Everton History 23comments | Jump to last This article may have been recategorised and is therefore no longer available at this URL. You can try to find the updated link in the article archive. Share article: Reader Comments (23) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Michael Kenrick 1 Posted 29/05/2022 at 21:42:04 Nice treatment of a classic and remarkably air-brushed piece of undoubted corruption at the highest level in English Football. Yet the Wikipedia pages for both Arsenal and Spurs make hardly any mention of this. I like to think it gives Spurs a firm sense of historic injustice that still pervades their relationship with their local rivals, and in this woke era where the wrongs of the past are being so sensitively reinterpreted, it would be nice to see an official investigation implemented by the Premier League, followed by the relegation of Arsenal to the Championship, by means of fair retribution. Paul Birmingham 2 Posted 29/05/2022 at 22:17:30 Great article, John, some story, that is. At first on seeing the title, I thought it was an article about Alexâ€Sandy†Young, an Everton hero, from the last Century. It certainly is another story of corruptness in the game, and I shall take this story up with Arsenal supporters, whom are good football people. That's some scam. Brendan McLaughlin 4 Posted 29/05/2022 at 22:30:11 Thanks John Mc I knew there were some shenanigans associated with Arsenal's longevity in the topflight but never knew the detail. Thank god such behaviour wouldn't be tolerated today.😊 John McFarlane Snr 5 Posted 29/05/2022 at 23:31:49 Hi Michael [1] Paul [2] and Brendan [4] I have been aware of this injustice for quite some time, and I felt it needed some publicity. There's no telling what the future would have been for Arsenal if the normal promotion procedure had been applied. Everton may well have been by virtue, holders of both the most top flight games, and the longest unbroken run in the top flight. The thing that bugs me is the fact that it was done by John McKenna, the one time League President and Liverpool chairman. It strikes me that this sort of thing is in the DNA of Liverpudlians. Derek Thomas 6 Posted 30/05/2022 at 07:29:19 Nice piece, John. £60,000 debt and £125,000 investment – that's modern day Oligarch type money.I think it's fair to say more than 1 sizable 'consideration' changed hands along the way. Phil (Kelsall) Roberts 7 Posted 30/05/2022 at 07:34:54 In 1914-15 there was a case of match fixing involving Liverpool throwing a game against Manchester United to prevent United getting relegated Then Henry Norris persuaded the chairman of Liverpool FC to allow a team 5th in Division 2 into Division 1 on spurious grounds. One has to wonder how rich was John McKenna when he died. Ian Jones 8 Posted 30/05/2022 at 07:46:52 John, was aware of the basics of this, but not the details. Thanks for filling in the gaps.When you say DNA of Liverpudlians, I assume you mean the red contingent.Surely no fun and games has ever taken place involving the Everton Liverpudlians. :) It should also be noted that Everton won the last league title before the war suspension and retained it for a number of years. Ian Hollingworth 10 Posted 30/05/2022 at 08:18:53 So corruption in football has been around for a long time. Alan McMillan 11 Posted 30/05/2022 at 09:11:49 Very interesting read, John Snr, thanks! I would be curious to see how many professional footballers would sign up to go to war these days :-| Almost reassuring to see that the seam of corruption runs deep and long throughout the history of football - and LFC in particular. Oh, and well done to Real on Saturday :-) Jack Convery 12 Posted 30/05/2022 at 09:14:30 Wherever you find money and men you will forever find corruption. Had no idea of this story. Thank you for sharing. Bill Watson 13 Posted 30/05/2022 at 09:24:14 Thanks John,Like others, I'd been aware Arsenal were promoted on dubious grounds but didn't know the nitti gritti.Like England playing all their1966 World Cup games in London, when their semi was scheduled for Goodison Park, the powers that be just wouldn't get away with this, today. John McFarlane Snr 14 Posted 30/05/2022 at 12:02:07 HI Derek [6] not one to rely on 'google' I took the opportunity to check up on Henry Norris, he was described as a property man, so I suppose that's where he got his money from. It also states that he sued both the FA and the Daily Mail for libel, lost the case in 1929, and was banned from football for life. He was also found guilty of giving Charlie Buchan backhanders, at one stage.Hi Ian J. [8] as a pre-war baby, I was born and reared in the district of Everton, Mill Road hospital and 75 Everton Road to be precise. I have never regarded myself as being Liverpudlian in any form, and following one or two distasteful episodes I'm not about to become one at this time in my life.Hi Ian H. [10] as Jack [12] says, where there's money you'll find corruptionHi Bill [13] I echo your sentiment regarding the World Cup fiasco, we were scheduled to host that game from the outset, I suppose that the FA considered that it would be profitable to change venues. I hope to see you at the next get-together whenever that may be. Danny O’Neill 15 Posted 30/05/2022 at 12:28:30 Bill, I've always been vocal in my disinterest for the national team. Partly my roots and partly because of what you allude to. If they took the team to the country, there might be more buy in. To me, it remains in the grip of London and the south east corner of England. That's my opinion. John Senior. My youngest brother was born in Mill Road, I was born in Sefton General on Smithdown Road. I think it's now the site of an Asda. I have never and would never describe myself as a Liverpudlian. I hate the phrase and don't associate with it. My father had a hard enough time making me wear a pair of jeans when I was a young child in Germany because they had a patch on them saying "proud to be a scouser". I asked what it meant and he said that I was from Liverpool. I was distraught. I thought I was from Everton. John McFarlane Snr 16 Posted 30/05/2022 at 12:46:17 Hi Danny [13], I understand you being distraught, but in truth an Evertonian born in Everton is no different than a true Evertonian born anywhere in the city. I just use it for boasting purposes. James Lauwervine 17 Posted 30/05/2022 at 13:42:25 Thank you, John Snr, very interesting and educational! All those 'big' teams scrabbling around the bottom of the league whilst we cruised to the title (okay, by one point) was a joy to read. Ian #8, your point about us retaining the league trophy got me thinking. In fact, if you rank teams by number of years they have been top-flight Champions we are joint first with 20. :-) Ian Jones 18 Posted 30/05/2022 at 14:17:01 John, understood re Liverpudlians.James, yep, agreed re top-flight champions, also possibly one of the longest undefeated runs in the First Division, must have been approx 4.5 years… although I guess most teams could claim the same. Bill Gall 19 Posted 30/05/2022 at 14:56:24 Hi John. I was born in 1940 and I don't know what the circumstances were but I was born at home 87 Scarisbrick Road Norris Green Liverpool 11. Became an Evertonian in 1952 after playing on Goodison for my school. Danny I was close to becoming a German resident as my Dad was asked after the war to stay on in Germany, I believe he was an engineer but spent most of his time driving a tank during the war. I am the same as other supporters, when people ask me were I am from and I say Liverpool, they say oh you are a Liverpudlian and I say no I am an Evertonian. John McFarlane Snr 20 Posted 30/05/2022 at 16:41:21 Hi James [17], In 1914-15, the season Arsenal were relegated, there were in the First Division a number of derby games played. Everton vs Liverpool, Bradford City vs Bradford Park Avenue, Sheffield Wednesday vs Sheffield United, Aston Villa vs West Bromwich Albion, and Manchester City vs Manchester United. I suppose that Blackburn Rovers vs Burnley, as close neighbours, could be included, and Newcastle United vs Sunderland – despite being a fair distance away from each other and in different counties – could be added to the list.Hi Ian [18], When we were somewhat younger, we used to annoy the Reds, by saying we held the First Division Trophy longer than any other club. 1913-1920 and 1939-1947.Hi Bill [19], I fear that Covid-19 has put an end to my holidays abroad, and it used to aggravate me that, when people learned I was from Liverpool, they immediately assumed I was a Liverpudlian. The sad part is that, unless they were football followers, they didn't even know that there were two clubs in the city. Peter Carpenter 21 Posted 30/05/2022 at 17:04:07 Nice article, John. I knew about the Arsenal thing but not in so much detail and certainly not about McKenna's part in it. I have enjoyed telling Arsenal fans over the years that they did not actually win promotion and so should be demoted - never too late for justice. Perhaps Liverpool should also be punished for their part? I suggest a 60-point deduction for next season. John McFarlane Snr 22 Posted 30/05/2022 at 19:44:23 Hi Peter [21], A friend of mine who is sadly no longer with us, rang me up one Saturday morning from a Pub in London, where he had moved down to in the early 80s. He was in the company of some Arsenal fans who claimed that Arsenal had never been relegated. I was able to tell him that they had suffered the drop in 1913. I don't expect football fans to know everything about their club, but occasions such as championships and relegations are the basics. I have no doubt that there are some Evertonians who sing, "If you know your history" who fall into that category. Phil Parker 23 Posted 31/05/2022 at 01:11:05 Great stuff, John, and hope you are well. On another note, I don't understand why we do not have European Super Cup finalists 1985 on our honours list. The fact that we could not fulfil the fixture was not of our doing. You hear of Nottingham Forest making a welcome return to the top flight and people immediately reference the fact that they won the European Cup and are therefore a huge club, and likewise Aston Villa make capital from winning the trophy. It was a time when English clubs dominated, and the next club with a huge chance of being on the winners rostrum, on maybe more than one occasion, would have been our good selves. After that season, we did not play in Europe for 10 years. Like all Evertonians of a certain age, I think of what we missed out on through no fault of our own every day. Sometimes several times a day. Some days, it never goes out of my head. Going further back, I blame Adolf Hitler for stopping another one of our great sides from winning more trophies, with an experienced keeper, and a young spine of T G Jones, Joe Mercer and young Tommy Lawton, as you well know. However, there was a far more important battle to be won then. Cheers, John, take care. John McFarlane Snr 24 Posted 31/05/2022 at 15:28:19 Hi Phil [21] it's good to hear from you again, regarding your mention of the loss of Tommy Lawton, T G Jones and Joe Mercer for the duration of the Second World War, it's impossible to know what Everton would have achieved if the war hadn't taken place. The Football League was abandoned in the early stages of the 1939-40 season. Players suffered the loss of 7 years of their playing careers, and I was of the opinion that there would be examples of players also being affected by the First World war. I have a book "Football League Players Records 1888 to1939, luckily enough, I managed to open it at a page that confirmed my suspicions it reads, George Richardson, born 12 December 1912, died 1968. Huddersfield Town 1933, Sheffield United 1935-1938, Hull City 1947 I'm certain that there are many others whose careers were shortened by both conflicts. John McFarlane Snr 25 Posted 31/05/2022 at 17:06:44 Hi again Phil [3], Ignore my last post – I had a bit of a brainstorm, I can only put it down to age or senility. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. About these ads , placement: 'Below Article Thumbnails', target_type: 'mix' }); Find out how to browse ad-free and support ToffeeWeb © . All rights reserved.