Continuing the Cull in January

Martin O'Connor 24/12/2018 51comments  |  Jump to last

As the January transfer window looms large, talk has turned to whom the blues should bring in. Leaving aside any incomings and following the herculean Summer efforts of Brands and Silva to cut down on our bloated squad by shipping out many of the under-performers, there are still, in my opinion, a number of players who should be let go, either permanently or on loan in the January window.

Tyias Browning

Injury has blighted Browning’s career both at Everton and when out on loan. Now back at the Club, Browning's boat has certainly sailed concerning a career at Everton. This season, he has been playing quite well for the Under-23s but, at 24, is this where he should be? To be frank, Browning is now blocking the chance of younger players and should be moved on to free up space in the Under23s and for his own career.

Kieran Dowell

A prodigious talent with a fantastic left foot, Dowell has scored great goals both at Under-23 level, playing in friendlies for Everton, and for Nottingham Forest, especially in the first half of last season while on a season-long loan. Silva made Dowell part of the first-team squad for this season. Unfortunately, it has not happened for Dowell whose only starts have been in the Carabao Cup against Rotherham United and Southampton, the Saints game being a very poor showing with Dowell hooked at half-time. Dowell has also made a few underwhelming Under-23 appearances in the first half of the season.

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Clearly a player with talent, time in my opinion has started ticking for him. Another loan move seems best and then a final chance to impress next pre season. But if a good offer was made by a Club for him, both Everton and Dowell should seriously consider it.

Brendan Galloway

Galloway, after disatrous loan moves to West Bromwich Albion and Sunderland is now back at Everton. When he burst on to the scene at West Ham United in the last game of the 2014-15 season followed up by playing a number of games the following season the future seemed bright for Galloway. Then came the disastrous loans.

Since these loan moves, Galloway’s career has dropped off a cliff. Now back with the Under-23s, although he has been out injured for the last few months, at 22 years of age, it would seem that, like Browning above, his time at Everton has passed. Galloway should be moved on to free up space in the Under-23s and for his own career.

Mason Holgate

Holgate has made a number of first-team appearances including this season. A player with a bright future, he seems to have fallen to 5th choice at Centre Back behind Mina, Zouma, Keane and Jagielka. If Jagielka is to be the 4th choice Centre Back for the rest of the season it would make sense to get Holgate half a season of football out on loan before bringing him back for next season.

A caveat here is that the right side of the team has been the weakest in the first half of the season. Seamus Coleman is clearly struggling and is probably past his peak as a right back, while Jonjoe Kenny seems to be out of favour, notwithstanding if he is good or not good enough. This being the case Holgate can and has played right back for us and he could be retained for cover in this position with Kenny being sent out on loan.

Finally, unlike the other players named in this article, I still see a future for Holgate at the Blues.

Oumar Niasse

Marco Silva actually got a tune out of Niasse when he signed him on loan at Hull City. During pre-season, Silva said that Niasse was part of his plans for the forthcoming season, although it has become apparent that this view has now changed. Niasse is mostly nowhere near the squad on match-days and has never been good enough for Everton, his time is now well and truly up.

There have been noises that Cardiff City would like to sign him on loan in January. It would be better if we can move him on permanently and the Club, just as with Davy Klaassen, should take a massive hit on the £13.5 million we paid Lokomotiv Moscow for him. Niasse should be sold ASAP. I think at around £3-4 million we could see takers. If he cannot be sold, then a loan move should definitely be secured.

Morgan Schneiderlin

Schneiderlin was initially a hit in his first few months at the Club before his form tailed off drastically and has never returned. Schneiderlin has never reached the form he showed at Southampton nor at Manchester United (who were only to willing to offload him), or with us. Initially in the team at the start of the season, he has fallen down the pecking order. Schneiderlin is another player we should take a hit on the ridiculous £27 million shelled out for him and sell in January, probably he could be sold to a French Club.

Cenk Tosun

Brought in during the god-awful Allardyce period for another over-priced £27 million from Besiktas. Although he scored a number of goals once he got in the team he has never shown the quality for where the Club want to go. A starter at the beginning of this season, he soon became a match day substitute. Tosun has been in and out of the team as a substitute along with Dominic Calvert-Lewin, who at 21 is the younger and better prospect. In essence, Tosun just does not seem suited to the Premier League and should be sold.

There is a proviso here in that moving Tosun on is, in my opinion, dependent on bringing in a new striker, which the Club most certainly needs. The question is: Will this be done in January or will Brands and Silva wait till the summer? If it is the Summer, then I would keep Tosun for this season, as hopefully with the removal of Niasse, we don’t want to be left too short up front.

Theo Walcott

The other awful Allardyce-era signing. I have never been part of the Walcott bandwagon. A player with pace and basically nothing else. His defensive game is practically non-existent and I would never back him in a one on one with any goalkeeper. His game intelligence is also lacking and he has quickly regressed at Everton to his very average norm. Arsenal must be still smiling at the £20 million they pocketed for him. Walcott is 30 years old in March and we should cash in and get some money back now while he still has a modicum of sell on value.

Under-23 Players

With Everton being top of Premier League 2, it may seem a shame to disrupt the Under 23s. But, as with Browning and Galloway above, there are a number of players who have been around the Under-23s for quite some time, namely: Anthony Evans, Harry Charsley and Nathan Broadhead. These players are running out of time (or have run out of time in my view) to make the grade at Everton. They really need to be looking at their futures either by moving permanently or on loan in January.

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Dick Fearon
1 Posted 24/12/2018 at 23:36:09
I struggle to name any first team regular that started life in our academy or came through our much vaunted U/23s.
Don Alexander
2 Posted 24/12/2018 at 00:04:08
Dick, I agree. There are several among us who revere Unsworth on account of him apparently "getting" Everton. I say, "so what?" To me the guy produces players almost always unsuited to the demands of the Premier League despite them winning all sorts of youth trophies that mean zilch to the first team on match days.

And as to the contention that selling our youngsters significantly boosts our income, give me a break. As far as I know the allegedly remarkable, whilst he was with us, Liam Walsh has sunk without trace at Bristol City under the caveat of the ever-opaque "undisclosed fee".

Still, Kenwright backs Unsworth, and Ferguson, and Jeffers and all, so where does the problem lie?

Answers on a postcard please.

Merry fucking Christmas TW'ers!

As if.

Kiern Moran
3 Posted 25/12/2018 at 00:04:48
That seems quite a reasonable culling but then I've just watched us ship six to Spurs and do not have a lot of patience at moment.
Phillip Warrington
4 Posted 25/12/2018 at 07:46:39
We need to start afresh but that is never going to happen because we have too many mediocre players on huge salaries, who are never going to take pay cuts to move somewhere else. Nor are other teams willing to match their wages – and that's before we even get close to the transfer fees we paid for them.

I have no doubt, in the long run, Brands especially – and maybe Silva – will get the squad right... but, until not their contracts run out or we take big hits on their transfer fees and subsidise their wages. We are going to be nothing more than a mid-table team who one week might match it with the big boys, but mostly get taken to the cleaners.

We have missed the boat in terms of catching the big six; look at Liverpool last season as theirs are the only stats made available – they reportedly made £75 million from being in the Champions League last season, so you would say they would make around the same this season, so that's £150 million in just 2 seasons. If you say the top six are in the Champions League 2 out of every 3 seasons, Moshiri's millions can never keep up with that alone... Then you figure in money for Premier League position and cup wins and runs.

The best we can hope for in the next 3 or 4 seasons is we stay ahead of the bottom half because, once they start catching us up, we are in big trouble. Realistically, at the present time, we are a mid-table team who might spring the odd surprise.

I don't care what anybody says you really have to appreciate the job Moyes did with a limited budget compared to managers since him. You could see players walking off after the Spurs game... what seemed to be having a joke and laughing with the opposition. That does not sit well with me and nor does Pickford's continual use of Everton's games as training sessions; he should be playing the percentages and should be dropped but Everton can't do that to the current England keeper.

Paul Birmingham
5 Posted 25/12/2018 at 09:49:05
Merry Chrimbo, TWrs and have a good one.

Cull of players deffo and a mentality and mindset change is needed.

Serial collapses in big games and no back bone, means we are an easy game now to the so-called top six and most of this league as we've struggled against the so-called weaker teams of this league this season.

This is an issue that needs a psychologist, but that's only my view, but the players hide and don't show any guts, and it's a default trait.

Let's hope Burnley have an off day tomorrow.

Julian Exshaw
6 Posted 25/12/2018 at 10:07:15
Merry Christmas to all my fellow ToffeeWebbers.
Michael Lynch
7 Posted 25/12/2018 at 10:38:46
I wonder what we will call the Silva era? I mean, if Allardyce was "the god-awful era", I suppose the Silva era so far is "the desperately disappointing era". We're worse off than we were at the equivalent point last season, and our style has been sussed out quickly by the teams around us, and with glee by the likes of Spurs who have shown the rest of the big guns how to destroy us at home.

Happy Christmas folks!

Steve Ferns
8 Posted 25/12/2018 at 10:54:30
Happy Christmas to everyone. I hope you all have a great Christmas and see you all back at Goodison for New Years Day.

Don’t let the blues get you down. Some things are bigger, like friends and family, and you should enjoy Christmas with them as you never know what’s round the corner.

All the best.

Eddie Dunn
9 Posted 25/12/2018 at 11:19:27
Happy Christmas to all fellow ToffeeWeb ladies and gents. May Santa bring us gifts of goals at Turf Moor (for us) and a happier New year!
Iakovos Iasonidis
10 Posted 25/12/2018 at 11:38:18
I agree about all of them. I still have some hope about Dowell but, when I see him play, he seems to be far away from what we need. He reminds me a lot of a young lad, Ryan Ledson, we let go free some years ago. It is a cruel business but I don't count most of them as boyhood Evertonians who dream of playing for this team, so it would be good for both parties.
Dave Williams
11 Posted 25/12/2018 at 11:47:50
Well said, Steve Ferns. I can just about smile and agree with that after a couple of days recovering from Spurs.

Best wishes to everyone on here – apart from the character who was using the most dreadful language on the Spurs live forum and abusing others
– hopefully his Happy New Year will be elsewhere!

Neil Cremin
13 Posted 25/12/2018 at 15:44:39
Happy Christmas to all TWebbers.

May 2019 bring us the hope of a revival which we all crave. Even competing to be part of the top 6 would be a start and progress. Hopefully the Spurs result is a turning point.

Frank Crewe
14 Posted 25/12/2018 at 15:49:52
Out of the 6 players you mention, only Walcott has really featured in the 1st team. At the beginning of the season, he was playing pretty well. His decline in form has been no worse than the rest of the 1st team. So I don't see any reason for singling him out anymore than the rest of them.

As I said, the rest of them have barely figured so I don't see how any blame can be cast on them. Maybe they should be moved on but I doubt, other than releasing their salaries, it would make much difference to the club at all. The Under-23s set up is an entirely different question. This is something I posted a week ago in another thread.

"Really it brings into question whether the U23 system is working at all. It just seems to exist on the off-chance it may burp out the odd Rooney from among the endless stream of bog-standard dross. Is there a better way of producing top class youngsters than this?"

It does seem to me that, if you are still in the Under-23s by the time you actually hit 23, and no nearer to the 1st team than when you were 20, then really you are probably finished at the club and it's time to move on.

Niall McIlhone
15 Posted 25/12/2018 at 16:02:53
What Steve Ferns said, yeah, that puts things in to perspective, and I agree, Martin, that it's probably only young Holgate who will make the grade at the top level. Would there, I wonder, be any merit in at least trying him again at right-back? He is solid enough there as I recall, but unadventurous:

We could try re-booting Seamie's mojo by trying him at right midfield where he's played before and in a similar role to what Milner has played for that lot, both defensive duties and getting forward when he can. Theo just ain't cutting it right now.

I don't think (as some TWebbers seem to feel) that Coleman is done. He has had an horrific, near career threatening injury, his attitude has always been exemplary, and he will, in time, get to his previous levels, but maybe not this season. Merry Christmas all, and may we have a little joy from Turf Moor by 5:00pm tomorrow, God willing.

Mike Gaynes
16 Posted 25/12/2018 at 16:27:05
What Steve said.

Football is football, but your loved ones are everything.

Savor the day – and every day.

John McFarlane Snr
17 Posted 25/12/2018 at 18:14:50
Hi Steve [8], I'm not sure when I managed to put football (and Everton in particular), into perspective; I completely endorse your sentiment, and I recently stated on another thread, that if the worst thing to happen to anyone this year is an Everton defeat, then they haven't had a bad year.

Hi Dave [11], I have never visited the matchday forum, I was advised to avoid it. In a recent response to a post I submitted, the phrase ' Sensitive Old Souls' figured quite strongly, and while no names were mentioned, I took it on to myself to adopt the 'If the cap fits, wear it', adage. If you're not careful, you may find yourself a fellow member of the SOS!

Hi Mike [16], If anyone has the right to pass comment on this issue, then surely you have to be in the running, and I consider it a privilege to have met you, and that promise of a few old matchday programmes still stands.

Simon Dalzell
18 Posted 25/12/2018 at 18:30:39
Happy Christmas to all. 2- 0, or 2-1 victory tomorrow.
Brian Denton
19 Posted 25/12/2018 at 18:49:34
Hey, Blue Bill has just turned up in Carry on Matron (ITV3).
Neil Copeland
20 Posted 25/12/2018 at 19:24:36
Brian, let's just hope the team turns up at Turf Moor tomorrow!

Steve, well said, sir!

John #17, my dad has Parkinson's which has led to dementia and he went into a care home earlier this year. So, yes your comments relating to a good year are spot on. Funnily enough, I went to see Dad today and told him about the Spurs game – his only comment was to say “At least it wasn't 10-4 son!!!” Strange how the mind works sometimes.

On that note, Happy Christmas to all.

Martin O'Connor
21 Posted 25/12/2018 at 19:47:44
Frank (14), I agree with you on the Under-23s – the system seems to mainly produce fodder for the lower leagues at best with the odd chance that a gem may be found. I think, given more time, Brands may get the academy system working better.

Don (2) makes good points but, at the end, I am not saying moving on Under-23s players will bring in loads of money; only that, if they are not good enough, they should be moved on – even if it's for pennies.

Niall (15), yes, I remember Seamus playing in midfield a couple of times in his early days but I don't think this will work now. I'm not writing him off but I think he has passed his peak and we need to be addressing that now.

Dave Abrahams
22 Posted 25/12/2018 at 20:35:49
Martin, I understand you saying it is time for the players you have named to be moved on, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to get rid of Holgate and Walcott.

As for Niasse, I understand his limitations but I would select him every time ahead of Tosun, I think the only reason Tosun is selected ahead of Niasse is to save embarrassing him.

Anthony Evans is still only 19 and has had a couple of bad injuries which haven't helped his progress, so I'd give him a lot more time.

As others have mentioned, I think Brands will change the way the U23s are run, starting next season.

Derek McMonagle
23 Posted 25/12/2018 at 21:42:09
If we had a solid team of professionals who were able to control matches, it would provide opportunities to introduce young players so they could receive support and learn their trade at the highest level. Many won't make the grade but surely there must be some who would, given the right development?

At the moment this is not the case. What is the point of introducing young players to a frequently struggling team so lacking in skills and confidence? The unrealistic expectations of understandably frustrated fans adds to the problem.

James Hughes
24 Posted 25/12/2018 at 22:00:38
I would like to echo John's comments (#17),

I had a full knee replacement in November... 8 days later, I buried my dad, and couldn't be a pallbearer. I did the eulogy though. He was an RS and we would banter about the game. The last derby was a sad day.

Everton losing a game still annoys me hugely, but hey ho.


Kunal Desai
25 Posted 25/12/2018 at 22:22:09
I'd echo Steve Ferns comments. Have a Merry Xmas to all the ToffeeWeb family.

Enjoy the festivities and appreciate the people we are lucky to spend the day with – family/friends and loved ones and also a time to reflect those that are less fortunate, wherever they are in the world, and those that are no longer with us, but have touched the hearts of many.

Andy Crooks
26 Posted 25/12/2018 at 22:26:29
My wife's response to my reaction after the Spurs game was to suggest I had become "unhinged". She was right.

There is little in the world that should provoke such a reaction. I am suitably chastened. There are a million more compelling reasons to get upset. Football is not one of them. Sometimes it just seems like it.

Dave Williams
27 Posted 25/12/2018 at 22:32:14
John #17, I will be privileged to become a member!

What I read on the Spurs forum was a disgrace to any civilised person but hopefully the culprit will be banned.

I am aware that you have had a rough time this year and I wish you all the very best and a much better year next year.

Peter Mills
28 Posted 25/12/2018 at 22:35:10
Nothing like a day playing Scalextric with grandsons to provide a bit of perspective.

Best wishes all round, especially to those of you I met this year, it was a joy.

Paul Birmingham
29 Posted 25/12/2018 at 22:40:30
This is the way it is. But we never will lose the fight, and our time will arrive, but not in the next few years.

What's Our Name? Family and friends is the heart of the family, and EFC is part of the family, by default.

Now more than ever, we must stand and ride the storm, which is coming from a short walk across Stanley Park.

Neil Copeland
30 Posted 25/12/2018 at 22:46:40
Paul #39, good post. Ever thought if applying for the manager's job?

COYB

Gerard Carey
31 Posted 25/12/2018 at 23:26:11
Someone on another thread, a few days ago, mentioned that they were 61 years old. And that they were becoming resigned to maybe never winning the league or even a cup in their lifetime. I'm the same age, and it's really hit home with me too.

We seem to have been treading water for years now, with little or no progress. Can anyone say that we are better off now than the Moyes years?

We all weave different things into our lives, Everton being one thing we all have in common; family and friends being the most important.

Here's hoping for a good, healthy and prosperous year for all. And maybe a decent cup run for us. Happy Christmas to all fellow ToffeeWebbers.

Dave Bowen
32 Posted 25/12/2018 at 23:59:26
You missed Calvert-Lewin off the list. Despite his obvious limitations, Niasse is far better than either Tosun or Calvert-Lewin. Calvert-Lewin is admittedly good in the air, but absolutely powder-puff on the ground and second to every ball. Tosun offers nothing. Niasse at least somehow manages to score goals. However, if we actually manage to bring a proper striker in, ship all three out.
Si Cooper
33 Posted 25/12/2018 at 01:44:03
News flash: we MUST field a team that qualifies as an U23s; we DON’T have a foolproof way of identifying those youngsters who are destined to be Premier League standard, and we couldn’t REALISTICALLY prevent a large percentage from signing for other clubs even if we could. End result is we are most likely pre-ordained to see roughly 99.99% of the youngsters who pass through our academy end up as journeymen players.
All we can hope for is that the youngsters are given the best opportunity to make it, the club runs the academy as efficiently as it can (which includes making the transition from U23 to first team as seamless as possible), and that once in a blue moon we all get that special buzz of seeing a player nurtured at EFC burst into the wider world’s consciousness.
I don’t get the craving for seeing the deadwood pruned because I have some sympathy for every player who has obviously come to our club and done their best. The use of the word cull in the title of the OP seems crass and insensitive to me. At the same time I have the ruthless opinion that all of them are replaceable as long as their replacements are genuine improvements. Ideal world for me is we end up with the very best 25 man squad that can be assembled and the nice but not-good-enough guys get jobs as club ambassadors if they fancy it.
Martin O'Connor
34 Posted 26/12/2018 at 02:39:37
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Martin O'Connor
35 Posted 26/12/2018 at 02:42:59
Dave (22) I think you missunderstood what I mean on Holgate. Have a look again, I agree with you on Holgate and he is the one player I mention who has a future at the club. It is just now if he is not cover at right back and not getting a game at Centre Back then he should get half a season on loan rather than be at the club and not play.
Andy Codling
36 Posted 26/12/2018 at 05:21:49
Don Alexander #2 I agree ref Ferguson and Jeffers, this club has been run on sentimentality for two long!
Dick Fearon
37 Posted 26/12/2018 at 05:53:44
Many years ago I was hauled over the coals by others on newly created ToffeeWeb for saying that Liverpool FC players seemed physically stronger, fitter, more aggressive and suffered far fewer injuries than our lot.
For daring to mention them by their proper title I was firmly put in my place and instructed to refer to them only as the RS or ‘that other lot’.
I was told that ToffeeWeb was concerned only about supporting and news of Everton and comparison of the two clubs was frowned upon or indeed considered to be traitorous.
Ensuing years saw a chasm develop between the success and aspirations of both clubs with barely any discussion on these pages about why.

Gradually the Blue tinted blinkers are coming off and questions are being asked.
Questions such as, did the rot set in when Boys Pen Bill and his tax dodging mates took the reins of this once great club.
What is becoming more and more noticable is a growing clamour among T,webbers that everything should be open to scrutiny from our scouting system, academy, entire coaching panel and fitness training.
If that means taking a few lessons from the 'other lot’, so be it.
Mr Moshiri and our long suffering supporters deserve nothing less.

Si Cooper
38 Posted 26/12/2018 at 08:06:38
Neil (#20), that seems right on the money for both memory and perspective from your Dad, or am I reading your “Strange how the mind works sometimes.” comment the wrong way?
Kevin Prytherch
39 Posted 26/12/2018 at 08:19:09
Dave 32 - add Calvert Lewin to the list?

The guy has just played up front against City and Spurs, scored one, had a perfectly good goal disallowed and got an assist. What more do you want?

As for Holgate and Dowell - they’d both be better off going on loan somewhere for half a year. Only at a decent club though.

Walcott - fair enough, but we would need a replacement. We have 4 wingers at the club, that would take us down to 3, if Richarlison is still played at Centre Forward this would leave us with Bernard and Lookman with no options off the bench.

Dick Fearon
40 Posted 26/12/2018 at 08:55:39
Kevin@39,
your last para sums up why I look for a roots and branch investigation of the clubs entire organisation.
After years of full time intensive training under so called professional coaches not one out of hundreds of lads chosen by our scouts and have passed through our costly academy is deemed capable of trying out as a first team winger.

The same could apply to any other position.

Fran Mitchell
41 Posted 26/12/2018 at 09:11:38
We need a complete new right-side.

Make a serious move for Palace's right back, offer Kenny and Tosun in exchange.

Agree on selling Walcott, if a buyer can be found, and signing a replacement like. One player here in Brazil who had a hell of a year is Dudu of Palmeiras.

I've always likes him, he would be popular as he is tenacious, aggressive, and never stops running. Although he also seemed to lack that precision in the final third, yet this season he was flying, goals and assists from that wide forward role. At 26 just may be the right time to come to Europe.

Whilst from Argentina, Dario Benedetto had a heck of a Libertadores, at 28 is in his prime. Prolific, and scores some Worldies too. And Cristian Pavon is gonna be top player, although not prolific (yet).

Paul Birmingham
42 Posted 26/12/2018 at 09:33:55
All The Very Best to All TWRs.

This thread makes good reading, and is honest and frank, and the truths hurt, but it’s the real truth.

The club must realise and face these issues as unless the tide won’t turn.

It will be hell today, but let’s hope we win at Turf Moor.

Stepping stone to a long, long, road to better times.

Have a good Boxing Day, TWrs .

Paul Birmingham
43 Posted 26/12/2018 at 10:24:36
Steve, your spot on there and no truer words said.

I lost my uncle last week, and this Chrimbo, ain’t the same, and uncanny the last 4 years, at Chrimbo, a friend or relative has passed.

It puts life in perspective. Everton is in our blood, and that’s great but family and friends, as well as Everton, is life.

Paul Birmingham
44 Posted 26/12/2018 at 10:40:13
Cheers Neil. I’m an FA coach, only L1, but what gets me with this and most teams at EFC, the last 30 years, is the poor game management, communication and leadership on the pitch.

Starting with JP, they should hire Big Nev, to get some brutal common sense into the lad, whom could easily fail to reach his potential.

The rest of the team need to grow some, as it’s seriously embarrassing the lack of spine and guts in this squad.

The basics are lacking and you could see every goal happen, on Sunday before it happened.

You don’t clear across the box,it’s Row Z, or kick it out. My gut feeling is some basic game and mindset rules, are missing or not endorsed.

My NYR, yes I'll apply for a coaching job at FF! Seriously no chance, but for the life in me, the club lacks a level of professionalism, in my view and I could be miles wrong, but we see repeat incidents every season.

For all the hi tech gadgets in football these days at EPL, level, at EFC, and I’ve watched the U23s enough, don’t seem to use the video evidence to to learn and improve the teams.

Sobering reality check and this day is a massive one for Everton and MS. I hope we smash Burnley, but I just can’t see us, smashing any team these days.

When was the last time we played for 97 minutes?

Have a Ball TWrs!

John McFarlane Snr
45 Posted 26/12/2018 at 13:32:51
Hi Neil [20] I'm genuinely sorry to learn of your Dad's situation, and I was struggling to find a way to relay my sympathy, because I lost my 82-years-old sister three weeks ago.

However on tuning in to 'ToffeeWeb' today, I've discovered that there are others who have experienced similar losses, but unlike James [24] I wasn't able to attend her funeral. I was in a physical rehab unit, as a result of a recent injury, apologies for introducing a sombre tone to the thread, but to return to the main reason for this post, I hope you can take some comfort from knowing that there are some, proud to be regarded as 'Sensitive old souls' and who are mindful of your feelings in this sad time.

Hi James [24], I appear to have answered your post with my reply to Neil.

Hi Dave [27], as the self-appointed Chairman of 'Sensitive old souls' [SOS], I welcome you to the organisation. I have had a year to forget, but compared to the experiences of others, I regard myself as lucky. Thank you for your kind words.

Hi Peter [28], the feeling is mutual, those two meetings put faces to names, we must do it again soon, but we'll have to take care that we avoid clashing with any SOS gathering.

Hi Paul [43], If you've managed to read through the thread, you'll be able to appreciate that there are others who have experienced your emotions in what is generally regarded as the 'festive season'

In December 2008 we lost our 44-year-old daughter, and she implored me to carry on my life as normal, stressing that as Everton played a massive part of my life, I should continue watching them. So as I hope you understand to some going to the match is voluntary, to me it's also a commitment [It also makes me proud to be a 'sensitive old soul']

Dave Abrahams
46 Posted 26/12/2018 at 13:51:36
Martin (35),just re read your piece on Holgate, you are correct I was a bit hasty in my reply and realise you are a fan of the lad. Sorry mate.
Jim Wilson
47 Posted 26/12/2018 at 18:15:48
Continuing the nonsense more like. How many culls do we need?

We need good management to use what we have properly and gradually fashion us into a winning team.

We need continuity not childish actions.

Paul Birmingham
48 Posted 26/12/2018 at 19:35:24
John thanks for your kind words and embracement of life and our beloved Everton.

Today Father Christmas gave us a very nice surprise. Now for Brighton.

Have a great Boxing Day night, TWRs,!🍺👍☘️⚽️

Andy Crooks
49 Posted 26/12/2018 at 19:57:29
Si Cooper,keep talking sense. We are talking about people here. Even twenty grand a week does not entitle you to be "culled".
Simon Smith
50 Posted 27/12/2018 at 14:50:21
On the matter in hand, as a club we still have a lot of dead wood, I think a list of 10+ will be moved out by end of August 2019.

Getting rid of these will free up an absolute fortune in wages, but the income won't be as high as we'd like.

Player Wage Value
Schniederlin £50k £15M
Niasse £50k £5M
McCarthy £ 50k £5M
Besic £30k £5M
Bolasie £50k £5M
Williams £50k -
Jagielka £50k -
Baines £50k -
Martina £40k -
Pennington £15k £3M
Galloway £15k £1M
Browning £15k £1M
Garbutt £30k £0.5M
Tosun £60k £10M

14 players named above should all be dead certs, Baines and Jagielka have been brilliant servants but they have to move on as they command too much in wages to warm a bench.

There are many others who are currently out on loan or playing U23 who could go too. Dowell, Kenny, Hornby, Joe Williams – all need either loan deals or Everton to get into Europe via the Europa League to prove there worth.

Others, like Connolly and Robinson need decisions made on them; imo, Robinson should be back-up to Digne (sink or swim for the young USA international) and Connolly is at a stage where hes ready to be back-up or moved out.

I'm sure one or two others may have escaped my notice, but even at an estimated guess on wages and fees, it's clear how many players are basically weighing the blues down and need moving on.

Kieran Fitzgerald
51 Posted 28/12/2018 at 08:05:52
With the list of fringe and out-on-loan players, we need to ask ourselves: Is the player any closer to making the matchday squad now than he was a year or 18 months ago? This is all the more valid given how many managers we have had in a four year period. Many of these players were signed by managers who are long gone and who now do not suit the current manager's ethos. Simon @50 has shown a list that highlights this.

In relation to the question as to whether an Academy is still valid, I would say that it depends on the club. The likes of Burnley, Brighton, and Cardiff have kept a very tight transfer budget in place. I think all three clubs would love to have our Academy and what it produces.

I think Everton under Moyes in the early years would have really made the most of the players we are producing in the last couple of seasons. Moyes had a minus transfer fund and would have given his left nut to have the production line we have now.

Simon Smith
52 Posted 28/12/2018 at 17:37:27
I think we earn enough from our academy via transfers alone to keep it a viable option.

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