Blues made to work hard for a point

The Blues had to come back twice with Barkley grabbing tieing the game to gain a point against a lowly Hull City at the KCOM stadium tonight

Michael Kenrick 30/12/2016 218comments  |  Jump to last

Joel Robles continues in goal as Maarten Stekelenburg recovers from a dead leg
Hull City 2 - 2 Everton
The Blues see out the calendar year with a trip to Hull where Ronald Koeman has rung more changes in his starting XI.

Back in are Jagielka, Barkley and Valencia, with Holgate, Funes Mori and Lennon making way. Tom Davies and Dominic Calvert-Lewin await more playing time from the bench, while Stekelenburg and McCarthy are still out injured. No place for Gerard Deulofeu, who is rumoured to be on the verge of securing a loan deal with AC Milan.

The game starts with the requisite upfield punt from Ashley Williams. A loose ball from Berry initiates Hull's first attack, Livermore's shot block out for a throw-in. Barry then fouled Elmohamady, and the long free-kick cleared away, with Everton unable to get out of their half. Snodgrass tried to curl one in at the far post but wide.

Hull were showing more desire, Barkley dispossessed rather easily. More Hull pressure saw Elmohamady cross in low, and Jagielka booted it high out for a corner. and at the far post Dawson smashes in the headed on ball. The brickbats will go to poor defence but the flick on fell well for Dawson and he could not miss.

Barry committed another foul but Gana and Valencia combined to set up Everton's first forward venture, ending with a cross that did not find Lukaku. Gana did well on the next play to feed Mirallas who cut in and fired low, deflecting off Marshall for a corner that did not threaten.

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The next attack saw Barkley pick out Coleman who tried a clever header that hit the foot of the post and bounced across, avoiding Lukaku. Everton started probing with meaning, first Barkley then Mirallas then Valencia driving forward but the area was packed with Tigers.

Some poor play out of the back started with a bad clearance from Robles but the Blues survived some very scrappy play with Barry picking out Barkley wide left, then the attacked down the right but Coleman could not reach Lukaku who was well marked.

Elmohamady had acres of space down the Hull right, Mbokani getting a header off the cross, while at the other end, Barkley drove a diagonal shot a yard wide. Everton were looking a little vulnerable to the balls coming in. Blues attacks were laboured and Baines resorted to a heavy deep cross that Valencia could not reach. Then Barry smacked one just inches wide, almost deflected in off Dawson.

The tempo was ramping up up with Everton pressing hard but Hull defending well, and Maguire ran forward and screwed in a testing cross that was put out beyond the far post. Everton attacked again, moving the ball well enough, but increasingly frantic defending by the home side was thwarting them. Valencia's drive was deflected out for a corner, taken by Mirallas but leading to more laboured build-up and probing but with little sight of Marshall's goal.

Lukaku drove into the middle but a sea of bodies meant more deflections and an end to another attack. Hull attacked to relieve the pressure and won another corner from Snodgrass, cleared easily but lost in midfield. Myler was then tripped giving Snodgrass another chance to create more trouble.

Everton probed and prodded away slowly again and were stopped, with Hull building another attack that faltered. At the other end, Valencia got behind the back line and played in a great cross but Lukaku was miles away from it. Back to defence and Gana again cleaning up. Then another slowly constructed attack finishing with Mirallas screwing his shot wide.

Baines played in a great ball to Lukaku's feet, his shot deflected behind for a corner from which Mbokani and Marshall contrive to score a nice own-goal for Everton on the stroke of half-time. Mbokani's head hit Marshall's punching arm, and the ball spun off his forearm straight into the Hull net.

It took a few minutes to get going after the restart, Mirallas and Barkley galloping forward, played to feet for Lukaku to set himself and shoot, the shot deflected up off a defender and then brilliantly tipped onto post and bar by Marshall to deny the big man.

The Blues were pressing harder now, Barkley almost playing on Lukaku. Then Mirallas firing at Marshall. Lukaku then playing an inviting ball for Barkley to run on to and he really should have dome a lot better with his shot that hit Marshall. At the other end, a free-kick lined up by Snodgrass and smashed into the frame of the goal with Robles rooted. < /p>

Everton won a corner played high to the back post by Mirallas. Mbokani ran across Jagielka, drawing a foul, and a card for the Everton captain, the free-kick going out for a corner, initially cleared but then back in by Elmohamady and stopped by Robles. Elmohamady then booked for his foul on Mirallas.

Maguire intercepted a loose pass and ran forward, getting a soft foul off Baines, and giving Snodgrass another chance and this one was brilliant, all the way around the wall and into the top corner, pawed at by the flailing Robles.

Koeman made a change with Davies on for Barry. Hull went trough a decent spell with their lead restored while Everton struggled to regroup. Another corner punched away by Robles and the Blues tried to break but were stalled. The Blues were having a tough time breaking out as Hull kept pushing back. Lukaku seemed to make space only to make a lazy useless pass. Barkley seemed to be fouled but no said Moss.

Calvert-Lewin replaced Valencia who had run around well. Barkley almost got a low cross in for Lukaku. Davies dragged down Snodgrass (literally) for a yellow card. DCL was fouled wide right for a Barkley set-piece that turned into another Hull attack until Livermore fouled. But Everton attacked again and won a corner. More pressure saw a hard Davies cross seem to strike a hand but it was not clear-cut.

Barkley was immediately closed down as he shot, after being invited by Davies. Maguire then caught Mirallas but Everton totally wasted the free-kick, trying to take it quickly. Baines paused on the left, looked up, and swung in a great ball n for a good downward header from Barkley to equalize again, with 6 mins left.

Davies ran forward with the ball but lost it easily and from the move Hull won a corner. Robles tried a long ball to release Lukaku. It was still competitive despite Koeman seemingly locking up with Funes Mori on instead of Lennon. A fantastic cross from Coleman, Calvert-Lewin seemed to have the goal at his mercy but headed wide.

Davies doing everything to try and win a penalty but he over-egged it a little, the blues looking to press through 4 minutes of added time. At the other end, Funes Mori played in Mbokani but his cross was not converted.

It was another painful struggle, perhaps some positives from Barkley using his talents a little better but still not dazzling.

Hull City: Marshall, Dawson, Davies, Maguire [Y:62'], Robertson, Meyler (56' Clucas), Livermore, Elmohamady [Y:62'], Snodgrass, Mbokani, Diomande (85' Huddlestone).
Subs not Used: Maloney, Jakupovic, Weir, Henriksen, Mason.

Everton: Robles, Coleman, Williams, Jagielka [Y:59'], Baines, Gueye, Barry (65' Davies [Y:75']), Barkley, Mirallas (87' Funes Mori) , Valencia (74' Calvert-Lewin), Lukaku.
Subs not Used: Hewelt, Holgate, Cleverley, Lennon.

Referee: Jon Moss

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Jeff Armstrong
1 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:08:11
He's doing the same as Brown Shoes, changing a winning team. Let's hope it works out better this time.
Craig Fletcher
2 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:08:40
Surprised Barry starts – doesn't he struggle to play two games within five days? I was hoping maybe Davies would get his opportunity... Anyways, COYB!!!!
Tony Hill
3 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:09:38
I am disappointed that Jagielka and Barry are playing. Unimaginative and potentially damaging. I still expect a good win.
David Booth
4 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:09:40
Looks like the end for Deulofeu?
Soren Moyer
5 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:11:54
Why would you replace a mobile defender like Holgate with an aging, error prone and slow Jagielka?
Dave Williams
6 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:12:33
Barry to get an hour then make way for Tom to inject more energy.
Disappointing to see the old guard so prominent again.
Mike Gaynes
7 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:18:49
Soren, he's not replacing Holgate, he's replacing Funes Mori.
Bobby Mallon
8 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:19:34
Why oh why do Managers change the team when they have just won.

This is going to be a long night. Our away record is horrid and 3 centre-halves looked good.

James Doran
9 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:20:52
Agreed, David. Did you manage to get to the derby, by the way?
Ciarán McGlone
10 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:27:02
The worst trait a manager can have is not learning.

I see no evidence of learning about his best team from Koeman. He's all over the place with his selections and formations.

Gareth Barry should no longer start any games. And we don't need two defensive midfielders.


Geoff Evans
11 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:29:06
Barkley, why? Can't see any better than 1-1, at best.
Jay Wood
12 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:29:49
Played on Monday, playing again today Friday, then another game Monday, having already played 3 games in a week before that.

Of course Koeman has 'changed a winning side.' It's GOOD management not to risk injury at this manic time of year with so many fixtures squeezed into such a short space of time.

It looks like a flat back four, with a variety of combinations possible forward of that, depending on the game situation.

And unless he is injured, there is probably something in the rumour that Deulofeu could be headed out on loan if, once again, he doesn't as much as make the bench tonight. Disappointed by that personally.

Tony Twist
13 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:33:54
My god, it's Moyes Mark 2! Does it need injuries before playing the players that should be playing. Koeman is blinkered beyond belief. Cleverley shouldn't be anywhere near Hull tonight.
Ciarán McGlone
15 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:45:36
Koeman just said "impossible to start with same eleven"..

He left out the all important explanation.

Andy Ellis
16 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:47:30
What does Holgate need to do to keep his shirt? Baffling!
Ian Hollingworth
17 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:48:39
Jags and Barry in... oh dear!
Joe O'Brien
18 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:49:40
My only gripe is Jags back in. Should have more of the ball so not a bad game for Barry to play, but Jags is a accident waiting to happen (or should I say a penalty waiting to happen). Still expecting to win this one though.
Ed Fitzgerald
19 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:55:17
Jagielka in ahead of Funes Mori and Holgate; another baffling decision from a manager who is starting to make Moyes look positive!

If we win, no doubt some on here will be celebrating Koeman's tactical acumen. He pisses me off...

Robin Cannon
20 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:55:28
Why do we continually play two defensive midfielders? I really don't see any difference between our formation and approach most of the time between now and under Martinez?

Robbie Earle on NBC coverage said that we're a team "with no identity". That seems about right, and my biggest fear. There's no real sense of progress or a specific approach, even in the nascent stages. We just kind of play, and muddle through or not, without it seeming to be building towards anything.

Brian Porter
21 Posted 30/12/2016 at 19:59:11
Why Jagielka ffs? Funes Mori should be getting a run.
Colin Hughes
22 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:08:50
1-0 down after 6 minutes to the bottom club... didn't we just know when a team needs a result, the footballing doctor of Everton arrives in town.

We should be blowing shite like these away.

Ciarán McGlone
23 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:10:37
Absolutely predictable.

Jagielka making howlers and Barry waddling about the pitch.

We talk about Barkley's brain... I think we need to discuss Koeman's brain.

Phil Sammon
24 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:18:16
I hate this Everton team.

Why is Enner Valencia, a loanee, doing more running than the rest of the forward line combined?

Why is the full-back, Seamus Coleman, the only player willing and able to attack a football in the opponent's box?


David Milner
25 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:19:19
1-0 down after 6 minutes & Jags the donkey has not given away his usual penalty yet.

If players cannot play 3 games in a week, is that because of their age? Then why Jagielka, Barry & Williams?

Anthony Millington
26 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:25:42
Bring Deulofeu back!!
Phil Sammon
27 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:32:16
Jags & Barry seem to be the whipping boys currently... and with good reason. They are both out of form, and desperately need dropping. I like both of them, but this is just like Martinez behaved with Howard and Barry a couple of seasons ago.

No incentive for them to up their game. Demoralising for the likes of Davies and Holgate who are whisked out of the team after performing well.

David Milner
28 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:44:20
If I were Mason Holgate or Tom Davies I would be wondering what I would have to do to get a regular game. Just playing well is not good enough it seems.

When Jags, Barkley, Cleverley & Barry are dropped they are always put on the bench. Leave all 4 at home & put Kenny, Dowell, Walsh & Browning on the bench.

Tony Hill
29 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:50:07
Luck. Very important.
Chris Williams
30 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:53:58
Folks, we've given away a bad first goal AGAIN but we have been by some way the better team all night. Now we're level we should go on and win this.

Obviously if we don't then it must be down to Jags or Barry or Baines or all of them. They are clearly crap footballers.

John Parker
31 Posted 30/12/2016 at 20:54:40
That was very poor, need to improve big time 2nd half, we're making them look half-decent.
David Milner
32 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:03:02
I don't think we can say Jags, Barry & Baines are crap footballers as they have all given good service to the club. But with age their days are numbered. Remember we played Southall & Ratcliffe when they were passed their best & look how that turned out.

We have Galloway & Garbutt back in January so Baines should not be an automatic choice. Barry remember has been given another year so maybe he should be used sparingly & be used to help the youngsters through.

Jags is another thing altogether. His legs are gone & he has always relied on his timing. If his timing is out he gives away penalties, sound familiar?

Jay Wood
33 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:03:08
Jags 'the donkey' making howlers?

Examples I think of people viewing the game with preconceived opinions about the player. Jags and Williams have been solid, with no gaffes.

The problem is more in centre midfield with Barry and Gueye. Both have been porous, allowing runners from deep to go past them, and when either get the ball, some of their passing has been woeful, although Barry has been marginally better. Ross needs to be on his toes and moving more than he is.

Hull scoring was inevitable the way both teams started. We've very gradually got a foothold in the game, but we are not competing for or winning enough second balls.

Our passing, as is oft the case, is ponderous and seldom takes opposition players out of the game or gets in behind a deep-lying and packed defence.

The front 3 of Lukaku, Mirallas and Valencia are showing some threat and hopefully one of them will put away at least one chance in the 2nd half.

But -–by 'eck! – it remains painful and frustrating viewing watching this current Everton team.

Roman Sidey
34 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:08:31
Phil Sammon, it is probably BECAUSE Valencia is a loanee that he does so much running – he's after a full time job.
David Milner
35 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:20:42
60 minutes gone & Jags gives away an unnecessary free kick & gets booked. 60 minutes is his maximum nowadays & we were lucky to not go behind.
Ciarán McGlone
36 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:20:54

I would suggest you watch the first two minutes of the game again. Jagielkas first fluff had to be cleaned up by Williams.

Colin Hughes
37 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:25:05
Well there goes any hope of 3 points against the worst side in the league if the table is anything to go by.

Bad bad Everton side this when we make hard work of getting points against Burnley, Swansea, Watford and Hull.

Colin Hughes
38 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:33:53
Hull are minus 25 on goal difference yet we have had to rely on an own goal to break them down.

Forget this "Koeman needs time," the performances under him are fucking shocking. We have better players than Hull, Swansea and Watford so why are we not beating them?

Andy Ellis
39 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:38:40
We are clueless, Koeman is clueless. What exactly are our tactics? No Plan A never mind B. Same as Watford etc. These are absolute shite yet we make them look good. It won't get better under this guy, no matter how many transfer windows he gets chance to blow the money on.
Stan Schofield
40 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:39:06
Colin, Koeman might need time for us to be a consistent top-6/European qualification side, but quite frankly in terms of beating opposition like Hull, he should be showing improvements NOW.
Mark Andrews
41 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:39:12
Jees we're rubbish. If Davies is "the future" we're in trouble. I've watched him play and can't see what the fuss is all about. Can't keep possession and always passes sideways or back, like a new age Rodwell.

We're playing Hull. Hull! Is this it? Koeman is a man who'd ambition outstrips his managerial ability.

David Milner
42 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:41:09
I am afraid the Manager picks the team, so if he picks the wrong team then he has to accept responsibility.
Victor Jones
43 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:45:06
We beat Leicester City . Koeman rotates the team. We are then shite against a very poor Hull City. What's the point in rotating?

Rotating only works if you actually show up and win the match.

What's the point in saving players for a match in another three days time , if you don't win this Hull City game.

And there are no guarantees that this Everton team will beat Southampton...

David Milner
45 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:52:06
Well I think that is 2 points lost rather than 1 point gained.
Tony Abrahams
46 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:53:07
How could you blame Koeman, for that? We were so much on top in that second half it was embarrassing, and then we just stopped playing.
Ciarán McGlone
47 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:53:30
Koeman is a fuckin coward.
Ernie Baywood
48 Posted 30/12/2016 at 21:54:43
Watching that game I'd honestly consider playing a centre back up front and Rom on the wing. Rom offers absolutely nothing as a lone forward. He was worse than that fool Hull had up front.

Stop playing him in that role.

Couldn't understand Gana's performance. Light years away from his best efforts. Switched off ahead of the African Cup?

Only bright spots for me where Mirrallas and Barkley's second half. Davies and Coleman gave it there all as usual.

Chris Williams
49 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:00:05
Poor performance . Should have won against this side but once you concede first you are always vulnerable to set pieces and things like that. The chances you create and miss just add to the pressure. Twice hitting the woodwork and Calvert-Lewis missed a good chance.

Always chasing the game.

It happens far too often early on and can't be a coincidence. Stop that and suddenly you have another 6/8 points in the bank.

Not down to individual players really. But Davies looked handy

We don't seem to learn the lessons as a team.

Tony Abrahams
50 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:00:35
It was the players who stopped playing when the game was there for the taking, though, Ciaran, so surely they are the ones to blame, for not pushing on and making easy work of it?

I was watching that game shaking my head, because of so many mis-placed passes, and only Tom Davies was giving me any hope, simply because he looks like he really wants to win.

Roman Sidey
51 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:01:16
I thought the side selected and the subs were fine. What wasn't fine was the skill level shown by Everton players. I'd say a large percentage – I'm talking 70%+ – of passes were under-hit to the point where the receiving player had to stop and move backwards to receive it. It was only that Hull were/are terrible that we kept possession for any respectable amount of time.

Jags and Baines (cross assist aside) are finished as footballers. Barry didn't have a great match, and that could be Gana's worst since he signed.

Blame the manager all you want, but when your two most veteran defenders can't defend without giving away dangerous free kicks and penalties, you're going to concede goals.

Neil Sagar
52 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:02:11
Hardly a surprising result given the team selection: far too many over-30-year-olds, hence the slow start. Barry and Jagielka can't be in the same team; Mirallas played well; Barkely's decision making is still awful.Tom Davies is too raw to be considered to start.

Let's do Southampton at home and then get some players in – otherwise, we'll continue this type of result against shit teams.

Tony Hill
53 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:02:37
An utter disgrace. I am afraid that the game summed up everything that makes us one of the dreariest and most cowardly sides in the league. No wonder the Red Shite laugh at us.

Geoff Evans
54 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:02:51
Lucky to get a point against a Championship club. Says it all. Fucking dross.
Ciarán McGlone
55 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:05:50

I'm specifically talking about his decision to change an offensive sub to a defensive one after we equalised. He changed his tactics to play out the draw. That's criminal against a pub team.

And he is most definitely to blame for his choice of starting eleven and substitutions... Valencia was our best player, and he hooks him.

The guy is fucking baffling. I'm slowly drawing to the conclusion that he's a bit thick.

Chris Williams
56 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:06:25
The message on Sky seems to be Hull were unlucky and Everton were poor. Neville was banging on about too many old players early on so must have been a preconceived notion. He's a twat.

Ross has been practicing his heading and fair play.

Poor display, slow start.


Neil Cartwright
57 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:06:38
I've now officially had it with Lukaku. If you are a centre-half, he would be a piece of piss to play against. He never puts his head in, he never makes space for anyone else.

His control when it's played into him is worse than most 12-year-olds. Lost count of the number of times the ball came straight back to them off his feet and chest. We should cash in as soon as we can get a replacement.

Oh and Barry was shit as well. If you give Snodgrass enough chances, he's going to score.

Geoff Evans
58 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:06:40
Tony, it's not just them mate.
Tony Heron
59 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:06:46
I've been Barkley's biggest critic but I have to say I enjoyed watching him tonight. Not because he had a really stand-out match in terms of bossing the game but just for the shear joy of his artistry with the ball.

A couple of times, he pulled high balls down out of the sky with supreme skill, his passing was always perfectly weighted, and he was always looking for a killer pass.

Keep it going, Ross.

Roman Sidey
60 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:08:41
Ciaran, I wouldn't say the Funes Mori sub was negative. Going three at the back, pushing both your fullbacks up the pitch at the expense of one attacker isn't the worst move in football. Also, Funes Mori has a goal in him from corners.
Jay Wood
61 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:08:54
So Ciarán @ 36... you can recall one 'fluff' by Jags, rather than the plural howlers you charged him with after but 10 minutes of the game...?

Okley-dokley. I repeat. Jags and Williams had solid games.

And David Milner. Jagagielk's booking was not because he was slow or outpaced (his speed is still good). The player came out of the blind side and Jags concentrating on the ball caught him. It happens. Nothing wrong with his stamina either.

Their 2nd goal, if you did but note (but don't) resulted from Gueye (who had a very poor game and was lucky not to be subbed out) again made a hash of a very simple pass (as he did all game) to Mirallas. This led to the attack from which Baines conceded the free kick Snodgrass superbly scored from (though having been let off by the same player a few minutes earlier, I felt Robles should have taken more care in setting up the wall and with his positioning to be better able to defend the shot).

I agree with you, David, on one point. That was 2 points dropped, not 1 gained. One win in now 17 games with the pitiful goals for, against and difference they have, away to Hull should be a nailed on 3 points for a team (and supporters) with genuine ambition to challenge at the top of the league.

Ross had a much better 2nd half and Tom Davies again impressed, but I can see why he is still used sparingly by Koeman.

Calvert-Lewin will be rueing the one that got away. He should have scored his 1st Premier League goal and won the game for Everton at the death.

Mark Morrissey
63 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:09:27
No point people on here defending Jags just because he's been a good servant. He is past it. Barry is past it. Williams is past it.

By "it" I mean their best days are behind them. The purchase of Williams is still baffling. Tonight Jags, Barry and Williams were tragic. They form the experience and part of our spine. Our spine is looking old, gnarled and slow. It's no wonder we look slow and shite.

Wake up Koeman. It's there, staring you in the face.

Tony Twist
64 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:10:02
I think that game is an honest reflection of the club... basically sub standard.

School of science, I don't think so. Manager is clueless like the man before him.

The transfer window just about to open and it is like Groundhog Day, the only certainty signing is an unknown youngster, one for the future, joke.

New ground, that old chestnut, well we live in hope. Everton are an embarrassment at the moment, a laughing stock.

Players and manager should take a long hard look at themselves after that performance but do they really care anyway. Let's hope for brighter future in the new year.

Ray Jacques
65 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:10:13
I've been on the ale in Manchester all day as I live there now so my mind is a little out of kilter. However, I insisted on getting home to watch the game.

I wish I had stayed out!!!.

My son has gone to Hull tonight; I told him not to bother. After 50 years watching Everton, I always expect the worse. New owner, new manager and we are still awful.

The performance tonight was embarrassing, a good team would take Hull to the cleaners. I want to like Koeman but I don't see progress.

Jagielka/Barry are not the future so don't play them. Holgate should start every game with Davies... let them learn. Put Coleman in midfield and get some support to Lukaku, he is so isolated it's a joke.

Derek Knox
66 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:10:31
I think from what little I saw of the game (crap link) it is patently obvious, we need, almost a complete overhaul of the Squad!

Considering we were up against a poor, but determined, side, we were crap in all areas. That is not the first time this season either.

I am honestly struggling to take any positives from that performance. While I appreciate Ronald Koeman took over a poor bunch, bar a couple of players, he has his work cut out this coming few Months!

John Parker
67 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:11:52
I'd have taken 4 points from 2 away games, but after beating Leicester you want more. That's the positive... negatives, where do you start?

Calvert Lewin and Davies great potential but a big ask to throw them in. Valencia puts a shift in but very average. The over-30 brigade, that's what they are, think slower, react slower and run slower. Ross Barkley, 6ft-2in, yet takes every set-piece... gets in box today and scores a header. His delivery is only average anyway, Rom turns up now and again.

We need at least 4 new players. A big few weeks coming up

Simon Smith
68 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:12:46
Terrible game to watch as a blue. it could and should have been 3-2 at the very end . But with more composure we could have had the game wrapped up at the start of the second half.

However, in typical Everton style, we completely let Hull back into the game and conceded another inevitable goal.

Very stressful, this Everton business... Terrible refereeing too!

All-in-all, a pretty miserable end to Christmas!

Ciarán McGlone
69 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:12:47
Bringing off Mirallas and bringing on Funes Mori is a defensive substitution, whatever way you try and slice it.

Lennon was primed to come on, and he binned that once we equalised. Cowardly.

Brian Hennessy
70 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:13:27
Not our worst performance of the season but showed we need to buy well in January. I thought Gana had his worst game in an Everton shirt, gave the ball away a lot and not committed in a few tackles – looked like he had one eye on the AFCON,

Barkley never stopped trying and deserved his goal. Mirallas was very good and Davies showed glimpses of the talent he has. I know some people want him on from the start instead of Barry but I would love to see them both on the pitch together, I think we would hold the ball much better.

Our No 1 target for January window should be a player to support Lukaku, still not convinced by Valencia and unfortunately I haven't been impressed with anything I have seen from Calvert-Lewin so far.

Henrik Lyngsie
71 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:14:17
Very frustrating to watch. We should really be able to beat a team like Hull. But we don't really run and control the match.

Three main observations:

1) we are playing so slowly. We are not moving the ball quickly enough. So many soft passes in the middle of the park. It is so easy to defend without even using too much energy.

2) Nice to see Mirallas. He looked really lively. Worked hard and created a lot of good things. I hope he continues because he should be a regular in front of Lennon and Valencia.

3) Barkley. Good goal and good to see him getting into the box. But he is still so frustrating to watch. Mainly of course because he appears to have so much potential.

When Barkley is on the ball at times it looks really promising. But he never anticipates anything. He never wins a loose ball. He only pretends that he is participating in chasing the ball.

When two Everton players are chasing the ball, Barkley never joins in and anticipates where he needs to move. I think he ought to control a match against a team like Hull but he doesn't. He makes some good things 3-4 times that is it.

I wonder if he played for a team like Man City with a lot of possession if he would shine. Maybe he would really blossom or maybe his limitations would really be exposed. Such a shame he is such a beautiful player when he is on the ball. I really hope he will come good but so far he is the most frustrating to watch.

Brian Williams
72 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:14:23
Poor, poor, poor.

Five out of the eleven starters have to be replaced.

Our build up play is slow, plodding and so repetitive. We lack ideas, creativity, and in a lot of fifty fifties it showed we lack bottle too. Hull are a very poor side lacking in goals and confidence and we GAVE them both.

I've never wished time to pass so quickly as I'm wishing the next two transfer windows to come and go.

Tony Abrahams
73 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:15:06
Valencia was our best player in the first half, Ciaran, but I thought the lad was getting worse by the minute, and I wasn't surprised to see him get dragged off.

I don't even know who we had on the bench, but if Calvert-Lewin scores that header, I think Koeman, would have been getting a lot of praise for that change.

I'm not convinced by our manager either, and think playing Barry is a complete contradiction, in how he wants us to play, but we had Hull all over the place during that second half, and it was our players who let us down, because they stopped playing, when the game was there to be won.

"Good players step forward, Tom Davies, stepped forward". The rest of them? Well I'm just not sure.

Ian Bennett
74 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:16:02
Slow start – check
Cheap set-piece goals – check
No hold-up play – check
Too man oldies in the starting XI – check
No real definable approach play, other than panic – check
Shit goalkeeping – check

Ed – Copy and paste to the next match to save me a job...

Ciarán McGlone
75 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:16:22

Jagielka made several blunders throughout the match. I simply thought the glaringly obvious one he made within the first two minutes of the game would have been enough to put your synopsis that he was fault-free to bed... clearly not.

Dean Rolstone
76 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:16:53
As an Evertonian living in Hull, I could sense that we wouldn't get the win tonight as The Tigers were due some luck with their recent performances – and they got a bit of it tonight us hitting the woodwork at least twice, although thinking about it they had a bit of bad luck too, with our first goal, and Snodgrass hitting the bar.

The second goal was never a free kick, Baines's arm brushed their centre-back's shoulder and he fell to the floor, as soon as that was given I knew the outcome. Did we deserve all 3 points, I don't think so but young Calvert-Lewin should've buried that header. Would a more experienced striker scored it? Who knows... but I thought both youngsters showed good cameos tonight.

Tonight's game showed we are still some way of where we want to be, do we show patience with Koeman and what he's trying to achieve when he's moulded his own team or do we roll the dice and go down a different route?

Don Alexander
77 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:18:27
Another very uninspiring performance, another point, and another reminder that we're way short of quality as the Transfer Window opens.

Just about any player aspiring to join our club, aspiring as they should be to be part of a club consistent in Europe, will not have been impressed by what we've shown tonight and this season. To gain such appeal demands more than two or three good players now, so that by the end of season we can attract two or three more. Only then will we have a chance of achieving the much vaunted Moshiri project.

January will tell us much.

Laura Round
78 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:18:42
I love Gana but he waas poor for me tonight. Pleased for Barkley because deep down I want him to stay and be the best. Nice to see some passion from Davies who I think will be filling in for Gana. He gave that linesman what for!

Holgate must start and it's a back three for me. Set Coleman and Baines free. I felt a Coleman goal was far more likely than a Lukaku goal... how sad is that!

Derek Knox
79 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:19:22
Brian @72

Only Five?

You are very generous my friend, maybe it's the Xmas spirit clouding your perception mate, but I know where you're coming From!

Gerry McGuirk
80 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:19:39
Just made it down to the pub for the second half. I had seen the reports on the first half and was presuming that having grabbed s lucky equaliser we would power on to win the game. How wrong can you be! What a frustrating display ..we any of our guys even interested in winning? I've watched a lot of football but have never seen a team that are so sloooow in their build up and lacking in penetration in the last third. Lukaku did another one of his disappearing acts ..I really think that in some games he has a force field around him as the ball just seems to bounce off him any time it is played up. Serious squad surgery needed in the transfer window. There are too many who aren't prepared to die for the shirt .us fans expect and deserve that! Earn your money or or you bike. By the way that includes you Mr. Koeman!!
George Cumiskey
81 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:21:01
Another terrible performance how can you change a team that has just beat the champions 2 nil at their own ground ? I'm starting to think he hasn't a clue . Barry jags and baines are past it and ok Barkley scored but besides that was shite and needs shipping out asap !
John Pierce
82 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:21:30
All the project gurus out there, 2windows n all that. In what world is that performance, representative of the season, acceptable?

It was no better that Leicester, against two sides both low on confidence and results.

Gifting an early goal, tempo lacking passive in the press n tackle.

The front 4 making the press look like a colander as Hull find their way through.

Barry is just holding Gana back, capable of going both ways quickly, Gaz Baz cannot comply.

Add a mobile midfielder, in this case, Davies, we look miles better, not hard though.

Lets face it that lad Tom looks like a footballer, strong..can pass, dribble, got a gob on him. He affected the game more in 20mins that several more established players did in 65/70mins.

Needless the comparison with Ross was plain to see.

Davies has clear picture of what is next, rarely tonight received the ball under duress. Ross goal and a couple of passes apart was awful, especially without the ball, but as was Rom.

Valencia might be low on quality but he harassed his man so much he created errors.

A deeply shameful performance, led by poor selection n tactics. Followed up by players not to my eye competing to an acceptable level.

Koeman thinks that was okay in his post match...

Chris Williams
83 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:23:07
Two points dropped for sure. I don't think you can blame the older players which is now the common mantra. It may be structural or caution.The back four gets too deep but the whole team lacks something.

It is a collective problem and it looks like some dissension in the group. It was all kicking off against Leicester and again tonight between Mirallas and Gueye.

God we need some new blood, new energy, new pace and power and aggression.

Tony Hill
84 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:23:53
Why did we take off Mirallas and bring on Mori as Ciaran says? Incredible and, for me, defining as far as Koeman is concerned. Apart from the big, fat, yellow streak running down our middle, it's the pervasive stupidity that gets to me: giving away free kicks like sweeties in Snodgrass territory, ponderous and telegraphed movement. This has been the case for a long time in truth, one or two isolated periods apart.

My God, we're bad. Really, really bad. Those of us on here talking of bright futures are fooling ourselves, aren't we?

There will arrive voices on here soon telling us to look at the bigger picture and how it is a project and how we are miserable, negative bastards. I should know, that's what I've been saying recently and following this club is an exercise in self-contradiction.

But here's the final truth at least for me, this is Everton right here in front of us: this long, slow, ongoing fart of mediocrity.

Roman Sidey
85 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:24:13
Henrik, Barkley would probably shine at a club like City because he is working with talented players day-in-day-out. At Everton he is arguably one of the best players at training.

To judge Jagielka's fluffs, don't just count his fouls and miss-kicks. Count how many times he is out of position, causing problems for the rest of the team. It's getting more and more common. Anyone who thinks he isn't a poor footballer is sentimental to a fault.

Roman Sidey
86 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:24:14
Henrik, Barkley would probably shine at a club like City because he is working with talented players day-in-day-out. At Everton he is arguably one of the best players at training.

To judge Jagielka's fluffs, don't just count his fouls and miss-kicks. Count how many times he is out of position, causing problems for the rest of the team. It's getting more and more common. Anyone who thinks he isn't a poor footballer is sentimental to a fault.

Roman Sidey
87 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:24:14
Henrik, Barkley would probably shine at a club like City because he is working with talented players day-in-day-out. At Everton he is arguably one of the best players at training.

To judge Jagielka's fluffs, don't just count his fouls and miss-kicks. Count how many times he is out of position, causing problems for the rest of the team. It's getting more and more common. Anyone who thinks he isn't a poor footballer is sentimental to a fault.

Craig Fletcher
88 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:24:58
First off, must say I thought Hull were very good and much improved on their last couple of performances that I've seen. Mbokani holds the ball up well for them, and Snodgrass is lethal in dead-ball situations. Their wing-backs (Robertson and El Mohammady) got up and down the pitch well. Fortunately for us, defensively they are suspect, especially it would seem with crosses into their box.

Now to us . very average. Barry started poorly but to be fair he did get better as the game wore on. It seemed clear as day to anyone that Hull would use their wing-backs, yet I lost count of how many times they were given free reign to up and down the flanks. Lukaku's lay-offs were poor, and I thought he could have used a lesson from Mbokani on how to hold up the ball well and bring the other attackers into the game. Why we play Valencia on the wing when it's been shown with West Ham that it is not his best position I have no idea, Mirallas I thought did ok, and ultimately it was Baines and Coleman's deliveries which nabbed us a draw / almost won us the game if DLC had got his header right. Seems a bit harsh though to be critical of the young lad. Less said about Jags, the better . if we go three at the back v Southampton, I can only hope Holgate is back.

Geoff Evans
89 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:25:57
Why all the negativity. A point at Hull is great.
Second thoughts a point anywhere for Koeman and this bunch has got to be a bonus.
Saints next, another draw would be great.
Brian Williams
90 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:28:10
We get it Roman, we get it!
Rob Williamson
91 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:28:53
Neil (#52) "let's do Southampton"
Really? Can you really see any team set up like this - with Jags, Williams and Barry (combined age over 100 FFS) as the core of the team - "doing" anybody? Their lack of movement and pace has a negative impact on all the players around them. How Koeman can continue to select them when there are viable alternatives, is a dreadful condemnation of his managerial and coaching ability and fills me with NO confidence that things will change after the January window.
Jay Wood
92 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:29:05
Ciaran @ 75.

'Howlers' - 'Fluffs' - 'Blunders' - all in the plural attributed by you to Jags (in your condemning opinion)

Care to list the 'multiple' howlers Jags made, not even across the whole 90 minutes, because (evidently, again in your all-condemning opinion) they would be too numerous to mention, but just in the opening 10 minutes when you first levelled the charge Jags was 'making howlers' ..?

I will repeat a 3rd time: IMO Jags and Williams had solid games and were not culpable in Everton only drawing. The failings laid elsewhere and with other players tonight.

Chris Williams
93 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:30:47
Interesting to see the team against Southampton.

Mori, Holgate, Davies to start is my bet plus Ross might earn a start too again

Gana had his worst match for us and was kicking off against Mirallas.

Ray Jacques
94 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:31:35
Craig 88, cmon, Hull are not a good side. A decent team would rip them apart
Simon Smith
95 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:32:37
I think carragher (yes I know he's a red) summed it up well about the jagielka/Williams partnership by saying they are not squeezing the space when we don't have the ball, having a negative effect on the compactness of our team.
Paul Smith
96 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:33:34
Surely tonight should show that Barry has to move aside now and why have we given Baines a 3 year contract. The keeper again showed why he isn't good enough and I'm never confident with him on free kicks.

This just makes the January window even more important, I can't honestly say weve played well for the full 90 minutes of any game. Most of these players have had enough chances

Martin Anderson
97 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:34:15
Sorry to say that Jags & Barry can only be bit part players from now on – their legs have gone, great servants though they have been. Williams is playing well & still seems to have his legs, but can't have more than another season in him. Holgate is perfect to step into defence... young legs – he's quick & skillful.

We desperately need a Barry replacement. Maybe Schneiderlin is the man for this...?

Why didn't Koeman stick with a winning side? Very strange... Martinez used to do that.

Ciarán McGlone
98 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:35:13
No Jay, I don't care to list them (if that's even possible)..

If you choose to ignore them, that's up to you.

Jagielka had a poor game, and I've no idea why he was allowed to start.

You can keep saying he had a good game until you're blue in the face, it won't change my opinion of his game tonight.

John Pierce
99 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:35:52
Jags was tidy enough. But he was almost maxing out in everything he did.

Blowing put of his ass early on the game, struggling to maintain his control over Mbokani who is awful.

The most balanced we look is with a back three. Simply Williams is a better organiser, Holgate n Mori are mobile enough to pivot.

Time to move to a back three, Baines n Coleman struggle with defending now and perhaps the balance to get them forward has less risk.

But hey ' Koeman is Koeman he does what wants'

Trevor Peers
100 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:36:08
If Koeman insists upon changing a winning team, he will quickly go the same way as his predecessor.

Why ? Change a winning formula. Only he knows that, but I for one think he's a busted flush already. He like Martinez think they know better.

Ray Roche
101 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:39:21
Ciarán McGlone #98

Ciaran, we're all allowed our own opinions, just that some of them are crap, I mean, some people thought Valencia had a really good game. I didn't . Doesn't automatically make me right. (Even though I am)

Paul Conway
102 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:40:47
I don't know what irks me the most, the fact that we went toe to toe with the mighty tigers, or, the fact that some Evertonians don't believe that Ross Barkley is shite!

Apart from the header he scored tonight, while he was like, standing at a bus stop waiting for it. To all those pro Barkley supporters,I would like to propose a hypothetical question...

Supposing you needed to buy a car desperately to get to work, or, whatever and you saw one for sale, at a really knockdown price, that suited your budget... a real steal. You inquire to the reliability of the car and the vendor replies... Squire, this jam jar is as reliable as Ross Barkley! Would you part with your dosh?

Tony Hill
103 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:42:00
Never mind, at least someone in the BVI is doing well out of it.
Henrik Lyngsie
104 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:43:58
You are right Ray 101
Tony Abrahams
105 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:43:59
I don't really take much notice of the very lucky fella's in the studio, but listening to Carragher was interesting tonight though.

I've already said that I think it's a contradiction playing Barry, and after listening to what Carragher was saying, I think he's pointing out a second selection flaw, for a manager who wants his team to press high (Lukaku = 3?) and also stay compact, with his centre-back pairing tonight.

Chris Wells
106 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:44:29
Performance was poor and for me same old start! We showed a very poor Hull team far too much respect, still far to many schoolboy errors and lack of confidence with many sideways and backwards passes!

We are miles away from a top-four finish. I just can't wait for the January window, as I'm losing the will at the moment!
Ray Jacques
107 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:47:04
Jagielka struggled all game, just as he has all season. Barry came off after 65 mins because his legs had gone.

Both have been great servants to the club so I am not going to slag them; however, they have now both run their race and shouldn't be selected as part of the first eleven. Both are too slow and therefore give away cheap free kicks or penalties and do not cover sufficient ground across then pitch.

The modern game of the successful teams is based on pace and interchange of players, not static and stay-in-one-position personnel.

Danny Broderick
108 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:51:57
I can't help thinking that Williams looks better in a three than a two. He is good at getting blocks in and doing the basics, but he can be exposed in a back 4 with only one centre-half alongside him. His natural role is in the middle of a back 3. This involves defending a bit deeper.

The balance of the team doesn't look right to me. We don't have an ideal central defensive partnership, and the balance in midfield is not right, either centrally or out wide. Great teams have great partnerships running throughout. I can't think of any great partnerships in that team tonight. Oh for the days of Pienaar and Baines.

James Stewart
109 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:52:00
Poor starting 11 and poor game management.

Jagielka and Barry are finished at this level and never should be starting, let alone both together! Robles is a disaster waiting to happen.

2 points dropped. Again.

Jay Wood
110 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:53:01
Ciaran @ 98. Re: Jags (claimed) howlers.

"I don't care to list them (if that's even possible). If you choose to ignore them, that's up to you."

A couple of points here. As you were so quick out of the blocks to condemn Jags' multiple howlers, I thought it would be easy for you to offer some examples, not impossible.

That you choose not to is your right, but it doesn't help you validate your opinion, which is also your right.

And ... having given my alternative opinion to your own ... how can I 'ignore' the 'howlers' you attribute to Jags (that I personally did not see in his performance tonight) if you choose not to put up examples of the same for debate?

Henrik Lyngsie
111 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:54:53
Barry is such a contradiction. I actually think he has been our best player this season. But I also think we should drop him because he is slowing us down.

If we play 3 at the back, I would like to see Barkley next to Gana against the middle/bottom teams. Off course Barkley would have to work harder and smarter (he would have to anyway) but with three defenders maybe we could run the risk.

Brian Hennessy
112 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:55:05
I think it's safe to say our new manager has disappointed most of us in 2016, it was always a gamble appointing Pat Butcher in the first place...
Keith Gleave
113 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:55:59
Having watched tonight's performance, I really have run out of reasoning for the way we are playing.

Tonight, Hull were nothing above average yet we managed at times to make them look good. They set up with 5 in defence and 9 when it mattered, it was crying out for swift play down the flanks to stretch their defence, this never happened as we went tippy-tippy through the centre.

Baines, Coleman and Mirallas all played with pace and ran the flanks under Moyes, why is this not happening under Koeman who likes pace and counterattacking.

Valencia was shocking and should be returned immediately, Barkley was little better. I like Jags but his time has come, has as Barry's.

The pressing was poor, the passing was poor our thinking and play was far too slow and Gana had a bad game. Lukaku is lazy but really needs the right service and that isn't happening.

I started by saying I don't know what's wrong, some of these players were good under Moyes, some were good under Martinez and Koeman was good at Southampton but none is coming together now. I can only think Koeman is clueless when he his outside his comfort zone.

Danny Broderick
114 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:56:36
19 games in - won 7, drawn 6, lost 6. The trouble with us is that you never know what we are going to do from one week to the next. We are going to have to write this season off as one of transition, because the reality is that we are not that good and we need some new blood.
Colin Glassar
115 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:57:11
Jamie Carragher, love him or hate him, has us down to a tee. We have too many players who are in a downward spiral due to old legs, ie, Jags and Williams, play too deep so as not to get caught out, Barry can't keep up with the to and fro and Leighton always seems to be in two minds whether to push up or stay back.

This lack of legs means there's a complete disconnect between defence, midfield and attack. It's no coincidence that, once Davies came on, he allowed Ross more freedom to concentrate on getting forward.

I would love to see a midfield of Gana (who was poor tonight) with Davies and Hughes, with Coleman and Baines playing as wing backs. Balance, strength and mobility – something we are woefully lacking right now.

Ray Roche
116 Posted 30/12/2016 at 22:59:13
Henrik (#104).

Thank you, Henrik, you're a gent. I thought Davies did well, very impressed but he garnered a stupid yellow in pulling back Maguire(?) when there was already a defender covering him.

And after his outburst, admittedly justified, when he was pulled back he was lucky not to get a second one. The referee gave him a let off there.

David Connor
117 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:01:03
What a shit fucking squad we have... Struggle for a point at a piss-poor Hull team only shows how poor we are. Give Koeman 2 transfer windows.... If there's no big improvement, fuck him off. We cannot be a soft touch any longer for both players and manager.

We have to toughen up fucking big time. Too many players sucking the life out of the club. They need to be moved on even on free transfers. Just get rid for Christ's sake... Koeman included.

Get your fucking act together lad. We are getting pissed off

Ray Jacques
118 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:01:47
Keith, spot on.

Good night.

Happy New Year to all blues and thanks for the great web site that is ToffeeWeb.

I've drunk too much today, the blues have again given me... well, the blues, so I am off to bed.

NSNO. mmm...

James Doran
119 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:03:14
Roman @ 85-87 inclusive, Do you watch the squad train a lot?
Mark Wilson
120 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:03:35
In recent weeks, the focus has been on poor individual performances, particularly from our aging players who have given pretty decent if hardly earth shattering service to the club. But for me, today's awful result was very much laid at the managers door.

We were set up all wrong for a game against the league's poorest side who are odds on to go down. You just knew a slow start was coming. There was a ponderous look about the midfield. It all felt lacklustre.

Okay, we did improve but had we arrived here with the same formation as Leicester I honestly think it would have been a really different game for us.

Barry is really struggling. We will not miss Gueye quite as much as I thought but hoping his time at AFCON gives him a boost because he's not quite the influence he was at the start of the season.

Season's over already for top four; well, it wasn't ever on was it. Still time to recover and have an exciting run at sixth. Sigh.

Four weeks of what is usually a crazy window to get quality in at even something approach reasonable cost. We so need this to be the best transfer window ever bar none.

John Keating
121 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:09:10
Tony (#105),
Carragher was spot on with his comments about our defence and as he said he has mentioned this before. If he can spot our deficiencies so easily so can other managers and play on them.

We cannot use a pressing game with the players we have at present so, rather than continue farting about changing things weekly, Koeman needs to persist with the set up that has brought us most success – 3 at the back, Holgate, Funes Mori and Williams central.

In my opinion, we have to stop this 2 defensive midfielders every game and get extra legs in midfield like Davies.

Jay Harris
122 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:10:54
As soon as I saw the team and formation, I thought this is the worst we can put out as that same team is to my mind the one with the worst record.

Jags, Barry, Mirallas, Ross Barkley... why oh why do we revert from a winning team and formation against the bottom of the table side that should have been a walkover?

I have pleaded patience with Koeman but I am very disappointed with his team and tactics tonight.

Keith Monaghan
123 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:12:10
We clearly weren't good tonight, but did deserve to win – Jamie R couldn't have watched the game to be saying Hull deserved to win.

I agree with those who think Jags was poor – his distribution has always been very poor and now he's a defensive liability. Our downfall was giving away stupid free kicks in dangerous positions given they have Snodgrass.

Ross took his goal okay but, that apart, he was his normal ineffective self –– he wouldn't look good at Man Citeh... he has no football brain.

In spite of our other short-comings, our biggest need is for a decent creative midfield player – our build-up is far too slow which is a big factor in Rom not getting hold of the ball enough.

Davies should have got a penalty – clear shirt-tug on him. Has anyone noticed how Baines gets caught out of position so often? I think the lack of defensive aerial ability in our full-backs is an issue although our 2 aging central defenders struggle in that department too.

Three windows needed to get us really competing at the top.

Tony Dove
124 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:13:58
I know newspaper headlines are often misleading but it is nevertheless clear that most of the top clubs are anxious to sign Barkley. I fully understand why they would want him but regrettably the majority of Evertonians seem to know better.
Tony Hill
125 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:14:20
How do we get some intelligence and courage into this club and side? I really have no idea.

Carragher and other technical analysts can draw their charts but the massive deficit at Everton for 30 years has been one of self-belief and courage. We are pussies, great at pretence and charity distraction, but a perennial soft touch. Find me leaders; – hard, ruthless, nasty ones both off the pitch and on it. I thought Ronald and Farhad might fit the bill but evidence so far says not, not at all.

Nasty winners are what we need, but nasty is what we never get (except perhaps in boardroom manoeuvrings).

Trevor Peers
126 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:15:36
Zero faith in the manager after that shambles of a performance. Of course he won't be sacked, but we are in for three years of mediocrity for sure.

This guy makes Moyes look like a tactical genius, at least Moyes tried to learn from his mistakes. Koeman probably never will, sometimes he gets lucky with enforced changes, eg, at Leicester, but he never see's the big picture and I don't think he ever will.

Anthony Dwyer
127 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:18:20
I haven't read anything on here yet, but I'm having my say anyways.

I am not happy with the way we play, we are awful to watch, we have poor tactics and we look like we should do better.

That said, we are 7th in the league, and the squad we have can't merit a place above that position. Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Spurs have squad who are much much better than what we have, so to be behind them in the league is no disgrace.

To add to the above Ronny hasn't had a chance to build his own team, he chops and changes and can't get the best out of many players.

Williams wasn't the answer to our defensive problems, Jags is finished, Barry should be a bit part sub at best, and we haven't got anything that can resemble a consistent wide man.

The squad needs majorly revamping asap, most players need moving on.

Baines, Coleman, Gana, McCarthy, Lukaku, Bolasie and the youngsters are the only players worth keeping, players like Besic, Robles and Barkley could argue there points, other than that the rest should be moved on.

Even Williams should be moved on imo, sooner rather than later so as to recoup as much money as possible on him.

I honestly don't enjoy watching us, not even when we win, I honestly can't think of one game we've played well all season. Ronny has to start to work things out in the next two windows as I'm sick of watching this shit.

Tony Abrahams
128 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:19:19
Ray, why did the ref give Davies a let-off? The kid was getting his shirt pulled and he was telling the linesman that he'd seen it and wanted to know why he let it go. He never really spoke to Mr Moss, and just shook his head, as if to say that the linesman had got it wrong.

Fucking passive Everton, get an 18-year-old scouse kid who works hard, shows for the ball, tries to win it back when we haven't got it, and looks like he really wants to win, but we must protect him?

Protect him from what exactly? Because he looks like he's got more natural desire than the lot of them, and only by playing for the first team will he learn how to become less raw.

Chris Williams
129 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:19:58

Which top clubs want to sign Ross?

Please list them and show us the evidence.

Eugene Ruane
130 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:20:33
Not in the least interested in formations or who comes in for who etc, as our problems simply won't (can't) be solved by 'play him and him instead of them two' or 'play three at...' etc waffle.

There are deep, ingrained and obvious problems with the present (senior) squad that, if ignored, will simply mean more (and more and more and..) of the same.

We're physically not up to it.

We're too quiet (ie, fucking mute)

We have no brains (or guile or savvy or whatever euphemism you prefer).

In short, right now, we are just (about) treading water.

And until there is an obvious and real change to the thinking of the coaching staff, I'll simply expect... more of the same.

John Pierce
131 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:22:13
If we persist with Lukaku, bar a shot or two, who was again anonymous tonight, then Barry and Jags have to be put out to pasture.

Barry to be kept as a squad player and given a coaching contract. Let's see if the intelligence on the field translates to training players?

Jags free transfer to Sheffield United.

We simply play higher up the field without them. In turn the distance to Rom 'the island' Lukaku is shorter. Gana was poor this evening but Barry cannot keep up with him.

We are frankly a mess at the moment, rudderless as General Koeman waits for his Calvary to replenish the veterans of too many campaigns.

What next, should the Calvary not arrive in January? Will he force the old timers to soldier on or force the youth to the front and sacrifice them too?

My anger towards all things Everton is less and less nowadays, the acceptance of mediocrity is stifling.

Declan Campbell
132 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:24:37
Colin Glassar, Hughes... who is he? Oh yeah, some bloke who plays for Derby County.

If you're going to play Fantasy Football, I'd like to see midfield of Busquets, Modric and Iniesta.

Let's stick to talking about players who actually play for Everton.

Colin Glassar
133 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:24:43
For the first time, I saw Koeman visibly angry on the touchline and that gives me hope. Hope that he now knows some of these players, as great as they've been, cannot play his system.

As Garry Neville said before the game, this is a team in transition and Koeman will eventually get the players he needs to play the high pressing game he wants.

Jags, Williams and Barry can't play this high intensity game, even Bainesy is struggling, so they need replacing. Valencia isn't good enough and we need a goalie ASAP. Plus we need to get rid of a bunch of players who will never figure – we all know who they are – and replace them with younger, better players.

This will take a few transfer windows to happen but I, for some reason, trust Koeman to get the job done.

Tony Hill
134 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:26:21
Calvary is right, John.
Tony Abrahams
135 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:30:31
John (#121), maybe the two centre backs never pushed up because of the personnel in our team? I've heard Koeman go on about us being compact from the back many times but only with McCarthy playing alongside Gueye have we really pressed from the front?
Paul Smith
136 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:33:23
So many simple things could be sorted within our starting 11 but we never seem to fix them.

How can Barry be starting games in the top half of the Premier League now? I think 90% of mistakes came from him tonight and silly fouls early on. He still has the brain an often the grace on the ball but these small details are costing us points.

I have seen a few people comment on Carragher tonight saying he is spot on and I agree but this is nothing new. The media don't class fans as experts but we have said this for a long time.

The spine of the team is stiff and laboured, its cost us for a long spell. Its not good enough. The staff around Koeman need to fix it before we drop more points we should be claiming in 2nd gear. The likes of Mirallas and Lukaku hit form and the little tweaks we forget to heel stop us getting that extra 1% out of them.

Got to mention Gana too. He's had great praise this season and overall done well but he's awful at playing a quick ball even when he's got space. The amount of times players are coming backwards to receive his passes is unreal lately.

Dave Williams
137 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:35:07
I am currently reading Jim Keoghan's excellent book about Everton in the nineties and this current side and its problems is a dead ringer for the mess inherited and then made so much worse by Mike Walker.

Hopefully Ron will turn it around with a good transfer window and start to build a proper team with a structure and method but I am not sure he has the ability to do this. Far too many old players and yet again Ross was far better once Davies was on the pitch.

Two old centre-backs with a 36-year-old defensive midfielder to protect them is not the way forward and hopefully this will be addressed in the window. I like Colin's suggestion of Will Hughes to play alongside Tom and Gana but really there are so many areas which need work.

Ron has a lot to do – we will see in a few weeks time whether he is up to it.

Don Alexander
138 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:39:25
It's been blatantly obvious for ages that the midfield, especially the allegedly offensive players, and attack, are seriously inadequate. Whether or not any of those individual players would prosper with better signings all around them is a moot point.

Those with blind loyalty seem to believe it'd be what Ross needs, and some say the same of Rom. Me, I've no idea except to say that in common with just about everyone not in defence or defensive midfield, the whole team reeks of a lack of desire, fitness and courage. To me that's shameful.

That's what needs to be addressed in January. Desire, fitness and courage can be aligned with skill. Other teams show it to be so. In our team, they always seem mutually exclusive though. It's the job of the owners, their manager and their Director of Football to sort it out starting NOW.

Anto Byrne
139 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:39:41
It's a tired Everton with Moyes and Martinez players who should be moved on and let Koeman rebuild. It has the dourness of the Moyes era and the slow one-paced Martinez style.

I can see Koeman wants to change it up and it will take time as players come and go. 7th in the league playing crap football so let's find some form.
Tony Abrahams
140 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:41:10
John (#131), I reckon Moyes will give us about £6-8 Million for Jagielka!
Brian Denton
141 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:42:25
Poor result, but Mirallas played well, I thought. Barkley showed a few good touches along with his usual unforced errors. If only we could get a player with an eye for a quick pass, Lukaku would get 30 goals a season. Imagine if we had another Peter Beardsley...

But we are where we are – a midtable team who will finish midtable. No really good players will come to Everton, so we have to take a few punts and grow our own. We can't do anything else.

I was logged in to the Live Forum and it was quite depressing. There's still people going on about relegation, ffs! Get a grip lads.

Mick Davies
142 Posted 30/12/2016 at 23:46:37
Henryk, we lose Gana for a month after the next game... can only hope McCarthy's recovered in time, as Barry is just holding us back.
Brian Hennessy
143 Posted 30/12/2016 at 00:00:46
Brian @141 - You hit the nail on the head, a Beardsley is exactly what this team needs, hard to find though.
Trevor Peers
144 Posted 31/12/2016 at 00:01:00
Eugene (#130)

You're right of course, it's the job of the coaching staff to sort out the tactics and team selection, not the posters on TW.

If the new owner really is ambitious he will allow Koeman to gather the minimum 40 points plus, required for safety, then sack him and try someone else.

At £6 millon a season, the owner is entitled to expect more, even at this stage of the season, than the shite that's being served up, week after week. I really can't see Koeman improving matters, no matter how many windows he has.

John Pierce
145 Posted 31/12/2016 at 00:05:45
Rooney is Beardsley.

An athletic and mobile midfield would keep Wayne high up the field playing those balls in front of Rom all day long.

A risk? Yes, of course but for Everton to progress we can't buy our way out. I personally would sell Barkley for Wayne in an instant.

If we want to be seen as ambitious then we have act it too. Big big January...

Colin Metcalfe
146 Posted 31/12/2016 at 00:14:30
Very surprised that Robles is getting a bit of stick here, why?

The first goal was a combination of Jags and Barry going missing at the corner, and as for the second, it was an excellent free kick by Snodgrass, I don't think many keepers could've got to that one.

John Pierce
147 Posted 31/12/2016 at 00:19:51
Eugene & Trevor. You are in tandem both to my mind of thinking.

As soon as he stated aim of European football cannot be achieved the manager should be removed.

Short-term re-evaluation is what Everton need. Any 'investor worth his salt should be clear about it up front and apply that pressure to his manager.

I have no problem with it as we've stomached 20-odd years of the other way however financially handicapped we were. The irony being we actually finished higher with the "squeezing blood from a stone" mentality.

Koeman is treading water, and HIS reinforcements better deliver or he, his bro, weird xmas tree, and dodgy twitter account can push off to China with Oscar n that.

Charlie Lloyd
148 Posted 31/12/2016 at 00:33:26
I am made up Ross got the equaliser tonight and I've run into some adverse comments on TW about my musings about him. However, too often tonight his ball forward wasn't quite there and his defending caused the team further pressure (the foul that led to the Snodgrass free kick goal).

I hope he gets confidence from the goal and kicks but my head still says I hope we sign a player in Jan who can do the defensive work well while being a magician further forward.

Brian Wilkinson
149 Posted 31/12/2016 at 00:38:00
The window opens New Years Day, the AGM is days away, expect at least a couple of signings and news of the new ground before the AGM.

It's the best I can come up with to help lift the gloom from us Evertonians.

John Pierce
150 Posted 31/12/2016 at 00:46:48
Brian! A couple of young prospects and a photo op with Joe Anderson at Stonecross?

Thought you were trying to lift the mood?

David Booth
151 Posted 31/12/2016 at 01:03:03
James (9), yes I did thank you.

But rather wish I'd stayed at home now – especially as I took a Kopite from work with me!

Peter Laing
152 Posted 31/12/2016 at 01:10:13
My synopsis is short and shrift – if the Manager chooses to pick Barry and Jagielka ahead of Holgate and Davies then he gets all he deserves.

2-2 against a team bottom of the league and out of all ideas since the beginning of the season. £6 million a year? You're having a laugh –😂

Charlie Lloyd
153 Posted 31/12/2016 at 01:12:04
Let's be fair.

We conceded from a corner (yes poor) and a pretty good free kick (Robles bad positioning – maybe) but they created little cos we didn't allow it. We hit the posts a couple of times and created a few good opportunities to win. All-in-all, we should have 3 points.

I'm not going to claim we're playing entertaining free flowing football but we've tightened up and are tougher to play against.

I thought back to last April and May and the quite disgraceful performances at Sunderland and Leicester and realise progress is being made. Not at the pace we want but we are not the gutless crap we experienced last season.

David Booth
154 Posted 31/12/2016 at 01:32:48
I can see no difference whatsoever – in terms of tactics, confidence, resilience, teamwork or ability – to either the Moyes or the Martinez era.

What has Koeman done so far, apart from show indecision, a defensive mindset, allegiance to favourites, the continuation of our inferiority complex, and a complete inability to get the players doing what he says he wants them to do? Can anyone tell me one thing that distinguishes him, and this team, from his two much-criticised predecessors?

Twenty one competitive games and I'm still waiting for the first sign. There is not one shred of a plan – even one in embryo form – to reassure us that change is happening.

We reluctantly accept this won't happen overnight (although that would be desirable), but we do expect to see a green shoot of recovery here and there. Instead, all we get is tumbleweed: a team collectively devoid of ideas, inspiration and confidence, without a sign of any clear vision for the future that they appear to be subscribing to.

The only way we have earned every point this season has been courtesy of a flash of inspiration from one particular player at one particular time, and to a lesser extent, the occasional good fortune that gifted us our first equaliser tonight. In not one single game have we bossed it from beginning to end. It's been complete fits and starts. We have no identity and therefore, no belief, no ethos and no conviction.

It's like watching England play: great on paper, but as soon as they kick-off, you immediately find yourself thinking: "here we go again." They are clueless. And who's responsible for that: our mannequin of a manager. Up the creek without a paddle and completely rudderless. Is this what we are paying Koeman £6m for?

He had better have a transfer window like nothing else we've ever experienced at Everton, because he has singularly failed to generate even a one per cent performance improvement from the existing players so far.

I am about as hopeful of that as I am us playing Southampton off the park and beating them 4-0 on Monday. We are just hopeless right now and have been in every game he has been in charge.

James Watts
155 Posted 31/12/2016 at 01:38:45
Unfortunately, whilst Koeman is in charge, nothing will change. His team selections, tactics, formations & substitutions baffle me, week-in & week-out. And throw in our football style and it's hard to take. The guy is on £6 million a year.... £6 fucking million and we're worse than most things Martinez served up. We may make some good signings (although I'm not holding my breath) but all he'll do is plug them into a system that simply doesn't work.

We are stuck with this guy for the next 18 months, at least, as can not see him being kicked out until then as 'we have to give him time' – which is bollocks. If things he was doing made sense, I'd be right behind him. But nothing he is doing is making sense.

My new years wish? A team from China come along and offer this clown £20 mill a year. I can dream....

Gavin Johnson
156 Posted 31/12/2016 at 02:29:55
After Holgate's and Davies's performances the other day it was hard to see how they would not retain their places, especially after Koeman waxed lyrical about them after the Leicester win.

But no: we got Jags and Barry. My feeling is that Koeman is playing around with the team unnecessarily. The back 5 worked against Leicester and we haven't lost a game when Holgate has played.

My hope is that this is the tinkering of a new manager who is using different formations and players in order to access who is 'in', and who is 'out'. You'd hope tonight's showing would be conclusive proof to Koeman that Gareth Barry is finished and slows down attacking play. His one year contract extension seems as bewildering as Darren Gibson's new contract last summer.

I'm not a fan of Carragher but his assessment of Williams and Jags was spot on. Their poor positional play is due in large part because of their age and only one of them should be played at any given time, and that should be Ashley Williams.

It's going to be an interesting window. I still wonder if Koeman will cash in on James McCarthy if the rumours are true that we want the Danish lad, Thomas Delaney as well as Morgan Schneiderlin.

One positive from tonight's game was the performance of Ross Barkley. He played well, and looked our only attacking threat at times. He deserved his goal.

Don Alexander
157 Posted 31/12/2016 at 02:44:59
To James and David, immediately above as I write, I expect Moshiri, Walsh & Koeman, in whatever order, to put some major shape into the squad in January and then again in the summer.

As fans I think we're generally delusional in hoping that many of the current squad would ever make it into a team realistically qualifying for Europe on a regular basis.

Well before the end of January I expect, given their promises, that all of us can be confident of better play and results on behalf of those in charge.

James Watts
158 Posted 31/12/2016 at 04:06:04
I really hope you're righ,t Don, and would be happy to be proved wrong. But I'm very sceptical that will be the case. We'll all know by the end of January I guess, but I'm not holding my breath after Koeman's presser the other day re "difficult in January for transfers" comments. Excuse framework has already been laid down.
Mark Andersson
159 Posted 31/12/2016 at 04:29:14
My new year wish is to see Kenwright out of the club. Mr Money – you're being watched carefully now.

I predict another lousy transfer window with old bullshit excuses churned out and the stadium carrot pulled out of the cupboard to appease the deluded ones who are so desperate to have one over the RedShite.

I have to go... Santa is coming around to deliver some good news.

Matt Rafferty
160 Posted 31/12/2016 at 04:43:43
The only thing that would make my day now is to hear that Ballotelli has signed for Everton. Abysmal... abysmal stuff. 51 years following this team and probably one of the most depressing seasons ever. Time to clear out the most average of average players and don't spare the rod.

These players were supposedly playing for their places tonight. Hate to see them on a soft day... or maybe I did? No passion, leadership, craft or application. Absolute dross.

Nothing but the best... not anymore. Just nothing.

Rick Tarleton
161 Posted 31/12/2016 at 05:30:44
In the modern jargon, Koeman doesn't know his best eleven. The eleven he wants to start most games with. He chops, changes, drops players on a whim, and reinstates them on another whim. Gueye was poor last night, will Koeman put him on the bench as he does with Funes Mori, Mirallas, Barkley et alia?

I sincerely hope he puts his best eleven out for the cup game, because that's our only hope of anything this season.

It takes a poor team to make Hull look a Premier League outfit, but Everton managed it with their set-piece defending.

Paul Birmingham
162 Posted 31/12/2016 at 06:46:38
Changing a winning team again and on the expectation of playing the bottom team who are as wretched as we are surely should have warranted better urgency.

Why do we always start with an alehouse punt forward? Garbage In, Garbage Out... and a fine servant Jags has been, he's now a liability and his booking was a good indication that his fitness and game management are no longer up to it and Barry's motor is now too slow for a game in the EPL. Keep Davis in, coach the defence and midfield to playing to the forwards strengths.

It's become as dire and predictable as any previous bad patch the last 40 years and it's reached the point of an SOS for this team and the club. So predictable, conceding poor goals early doors, bad game management, and thus we show how far we have to go to try and get closer to the top 6.

Ending the year on as low as we have been for years, and The 3rd round next week, with their best players back, bar a miracle will see the cracks in this team exposed, but what if we do business early doors rather than 10 minutes before the xterm window shutdown?

As much as I hate to say, the RS are very average but we are not even close in terms of fitness, game management, enthusiasm and passion.

Life in 2017 for Evertonians, let's hope it improves. All The Very Best to Evertonians everywhere! Slainte!

Nev Renshaw
163 Posted 31/12/2016 at 06:57:00
We're an absolute shambles of a team. Hull City FFS. Bottom of the league and we still couldn't beat them. What's the odds we'll be fighting relegation in the New Year? Only for our good start to the season, we'd already be in the drop zone.

John G Davies
164 Posted 31/12/2016 at 08:12:04
Jags and Williams should never be part of the same back four. Too slow to react and obviously each is concerned about the others positioning.

We need a quick left sided centre half to play alongside Williams. As mentioned above we can't set up high up the pitch because forwards will run away from the two of them.

Knock-on effect is a gap between the lines that is simple for opposition to get into.

Duncan McDine
165 Posted 31/12/2016 at 08:20:50
Rick 161, I also can't understand the apparent indecision from our manager. While the win at Leicester was far from a vintage performance, I thought the 3 centre-backs allowed Baines and Coleman a little more freedom to do what they're good at. Funes Mori, Holgate and Davies all looked good.

So when I looked at the line-up against Hull last night I was honestly disgusted. None of the players he dropped to the bench was due to fatigue, so Koeman can take full blame for the defensive frailties. It was within the first minute or so that Jags completely fecked up a backpass, only for Williams to come to the rescue.

Williams is not without fault himself, but I feel sorry for him when having to partner Jags right now. I agree with others that Ross and Mirallas both played well with the right kind of mentality, also Baines seems to be hitting form – but their second goal came from his silly foul.

So Ronald, we just kept our first clean sheet in 'God-knows-how-many', and you completely change the defensive personnel and formation... WTF???

Chris Williams
166 Posted 31/12/2016 at 09:10:38
In the cold grey light of morning, with a bit of a headache, I'm trying to take a more objective view.

We are now halfway through the league season and realistically the best we can hope for this season is the position we currently occupy. Would I have been happy with that pre season? Yes probably.

The acid test for me now is our performance in the second half of the season. This means several things.

Assuming a decent window, I would like to see more points in the second half of the season, say a season total of 65. An average of about 2 points a game. This performance would get top 4 in most full seasons.

I want to see a marked improvement in our football on the pitch, with a settled defensive unit with speed and power in the key central positions, centre backs and holding midfield, allowing the whole unit to move higher up the field.

I want to see pace and power and energy in the offensive positions, wingers and central midfield, with some guile too (Sigurdsson?) with a decent striker to play off or instead of Rom.more goals needed across the team

What this would mean is a new central midfielder, possibly Schneiderlin, at least one wide attacker, maybe two, with some goals in them and a striker.

We could probably shore up the defence by bringing in Holgate and Funes Mori, if ever Ron stops twatting around, and Davies could certainly contribute while Gana is away, as could McCarthy if he stays.

So subjectively that means Schneiderlin or similar, Sigurdsson or similar, a minimum of one wide goalscoring attacker (Depay, Lookman) and a good goal scoring striker.

That is a minimum of 4 players, maybe five. A new centre half would be nice, but we can maybe cover that as long the midfield doesn't leave them exposed, as they are currently.

So that plus more game time for Holgate & Davies means a new spine to the team, plus a final chance for Ross unless he is sacrificed to help what is a massive outlay unless Walsh works his magic.

Interesting January then, but we must see some real signs of progress in the second half.

Oh and a decent cup run too, please!

Allan Board
167 Posted 31/12/2016 at 09:30:23
A predictable result really considering this group of players inability to learn from past mistakes. However, a point gained away is okay – it could have been a defeat!

Koeman bashing is on again it seems, for varying reasons. I understand the frustration of some fans, but is it really Koeman's fault yet?

Let's be honest, these players are not that great – have they/will they ever be?

The reasons for the continual rotating of the team could be down to Koeman wanting to see what the abilities of the squad are in general before deciding who to let go. It seems he has made his mind up on a few already. This is his decision as a coach.

However, as I have said before, my worry is that Kenwright and Co have no intention of spending big and Koeman has been told to make do and mend as is the Kenwright way. I hope I'm wrong but have an uneasy feeling about all of this.

This would explain why aged players are given new contracts and are still being played as Koeman now knows he has to keep them sweet for now or risk a complete collapse of the squad in terms of morale and effort. This would result in relegation, and he knows it.

Instead of calling for Koeman's head, I suggest the vitriol be turned against the owners and some bloody straight answers sought from them.

I maintain – give this fella the required funds, get Kenwright and his cronies out pronto, and EFC will begin to change, become more professional and successful on the pitch.

Happy New Year!

Kim Vivian
168 Posted 31/12/2016 at 10:07:30
Six points between triumph and failure. Six points is a massive figure in the current league. Easily dropped... not so easily won, it would seem.

Consider the following (as it stands this morning with us having played one more game):

We are 6 points adrift of Man Utd and just 6 points ahead of Stoke in 13th place before today's games. With Burnley to play Sunderland you could probably read that as Stoke (or Burnley) in 14th place. 6 points below that and you're in the drop zone.

Liverpool in second are hunting down Chelsea, trailing by the same 6 points. It saddens me that after today Liverpool may be further ahead of us on points than we are on bottom placed Swansea. Everton must capitalise on the chance to accrue so called 'easier' points because if we are not damn careful we will start a precarious slide towards a fight we do not want.

If we can hold on to 7th now, it would be miraculous. Looking at the points we have already squandered against teams below us in the league does not fill me with confidence that we can cling on to a top-half finish unless we can revive the form of the first few games.

The point of this post? It seems the urgency of our position is not being fully appreciated by both management and team. After dropping 2 points to Hull I do not want to hear the post match commentary about chances, best game this year, blah, blah. How about being a bit pissed off and emotional that we are barely treading water.

I agree that we could of, and should've, won that game last night and we did have some good spells, and there is some comfort in that, but we need to grow some teeth... and movement off the ball might help a bit as well.

It really is time to wake up and smell the coffee as they say before another 6 points slip through our fingers.

Ray Roche
169 Posted 31/12/2016 at 10:13:59
Tony Abrahams (#128),

With the new directive issued at the start of the season, ANY protestations with the Officials warrants a yellow card, hence Jags being booked for arguing with the ref after he was clattered into the advertising hoardings recently. And Jags was Captain. Davies was fouled and felt it necessary to argue his point, fair enough, but the WAY he made his point with such invective would get him a yellow off many refs, a point that was made in the commentary that I was listening to as I watched the game.

Unfortunately, and unsurprisingly, there is no consistency in referees so some will, some won't, a bit like the wrestling at corners that only Mike Dean has tried to put a stop to by adhering to the other directive to stop the shirt pulling etc at corners.

I still think that, if Moss had not carded him for the ridiculous foul on Mcguire he'd have carded him for the outburst.

Tony Abrahams
170 Posted 31/12/2016 at 10:28:22
Fair enough, Ray, but the linesman never waved his flag to signal to the ref that the kid had just said, "You fuckin' saw that, didn't you?"

Ray, seems to me that you know your footy, and it's obvious you love Everton, so surely this young kid, who plays like he knows how lucky he his to be wearing the Royal Blue Jersey, should be one of the first teams on the team-sheet at the minute.

The old adage has never seemed more apt when I think about Tom Davies at the minute.

Ray Roche
171 Posted 31/12/2016 at 10:56:07
Tony, I've said since I first saw Davies that he may well be the real deal. I was totally naffed off when he wasn't in the starting line-up and have argued for his, and Holgate's , inclusion for long enough. I love to see youth players given their chance and take a sort of pride in it when they do well, and Davies seems to have it all. At 18...

Notice how much Barkley improved with a mobile mid fielder to link up with when he came on? I hope Koeman saw it.

Linesmen are just robotic muppets who don't even have the nous to flag a clear throw in from ten yards. They wait for the ref, 40 yards away, to tell them which way to flag, their only value is to give off sides and that appears to be the only input that a referee will trust. In his defence, though, last night that foul should have been given by the ref, the shirt tug was on the linesman's blind side.

Martin Nicholls
172 Posted 31/12/2016 at 10:58:22
Amongst all our other failings is an inability to make anything from direct free kicks. Snodgrass twice beat the wall easily last night and others do so regularly against us. Baines and Barkley regularly used to be able to do this for us but no more.

We were led to believe that OFM wouldn't have us practising dead ball situations which could explain this, however he is now well gone and the same failings persist... why?

Tony Abrahams
173 Posted 31/12/2016 at 11:18:06
That last sentence will do for me, Ray, I knew you know your footy!

I honestly thought Davies, got us back playing last night, especially with his willingness to run, but the thing that summed him up best for me was when Hull got a free kick in the middle of the park, near the end. The camera was right on him when he gave a little signal with his two fingers, said there's two here with a little glare, to one of his team-mates, and then Ross Barkley, came walking into the picture.

An 18-year-old kid was letting Barkley know, that he won't get away with things so easy, whilst he his on the pitch, and could actually be the leader we have been looking for? Stupid statement to make about someone so young? Of course it is, but I love it when footballers have a natural confidence about themselves, and feel that all the best teams have these types. They win you games when the chips are down, by making sure everyone does their job, and no-one gets any time to feel sorry for themselves.

Scott Robinson
174 Posted 31/12/2016 at 11:22:23
I thought we played okay last night, and with a bit of luck and more accuracy in front of goal, could've secured all three points. That's the difference in football.

What irks me is, as Duncan (#165) put it, the constant change in formation. No wonder the players never put in a complete performance – they are always adjusting to a new system. If Koeman had Southampton in mind on Monday, then so be it, but by constantly changing shape and formation, IMO it is not helping things.

John G Davies
175 Posted 31/12/2016 at 11:44:16

Tom had more influence on the game in 20minutes than any of the other midfielders.

Thing I love about him is his choice of pass. He always looks for the forward pass first, if that's not on he looks square, if that's not on he will go backwards to keep possession.

We all know he won't play 19 league games remaining.I would look to start him in the next half dozen or so and see how he goes. Either way, we have definitely got a player here. The fact that he has a blue heart is a bonus.

Barry Pearce
176 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:24:07
Ronald, just sign a decent goalkeeper.
Jon Cox
177 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:27:30
I wouldn't mind Snodgrass in front of Baines. In a goalscoring sense, he'd be like Pienaar on whiz. May even contribute to a new lease of life for Bainesy.

With a mean free-kick on him and puts his heart and soul (like last night) into his football, we could do a lot worse.

He just seems to have that "up an' at 'em" attitude that we sorely lack at the moment.

Tony Abrahams
178 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:27:43
The fact that he's got a heart, should get him in to our team at the minute John G, the fact that it's a blue heart is a massive, massive bonus to me!

The way he plays also gives me hope, because it's obvious the kid has been getting coached the right way after coming through our Academy and hopefully we will see a few more follow in the near future?

John G Davies
179 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:41:46
True Tony, very true, a clear lack of heart from some of them last night. Tom had got heart and ability.

Along with a good few more, there is a centre-half I have heard good things about coming through but I can't remember his name. Unsie said the only thing wrong with him is he's got red hair.

Barry Pearce
180 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:46:13
I agree with John G, and tony.

Hopefully Liam Walsh will force himself into the first team squad in the new year, wishful thinking I know, but he's got all the attributes that Davies has. I would love to see him get a chance. That's if he isn't carrying a season ending injury.

There's been no news of his present injury. Preventing him playing for the Under-23s... Where he's been immense.

Phil Sammon
181 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:48:26
I've been saying we should sign Snodgrass since he was at my home-town club, Leeds. Always productive and great with a dead ball.

It's interesting how hard the likes of Bolasie and Deulofeu have to work to get a cross away. Both harrying for the byline.

Snodgrass crosses easily and accurately without having to beat a man. Deulofeu actually went through a purple patch of doing the same, come to think of it. Sometimes less is definitely more.

Ernie Baywood
182 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:53:00
Heart should get Davies into the team right now simply because we lack the basic prerequisites for a football team. But it's not just heart that's missing and it's not heart that will get us significantly above 7th or 8th in the league.

Tactically, it's just pathetic. Knocking balls up to a bloke who can't or won't control them. At what point will Ronald acknowledge it isn't working and isn't going to work? There are many things he could do to change it and he's choosing to do nothing.

Honestly, I'm more convinced about Koeman's lack of nouse than I ever was about Niasse's lack of ability – and I was pretty certain about Niasse.

Jon Cox
183 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:54:00
Phil, it was at Leeds that I first saw him and thought what a "gifted" player he was.
Ciarán McGlone
184 Posted 31/12/2016 at 12:56:16
Two games in a row now, Davies has come on for Barry and we have looked a far more cohesive offensive unit. One player can often change the teams entire shape.. .removing Barry and replacing him with a mobile midfielder does that.

The evidence is clear.

Frank Sheppard
185 Posted 31/12/2016 at 13:23:55
Lots of views and comments here. Seems to me a simpler case of "an above mid table Premier League team" secures a result that keeps them/confirms them as "an above mid-table Premier League team".

I am afraid that that's the reality, and many clubs and fans would swap what they have for this.

Soren Moyer
186 Posted 31/12/2016 at 14:01:22
Jagielka, Williams and Barry (in that order) were at fault for Hull's first goal. They were just ball watching ffs.
Ray Roche
187 Posted 31/12/2016 at 14:01:46
Tony, John G, it's pretty clear we're all in the Davies fan club, the only thing that bothers me is if he is given TOO much of a build-up, he may try too hard to live up to expectations, something which I think has hampered Barkley. We put too much hope on shoulders too young to carry the weight of our dreams.

As a team ,we don't play to our strengths. Ernie, above, points out that Lukaku "can't or won't" control long balls played to him with his back to goal. So why do we do it? Play to HIS strengths, not the opposition's. Give him the ball on the deck where he can run at defenders like he did at Leicester. Morgan emptied his bowels when he saw Lukaku coming at him.

Barkley needs players moving ahead of him so that he can act on instinct, without having time to think. Leicester for instance... We play Gormley's Crosby Beach Boys instead.

Baines likes to get forward, but looks afraid to venture too far without knowing that he's covered. So why don't we cover him? It's improved slightly of late but...

We play in-swinging corners to a 6ft-6in goalkeeper. Yeah, good plan. Where's the variation. Same with free kicks. Baines, Mirallas, Lukaku, Barkley etc. all line up and smash the ball into the wall.

Try something different. Like the link below... the last one is a belter.Just turn the backing music down...

Andy Crooks
188 Posted 31/12/2016 at 14:23:06
Hull are not the worst team in the league and we should have beaten them.

I suspect that the Southampton game is THE game for Koeman. I expect to see what the coach believes is our strongest eleven. I expect pace, imagination and grit.

I believe we will win well and our season will start.

Dean Adams
189 Posted 31/12/2016 at 14:32:05
Andy Crooks

Hope so!!

Shane Corcoran
190 Posted 31/12/2016 at 14:44:12
Andy, I think they are the worst team in the league and, once again, we got an incredibly fortunate goal to put us level at a very good time to equalise.

I think we have been extremely fortunate to gather many of the points we've won this season. A route one goal against Leicester gave us something to hold onto and the performance against Arsenal was good but generally speaking I think we're poor.

This season is a write-off other than to let Koeman get the players in and let his system bed in.

Tony Abrahams
191 Posted 31/12/2016 at 14:51:09
Ray, I understand you clearly, and as John G says, that if Everton, sign Schneiderlin? He will probably go back to learning his trade from the bench. But surely he should be starting games for us right now?

Just come off another thread after reading he could be another journeyman footballer like Rodwell, so I think I should stop going on about him for now.


Colin Malone
192 Posted 31/12/2016 at 14:56:46
Carragher spot on again, just like other Sky pundits:

Gary Neville, Sacked as a manager,
Shearer, sent Newcastle down,
Iain Dowie, sacked,
Niall Quinn, sacked...

I can go on. I've got a lot of time for Jamie Carragher, the lad is down-to-earth and has never forgotten his roots and I enjoy all observations of the game by all pundits but it's easily said than done.
Ray Roche
193 Posted 31/12/2016 at 15:00:44
Tony, just like Fawlty's Manuel, "We know narthing"...

Happy New Year to you too. And Blue Boys everywhere.

Phil Sammon
194 Posted 31/12/2016 at 15:16:12
I'd be happy to sign Schneiderlin but this should aid rather than impede the development of Davies.

It should stunt the careers or the likes of Cleverley – who I don't particularly dislike – but whose progression is unlikely to ever benefit Everton.

Soren Moyer
195 Posted 31/12/2016 at 15:36:49
Andy, how are Hull not the worst team in the Premier League!?? If you are at the bottom of the table, then you ARE the worst team.
Eric Myles
196 Posted 31/12/2016 at 15:47:17
Soren (#195) – if they are that bad, what does it say about us??
Rob Halligan
197 Posted 31/12/2016 at 15:56:47
So what you implying, Eric? That we are the worst team in the league?

It may surprise you this, but we had no devine right to win last night.

Eric Myles
198 Posted 31/12/2016 at 15:58:05
Seeing Davies come on, I had flashbacks to Alan Whittle!
Eric Myles
199 Posted 31/12/2016 at 16:02:51
No, Rob (#197) I'm implying that there is more likely something wrong with the fan view that we should easily turn over a bottom team.

Especially as they are more organised and working harder than us for their survival.

Rob Halligan
200 Posted 31/12/2016 at 16:07:20
I'd agree with you there. Sorry mate.
Dave Abrahams
201 Posted 31/12/2016 at 16:14:26
John (#179) the young centre-half is Feeney, not bad at all. He gets stuck in, knows how to tackle, and doesn't mess around clearing the ball. He's only 17 or 18, and long way to go but looks okay, especially in his own age group.
Dave Lynch
202 Posted 31/12/2016 at 16:18:53
How the fuck we have finished the year in the top 10 is a mystery to me after some of the shite we have churned out.

I only hope we can push on with the help of a few additions to the squad and a bit more savvy management.

Tony Abrahams
203 Posted 31/12/2016 at 16:31:46
Dave, the Premier League is hyped up to the hilt mate. I don't watch much football anymore but, when I do, it's not often you see a great game.
David Barks
204 Posted 31/12/2016 at 17:03:22
The Premier League is in my opinion seeing the return of the established big boys with a huge gap to the others. And I think Spurs will be one of the clubs that is dropped back out of that top group. Man Utd is back under Mourinho, Chelsea is Chelsea, Man City aren't going to be going anywhere and Liverpool made the decisive move to go get Klopp and not accept mediocrity. That obviously leaves Arsenal fighting in that group as well for a top four spot. Spurs will be in amongst the top four challengers but I think they'll start to fall back to the 5th-6th of the 2000 years.

After that, it's a group of mediocrity which is exactly where we belong. Well win some matches, continue to draw or lose to the likes of Hull and Watford and Southampton, but those same clubs will lose and draw so we'll end up 30-odd points off the top in our usual mid table garbage finish.

Then we'll have people on here saying we just need to add a couple of quality players, then explain at the end of the window that we couldn't get those players because we're not in the Champions League. And the cycle will continue because we treat a 7th place position in the table as some great accomplishment.

John G Davies
205 Posted 31/12/2016 at 17:06:44
Thanks Dave.

I know you keep an eye on the kids coming through; I will back your judgement.

Soren Moyer
206 Posted 31/12/2016 at 17:30:06
Eric, it means we are closing on Hull!
Tom Bowers
207 Posted 31/12/2016 at 17:30:16
Dave Lynch, you are so right. Everton's play has been abysmal under Koeman and I hope to God he gets it right in the new year. I have seen every game and quite honestly have never seen such mediocrity from this team as a whole.

There is so much talent but so much underachieving both as a unit and individuals. One or two have played up to par but the rest have a lot to do in the second half of the season.

I wanted like most to give Koeman the first half of the season which we have but the product on the pitch is a lot less than we expected and he has a lot more work to do even with possible new signings.

Being seventh is flattering to the Blues but maybe they can justify that position and a higher one come the next few weeks.

David Midgley
208 Posted 31/12/2016 at 17:33:03
Just random thoughts after reading some of the comments here.

If Moshiri was the driving force behind the signing of the manager I would have thought that such a successful businessman would have clauses pertaining to results and league position etc.

Re Williams being slow, getting caught out of position. Koeman stated that he doesn't get involved with the buying or selling of players so who signed him? Wasn't this spotted?

Even if he doesn't have the best players to work with I would have thought by now that he would have improved their work rate. We are playing very poorly at the present time. Could this be dragging Gana down a bit? Is he losing heart?

Baines caught out of position last night several times then having to sprint back like Linford Christie. In the 29 min. Coleman was right up in the Hull half, harassed their player and won the ball. Two more Hull players joined in, he still kept the ball but by sheer weight of numbers he lost it. Not one Everton player showed for the ball or to help!! Pathetic.

Tony Hill (#134). Everton is a cross we all have to bear.

Andrew Clare
209 Posted 31/12/2016 at 17:51:05
One or two additions won't make a blind bit of difference. We need 4 or 5 new first team players pronto. Otherwise, we will be watching the same old garbage for the rest of the season.

It's time for Moshiri to spend big. I'm sure Koeman will get it right with the correct personnel.

Mark Tanton
210 Posted 31/12/2016 at 18:04:51
I was there last night – my thoughts in no particular order:

Barry absolutely ran the show, barely putting a foot wrong.

Barkley was garbage in the first half and perhaps had different instructions or a pep talk in the interval. His bullet header was a joy, from a beautiful cross.

Valencia was busy, neat and tidy and offered some good attacking presence. He may still be important this season.

Lukaku, as often discussed, was stranded most of the time up front and did a reasonably good job of taking the game to the Tigers.

Mirallas was repeatedly bollocked by Robles and Williams for not tracking back in the first 20 minutes.

Jagielka is absolutely gone at the game, and getting murdered by Mbokani is just embarrassing.

Mike Gwyer
211 Posted 31/12/2016 at 18:10:42

Dave Barks. (#204),

Do you really think so? Mediocrity, really?? What you feel the blues will achieve is what matters, not the comments you read on TW. I mean Top 4, seventh or maybe in the top 10... fuck, it's like a lottery really and I'm afraid we, as in Everton, do not have the pennies to match the points.

At Everton we spend what we get from selling. Full fucking stop. Kenwright will spin it otherwise but anyone can see that the transfer figures, for say the past 5 years, are all in favour of... Kenwright.

With our current squad, take out Lukaku and Coleman, maybe McCarthy on a good day and your left with a whole lot of a team, a bit like say West Ham. But, as always, every seat is almost sold for games at Goodison and away games are nearly always all ticket.

This is the joy of Everton and it will always be a privilege to be seated at Goodison, watching the team that you love.

Happy New Year and COYB.

Colin Glassar
212 Posted 31/12/2016 at 18:24:41
Andrew, we need a new spine; GK, CB, CMF and another forward. Four top players at a minimum.

Dave Lynch
213 Posted 31/12/2016 at 18:46:26
Sobering thoughts from a few posters here.

I'm honestly of the opinion that the best we will ever hope for under the current state of the Premier League is a cup win, never in a squillion years will we win the title.

We simply do not have the resources or the kudos to attract the big names, we all know the history of the club and what it stands for but the money driven whores that prostitute themselves (I include fans and player in that) don't see it that way.

Nor will they ever.

Colin Glassar
214 Posted 31/12/2016 at 19:43:57
Dave, Man City have all the money, stars, kudos etc... and played like a pub team tonight. Even the great Guardiola seems to have lost his touch in this league.
Craig James
215 Posted 31/12/2016 at 21:50:57
Mark (#210) my thoughts on the game, Barry was at the heart of the plus points of the first half and was brought off as he will be involved again against Southampton as Ronnie rightly or wrongly sees him as one of his star players.

Half-time I would of brought off Jags and Barkley, yes Barkley scored the equaliser and made up for him but offered very little and in fact slows our game down then runs down blind alleys.

If Ronnie wants us to play a compact pressing game he needs to go with a 4-3-3 or 3-5-2 formation. Again personally I would go with 4-3-3 as you defend from the front.

Enough of my waffle expect 4/5 new signings in January and a further 4/5 in summer, you heard it here 1st.

Happy news years eve and wish all my fellow Evertonians a healthy, bright and prosperous 2017.

Don Alexander
216 Posted 31/12/2016 at 23:24:02
Just watched the hi-lites on MotD and couldn't help but notice Lukaku as soon as his shot was turned onto the bar. The ball went towards one of ours on the right wing but Lukaku, after throwing his head back in disappointment at the save, wasn't even looking.

That's what me and others see when they we criticise him. To put it mildly his ego gets in the way of his work ethic, to his and our detriment even taking into account his goals.

Anyway, Happy New Year folks. Bah!

David Barks
217 Posted 01/01/2017 at 00:59:49

How would his ego cause him to not want to look and see the opportunity to get a second chance at the goal? Honestly, that's just so absurd.

People on here act as if he's the only player who looks to the skies when their shot is saved or goes off he post. His ego, my God...

The funny thing is that if he would have turned and demanded the ball be passed back to him from that player you'd probably be on here saying it was his ego causing him to be selfish and always wanting the ball.

Ernie Baywood
218 Posted 01/01/2017 at 03:51:51
I was disappointed at his reaction to that shot but, to be fair, is not true that he missed the next attack, he got himself back in there.

More disappointing for me was that he seemed to complain about balls passed into him that weren't accurate but then had the gall to throw his arms out when players didn't get to his own misplaced passes. He has the look of a player who is fed up of this team, club or maybe just the way we play.

There was criticism on here for negativity shown after the similarly poor performance at Leicester yielded a win. This is why people were negative. Playing shite will still get you some points but we'll have more bad days than good.

I had some sense of optimism during the dying days of Roberto's reign. It was generally due to feeling that the next guy couldn't do any worse. I think this fella is doing worse... right now the football is shocking. He's still getting some application out of them but that won't last forever.

Struggling to see any future for us that doesn't involve a toxic atmosphere and a managerial sacking right now.

Happy New Year!

Don Alexander
219 Posted 01/01/2017 at 10:53:22
Dave, I have never criticised players who put a full shift in, ever, regardless of their ability. Rom could be awesome if he'd just stay alive to what's going on around him and MOVE. Static as he generally is in the box he's making defenders happy.

Wish it wasn't so, don't want him to go, but do want to be beating off clubs queuing up to buy him, but that ain't happening is it?

Peter Morris
220 Posted 01/01/2017 at 10:59:22
For the first time I read a senior player in the squad (Jags) own up to our shocking inability to retain possession, in a piece in the Echo. I thought it was just me with a personal obsession. I find myself at every game screaming "Stop giving the effing ball away!"

I think this team's ability to keep hold of the ball for any reasonable time, and then to find a colleague rather than a member of the opposition team, is the biggest single failing it has of many, and now players who erstwhile were better at it than most (I cite Barry and Gana), seem to have caught the same malaise.

I wonder, do they actually do basic drills at Finch Farm, such as passing practice?

Brian Furey
221 Posted 01/01/2017 at 12:03:22
David @204. My feelings exactly. 7th place is the best we can expect this season and I think we might even struggle with that, depending how well we do bringing in new players.

Yes we did well to beat Arsenal at home and draw with Man Utd but I really can't see us catching Spurs, Man Utd or whoever else above them. Last season was very different with the big guns slipping up and Leicester playing out of their skins but if we want to be one of those top six big clubs we need huge changes in personnel and mentality.

For this year it would be nice to get a run in the cup but Leicester will be a tough start. I hope we buy more attacking players in thus window and not defenders or defensive midfielders. Schneiderlin perhaps... but we need more goalscorers.

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