Updated Wayne Rooney is reportedly set to make a high-profile move to DC United, with a £12m deal close to being agreed.
The suggestion yesterday was that Rooney would prefer to remain at Everton for the final year of his contract but was looking for assurances that he will be part of the manager's plans for next season before deciding whether or not to make the switch to Major League Soccer.
That was the contention of separate reports in the Liverpool Echo and The Times' northwest football correspondent, Paul Joyce in the wake of a Washington Post article that the 32-year-old is eyeing a transfer to the United States.
The crux of the issue under that scenario for Rooney is just who the manager will be after the end of this season, with speculation continuing that Sam Allardyce could be replaced as major shareholder Farhad Moshiri looks to get the club moving forward again towards the aim of Champions League qualification.
The Daily Mail then reported, however, that Rooney has informed Everton of his desire to join DC United when the MLS transfer window opens in July and that now appears to be the case, with Sky Sports claiming that a deal has been agreed in principle.
The player's long-time agent Paul Stretford was said to be in the US this week negotiating the finer points of a transfer that appears to have been hatched seven weeks ago when contact with the American club and MLS was first made.
He appears to have negotiated a contract that would run until 2020 but sources across The Pond say that nothing has yet been finalised and that the deal is still 50/50 at this stage.
Rooney arrived back at Goodison Park to much fanfare last July after 13 years away from his boyhood club with Manchester United. As part of a historic spending spree, the veteran was expected to be part of Everton's leap forward towards challenging for the top four under Ronald Koeman.
The Dutch boss was sacked by October, however, and eventually replaced by Allardyce who was brought in to steady the ship and ensure that the Toffees stayed clear of relegation. The journeyman manager and one-time England head coach successfully fulfilled that remit but poor performances, negative tactics and unadventurous football mean that that supporters skeptical of his appointment in the first place have failed to warm to him.
Allardyce has been the subject of terrace chants calling for his departure from Goodison Park and there has been consistent talk in the media that Moshiri is looking to bring in a Continental coach to lead the team going forward. There have also been strong indications — the strongest yet coming from Joyce in this latest report — that PSV Eindhoven's technical director, Marcel Brands, is to come on board to head up recruitment and, perhaps, another clear-out of the squad.
Rooney, who has shown visible frustration at having been substituted on a number of occasions recently, not least in the Merseyside derby, is now waiting to see what happens at Everton this summer and wants clarity from whoever is in charge that he will be part of the plans for next season.
The Croxteth-born product of Everton's youth system is the Blues' leading scorer this season but has struggled for form since the turn of the year and hasn't found the net in 2018 since dropping into a deeper midfield role.
He has been courted by DC United for the past year and could see a move across The Pond as the next step for what could be the final stage of his glittering career.
Allardyce has expressed more than once recently that he has "no problem" with Rooney, despite the former United man's frustrated reaction to coming off in the Goodison derby before an hour had elapsed.
He told talkSPORT yesterday that he would wish to keep Rooney at Everton and that he would not be one of the outgoing transfers that would be required to trim a bloated senior squad.
"I wouldn't consider anything on the cards on the moment," Allardyce said of Rooney. "It would have to be massive for him to want to leave Everton."
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1 Posted 09/05/2018 at 18:40:32
Whatever the outcome Sam and his hefty mates have to go.
2 Posted 09/05/2018 at 18:59:03
Given the team at present, a fit Rooney still offers more than most.
3 Posted 09/05/2018 at 19:02:30
He's often stated that he wants to coach after he retires, so give him a player/coach role under a forward thinking manager.
4 Posted 09/05/2018 at 19:06:03
5 Posted 09/05/2018 at 19:06:06
Sadly current lot, bar a few, seem a bit short on the quick thinking/anticipation front.
6 Posted 09/05/2018 at 19:11:25
7 Posted 09/05/2018 at 19:14:58
Sure he isn't the player he was but with the right manager he can contribute massively and glue our team together..
Still a fan Wayne lad.
8 Posted 09/05/2018 at 19:24:30
In which case we should be showing him the door, with thanks and a fond farewell.
If Rooney is central to the plans of the team next season then we're not taking the kind of steps forward we need to be.
10 Posted 09/05/2018 at 19:52:42
He realises that next season he will have less pace and any new manager won't pick him to play... If Big Sam stays he will stay, a old pro getting more than he is worth and playing time to suit.
.He has shown no commitment to achieve the required fitness of a Premier League player, when compared to other Premier League players of the same age. Gareth Barry was 10 times the player that Rooney presently is when he played for Everton.
This is another fishing expedition. The Pundit job hasn't materialised, no one showed any interest when he spoke of retiring and the MLS switch is like hard work, as is China. There are no Mug teams like Everton left.
The Gravy train is coming to a end. Not for the committed Ronaldo though. You had that level of skill. Pity you didn't have the attitude of Johnny Giles.
11 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:12:28
12 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:16:11
13 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:27:38
14 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:28:44
With Ref to 90% of the comments above, we need to be ruthless.
Its no use hanging on to past it players because they scored a good goal against Arsenal 200 years ago and won stuff with the mancs.
He was deemed surplus to requirements 2 years ago by United and here we are looking for reasons to keep him.
This squad needs an injection of youth and pace.
Wayne hasnt looked after himself well enough to compete at the highest level anymore.
How old is Ronaldo????
15 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:36:37
16 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:37:09
17 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:37:40
Sentimentality and emotion is exactly what we've missed this season. In addition, Rooney is a fantastic influence, and I honestly think he's been one of our best players in this laughing stock of a season.
Once we throw sentimentality out of the window, we become just another QPR. Let's be better than that and build ourselves up while maintaining the values that make us love this club.
Dare I say it, follow in the footsteps of Spurs and the other lot.
I'd say keeping boyhood blues around as leaders is a very good way of doing just that.
And sacking Allardyce, of course.
18 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:40:23
19 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:45:52
20 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:46:50
The next step is for him to either play at a level, like the MLS where he can continue his career for a number of years and earn whatever they are willing to pay him.
Another alternative may be to give him the player/manager role at Everton.
If this were to be the case, I suspect Rooney would pick himself less and less as he would more appreciate that his selection would be to the detriment of the team.
21 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:56:36
Best case we get a manager knows how to set his team up to win.
Worst case, end of next season Wayne's runs out his contract just like Baines and Jags; first-rate pros whose time has come.
22 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:59:13
Bill Kenwright @17
Youre not fooling anyone.
23 Posted 09/05/2018 at 20:59:29
24 Posted 09/05/2018 at 21:11:46
25 Posted 09/05/2018 at 21:11:49
26 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:18:42
Weve only seen glimpses of what he is still capable of, such as his hat-trick earlier in the season. Hes been a poor player in a poor team and I would hope that in an improved side, wed seen an improved player even if only for one season.
27 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:19:13
28 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:22:15
At best he would be used as an impact sub as a striker if needed. In this role he could bag us some important goals and points.
But at 150 000 pw , its an expensive sub.
29 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:25:59
He was past it over 3 seasons ago as most MU fans would have told you then, being unfit, due to his own unprofessional life-style and body abuse, too slow and far too sloppy in his distribution.
For our club to move forward he and BPB need to be dumped urgently along with other non-contributing hangers on like Ferguson and Jeffers. I'm all in favour of having ex-EFC players in the backroom staff provided they are top professionals in coaching or whatever their role is.
Allardyce was not my choice, but he's a long way from being our biggest problem - Moshiri needs to take a firm hold and make us a more professional and successful organisation rather than the sloppy outfit we've become under Bill K's tenure.
30 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:40:24
However I would love your idea of the manager and coaching structure being totally free of EFC history.
Only then would we shake the " jobs for the boys" mentality that is rife throughout the club, which in my opinion is holding the club back both on and off the pitch with youngsters looking up to nigh on a quarter a century of failure.
What an example.
Moshiri needs a clean sweep starting with the chairman.
Saying that I'd keep Duncan. I like Duncan.
Also give Big Nev some sort of role at the club.
32 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:42:50
33 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:45:10
Words fail me.
He's not the player he was, but I'm not sure he deserves that. He is one of the few who gave it all when he was on the pitch and showed a bit of pride in the shirt, unlike one extremely highly paid Frenchman, who has only started putting a shift in for the last couple of games.
I'd far sooner move on Schneiderlin, Klassen, Bolasie, Williams, before thinking that Rooney has no role at the club.
34 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:49:27
35 Posted 09/05/2018 at 22:57:00
Oh, and bring a shipping container full of Everton gear when you come. We Yank Toffees have nothing to buy over here. Club marketing has no idea the Western Hemisphere exists.
36 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:13:26
37 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:21:38
I so hope he goes. Btw he last scored in December.
38 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:27:25
39 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:36:38
"Dare I say it, follow in the footsteps of Spurs and the other lot."
Just remind us which old crocks who were past it did either of those two keep.
That is the difference between sentimentality and success.
Rooney should never have been brought back.If he wasnt good enough for Utd after giving them his best years he certainly should not have been allowed to come back to us and while we're at it can Mosh please pension Bill off so that he cant interfere with the running of the club anymore.
40 Posted 09/05/2018 at 23:40:13
If flexing his right arm and placing his left hand on his right bicep makes him a " legend", then it puts Dean, Labone, Ball and so many others to shame.
Get this scrounger out of our club even before Allardyce. It is a terrible indictment of our recent history that this parasite is a legend in the eyes of some.
41 Posted 10/05/2018 at 00:10:48
I try to see the positive spin, that he instinctively plays the ball where he expects a team mate of yore to actually show up.
We suck, so in the end I just despair, anyway...
42 Posted 10/05/2018 at 00:12:21
In 5 years nobody will remember that decent side they had that kept on finishing 3rd and losing FA Cup semi finals.
Just saying like...
43 Posted 10/05/2018 at 00:34:19
Yes they will. All those Spurs supporters will remember being in the Champions league year after year, facing the likes of Real Madrid and Juventus. And more importantly, theyre still building and will have the chance to compete in that competition yet again next season. Reaching and then maintaining a higher level is a form of success.
44 Posted 10/05/2018 at 00:39:46
Something tells me Wayne would prefer the aging fake tanned breast-implanted women of LA to the more natural specimen of bird in your neck of the woods.
45 Posted 10/05/2018 at 04:12:41
46 Posted 10/05/2018 at 04:28:20
47 Posted 10/05/2018 at 05:59:19
I imagine Agent Stretford is pushing for a move to line both of their pockets before Wayne's body caves in altogether.
The moment he kissed that Man Utd badge at Goodison, he lost his right to be a true blue so for me the quicker him and Allardyce leave then the better the club will be.
48 Posted 10/05/2018 at 06:49:16
49 Posted 10/05/2018 at 07:30:50
Of late, the demise which convinced United to offload him has taken on a new momentum. He looks like a boat without a rudder laden with a heavy cargo of meat pies. It's time that boat was pushed out to sea.
50 Posted 10/05/2018 at 08:21:14
Walsh - out
Allardyces cronies - out
Rooney - out
Ferguson - out
And quite a few other players too
The supposed (impending?) appointment of Brands is the key issue to all other recruitment. I dont care who we get as manager as long as they are prepared to play attacking football. Eddie Howe, Silva, Arteta, Vieira, I would give any of them my backing as I have done with every Everton manager bar one - Allardyce and the reason for that is we knew what we would getting from the moment we appointed him. I railed against his potential appointment on here as did others and quite a few posters shouted us down on various threads. As far as I am concerned his reign has been characterised by sterile, dreadful football, contempt for an incredibly knowledgeable and loyal fan base and ruthless self promotion. He is loathsome on every level.
I suspect we will find out more after the West Ham game. If FS stays then regardless of renewing my season ticket - I wont be going next season until he goes.
For all our travails of the 1990s it has honestly been the worst season I have experienced watching Everton since attending my first game in 1968. It simply doesnt even feel like Everton anymore - its like zombies watching ghosts in Blue shirts
51 Posted 10/05/2018 at 08:23:12
Andy Crooks's post is 100% spot-on but some will be upset over the comment. If Wayne really does want out then to me he probably knows Gravy Tits is staying.
If he stays and is still top scorer next season, then all the names are noted for the backlash.
52 Posted 10/05/2018 at 09:11:16
I certainly don't believe Rooney is leaving us, I just think the media have gone with this as it compliments the Allardyce uncertainty beautifully. I think Wayne will stay no matter who the manager is next season, as he has made that commitment to Everton being his final club.
We obviously want an attacking minded manager at Everton, and Wayne at the centre of that could be crucial. If we do get the attacking manager, Wayne might flourish playing in the middle of the park with a player in the mould of a David Silva, exchanging passes between the lines and threading diagonal balls to our wingers, as I would hope we have pacy wingers on both sides.
Just before Rooney was sold to man Utd all those years ago, I bought an authentic photo of him scoring that goal against Arsenal. It was hand signed with a letter of authenticity, then two weeks later he was gone. I was devastated. Twice I tried to sell that photo at a car boot sale for £5, but there were no takers both times. Then I heard last year that he was coming back to us, so I got it out of the cupboard and dusted it off. It's now framed and hung on my wall, and I wouldn't sell it now. It takes pride if place in the living room.
Wayne might have left us to try and win trophies, and had he stayed at Everton, he might not have won a thing? So you can't blame him for that, and I bet Shearer at times wishes he had done the same. You can't hang loyalty on you wall and you can't place loyalty in a trophy cabinet. You only get a short career in football and you have to make the most of it, and Wayne did exactly that.
So I know Wayne will be here to stay, and all this talk of USA and China is just headline filling rubbish that is being fed to us because of all our current uncertainty.
53 Posted 10/05/2018 at 09:58:03
54 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:25:45
He is a very intelligent footballer (who can have off-days like anyone else) who commands respect . He is an Evertonian who wants to see the club move forward (as it should have done these past 10 months) as much as anyone. He still has some good football left in him to offer us in that respect.
55 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:28:36
56 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:38:01
57 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:42:26
I don't think Everton supporters are "shit supporters". There is an awful lot of whinging that goes on on social media, but EFC supporters are hungry for success (that shouldn't have been allowed to slip away so easily a quarter of a century ago) - and movement towards new success, however small, was supposed to be happening this current season.
58 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:43:17
Jose Baxter - its a disgrace that he is even still associated to this club. What is he being paid for?
59 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:44:11
When he left Moyes had to sue him for false claims in 1st autobiogrophy.
Sold his story to The Sun
Back at the club a couple of months found cheating on pregnant wife
He has come back to us because he didnt want to leave the North West, he should pay us to play!
60 Posted 10/05/2018 at 10:54:47
I also doubt if Wayne has the temperament or skills to go into management. We've already got Big Dunc on the bench looking a bit confused, we don't need another old boy there.
61 Posted 10/05/2018 at 11:01:21
If I only have a choice of one cafe and the food on offer is below an acceptable standard or the service is not what it should be, should I
a) Be thankful that I have a cafe to eat in?
b) Happily accept my lot and tip the staff handsomely?
Evertonians just like any other customers are entitled to complain, castigate or raise their concerns about the product on offer, if the highly paid players can't handle that, they should go somewhere else where their lack of talent, commitment or idleness is appreciated.
If the RS fans are having a laugh at our expense so what? that has been the case for far too many years, besides which, how do they tend to react when things aren't going well for an individual player, manager or indeed their team?
Only an Evertonian would blame his fellow fans for this car-crash of a season, when so many others are at fault for the clubs struggles on the pitch. It would also be worthwhile remembering that for the last eighteen years or more the fans have stuck with the club, hoping to see an improvement in style and results, but for the last five years the club has gone backwards, blame the fans if you wish to, but I believe you're completely missing the real reason(s) why we aren't very good on the pitch.
As for Rooney, he will do what he's always done, look after himself first and the club he plays for secondly, nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned, if he chooses to stay at Goodison and the club want him, he'll be treated like any other player, produce the goods and we'll support him, become a liablilty to the team, we'll get on his back - that's a pretty normal reaction from most fans isn't it? Or have I missed something along the way?
62 Posted 10/05/2018 at 11:27:21
I would suggest a better word to describe him would be 'instinctive'.
An eye for goal, a burst of pace, a shot into the top corner.
A thinking man he is not and that is why he is so out of his depth and a constant liability in midfield (any part of it).
He is not a holder of the ball, a pass picker or game dictator. Never was and now, at his age, never will be.
A team-clogging waste of space that has a tearful Kenwright's stamp all over it.
He needs to be put out to pasture somewhere where his mere presence on the pitch is all that is required to fulfil his/his team's objectives.
If we are going anywhere, he has no place here.
63 Posted 10/05/2018 at 12:01:53
64 Posted 10/05/2018 at 12:06:01
I do think he has a vision that not many of our team can match and he can hit a long pass better than many of our midfielders but he is no Pirlo. The stats bear this out:
He has only 2 assists all season, despite taking a fair share of free kicks and sometime corners.
He makes 1.1 key passes per game which while decent for us would is not in the top 50 within the league.
He is disposessed almost twice per game which is almost two times more than any other Everton player (bar Bolasie!)
He makes about as many successfull dribbles as Michael Keane and Schneiderlin.
Basically he is not offering as much as a player who is in the team to create should be. The goals have been a massive bonus and for that alone i'd be happy to keep him as a squad player, though for that type of wedge we should really have someone who is starting each week and one of our most influential players. Rooney is no longer that.
65 Posted 10/05/2018 at 12:17:56
He won 5 PL titles, 4 domestic cups, the Champions League, the Europa League and the FIFA World Club. Fergie said he would be a great player in any era. But apparently he is 'out of his depth and a constant liability'. I am all for fans being entitled to their opinions, but James @ 55 equally has to right to counter when he feels they are talking utter shite.
66 Posted 10/05/2018 at 12:18:56
"Wow ToffeeWebers have now hit an all time low in hypocrisy. Amazing Evertonians have become the biggest joke on earth. Quite incredible the critisim [sic] of Rooney all year and the comments on here are beyond belief. What shit supporters. No wonder the rs are taking the piss."
To that from the thread about Kevin Campbell's thoughts on Sam Allardyce there is also your contribution @ 37 and 38 (a post you considered so insightful and profound, you thought it was worth repeating twice):
"We are a club in crisis because our supporters are so second rate."
How can I say this...? How about...
GET THE FECK!
67 Posted 10/05/2018 at 12:34:17
Sigurdsson 5 goals, 5 assists, 1.5 key passes per game, 0.7 dribbles per game and 1.5 shots per game
Rooney 11 goals, 2 assists, 1.1 key passes per game, 0.3 dribbles per game and 1.6 shots per game.
Schneiderlin 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.3 key passes per game, 0.3 dribbles per game and 0.2 shots per game.
Yet Siggy is a big loss to the team, Schneiderlin has recaptured his form and Rooney is crap.
68 Posted 10/05/2018 at 12:57:08
Sigurdsson has not been fantastic but has notably more assists, key passes and dribbles than Rooney. He's also better defensively... so yes, I'd say that he's more of a loss to the team than Rooney. Obviously, the goals go in Wayne's favour and is one reason I'd be content to keep him on the bench.
69 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:10:31
70 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:17:41
Why go to the expense of putting an irrigation system under the pitch when Kenwright could have stood in the middle and read all the books ex-players have written — the grass would be knee high in no time.
71 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:20:09
His strongest credential is that hes not Sam Allardyce
72 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:20:29
73 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:24:36
...would we? That calculation is only based on how we'd have done if he hadn't been in the team, and had no replacement.
Would we have been seven points worse off if we'd not been beholden to trying to fit Rooney into the team all the time? If we'd not been overcrowded with #10s? If we hadn't forced our record signing out to the left wing in order to accommodate Rooney?
74 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:28:23
75 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:31:17
76 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:40:08
Yes looks that way.. £12m fee agreed
77 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:40:22
79 Posted 10/05/2018 at 13:49:00
80 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:10:16
It may well be worth keeping the Big Man on to clear the decks for a future managerial appointment !
81 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:16:35
If not will he become the only player to have left Everton after being tapped up twice?
I still recall the Proactive Sports RNS stock exchange announcement of the original transfer to Manure with disgust... announcing that they had represented the player and Manure thus taking two chunks of the cash in clear breach of the transfer rules..
Eitherway get rid and take Lardiola with you..
82 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:16:39
We do have Gylfi however, and even Klaasen could play a similar position.
The squad needs to be trimmed to bring in first team quality.
Do the MLS want Mirallas too ?
83 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:17:41
His standout goal against West Ham will be relived for years to come.
Let's continue clearing the decks. Bolasie, Schniderlein, Mirallas, McCarthy (sadly) and Williams.
84 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:20:35
85 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:23:38
87 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:41:33
He hasn't got the engine for barely 60 mins, but as an impact player and for helping keep what ever squad we have, the next few months, in check in the training ground etc, then I'd keep him. Unless there's some great coup being planned by our leaders to get someone else.
No, I think, so and the clubs in a right mess, and we knew he couldn't rekindle his best days when we signed him, but he's better than most we have, in terms of football guile, in my view.
Big issues for EFC to resolve these coming weeks.
88 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:43:24
Plus the impact on the academy kids coming through and training with him can't be under estimated.
My dread is he is going because he knows Sam is staying.
89 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:46:50
90 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:46:56
91 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:46:58
He would have scored less because he wouldnt be on the pitch. There is evidence to support that, just look at the prior season at United.
92 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:47:03
If Williams and Keane could defend, if Schneiderlin could give shit, if Bolasie could cross, if Sigurdsson wasn't crap early on, if Klaassen could handle physicality, if Calvert-Lewin could control a ball, if we had a forward, if you had a brain. The scenarios are endless.
So best sticks to facts. I will be gutted if he leaves but don't blame him.
93 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:50:21
But his output has collapsed since Allardyces arrival. Coincidence, I think not.
Again a instinctively attacking player has been shackled by arcane tactics. Rooney has barely had a shot in game in months. Why?
Whilst I wont dispute Rooneys presence in the team has other knock issues his output has been destroyed by Allardyce.
94 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:50:41
Hes leaving because hes heard Sam is staying.
Please God, no.
95 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:51:00
96 Posted 10/05/2018 at 14:54:09
And if he wasnt allowed to take 6 penalties? And if he wasnt played in the middle with Gilfy being forced out wide? They tried to trot out that stupid “points won” stat as a way to diminish Lukakus impact on the the team last season. It was ridiculous last season and is ridiculous now.
97 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:09:12
98 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:12:34
1 – His presence/wage/name made him almost undroppable, meaning our best and most expensive player was pushed out of position.
2 – As a squad or bench player, he takes chances away from players like Dowell, Grant, Vlasic, Lookman. These are who we need to test and develop and build a style of play around.
3 – Too slow. The Premier League and the CenL has shown us anything in the last 3 years, to be successful you need pace and directness in the final 3rd. Rooney slows us down.
4 – If he is to adapted into a centre mid, his passing is below standard and he lacks discipline. Always a risk for a red card, and we already have players, young and established, to play there.
5 – £150k a week can buy better.
99 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:15:35
Shame about the penalty misses; he should have let Baines take the later ones. It was, however, a great kick at Anfield. Fabulous goal against West Ham. Good luck in USA.
100 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:17:26
As for Wayne the player, mixed feelings. Like others, I thought he actually played pretty well in the first half of the season - goals and assists as proof. But he was increasingly awful in the second half. The question is, was that the result of everyone being dragged down by dysfunction and disinterest, or was he especially bad? Jury out I think.
At an emotional level, it was great to see Wayne back in a blue shirt and I'm sure he's been a good influence around the club. If he does go, I wish him well.
101 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:18:42
I wanted him back because I thought coming back would gee him up and we'd get 2 good years from him. Alas its not to be – his goals have definitely helped us gain more points and he still has the big picture in his head when it comes to what's going on around him, However his lack of pace is now killing him as a EPL player and his passing has got worse as the season has gone on.
He loves the club and wants it to succeed, hence his annoyance at being substituted vs the RS. However, his lifestyle and his willingness to want to play at every opportunity since his teenage years has finally taken its toll. His performance versus West Ham will live long in the memory but it is time to say goodbye. I wish him well and hope he has learnt his lesson and commits himself to his wife and family.
The fact that reports say this was all initiated several weeks ago may mean Ki from Swansea could be on as that story emerged at the same time and he apparently can play with Sigurdsson. The summer will be very interesting and not just because we're all on FS watch — has he been sacked yet? If he's not, god help us all.
102 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:22:48
However, the way this club is at the moment, we'll probably blow it on a 29-year-old who'll do his cruciate in pre-season training and some Dutchman nobody's heard of who will find the pace of the Premier League a bit tricky even though he's training really really well.
103 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:23:38
We have been short of class up front all season but incredibly he has been used in midfield and while showing moments of class has been clearly out of his depth. Only Everton could fail to tap into a world class talent. It's criminal.
104 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:26:19
105 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:31:16
Yet, it's more important than ever, that Moshiri decides who is going to be Everton's next manager as soon as possible, to be able to bring new players in and let go those whom he doesn't want. Next season would still be complicated with the World Cup whirling all around us, and the transfer window ending early before the first ball is kicked at the beginning of a new season.
106 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:38:31
107 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:38:32
To think we sold him when he was only eighteen, and already one of the best players in the world, for just over double that, is just a reminder of why Kenwright must go too?
108 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:39:00
Wayne will always be high profile. Will we be without him?
109 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:41:51
110 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:43:17
I had hoped for a better fee than the one that has been quoted of around £12.5m but that is not bad business if you regard him as a free - which I don't think he was, strictly speaking – and of course he still costs us a fair amount in wages, which will free up some cash. Sadly China does not seem to appeal to him quite as much as the US and also it seems the Chinese have begun to wise up and are not so keen to pay vast sums for washed up players.
He's has been far from our worst player this year but that is more to do with the one aspect of the club where competition is intense. Nevertheless, he isn't getting better and anything worse than the past couple of seasons is certainly not the answer to our problems. I wish him no ill, he is and always will be a supporter of EFC and I'm quite sure he would have wished for a happier outcome, but we would be better off playing our record transfer in his true position and seeing if that works any better.
It's a shame that most of the other deadwood won't be sold for a reasonable profit. It may not have worked but he certainly hasn't been our worst piece of business – the other area in the club where there is intense competition...
111 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:47:45
112 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:50:53
113 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:55:08
You gotta be kidding me?!
114 Posted 10/05/2018 at 15:58:30
115 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:01:21
He has not set the world alight this season but who has. We have seen more effort from Wayne this season than sideways-lin has shown.
I wish him well in the US of A. I am sure Mike Gaynes can give him a few pointers.
116 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:04:37
If he wanted a successful return to his boyhood team, then he should have made the move several years earlier. All things considered, it was never likely to work out, unfortunately.
117 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:10:41
The yanks know how to make a burger so Wayne will be at home there...
118 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:12:01
Lord help us poor Blues.
119 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:13:15
Good luck in Trumpsville!
120 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:26:59
121 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:36:35
122 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:38:51
He will be back as a coach in a couple of years.
123 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:41:40
124 Posted 10/05/2018 at 16:53:59
125 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:04:01
I was done with it when Bally went to Arsenal and, of course, Lukaku went to Man Utd. Pure greed and no thoughts about football...
That's about it as regards Everton.
126 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:19:36
Brands is almost there, Walsh as head of scouting!
Get Silva onboard and things are really starting to brighten.
127 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:20:10
Man Utd deal to pay half your wage is up? You still need £300,000 a bloody week to live on? Your beloved Everton can't, won't pay you that and that's why you are off isn't it?
Here's me thinking you would be a future coach or manager and that's why you came back. But it's still the money isn't it Wayne, pure and simple bloody greed, nothing else. Bet you come up with the old new challenge reason for leaving. Well here is one boyhood blue that won't be wishing you luck and all the best, I think you have had more than your share of that!
128 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:23:00
129 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:26:07
Example is Andy Crooks @40 - Using a Rooney news story to attack Duncan. Disgraceful comments.
Martinez, Keoman and SA have had Duncan as a key part of their successive coaching staff. He has EFC running through his blood and is by all reports a very talented coach. Not sure your data points but terrible disrespectful assault lacking any class. We all know you would not say it to the legend's face.
We Everton fans used to have a good reputation around the country as fair and total class. The behaviour of bigoted keyboard warriors, who would not say things to peoples faces calling our players, management all kinds, is disgraceful and is puling our great club down.
I am hearing words like deluded, entitled, disrespectful, ungrateful being used now from around the country. Imagine what other supporters of other clubs would think if they saw this kind of bigoted bile against almost everyone associated with the club. Wonder what bile would come out if ToffeeWeb run a story on an EFC tea lady retiring because she had become upset at all the comments .
BTW I would keep our top scorer and points getter this year - lets add more goals and more winning mentality not ship it out. Without Rooney we would be close to relegation this year. I loved his hatrick and his penalty at the tin mine.
130 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:31:34
131 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:38:40
He is not a good role model and I certainly wouldnt want him coaching the kids.
His agent is a snake oil salesman and yet he is still retained by Wayne even though he should know better now at his age.
I never wanted him back after he gave his best years to Utd and they no longer wanted such a huge drain on the wage bill.
I actually think he is going because Moshiri has seen enough of the "Kenwright" factor which has seen him control successive managers and squads.
I think and hope we will see a big clearout at the top.
132 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:39:35
Unlike some others, I wish him well.
133 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:53:39
134 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:53:56
135 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:56:18
136 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:57:42
137 Posted 10/05/2018 at 17:58:25
138 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:00:46
Theres also a group who Id like to see under a different manager. Rooney is one such. The US will come calling soon enough, I wouldnt begrudge Rooney one more year in blue under a attack minded manager where, yes despite an ageing frame, he could have more to offer the team.
However, personally, I do not like seeing any decisions or deals done in ‘principle or otherwise until a new manager comes in.
Just another sign the club is floundering at the top level.
139 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:04:15
140 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:08:41
"The sadness remains that Rooney played his prime years with Man Utd."
Maybe true but who really give a fuck. Rooney is a blue, always was a blue and always will be a blue; and those Manx twats know it.
141 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:08:54
Sigurdsson 5 goals, 5 assists, 1.5 key passes per game, 0.7 dribbles per game and 1.5 shots per game
Rooney 11 goals, 2 assists, 1.1 key passes per game, 0.3 dribbles per game and 1.6 shots per game.
Schneiderlin 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.3 key passes per game, 0.3 dribbles per game and 0.2 shots per game.
I could have gone through all the midfield and my guess would be that Rooney's stats would match or better most. You never liked Rooney coming back and made that clear, so there is no reasoning with you.
142 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:14:35
Yes, saw that. And I pointed out that had Gilfy been allowed to take penalties instead of the 6 Rooney took, missing 3 but capitalizing on the rebound once or twice, that the stats would be flipped. The only stat that Rooney had above Gilfy was the goals, and that was down to him taking the penalty kicks.
As for my thoughts on Rooney coming back, I wanted us to be signing players with their best years ahead of them or in their prime. Rooney was neither of those, couldnt get in the United team. Sentimentality got in the way of proper footballing decisions.
143 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:17:19
144 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:21:27
145 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:28:34
146 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:28:34
147 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:30:05
At 12 Million Rooney needs to go. I was an advocate of him returning to the club last year. But now I want him to leave.
If we want to progress next season we need to be both honest and ruthless.
Wayne Rooney is no longer in the top batch of strikers on earth.
He is on the decline.
He will never be able to replace Lukaku's goals ratio per season.
He is no longer the future of the club.
He would struggle to break into any of the top 5 teams.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum should stand for something and Wayne Rooney ain't it. Everton like United should be a forward moving bus.
Thank you for your time Wayne. The best thing you can do for Everton is make way for the next big thing. As for sentimental feelings... Baines, Coleman, Jagielka, Davies, etc will suffice.
148 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:33:24
How do you know? Equally plausible is that he might realise that he won't be getting regular playing time and still wants that.
149 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:37:54
He's the perfect example of a big fish in a small pond... will always look good surrounded by the tiddlers.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him back at Swansea soon enough.
150 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:44:53
Christ Mike, what have the good citizens of the Isle of Man got to do with it.
151 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:45:45
The fact he could leave to pursue a successful career with a Club that are "supposed" to be our rivals and was able to return when he was washed up and walk into our team says more about our Clubs sad state than anything else
A soppy teary eyed transfer saga that had all the stink of Kenwright and his backward thinking fantasist mentallity all over it, Hope Bill will fuck off to the sun too
And he has been one of our better players this year, Both Shocking and depressing, The fat dud has used this once great Club twice now, ,hope this is the last of him, ,
Spare me him and BK and their "love"for the club and lets have some ruthless operators running the club ala Alex Ferguson ( I doubt the guy knows what sentiment is) and his trophy cabinet shows it
Good ridance and I still say I can fit in my Everton Jersey better than him and thats saying something I can assure
152 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:49:00
Maybe it is the chance he needs to start the new career as chat show host or actor in US whilst still getting the playing time he wants.
Maybe he and family love the USA plain and simple but he needs to be working to move there. Just like me with Goa.
153 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:52:25
Lets get behind current, past and present blues no matter what role or how they perform . as long as they really do shed blood for our club .
154 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:52:39
155 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:52:44
156 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:56:28
157 Posted 10/05/2018 at 18:59:04
158 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:02:18
159 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:02:52
Allardyce at his most detructive
160 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:19:03
Sober tomorrow but cannot promise much better!
161 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:21:01
One positive thought from reading some of the posts above. If Rooney was a Kenwright idea and the former is on the way out, then maybe Mosh has finally spotted that teary Bill is not fulfilling a productive role and should be sent packing so some more professional people can be brought on board. Maybe his deep pocketed mate Usamov, assuming HM government haven't arrested him yet, which might also indicate the appearance in some capacity of a certain A Wenger.
162 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:23:13
163 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:24:32
164 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:25:43
Someone posted earlier that this could mean Sam is likely to be staying. Just hope and pray that's wrong.
165 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:30:28
166 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:31:51
167 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:34:44
168 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:34:49
I was thinking the same thing and getting very worried about the prospect of Allardyce staying.
Surely not though?
169 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:35:10
Caviat: see above discussion with Brent! May be v wrong!
170 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:38:17
Since Moshori enriched Kenwright, we have become the benefactor of failed managers and players par excellence. Soon we shall be paying off DoFs and scouts. And it's not Russian money being used -it's Everton's !
171 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:45:04
Yes, I probably should have used 'given' rather than 'if'.
Your quote of £25m for half of Bill's shares indicates that Mosh would need, if my maths is correct, the best part of £100m to buy the rest of the shareholding. The problem I have is that while you still have large relatively penniless shareholders like Kenwright, there is not enough incentive for Mosh to shove money into the club unless there is some kind of call option. Why would Mosh part with his own cash to make others richer?
Nor do I think Mosh is rich enough on his own to pay £100m, underwrite stadium expansion and still leave some room for player investment.
This is the deadlock that needs breaking, in my humble opinion.
172 Posted 10/05/2018 at 19:47:21
173 Posted 10/05/2018 at 20:06:26
I can see my life slipping away...
174 Posted 10/05/2018 at 20:16:12
175 Posted 10/05/2018 at 20:21:47
I'd be gutted if he left.
176 Posted 10/05/2018 at 20:39:59
177 Posted 10/05/2018 at 20:57:02
178 Posted 10/05/2018 at 21:07:09
179 Posted 10/05/2018 at 21:12:49
£12m and the removal of a bigger earner would free up some funds to invest in a younger squad.
4 or 5 quality signings needed.
180 Posted 10/05/2018 at 21:51:12
181 Posted 10/05/2018 at 22:03:14
Nothing is going to be made public until then at the earliest.
Thank you Wayne without actually saying it. "Keep Allardyce and I'm off." The silence is deafening.
Moshiri, despite comments to the contrary is not as daft as he is made out on TW.
Keep Wayne as a squad player, and immerse him into the Academy / Under-23s et al.
Sam is history, I hope! Can you honestly see Marcel Brands agreeing to work with that arrogant, conceited clown?
As for the new manager, I'm really not sure; old head with young buck as understudy, may be the way forward?
Winning a European league doesn't equal premier league management experience. Guardiola took a season to come to terms with it, despite his reputation.
Let's wait until Monday and see what transpires.
I am hopeful that Moshiri will dispose of Allardyce and his team, allow Kenwright to sink into the background/oblivion, and we move onwards and upwards.
We probably won't see a return in the first year? but I can live with that, if we actually go forward!!!!
For me, someone like Wenger/Arteta could work, but highly unlikely, and as previously stated, I can't see Brands working with a dinasour like Allardyce.
Allardyce for another year! Wow, who in their right mind is going to join us?
182 Posted 10/05/2018 at 22:04:22
183 Posted 10/05/2018 at 22:19:23
184 Posted 10/05/2018 at 22:38:58
I worry that if he comes to the USA, he will be another Gerrard. The pace of MLS is faster and there is a boatload more running involved. He cannot do it as a number 10. Turf, travel, temperatures, and altitude will quickly put him on the bench or in the training room injured.
On the other hand, DC United is opening the new stadium on July 14, so having him present as the headliner may be why they are going after him. Otherwise, it is a lot of money for a part-time striker/forward.
185 Posted 10/05/2018 at 22:45:37
Walsh out or moved to chief scout
Allardyce, Sammy Lee, Shakespeare and Dunc out
New CEO in
New Manager and team in
Happy with that. Very risky making so many changes at once, but we need a complete refresh at the club. Lets hope Moshiri knows what hes doing!
186 Posted 10/05/2018 at 23:17:47
Least I got to see him in an Everton shirt. Always have that opening game header for the win. A goal Starting 11 Sandro and Klaassan helped create! And that hat trick.
Despite the sad average wage of MLS players, the league has lots of money. They can definitely come up with numbers that make sense for Wayne.
I live in the DC area. With DC United's new stadium opening real soon and Wayne's arrival, there will actually be some pro soccer excitement around here for the first time in years.
Wayne will even have an easier adjustment to playing here than Beckham etal had. United had to start the season with a slew of road games due to the delay in their new stadium opening. So, he'll get a run of home games plus the short, easy flights to NY, New England, and Atlanta.
After that, God help him. He'll discover, like the rest that come over, you live out of a suitcase playing over here.
187 Posted 10/05/2018 at 23:20:00
188 Posted 10/05/2018 at 23:21:34
I'm surprised the number of people that want him to stay. If he was to stay is he worth £150k a week to be an impact sub?! And if you think he should be a starter each week, do you really see him playing in a team playing fast attacking football?! I don't see it in either instance.
189 Posted 10/05/2018 at 23:23:05
190 Posted 10/05/2018 at 23:38:00
There are many players around Rooney's age who are still able to add significantly to the game. Two good examples are Ronaldo and David Silva and I am sure there are more. I still think Rooney likes to enjoy his life after football games. Unfortunately, he no longer appears to have the discipline to maintain the fitness and stamina needed to play at the top level. He also doesn't seem to even enjoy playing. He was offering more before Allardyce arrived.
If he does move to the US, I am not sure he will find it as easy as he might think. I don't see his new career lasting much longer than Gerrard's did in the US
191 Posted 10/05/2018 at 23:46:04
Sounds good to me. Time will tell.
192 Posted 11/05/2018 at 03:24:58
193 Posted 11/05/2018 at 07:15:35
Merson got it spot on last night: he needs pace around him to best use him and Everton under Sam Allardyce are the most paceless team in the Premier League.
Rooney is a professional who loves Everton but is not stupid. He would play in any position asked by the manager but he isn't happy being used in a deep defensive role and since Allardyce came his contribution has diminished. I have always said if he is used to his strengths then he would still be immensely valuable to the team.
But it's clear he does not fit the mould of Allardyce's requirements. That's not his fault... yet some of the brainless posts cannot see class over youth if it kicked them in the nuts.
The worst thing I would say about this is that it would confirm Allardyce as Everton manager next season.
We continue to hire managers who fail to get the best out of players who end up unhappy and leaving.
We continue to keep others who will never make the grade... good players give up on Everton, that's the most damming result of this, that and another season of Allardyce.
194 Posted 11/05/2018 at 07:31:52
Fat Sam is not only killing Wayne hes draining the lifeblood out of us. Sack Sam on Sunday and lets get on with our lives again.
195 Posted 11/05/2018 at 07:34:41
Pace might help Rooney but ultimately his passing is not good enough. There was a fair amount of pace at Man Utd in his last season and yet he made minimal impact. He's still a very decent player but, for £150k a week, we need more than that.
I certainly want us to have more pace in the team and Rooney is an obstacle to that. It would be okay if he was a high-level passer/creator but he's not. Sigurdsson gets more assists, key passes etc and also does more defensively. For me Rooney is a bench player next season and not sure he wants that.
196 Posted 11/05/2018 at 07:53:04
Another genuine Blue who seems to be in the same camp as the rest (most) of us. I'd love to see Sam go (with gratitude for his achievements this year to be fair) and see Rooney utilised most effectively - however that may be - with a new progressive manager and management team in place.
Please let this happen.
197 Posted 11/05/2018 at 08:04:34
Don't think of him as the greatest England goal scorer of all time, don't think of him as the player who was able to lead the line for a decade in a world class team.
Think of it like this, a player who we signed last summer who is our biggest earner. Judge his performances against what we have actually got, not what we hope he can still be.
Apart from a wonder strike against a woeful West Ham side, and a decent finish against Arsenal – what has he offered? Not very much. If he was somebody that we didn't really know then it would be a bite your hand off scenario.
Put it this way, has he been any better than Ross was last season? No, and most Evertonians couldn't wait to get rid of Ross Barkley.
198 Posted 11/05/2018 at 08:11:31
199 Posted 11/05/2018 at 08:28:24
The people at the top of our club are fucking useless, both of them, and I fear for our future. New stadium, CL football, sexy football, Hollywood manager etc... it all sounds like a massive dose of bullshit to me. Last one out turn the lights off please.
200 Posted 11/05/2018 at 08:39:59
Ditto with Klaassen and Ramirez, but Rooney is the main test, a marker as to whether we are going to remain Kenwright FC with all the useless nostalgia that entails.
201 Posted 11/05/2018 at 08:55:41
Not sure about this one
202 Posted 11/05/2018 at 09:30:02
203 Posted 11/05/2018 at 09:38:19
I've read many people on these pages, try and compare Wayne to Pirlo, even though they are, and have always been, totally different players. One of them has spent his career trying to find space, whilst the other was always at his best when he was attacking space?
Rooney has lost his burst of pace, and although you never lose your ability, then once you slow down, I don't think the middle of the park is the best place to be re-inventing yourself.
204 Posted 11/05/2018 at 09:42:52
Only if you can follow with instead of.
205 Posted 11/05/2018 at 09:44:34
Media are suggesting that Rooney would stay if Allardyce goes as Allardyce has said he's not part of his plans for next season.
Moshiri has given Rooney the OK to talk to DC United.
This would suggest that Moshiri agrees with Allardyce on Rooney.
And here's the scary part.
THAT would suggest that Allardyce is staying next season.
Someone come up with a theory where Allardyce DOESN'T stay please!!!!
206 Posted 11/05/2018 at 09:58:39
Go back to the OP and Read Sam's comments. It's over here too that Wayne's going to DC. Keep in mind, also, Lyndon's standard policy of leaving Rumour Mill items in the Rumour Mill unless the story grows legs.
Given what looks to be happening, Sam's comments appear to be guesses or just totally wrong. Which means a club's manager is completely out of the loop on player movement of one of his starting 11.
207 Posted 11/05/2018 at 10:25:08
Rooney has to go to get rid of his obsurd wages, hopefully getting money back on the transfer, and Rooney is finished as a Premier League player. (His own fault).
208 Posted 11/05/2018 at 10:26:30
Oh, I forgot. It's Moshiri we refer to. He's probably briefed Jim White rather than his manager !!
209 Posted 11/05/2018 at 10:27:54
If he wasnt good enough to get a game for United then he shouldnt have been for us if we want to be a top team.
We need to be signing the up and coming stars not the washed up ones!
210 Posted 11/05/2018 at 10:39:00
So do not allow yourself to be whipped into a frenzy by sensationalist headlines.
If Allardyce is in charge for the first game of the 2018/19 season, there will be a mutiny like football has never seen before.
His position is untenable. He knows it. We know it. And I am sure the board know it too.
What Rooney's motives are however, none of us know.
My guess is he's so vain and fuelled by his self-righteous sense of importance, that he is angered not having his 'golden boy' status pandered to any more and being the first to be hooked-off in nearly every game. That ego of his is not capable of handling such affronts.
Like anyone, he cannot see his own deficiencies: that he has become a complete waste of space and a possession-surrendering liability - despite this being well-sussed by management and fans alike.
So suck it up and warm your ass on the bench Rooney, or naff off and warm the rest of your body with it in the USA.
You should never have come back here and you are already surplus to requirements.
211 Posted 11/05/2018 at 11:19:23
Just shows what a mess Everton are now!
212 Posted 11/05/2018 at 11:22:58
I think there'll be big spring cleaning this summer (!!) whether Rooney stays or goes.
213 Posted 11/05/2018 at 11:25:24
214 Posted 11/05/2018 at 11:34:15
Given that, why are so many glad to see him go? It makes no sense to sell him when we could start next season stuck with Williams, Martina, Jags, Keane, Baines, Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Niasse, Besic, Mirallas, Galloway, Browning, Sandro and even Klaasen.
215 Posted 11/05/2018 at 11:49:16
216 Posted 11/05/2018 at 11:57:09
Take the money and take their arm off aswell, You can then use the arm to beat kenwright over the head with for being a soppy auld sentimentalist git.
Jez if God himself walked through the doors of Goodison in August I doubt he could sort this mess out
217 Posted 11/05/2018 at 12:42:51
Just wtf is happening at our club?!? And still not a fucking peep outta Moshiri???
218 Posted 11/05/2018 at 12:52:19
219 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:04:23
In terms of shots he likes to shoot from anywhere and has the most shots off target too!
Obviously penalties is relevant to his goals scored and half of his goals come from the spot or rebounds after missed pens.
Better to look at influence per game (shots, passes, chances etc) to get an idea of what someone is contributing and Siggurdsson outstrips Wayne in most areas. Neither are in the upper echelons compared to the rest of the league.
220 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:17:03
I think he is injured which is why he didnt train and left early today. The media can make it sound like whatever they feel like.
221 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:18:13
222 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:27:25
It is no coincidence that Sigurdsson's influence increased when he moved the CAM role and Rooney's waned when he dropped into central midfield. Let's be clear, I think Rooney amd Sigurdsson had poor seasons overall, but compared to the rest of them they were Ronaldo and Messi.
So let's lay off Rooney and save the bile for those who truly deserve it - take a bow Williams, Schneiderlin and Mirallas.
223 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:33:24
224 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:46:31
Take your pick...?
225 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:47:05
226 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:47:49
Trouble is he is getting older, slower and more error prone. Since December his form has been very patchy.
He will be 33 in October and footballing wise things are not going to improve. They will worsen. Any injury could see him struggling to recover the required fitness levels.
Going to the MLS would be good for the club and a good move for him to finish his career.
If he wants to stay it will be as an impact sub, in attack.
227 Posted 11/05/2018 at 13:52:10
I'll be surprised if he goes to the US, he has a young family in the UK and in the US he'll spend his entire season travelling - America is a fucking big place.
It'd be a major upheaval for his family and not just a footballing decision. I don't know the bloke, obviously so you never know. Good luck to him if he does, I was glad he came back and happy to see him play a few games even if he isn't the old Rooney.
228 Posted 11/05/2018 at 14:13:57
Imagine going into work to deal with Allardyce when you've previously held your profession under Sir Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourinho! it must be as depressing for him as it is for us!
229 Posted 11/05/2018 at 17:48:24
230 Posted 11/05/2018 at 18:04:56
231 Posted 12/05/2018 at 02:34:04
We all know how you feel!
232 Posted 12/05/2018 at 03:51:09
233 Posted 12/05/2018 at 09:23:19
Like many posters on here - I'm still a huge fan and believe in his talent and passion for our club.
Please stay Wazza.
234 Posted 12/05/2018 at 17:13:24
235 Posted 12/05/2018 at 17:15:47
236 Posted 12/05/2018 at 17:43:46
237 Posted 12/05/2018 at 18:12:40
Agree with you about bringing on some of our youngsters, but think perhaps your view of Rooney & what he may be capable of under the right manager may be somewhat coloured by your 'dislike' of the fact that he left us in the first place. ( I pick that up from the fact that you used 'Judas'). I think many are judging him too harshly on his recent performances. Even the best of players have down turns in form, and he is undeniably one of the best. Stand by the fact that while players may lose some pace with age, you don't lose vision, natural talent, ability to pass & football intelligence. All if which he possesses. All the best teams are a blend of youth & experience AND his name alone would bring players to the club, who without him may not consider us a viable option in our current state. I still think he deserves another season with a decent manager. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one Darren!
238 Posted 13/05/2018 at 14:20:10
IMO, starting tomorrow morning, Moshiri needs to weald the axe.
Ferguson (sorry big man)
Players: contract up in brackets. Steklenberg (June 2019)
Robles, good No2 (June 2018)
Williams (June 2019)
Mangala (June 2018)
Martina (June 2020)
Besic (June 2021)
Tarashaj (June 2020)
Mirallas (June 2020)
Sandro (June 2021)
Bolasie? (June 2021)
Schneiderlin (June 2021)
Henen (June 2018)
Niasse (June 2020)
Rooney? (June 2019)
Give Garbutt a chance.
Onyerkuru (sort his work permit out)
It wont happen tomorrow, but things need putting in place now, and no assumptions.
Next season we should be looking for top 6. Top 4 is not achievable for 2 to 3 yrs, and only then if we get big names in, and not current top 6 cast offs.
I appreciate Moshiri needs to acquire Woods shares, before wielding the axe at the top, but thats the main problem IMO.
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