imagination, no pride, no delivery.

Steavey Buckley
134 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:11:39
The debacle that unfolded before our eyes at Stamford Bridge was caused by one person, the manager, Ronald Koeman. He is rightly condemned for sending out a team which could not win. Even a draw at the beginning of the match seemed very less likely. Keeping the score down would have been the best result. Even that was not achieved, as 5-0 represents a real beating.

At the beginning of pre-season, Koeman had the opportunity to get rid of players who had failed under Martinez, but they are still in the team and still failing.

Then there are today's tactics. Even Martinez was not that stupid to play a 5-1-1-2 formation that just invited Chelsea to attack. Even though 3 of the goals were let in by the goal-keeper. That's 5 goals he has let in in two Everton matches and 1 goal he should have also saved for Holland against France. So his position is untenable and he has to go.

Patrick Murphy
135 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:14:16
Steavey (#134),

The keeper? Or the manager? Or both? I bet the Stekelenburg hates West London as he was apparently pretty bad in a Fulham shirt during his time there.

Mike Oates
136 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:14:31
Someone mentioned the work rate of the Chelsea forwards and midfielders . Look at our lads, Lukaku, Bolasie, Mirallas, Deulofeu,and Barkley, not one a worker, not one who knows how to mark a man, not one who can win a ball in a tackle.

Barry knows and tries but he 36 and can't be expected to do the donkey work for the list above. We are left with Gana as our sole experienced midfielder. Gibson is finished, Besic is finished, we need a 2014 McCarthy back, not the latest crab like, pseudo Gibson casualty version we've had for last 2 years.

We totally rely on Lukaku to score goals, forget the rest... Kone, Valencia, Niasse and Rodriquez etc – they'll never play for Everton.

Defensively our three centre-halves are too slow to be played together and will just drop back to limit space behind them, but then if they miss the tackle the opponent is within 15 yards of goal with a clear shot. You need Willams's or Jagielka's experience to control the formation, but against quick-thinking and moving forwards you need some youth, some speed at the back, which we haven't got. Funes Mori just looks completely lost, unsure of where to be, who to mark and how to cover... another £11m disaster from Martinez.

Let's not even mention goalkeepers as we haven't got one worth the name!

So, Mr Koeman, if you have the ability – and I'm not sure about you yet – show us how to completely rebuild a team over the next three or four windows, starting in January, as 80% of the players you've got now aren't good enough. Mid-table mediocrity at best.

Jack Convery
137 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:20:15
I wonder how many of the players are hurting as we are? I reckon they will hit the town tonight as they don't give a flying fuck!

Oh and my scotch has run out and I still feel the pain. Off to the offy....

Ian Linn
138 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:20:33
Bad day at the office. Three across the back was a poor decision. On recent form, this should be Jagielka's last season.
Steavey Buckley
140 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:21:36
Patrick, at the end of last season, I hoped for an Unsworth/Royle management team, because both know the club inside out, and know there are too many first team players who were under achieving, and had to go.

Also, they are dyed-in-the-wool Evertonians, and I would have had no hard feelings if they had failed to take Everton to the next level.

Damian Wilde
141 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:33:00
I left at 4-0. Shite manager, shite players. I said after Norwich our season was finished. Anyone actually think we'll win anything?
Brent Stephens
142 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:33:40
Steavey (#134), "Then there are today's tactics. Even Martinez was not that stupid to play a 5-1-1-2 formation."

You might want to reflect on those numbers! And the formation! Anybody missing?

Jack Convery
143 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:35:30
Every season, Southampton sell three or four players to so-called better clubs – they are a well-run club, who cut their cloth accordingly.

Koeman most probably wanted to give the players he inherited a chance. They have had that chance and now we know who is not up to it.

The difference with us and Southampton is the players they sell go up in the world. Apart from Stones, the players we sell will not be going to the bigger clubs unless Lukaku, Coleman and Gueye are put up for sale!

We have been badly run since before and after the Kendall Mk 1 era. Just think of the joke players who have been paid from our well earned cash. You could make at least two if not three so-called teams from them.

We are a joke and have been since the mid 80s era ended – nearly 30 years. The Cup win in 1995 was great but even Martinez won the Cup. It's the League that counts and we are a million miles away from ever winning it again.

And yet I will keep following the Blues – that's the real tragedy.

Tony Hill
144 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:39:52
Patrick (#132),

I have heard from someone who knows an Everton player that the new people have not gone down well with certain established interests at the club, including some coaches. The criticism has been directed at the new regime (not particularly Koeman who seems to be caught in the middle), rather than the other way.

The criticism is on the basis that they are ignorant of football matters and interested only in those who suck up to them. It is second-hand and I am as suspicious as the next person of football rumour, so take what I say with caution.

Since I am a big critic of Kenwright, I am concerned that we may have ended up with the worst of all worlds.

Raymond Fox
145 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:41:14
We shouldn't be surprised... nothing will change until, if by some bleeding miracle, the board spend countless millions on top class players and stop buying in the bargain basement. That is if we can attract top class players!

Yes, managers have different abilities but, if your players are not good enough, you're screwed.

Tony Twist
146 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:44:08
A lot of people have let the supporters of Everton down... Ronald Koeman especially. Standards are poor; Koeman was brought in to raise those standards. I don't think he has.

He rides along on the fact that he was a good player and of course he can't do no wrong. It can never be his fault – it is always someone else's fault. This is the same attitude as the players, they are always looking for someone else to produce something or create something and it's not them that's at fault – it's others.

And then it's just talk talk talk by players and manager. All mouth, no trousers. There is not a leader amongst them. Doesn't matter if we change manager or players until there is a change in attitude.

James Byrne
147 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:46:15
I never got to see this game due to being "invited" into the City Centre to watch Liverpool City Councils' version of their utter shite Pier Head Firework display!

Don't get me wrong –I am right behind Koeman – but this result is a fucking disgrace. Get rid of the driftwood in January and the close-season and let's get this club back where it belongs.

Brent Stephens
148 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:47:08
Tony (#144), that's still far too cryptic. Who is supposed to be ignorant of football matters? Coaching staff? Board members? Others?

And who sucked up to them? Players? Others?

And what is the result of sucking up? Selection decisions? Other decisions? Which other decisions?

This tells us nothing.

Peter Lee
149 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:48:23
I said before the game on another thread that last week's team was a set-up to give us practice at playing 5 at the back. I was wrong. Koeman decided to go with three.

He decided to go toe-to-toe with Chelsea's set-up, which, given that they have, on average, better players than us when they are up for it, was nonsense.

Countering a back three, you have to hit the corners and the far flanks. Chelsea did this and Koeman did not change to pull the full backs back and the midfield into a four. The only answer to what was going on in the first 10 minutes.

Later changes were nonsense. Both full-backs were exposed time and time again. Not their fault, they were clearly playing forward under orders. Taking Oviedo off after his exposure and pushing Funes Mori to full-back after he displayed so clearly that he can't do it in the Norwich game was ridiculous.

Trying then to play 4-3-3, well, words fail me.

We gave away possession poorly for the first two goals but that was as much about a lack of options with the way that we were set up.

I said before that, for me, the jury is still out on Koeman. I saw nothing today to make me change my mind. If anything, a final judgement is closer.

Those on here saying that it will take another several transfer windows and loads of new, better players are kidding themselves. Good managers take what they have and shape it into the best it can be. Conte is doing this, admittedly with players who are on average better; Koeman had done no more than organise a defence after the first two games of experimentation with 3 at the back.

Scott Robinson
150 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:48:34
I felt for Lukaku today. After watching the interview with him and Henry, commenting on how he was impressed by Koeman and motivated to stay at Everton as a result, why would he want to continue to be part of a team that put up such an inept performance?
Damian Wilde
151 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:50:42
Tony (#144), do you mean Moshiri et al?
Steavey Buckley
152 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:52:07
What is even more laughable and even questionable, most of the Everton squad will be away on international duty next week. Is that a clear sign and indication most international teams are at Championship and League One levels?
Damian Wilde
153 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:58:23
Wondering where the 'class' Ross was today??
Ray Jacques
154 Posted 05/11/2016 at 21:58:29
I don't see any improvement on last season, how sad. The club is a joke from top to bottom and has been for 20 years. No money, dilapidated ground, no ambition, sub-standard players, and a manager who I am starting to feel is a mercenary out for his own gain.

After 45 years of support, I have now given up hope we will ever be successful. We remind me of an old hick town in USA from the gold rush that has been abandoned and left to ruin with only the old days and former glories to look back on.

ps: We must be the slowest team in the league, passes hardly zip around the pitch do they? I'm disillusioned and embarrassed at that lack of effort tonight... I need another gin (bottle, that is).

David Edwards
155 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:02:41
Well, we knew our squad was not the real deal at the end of last season – but I hoped that Martinez was much of the reason for the poor performances. Koeman, wasn't my choice, but I was still positive about his honesty, motivational words and clear views on our lack of fitness. The transfer window disappointed, but I still thought we have uncovered a few good deals to bolster the squad until the real work started in January.

I pointed out that our relatively easy fixture list at the start of the season could see us near the top as Autumn proceeded and so I wasn't too surprised (or over-optimistic) that we had a good run. However, our League Cup exit disappointed (as it did in Martinez's first season), and then a disappointing run against average opposition (losing to Burnley for Pete's sake), a very undeserved draw we scraped from Man City and a rather uninspired home win against the Hammers – was nothing that put Koeman's new broom above what Moyes or Martinez have achieved much of the time.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Chelsea away was a real test of where we stand in the EPL standings – and boy did we find that out the hard way! Maybe it hurts more, because the RS have finally got a manager who does make the difference with a squad of a quality not that dissimilar to ours in my view.

So, Koeman is not the Messiah. We are not his short cut to the Barca job (that story actually quite annoyed me). However, I refuse to enter rant mode. He's not a naughty boy either.

He and we now have it confirmed what an average squad we have (as his negative team set-up today suggests) and even he can't seem to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear like Klopp might just be doing. We are in for the long haul – as already outlined by others on TW.

So, let's forget about top 4 – keep our most optimistic view that the Europa League might just be within our grasp if other teams implode – and at least be grateful that relegation isn't on the agenda this season. However, another year without success... another long-term plan we need to accept... and a hope that by 2017 a few more of the pieces in the jigsaw are in place. Just a shame it's such a bleeding unfinished puzzle, and every few years we have some clown who throws the pieces in the air!

My first season going to Goodison Park was 1969-70, so maybe I was spoilt! I thought, as I punched the air at Wembley in 1984, that such a gap between trophies was unacceptable, and despite those great years the '80s (although not without some disappointments) and even that unexpected FA Cup win in the '90s, I genuinely fear I will shuffle off this mortal coil without seeing us win another thing!!! I fear for you youngsters who might be facing many more decades of this! Still, once a Blue... .

Jeff Armstrong
156 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:08:01
David Edwards, nailed it!
Mike Green
157 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:09:52
Brent (#142),

It feels like we only lost 4-0 after reading that post, it cheered me up so much. Great :D Can anyone give me a lift to 3...? Anyone?

David Barks
158 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:12:50
Cowardly from the manager to the players. Seems pretty clear now that any time we go up against a club that Koeman has deemed us smaller/inferior to that he will just put out a team of defenders and hope to make it through. We got luckier than a virgin in a whorehouse against Man City with them missing two penalties. We rode our luck and we're employing time wasting tactics with over 20 minutes to go at home in the opener against Spurs. And today we stacked a team full of defensive players, sending a clear signal to Chelsea that we didn't intend on doing anything but defend.

These are the exact tactics that Moyes was ripped apart for. You don't have to verbally say "knife to a gun fight"; today, Koeman clearly set us out to do nothing but try to defend. Problem with that is, the other team can see that and will just focus all their energy on attacking, knowing they don't have to track back or stay alert. It was just going to be Chelsea against our Swiss cheese bus for 90 minutes.

At least it's now clear that when we play Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and probably even Leicester that there's no point watching. Koeman will just set us out with a bunch of defensive players. And we wonder why Lukaku will want to move to a bigger club. Totally pathetic.

Tony Hill
159 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:13:33
Yes, Brent and Damian, it is Moshiri and his people. Since some specifics are sought, I am told that Unsworth in particular feels at a loss. Koeman is not a natural fit with Kenwright's culture either but he is not at the root of the problem which is higher up.
Damian Wilde
160 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:13:35
David, are you fucking joking? The RS is far better than ours.
Patrick Murphy
161 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:16:38
Out of curiosity, is it usual for Everton players to travel to London by train the day before a match?

I would have thought in this day and age that they would fly down to London, mind you the way they performed this evening perhaps the train broke down and they had to walk most of the way.

Phil Sammon
162 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:19:35
Damian Wilde desperately trying to take credit for telling us all that he knew we were shit. Well done, Damian. You'll sleep well tonight...when you've finished foaming at the mouth.
Colin Malone
163 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:23:14
Koeman is a not an Evertonian, his heart is not with Everton.
David Edwards
164 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:33:52
It wasn't a year or so ago, Damian – a few stars but a lot of deadwood. Don't think we'd have swapped Lukaku, Barkley, Stones or Coleman back then for any of them.

Gagging on my words, but bloody zany Klopp has got them functioning. God, just imagine what they'll be like when Ings is fit again!!! Sorry, Damian... didn't mean that last bit!

Mike Oates
165 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:38:12
Tony Hill (#159), in a Talking Point I wrote titled "Why Have an Academy?" I also stated that Unsworth and Sheedy must wonder what the hell they are there for – Koeman shows no interest at all in the youngsters, only been to one U23 game...

It was Unsworth who particularly brought this fact to the public. It will be interesting whether after today and how badly his established players let him down – Williams, Jagielka, Barry, Cleverley, Coleman, Barkley – will Koeman blood one or or two youngsters in the next few games?

Patrick Murphy
166 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:44:44
What would Unsworth, Ferguson and Royle have done today with the same players that would have helped Everton to a) perform better b) take something from the game? Some misty-eyed Evertonians are living in cloud cuckoo land if they honestly believe that it was the formation and tactics alone that was the cause of today's defeat.

If you read Koeman's comments in full, you will see that he sent his players out onto the pitch believing that they could match Chelsea's industry, if not their creativity – how delusional was he for showing such faith in his players? The fact that his players performed so abjectly is once again a case of the tail wagging the dog and every Everton manager for the last five or six years has had the same problem at some point during any given season.

Let's for arguments sake say that Koeman was to leave Goodison before the end of this International break, how would that help us to gain better performances from the same bunch of lily-livered players who do just enough to win just enough matches during a season to keep the crowd from going over the edge? When did this lot last produce a full-on 90-minute performance against any team in any competition under any manager? Norwich at home in the last game of the season? Perhaps... but there was nothing riding on that match as the Canaries had already been doomed to relegation.

When the chips are down and there is something tangible to play for, this lot have crumbled faster than a Crawford's cracker under a double-decker bus! Win today and suddenly they are thrust into the spotlight as potential Champions League contenders... but no, that isn't on their agenda; they are far happier to muddle around in mid-table until February or March, put a bit of a spurt on and add a few points on the board before sickeningly screwing up at the likes of Southampton or Fulham or some other non-major venue and then spending the summer telling us all that 'if only' and how they will try their best the following season.

It's even worse than that these days as they don't even have the energy to put on a spurt at any point in the season unless suddenly they become aware that the "R" word is being mentioned and their cosy life might come to an abrupt end.

If somebody could promise me that Unsworth, Royle and Ferguson could change that mentality overnight, I'd drive Koeman to the Airport myself tomorrow. But those three have the same chance as any other manager of altering things in such a short space of time. Until the leadership at the club changes to a more football-focussed one, the players at the club will continue to dictate exactly how and when they apply themselves, and we as fans will just have to grin and bear it – because the manager can be replaced at a 'reasonable' cost at any time... the players know that they can't be.

Lenny Kingman
167 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:49:24
Noticed that gormless buffoon Lukacku having what looked like a chat of desperation at the end of the game with old team mate Terry. Pleading with him to get him out of Dodge City and back to where the action really is, I shouldn't wonder...
Mike T Jones
168 Posted 05/11/2016 at 22:58:04
The players are shit. Not the manager
Brent Stephens
169 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:07:12
Tony (#159) – "it is Moshiri and his people. Since some specifics are sought, I am told that Unsworth in particular feels at a loss. Koeman is not a natural fit with Kenwright's culture either but he is not at the root of the problem which is higher up."

Thanks, Tony. But I'm still in the dark as to what is causing what. So Moshiri and his people are some sort of problem, as perceived by Unsworth (and the other coaching staff? including Koeman?

What does Unsworth want to do that Moshiri etc won't allow him?

What is meant by "Koeman is not a natural fit with Kenwright's culture"?

Is Kenwright in conflict with Moshiri?

How does this impact on performances on the pitch, if at all?

All very cryptic. And making no sense to me.

Tony Dove
170 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:16:09
Two of their goals were ridiculous with a player standing right in front of the goalkeeper but not given offside.

That's the good news... the bad news is we were diabolical and Koeman is looking nothing like the Messiah.

Brent Stephens
171 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:18:05
Mike "The players are shit. Not the manager."

Lukaku scores goals. But Mirallas, Deulofeu, Bolasie do not set the world alight, nor Lennon (for all I admire his industry). And Ross's technical ability rarely translates into smart decision-making. So creatively we have next to zilch (Barry and Gana I both like, and prompt going forward as best they can). Thank god for Lukaku's goals.

Defensively, I admire what Barry has brought to us but, in a fast game over 90 minutes, the game can pass him by. Cleverley works hard but is a journeyman. Gana is something of a gem defensively. The back 5 including the keeper are inconsistent, individually and as a unit.

A few young lads are starting to challenge for places but as yet are not quite there.

In sum, one goalscorer; one strong midfielder defender, often two; a defence that might or might not turn up on the day.

And some say we shouldn't talk about transfer windows.

Mike T Jones
172 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:20:33
Exactly Brent. 3 of 11 equals shit. Actually I only value Williams and Gueye.
David Booth
173 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:28:23
I was at the debacle of a match and will be back with a more detailed opinion later. But it's important that anyone knows that – had Chelsea not gone into testimonial mode with 25 minutes left – that could easily have been eight or nine.
Brent Stephens
174 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:30:47
Yes, Mike, I understate Williams's contribution, perhaps.
Mike T Jones
175 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:42:34
Both Koeman signings, Brent. I reserve judgement on Bolasie, he always used to tear us a new one... the goalie is a stop gap.

Koeman needs 10 new players that are his buys to make a squad. I'd sell all the other outfielders who have been regular, so not Davies, Holgate etc.

Brent Stephens
176 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:48:56
Yes, Mike, early days on Bolasie (see how I can flip-flop so easily!). But my hunch is that Bolasie isn't likely to do much for us on a consistent basis.

If we are 10 players short of a decent team, then Bolasie didn't have much to overcome when he played against us!

I feel poo tonight. And Liverpool likely to do the business tomorrow.

Tony Hill
177 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:50:18
Brent (#169), I am offering rumour not an affidavit, and you can take it or leave it.
Brent Stephens
178 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:52:30
Hahha, Tony. Sorry I'm not having a go at you. I'm just trying to understand what the apparent problem is – specific cause and specific effect. I'm just none the wiser.
Andy Crooks
179 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:53:20
Good post @ #166. I did not rate Martinez and I still believe his was an appalling appointment. However, I was convinced that we had top players that needed good coaching. Frankly, there is not a single one of them remotely equipped to play even Europa League football.

The idea of shipping them out is ludicrous so I hope that Koeman can find a formation that will keep us top half and rebuild. Our tactics suggest to me that Koeman lacks belief in his team and the players respond accordingly. Today could have been the heaviest defeat in our history. We were spineless.

Anthony Hughes
180 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:55:10
I keep asking, but what is Koeman's style of football?

All I'm seeing at the moment is various formation changes set up to defend. What is his attacking philosophy?

We seem to be a pressing team that doesn't actually press the opposition to any serious degree. Earlier in the season he said we weren't fit enough... well, what is it now?

I know players shouldn't need motivating but Koeman doesn't seem able to get these fuckers up for anything.

David Barks
181 Posted 05/11/2016 at 23:57:54
I've been right there with you Anthony asking that same question. I have no idea what it is.
Bill Gall
182 Posted 05/11/2016 at 00:02:39
After this debacle I cannot understand that, when Joe.Hart was available, our manager was not interested. All the top 5 clubs have top class keepers.

What the other top 5 teams also have are experienced midfielders who can control a game; we do not have, and have not attempted to get either.

Mr Koeman says we can take some positives from this game – the only positive I can see is he will have a mop of white hair by Christmas with a haunted look on his face.

Yes, Chelsea played exceptionally well today but – correct me if I am wrong – did we not have 11 full internationals out there today who must have been coached from early ages? To play 90+ minutes and have 1 attempt at goal is a disgrace to a team of Premier League professionals.

Steavey Buckley
183 Posted 06/11/2016 at 00:18:04
Bill, Everton don't have a midfield, Barkley goes foreward by himself, Barry hangs around the back four and Gueye covers for the other two. The midfield is a debacle out of schoolboy football.
Patrick Murphy
184 Posted 06/11/2016 at 00:23:47
Brent (#178),

I'm only guessing but I would think that Koeman is Moshiri's man as Bill would never have appointed somebody that is so experienced as an International player and club manager. Add to that, Koeman doesn't seem to be the type of person that would welcome his Chairman ringing him out of hours to have cosy chats about his salad days in the Boys Pen.

Unsworth may have a problem trying to convince his charges that the door to the first-team is truly ajar, or that it will ever be whilst Koeman is the manager at the club, and therefore he himself will be less motivated to push his boys on to better things. Then there are those others at the club whose positions of power have been fortified when many believed they would have been looking for positions from outside of the club by this point in time.

It is never a good thing to have two masters – no matter what industry you are in... but, in the cut-throat world of Professional football, it could prove disastrous for all parties.

Koeman is starting to sound like Roberto, in the way he is looking at the cheque book as being the solution to his problems and issues in the squad. I happen to believe that both managers are/were right; however, I didn't and wouldn't have trusted Roberto to spend it wisely and I'm not sure that Koeman can be trusted either. But the person I don't trust the most is unlikely to sanction a spending spree as he was so used to 'his' manager getting by and making the best of what little he had available.

We all knew it was going to be a bumpy ride this season, but what we don't need or want to see is the team being undermined by those in positions of power fighting their own corner for their own best interests rather than the best interests of Everton Football Club.

Koeman may prove to be the wrong man at the wrong time and I'm a little concerned that he thinks (or is reported to believe) that the ostracised German lad is a solution to some of our problems. And i'm more concerned to read that he hadn't seen Chelsea live this season – isn't that part of his job, to assess the opposition, or does he delegate that to others too?

Tony Hill
185 Posted 06/11/2016 at 00:36:09
Brent (#178), therein lies the problem (though you are failing miserably to read between the lines). No-one is ever the wiser with Everton. That humiliation will not hurt either the owners, the board, or players nearly enough.

There will be platitudinous drivel from some mouthpieces, up to the next game, telling us how it hurts them and how they can't wait to put it right, but they won't mean it.

We have allowed frauds and mediocrities to reign over us for far too long, and there are those who are still eager to tell us how well we have been served by Bill and Bob etc., and what a great job we do by way of charity things (which make us all feel warm) – and don't mind too much what happens on the pitch. No wonder we fuck it up when we try to better ourselves.

Keith Monaghan
186 Posted 06/11/2016 at 00:40:38
How can people call a team with a front three of Lukaku, Bolasie, & Barkley defensive?

There have been several problems for ages, particularly lack of leadership and weak mentality; however, the biggest are slow build-up & lack of creativity in midfield.

Barkley is supposed to provide this but is clueless – lazy, goes hiding and has no football brain. His performance against West Ham was way over-hyped – yes, it was his best in ages, but that says very little.

Koeman has a big job on and a lot of us knew that before Martinez was fired.

Paul Birmingham
187 Posted 06/11/2016 at 00:44:30
Reality bites? Pub Team, Ale-House Team..? As bad as I've seen... and there was (and by default) no Plan B.

Fact is, our squad depends on 30% who are never fit and not worth a place, piss-poor management, and we were beat today before we got on the park. Chelsea played well but we were never there.

Time waits for no-one, but there's at least six players today, old and young, whom need to be off-loaded. The derby looms, this ain't gonna change over night.

Worst away showing in years... worse than Stoke away 2 years ago and worse over all for us as I can see there was zilch fight and hunger and it was pathetic that they played with no fight...

Scary days ahead... and forget the Europa League. Deluded? If this result doesn't get any impact, then it's time to emigrate...

David Barks
188 Posted 06/11/2016 at 00:55:53
Seriously, Keith, how can we say that? Because those three were literally the only attacking players on the pitch. When 8 of your 11 players are defensive, that's usually self-explanatory.
Gordon Crawford
189 Posted 06/11/2016 at 01:56:28
Hate to say it, but we are going to need a whole new team to compete for the top six positions. I just don't see it happening though. So many players with no backbone. Just utter crap served up week after week.
Danny O'Neill
190 Posted 06/11/2016 at 02:41:09
The problem (or should I say one of the problems amongst many), Keith, is that the midfield was non-existent. Pointless having great forwards on the pitch or playing two up front versus one if your midfield doesn't supply. Likewise you can have a fantastic defence and keeper but, if they aren't protected, the law of averages dictates you will concede.

Despite the modern era, one thing has never changed; football is won and lost in midfield. It's the engine. If the engine doesn't function, the car isn't going anywhere.

Our midfield let us down today. It didn't protect the defence and it didn't supply the forwards. It didn't show up.

All compounded by a pretty fantastic performance by the opposition.

Extremely bad day at the office. Let's move on.

Derek Thomas
191 Posted 06/11/2016 at 03:15:15
The last time I saw a team in Blue rip somebody apart like that was 1969-70... That's how good they were today. (And, just for reference, that's how good we were too.)

Some quirk in the sound on my feed made any contact with the ball, sound like a bass player working away away in the back of a track Thus, as I was half asleep (long story) and the eyes were drooping, all I could hear was Chelsea (well it wasn't going to be us was it) pinging it about like the Intro and the Outro to Nancy Sinatra's; 'These boots are made for walking'

Boy, did they ever 'walk all over us' dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum – right up the wing at one stage in five or six little triangles.

When the 4th went in, I threw my hands in the air, said to myself – you can't play against that and turned over to watch (fall asleep to) the cricket... anything to get rid of that fucker on the bass.

Everton? lucky to get Nil.

Michael Long
192 Posted 06/11/2016 at 03:31:25
First of all, credit has to go to Chelsea tonight – they were aggressive, quick-minded and dangerous throughout.

Meanwhile, this game showed just how far away we are from being like the words above, let alone being a top 4 side. The players are losers, nothing less: losing mentality, lack of effort, and just plain shite.

Stekelenburg thinks he is all Billy Big Bollocks after Man City, yet since then, 2 games, 7 goals conceded, 4 of them he is to blame. We have been crying out for a top keeper for the past 3 years and, surprise, surprise... fucking mediocrity again.

I would get shut of Coleman: poor, slows things down and just pure bone-idol. The more I watch him, the more I feel for Holgate.

Jagielka is finished, simple as. On that note, never ever a captain. Funes Mori – not a left-back. Oviedo, Cleverley, Gibson, Kone, Niasse and Mirallas all need to just fuck of elsewhere, either injury-prone or not good enough.

Gueye is massive for us, which proved tonight, Barry needs a rest, but give Davies a go – the lad looks a smart player.

Bolasie needs to realise it's straight forward direct first, showboating second. Barkley has the football brain of a 16-year-old. I look at Kante and Gueye who are half the size of Barkley yet get stuck in like there is no tomorrow, When was the last time Barkley either won a 50/50 or threw a slide tackle in?

Lukaku scores goals, fuck knows where we would be without them, but his work rate is inconsistent; one week he is a world beater, the next he is as useless as a glass hammer.

It will take time of course for Koeman, but not only do we have to strengthen in January just because of the shite we have now, but Gueye and Bolasie are off to the AFCON, so we need about 5/6 players in. If Moshiri means business then he starts in January.

If Elstone and Kenwright are our Negotiation team, then... Fuck!!
You can talk about new stadium all you want, but the mentality of players has to change out of nothing or the simple fuck off and find hard workers.

Alan J Thompson
193 Posted 06/11/2016 at 04:26:18
Gordon (#189);

I think it's the problem that comes with 20 years or more of mismanagement. There hasn't been the drive, or possibly financial wherewithal, to gradually find players who are an improvement on those we have and those who are waning through age. And of course, once we find someone of world class, we have to sell supposedly to keep going financially.

With a regular change or addition to the playing staff, and dare we say job security, there is usually an increase in effort, or backbone if you prefer, and the same by the appointment of new coaching staff. Harry Catterick, as with most top managers, was a master at it.

Ian Linn
194 Posted 06/11/2016 at 04:55:52
Well, if there's a silver lining to all this, it probably put us up the running order on Match of the Day.
Peter Barry
195 Posted 06/11/2016 at 06:02:56
It seems the song the opposition supporters sing to us is right – we truly ARE the 'Shite of Merseyside'.
Nigel Munford
196 Posted 06/11/2016 at 07:46:34
Anthony (#180) maybe Ron needs to take them to Sunderland's Nissan factory.
Andrew Clare
197 Posted 06/11/2016 at 08:07:36
When it comes down to it, we only have two good players: Lukaku (only for his goals – no other aspect of his game) and Gueye. The rest are either past it or just 'nearly men'.

The reason Southampton can bounce back quickly after selling the best players and losing two top managers is because the club is well run; likewise our neighbours, who have had an incredible level of consistency since the early sixties.

We have been a very badly run club for donkey's years. The expectations have been low for many years, resulting in mediocrity. Everton don't deserve the massive loyal support that they have. There needs to be a huge clear out starting with Bill Kenwright.

Allan Board
198 Posted 05/11/2016 at 08:24:19
What do people expect? Chelsea had very good players last season but had an idiot of a manager. They now have a very good manager again. Simple as that.

Everton had a complete prat in charge and shit players. They still have shit players. It has taken 15 years of investment to put Chelsea in a position to perform like that.

Kenwright OUT.

Kevin Turner
199 Posted 06/11/2016 at 08:42:04
Is anyone else on here puzzled by Koeman referring to us as Everton in his interviews? Surely it it should be "we", "us" etc.

I might be reading in to this too much but it hardly sounds like he's bought in to the club in a way we like our managers to.

Ian Hollingworth
200 Posted 06/11/2016 at 09:41:49
Andrew (197) spot on

You have to be realistic to be an Evertonian. Most of us knew the squad needed a major overhaul and we hoped Moshiri's money would start that process. It didn't but we made a bright start so again we let ourselves get carried away. However, with the squad we have, we should not be surprised that we are only a mid-table team at best.

You need better quality players to improve and we need lots of them. Don't forget many on here supported the debate that we didn't need Joe Hart. Wake-up call, Everton – we do need much better players than we currently have.

Whilst Kenwright and many of his old regime remain, I do not see things improving drastically in the near future.

Mark Hughes
201 Posted 06/11/2016 at 09:47:56
Three Center backs said "we are shit scared of you, attack us.

Gueye was missed but the center backs were tripping over each other.
Derek Thomas
202 Posted 06/11/2016 at 09:53:52
I think we're going to need a bigger warchest...
Andy Meighan
204 Posted 06/11/2016 at 11:14:27
Dave (#68), no we haven't often played at the top 4 grounds like this. Under Moyes and Martinez, we put up a lot more of a fight than what that bunch of cowards did last night

That level of performance has been coming for a while because, let's face it, we've been poor all season and no-one on here can say there's been one game so far where we've played well.

I felt embarrased watching that And Paul Scholes summed it up when he said we looked like an old team. And how right was that? Jagielka, Williams, Oviedo, Coleman and Barry looked like they were wading through treacle.

As for the likes of Bolasie, Barkley and Cleverley... words fail me. They are just not good enough to play at this level.

A sad night and only one man to blame for it. The manager. And God I thought Mike Walker was bad... Everton – you knock me sick.

Raymond Fox
205 Posted 06/11/2016 at 11:38:12
So where do we go from here?

We need to spend a mountain of money to be competitive at the top of the table. Will Moshiri allow us to do just that or not? A new ground won't be needed if we are rubbish on the field, I know where I want the money spent, that is if there is any!

We are still bang average – like we have been for far too long. Changing managers is not the answer, 20-plus years of make do and mend on the playing field and winning nothing tells the story.

Roger Helm
206 Posted 06/11/2016 at 11:55:22
Very disappointing but perhaps we had a false sense of security after a good start to the season against mainly moderate opposition. Yesterday's demolition by a top-class side was a reminder that we are way behind the top clubs – so it will be another mid-table finish this season.

We won't be in Europe next season so Lukaku will be off and the whole squad will need to be rebuilt with that money and whatever money Moshiri puts up. The good news is that Koeman had a good window in the summer and hopefully a few more good signings by him and Walsh will add some quality.

We all have been saying for years that our squad is nearly all dead wood; has-beens, crocks, never-will-bes, nearly-men like Mirallas and Cleverley, etc. Other than Lukaku, how many Everton players would get in a top six side?

Koeman and Walsh have a huge job over the next two or three years, but I think they will come good. At any rate, I can't think of anyone else I would rather have. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Colin Malone
208 Posted 06/11/2016 at 12:26:26
It's the day after... Stats show that our defence is good but it can't keep taking a battering because the offensive players cannot keep the ball.

Kevin Mirallas has stunk the place out since last season. Rom and Ross have one good game in 5.

Who would I have in the team at this present time? Ross Barkley or Leon Osman? Osman every day of the week. Bring him back till at least January. I would rather see Osman coming off the bench instead of Mirallas.

Phil Lewis
209 Posted 06/11/2016 at 12:30:32
May I ask all those old enough, to recall Howard Kendall's first managerial appointment with Everton. Hailed as the Messiah to lead us out of the dark ages, he made about half-a-dozen rubbish signings: Mick Ferguson, Alan Biley etc. Things went from bad to worse... I believe he was on the verge of the sack, when an Andy Gray goal in a cup game saved his job and the Everton renaissance began. A similar story is true of Alex Ferguson's history at Manchester United.

Ronald Koeman has been manager for 5 minutes! So to all of you doom mongers, for God's sake get things into perspective and give him time!!

Yes, the team's performance was a disgrace at Chelsea; yes, the manager's tactics failed. This happens in football, Take the positive from it. It should be a massive wake-up call to all and lessons must be learned. Changes must be made.

Leicester City were considered relegation candidates last season, yet went on to be Champions, not by ability alone, but by work ethic, team spirit and belief in themselves, as their collective confidence grew over the season. Money cannot buy those virtues. And for all of Claudio Ranieri's undoubted contribution, it is the player's sole responsibility to consistently perform to the best of their ability.

Perhaps now is the time for the manager to seriously give youth its chance to shine. I like the look of Tom Davies and he is not the only unearthed gem in the U23s. If the manager decides to embark on such a route, then the fans need to be patient not only with the progress of any youngsters coming into the team, but also the manager for taking the risk.

Frankly, given that even our 'new-found wealth' would only buy more of the average type of player already on the payroll, I believe it is worth taking that chance.

David Hallwood
210 Posted 06/11/2016 at 12:41:09
Doncha wish you'd taken the family to the firework display instead? A lot of people (me included) have criticised Lukaku's work rate and the general opinion is that, apart from his goals, his contribution is practically zero.

But it was interesting to compare his game with Costa, and the problem is that we don't play to his strengths. Run the tape again (that's if you haven't erased it) and see how many times Costa received a 40-yard hoof from the back with his back to goal; which is what Lukaku was feeding off.

Instead, he was getting the ball into space or over the shoulder so he could run at defenders which is Lukaku's strength.

And as for Ross, if you compare his game with Hazard or Pedro – well, there is no comparison. If Ross has a future in the side, I would put him alongside Gana, because his game is get the ball, run 5 yards, check, lay it off, not get the ball, turn the opposition with a great piece of skill, run at players and storm into the box. It's just not his game even though we all believed. It was.

One final point: it looks like Koeman doesn't fancy Deulofeu. A great pity and yet another of our 'super 4' young'uns that hasn't lived up to the initial promise.

Chris Williams
211 Posted 06/11/2016 at 13:12:08
I'm with Phil here, and one or two others. This is (yet another) wake-up call. Reality is biting us on the arse now.

Anyone with any eyes to see, and has viewed Everton close up for any length of time, knows that, despite all the lazy journalism, Everton is not a well-run club and has not been for many years. They also know that this group of players (despite a bit of a sticking plaster applied in August) is not underachieving, but has achieved exactly what it is capable of achieving – mediocrity.

It should be unsurprising that a club that is run in a mediocre manner produces mediocre teams. Last night revealed the gulf that exists between where we are and where we aspire to be.

Any progress made under Koeman is more to do with fitness, organisation, tighter defensive organisation(!) and solidity(!!) than anything else, with a continued reliance on Rom to keep scoring. All of this unraveled last night.

But here's the thing. Koeman knows this, Walsh knows this, Moshiri knows this, and we know this. But this is not a quick fix. Years of negligence and complacency cannot be sorted overnight.

I only have hope that this current regime, hopefully shorn of the main culprits soon, tackle this with a will starting on the field in January, and off the field as soon as possible.

As horrible as last night was, I have had to remind myself that I have seen far better Everton teams than this one handed their arse on a plate. The trick is to make it an isolated occurrence.

Gary Edwards
212 Posted 06/11/2016 at 13:18:10
Michael (#192) and Andrew (#197)... spot on.

Jagielka – surely the Chinese would give us good money for a current England International or the lure of a last big pay day may be enough to entice him away. He's a liability now. I feel his presence restrains Williams's natural leadership. I'd much rather see Holgate or Funes Mori alongside Williams and bring in a top notch defender in January.

Coleman – if Manchester United are that keen to buy him, sell. We have a few decent youngsters who would give their all in the right-back/wing-back slot, every game. His form has become erratic at best since life as a family man seemingly became more important to him.

Bolasie – simply needs a good slap... often.

The team is in desperate need of changes and re-structuring but when will this happen – given what is happening off the pitch, with Kenwright still running the show like one of his desperate productions that we all thought had closed years ago?

Paul Thompson
213 Posted 06/11/2016 at 13:27:00
Mercifully I didn't see the game as (ironically) I was on train back from London.

If he didn't know it before, Koeman now knows the scale of the rebuilding task – quality, attitude, work rate, you name it. I agree with those who have pinpointed midfield (mobility, creativity) as the heart of our longer term problems.

We have to give Koeman and Walsh time to rebuild (and the owners have to supply the resources). I won't say I'm confident that they will do it - as disappointment always looms round the corner for an Evertonian) – but I thinks it's more feasible than panic measures and total negativity.

Ron Sear
214 Posted 06/11/2016 at 14:22:21
Always look on the bright side of life. There were two heroes yesterday: (1) Tom Davies who, in the short time he had, displayed an actual passion for the game.

And most of all (2) the young lad who, when we were 4-0 down, went to the front of the upper shed, faced the distraught fans and tried to get them to sing and show support for the team he loved – a real Evertonian.

John Dean
215 Posted 06/11/2016 at 14:51:38
To succeed in the Premier League, you need to have international players of the highest class plus a couple three who are world class. Or you can survive and occasionally succeed with 10 outfield players who give 100% all the time in each and every game.

We do not have those polished players hiding in our U23s so just throwing our hands up and relying on Davies, Walsh, Dowell, Holgate, Kenny, Connolly, Feeney to somehow gather enough points to keep us up while they learn their trade is no answer. I like these players too but we have to be fair to them.

It's forgiveable so many of us thought Koeman walking through the door turned us into Cinderella overnight. Now, we need to show some backbone as supporters and not burst into tears at every false step on the road to the Champions League. Give Koeman and Walsh five minutes before handing them their coats.

Kim Vivian
216 Posted 06/11/2016 at 14:55:08
And to make matters worse – looks like the RedShite are going to the top of the table.
Mike Powell
217 Posted 06/11/2016 at 15:22:03
Embarrassing, we were totally outplayed. I could pick holes in it and say two of their goals were offside and the ref gave them everything but we were shocking, absolutely embarrassing.

We need about six players in January, starting with a goalkeeper a left-back, centre-half, two midfielders, and a striker because the players – and we all know who they are – are not good enough for Everton Football Club.

I drowned my sorrows last night so feel even worse now. So piss off, Everton, you have ruined my weekend again.
Sean Kelly
219 Posted 06/11/2016 at 16:44:25

Many many times I've said on different forums the majority of these players don't give a shite. The PR department gives them some rallying words from time to time but they don't / won't practice what they preach.

These same players showed Martinez who is in charge and they are doing the same with Koeman. He can bang the drum all he like but as soon as Jagielka, Lukaku, Mirallas and a few others cross the white line, they are in charge.

Jagielka is not captain material. Remember the penalty incident versus West Ham? He was tying his laces when all hell was breaking loose.

I commend this club for their Charity work in the community but surely we don't have to be so fucking charitable on the pitch.

Oh for someone withe the winning / competing mentality on the pitch of a Roy Keane.

George Cumiskey
220 Posted 06/11/2016 at 16:57:56
I wonder where the ToffeeWebber is who said Cleverley is a good replacement for Gueye, and criticised me for saying he doesn't bring anything to the team and shouldn't even be in the squad?
Tony Woods
221 Posted 06/11/2016 at 17:20:04

For me this was an accident waiting to happen.

I am concerned that a one time brilliant player and successful manager does not seem to have fired up the rather lethargic and somewhat apathetic attitude which permeates amongst players and the management at our club.

Jags says the players are scared of RK. All I can say they don't play like they are. Barclay is a good example.

I didn't expect RK to work miracles right away but he of all people must have been aware what surgery the club needed from the start . We sold JS and bought 4 players but no extra cash was spent on improving the squad.

We have an ageing team. The back 4 . Jags and Baines are showing their age and now getting too many injuries. Coleman can't read the game , gets caught out of position through lack of discipline. I much prefer a traditional full back who can tackle hard and lets the opposition know they are around . The less said about Oviedo the better .

Then there is there is less than holy trinity of Barkley, Mirallas and Del Boy

Ross is now 21 and not living up to earlier expectations ( maybe he is not as good as people once said) At 21 Rooney was more than holding his own in the PL and Eng.

For me Ross does not score enough goals and is rarely seen in or around the penalty area. He can't tackle and loses the ball too often. Again like Coleman he needs to throw his weight around. Never seems to have the same enthusiasm as Rooney who was always screaming for the ball.

Del Boy and Mirallas are similar, headless chickens , rarely score goals and don't hurt the opposition. Both lose possession too easily and fail to score even when presented with the odd golden opportunity. Barca don't let good players go.

Barry I admire he is my type of player - intelligent - tough and gives his all. If Barry doesn't play well the team struggles.

Kone - useless and should be taken to court under the trades description act.

Gibson - age means he is injury prone

McCarthy - now struggling as a result of all the running he did for RM over 3 years.

Besic - spent more time in the treatment room than on the pitch - injury prone.

A lot of fuss is made of David Unsworth and the under 23s In fact they get just as much publicity as the first team these days.

I don't understand because if these players are as as good as the hype why aren't they in the first team. Only Barkley and Tom Davies are squad players . The other promising players go out on lone.

In Jan we need to get shut of 7 players and buy big - 6 players of quality . RK says he needs two years to get the team he wants. However if he doesn't get us in the top 6 this season players will not come to the club.

In my opinion he has not got two years to make his mark. The PL is now very competitive and this season there are about 12 teams competing for top 6 places. If we are not amongst them it will be difficult to motivate the fans or players to join us. The club needs a sense of urgency otherwise we will fall behind. Just witness the shambles of getting a new stadium and decent players to join the club

Despite all this I have confidence in RK even though it is 9 yrs since he gained a major league championship as manager.

Ever hopeful COYB

George Cumiskey
222 Posted 06/11/2016 at 17:24:17
Paul Kossoff (#93) spot on!
Anthony Washington
223 Posted 06/11/2016 at 17:47:07
We desperately need an injection of youth and energy. Davies, Dowell and Holgate should each be given a chance at least up to the transfer window.
Kim Vivian
225 Posted 06/11/2016 at 18:25:43
Or a Wayne Rooney, Sean (219)
Jack Convery
226 Posted 06/11/2016 at 18:47:34
If it becomes apparent in January that we can only buy by selling, as in the summer, then forget the new stadium, as the 36,000 who are regulars right now will not be renewing season tickets in 2017.

This particular team is mostly deceased and the only reason we got nil was because we get nil for turning up, and giving the appearance of wanting to play. Several players yesterday, mostly looked like they didn't care – really worrying that – just ask Mourinho. Some players it appears have made up their minds that Koeman will be offloading them asap.

As a result we have a team split into three camps. Koemans' buys, those who believe they are on their way (eg, Jags, Robles, McCarthy, Lennon), and finally those who don't give a toss either way (Mirallas, Kone, Deulofeu). Until Koeman can put his 11 on the pitch, I can't see things getting better any time soon.

If Koeman gets us in the top 10, he will have done well, given the state of the club he and Moshiri inherited. If this is a new dawn then only money, real money will convince me a new dawn is possible; I remain to be convinced.

Andy Crooks
227 Posted 06/11/2016 at 19:07:49
Yesterday could have been a 10-goal thumping, that's how poor we were. It could gave been 10 against City. Yet, we outplayed a Burnley side that won yesterday.

It seems to me that there is a fear about the club, an inferiority, an acceptance of the mediocre. I believe Koeman is a winner but I fear that he has no confidence in his players. They are poor, really poor. There was not an angry man among them yesterday and we so much need a man for whom that performance would have cut to the core.

Over the next day or two, we will have a few platitudes from one of the spineless specimens who shamed us but really, they should just shut the fuck up and find a back bone.

Mark Rimmer
228 Posted 06/11/2016 at 19:08:14
Does anyone know what Koeman's management style or philosophy is? At least under Martinez (and this is just a comparison) you could instantly see what he was trying to do; it was shite, but you could instantly see what his style was. Even with the players you've inherited surely you at least try to impose your philosophy to see if it can work???

So far, I'm sure the players are fitter, but what is he actually bringing?? We don't seem to be a pressing team, nor possession, nor attacking, nor defensive. We lead the Premier League in one stat – most long balls, so is that it?? Are we a "hoof the ball to the big man up front" team again? If so, we could have got a much cheaper version of Koeman.

Clive Lewis
231 Posted 06/11/2016 at 19:19:23
We have not spent any money apart from the Stones money. Lack of investment was the cause of this.

Question: If we have all this money, why did we buy a keeper for £1 million?

Grant Rorrison
232 Posted 06/11/2016 at 19:28:12
Clive (#231). Are you saying the bids for Witzel, Brahimi, Sissoko, Perez, and that fella from Italy who I can't remember the name of, were fake?
Dave Abrahams
233 Posted 06/11/2016 at 19:30:38
Mark (#228),

Koeman wants us to be a pressing team, he has stated this, but the pressing starts at the front and with Mirallas, Barkley, Lukaku and Bolasie doing the pressing and trying to win the ball, it isn't working because they just don't have the heart or desire to consistently work for the ball. They did last week v WHU and we did better than the last few weeks but the players have to do it every week and they can't or won't.

When they receive the ball from defence or midfield, they just can't hold the ball – even for a few seconds to give it to supporting players, Lukaku is the worst culprit in this, he is like a plnball machine, the ball nine times out of ten just bounces off him and puts the opposition on the attack.

Until they improve, and I don't hold much hope of that, we will continue to go one step forward and two steps back.

Brent Stephens
234 Posted 06/11/2016 at 19:44:46
Mark (#228), "Does anyone know what Koeman's management style or philosophy is? At least under Martinez... you could instantly see what he was trying to do."

Mark, it's unwise to let the opposition know what you're thinking, so I suspect his approach is not to reveal his hand to anybody – possibly not even to our own players, judging by yesterday!

Gary Reeves
235 Posted 06/11/2016 at 20:24:27
Jack (#226),

Re our squad being split into 3 "Camps" but not assigning Barkley into any!

May I suggest Colomendy.

Gerald Killen
237 Posted 07/11/2016 at 04:41:48
I think we all knew we would struggle at the Bridge, as we always have, but what a sorry exhibition we made of ourselves. And the buck stops at our well-paid coaching staff.

The team had a full week to prepare, get super-fit, watch all the videos of how they operate, where the danger will come from, etc... and yet, we sent out an ageing team who had theirr legs run off them.

What's the point of having a well run Academy if some of these lads aren't given a chance? We are running a retirement home instead of a football club, and Mr Koeman must take full responsibility.

I can't wait for the January transfer window to open. I said at the beginning of the season, if we can finish in the top 10, I would be made up.

There is such a huge gap between us and the best teams in the country. We have no Cup games to distract us, so there are no excuses. Fingers crossed for the future.

Alan J Thompson
238 Posted 07/11/2016 at 04:54:42
Hindsight is a marvelous thing and, despite there being only three possible outcomes, who would have foreseen the results of the last five games and the injuries suffered?

However, with a new man at the helm why did we allow Galloway, Tarashaj and even Garbutt out on loan knowing that we could not recall them? Oh, yeah, because we don't see them in training and they need the experience.

Colin Malone
239 Posted 07/11/2016 at 10:56:27
Drop Jags. Then you will see how good he is, still a top defender.
Phil Lewis
240 Posted 07/11/2016 at 11:15:51
I firmly believe that Mr Koeman's first priority is a top class goalkeeper.

Question; What comes to mind with virtually all of the most successful teams in British football?

Answer; A consistently brilliant keeper. Banks (England), Shilton (Nottingham Forest), Southall (Everton), Schmeichel (Man Utd), Cech (Chelsea), to name but a few. A great keeper is the platform to build from. Ramsey, Clough, Kendall, Ferguson, Mourinho, were all aware of that fact.

I had Stekelenburg at fault for the first 2 goals at Chelsea and after that heads visibly went down. We as good as surrendered, until Davies came on. No team can ever play with confidence, if there is no faith in the keeper. The all-conquering Everton side of the eighties owe so much to the performances of Neville Southall.

So, come January, a world class keeper, for however much it costs, please, Ronald. Hopefully, Barry's legs alongside Gueye, will last long enough to pass his experience on to any youngsters who might come in through the ranks. I would pursue Rooney for the same reason.

Hopefully, Lukaku also, will stay long enough for us to make progress and gain the honours he seeks. I would happily sell the rest of them, perhaps with the exception of Coleman, whose present form lapse is hopefully only temporary.

Be brave, Mr Koeman, give youth a chance! To the doubters, remember the illustrious words of wisdom spoken by 'expert pundit' Alan Hansen when Man Utd were struggling and Alex Ferguson first introduced Giggs, Beckham, Neville, Scholes, Butt etc into their team "You'll win nothing with kids!" The rest is history.

James Marshall
241 Posted 07/11/2016 at 11:29:23
We got twatted – shit happens. Move on to the next one, I say.

Chelsea are in very good form and we got what deserved – bugger all.

At least the RS are struggling as well... oh, wait.

Kevin Tully
242 Posted 07/11/2016 at 11:36:31
Jim White on TalkSport saying Moshiri making announcement on stadium around 12:00.


Brian Furey
243 Posted 07/11/2016 at 15:21:21
As usual, there is an overreaction after a defeat which is the same usually after a win. Yes, it's hard to lose 5-0 to any team but maybe we were getting carried away with our defensive record so far. As they said on MotD, Chelsea were on fire on Saturday and it was possibly their best performance for years whereas we had one of our worst.

I think we are now in the position (7th) were I expect us to be at the end of the season, unless Koeman manages to bring in some good goalscoring players in January which I doubt he will get.

Some facts: We have 5 wins (yes against teams from bottom half of the table). We have 3 losses, all away from home, 1 against possible Champions and 2 against lesser teams. We have 3 draws, one away to possible champions Man City, one home to Spurs and one against Palace.

After 11 games, we sit level on points with Man Utd who have spent millions on a new proven manager and the most expensive player in the world.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be aiming higher and not be plucky old Everton but I think we are experiencing a bit of realism here as is our new manager that we need to add a good few new players who are willing to listen and work hard for the manager. It looks like too many of the current squad are not going to listen to him or rise to the occasion.

In my eyes, if we can keep Rom fit and scoring goals and we get in a few more to share the goals around, then we're battling with Spurs and Man Utd for 5th, 6th & 7th place. Hopefully next season, Moshiri's millions will push our ambitions into the top 4.

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