Everton to go back in for Patterson

According to “bobble” on Twitter, who's usually on the money with club news, we are back in talks for Patterson from Rangers, with Patterson wanting the move.

I'll have to take other posters' views on Patterson as I've not really seen him, but many rate him.

Danny,

Presently, Patterson can't get in the Rangers team simply because Tavenier is so consistent.
Patterson is a bit of a throw-back in that he's a bit less glamorous on the eye and more a 'kick shit out of the winger' type. He will take no prisoners. He can also cover at centre-half.

At the weekend, they played him at left-back and he did well. A bit like Godfrey, he cuts back on his right rather than continue crossing with his left.

Certainly one for the future... Rumour is the only reason he did not sign for us in the summer was down to Gerard. Rangers wanted the money but Slippy G would not let him go to Everton regardless.

John,

I have a mate who's ITK with all things Rangers, and apparently the only reason Paterson didn't join us in the summer was because he contracted Covid in the last week of the summer transfer window, and not because Slippy didn't want him to join us. Rangers are desperate for the money and are willing to sell, although they did think the first offer @ £5M was too low.

Besides, seeing as Paterson is about 21 years old, will he soon be at “The Peak” of his career? Apparently 25 years old is the new 30+, with a 25-year-old deemed to be on a downward trajectory as regards his career. Maybe we should consider signing, or playing 15-year-olds seeing as they will probably be past it by the time they reach 20 to 25 years old!

If he can't get a game in the Scottish league, how come he's good enough to play in England? I am just asking because I don't know him.

Patterson worries me. 21 and can't get a game at Rangers because of James Tavernier. The problem with that is that Tavernier is Tavernier – not Dani Alves. It would be like saying he is playing second fiddle to Alec Cleland.

I don't know enough about Patterson; in fact I know nothing. I share your concern about if he can't get into the Rangers team then why would he be a replacement for us? But then sometimes you find hidden gems. And this is coming from someone who advocates shopping on the continent. I still wish we'd have got Dumfries.

Roger, Kieran
Just a few points about Patterson replacing Tavenier.

Tavenier is Club captain and since joining Ranger 6-7 years ago has never let them down.
He is consistent in his performances - SPL standard, and therefore there has never been a reason to drop him.
For a right back his goalscoring and assist are quite good, at any division level.

Patterson has really only been on the scene last season and this.
Last season Rangers won the league and I think Tavenier was either leading goalscorer, or if not then bloody close so no chance of a young unknown replacing him.

This season Tavenier, though not equalling his actual scoring feats is still the most consistent of Rangers players, again no reason to drop him

So Kieran although Tavenier is no Dani Alves, Patterson has not had the chance to be close to Alec Clelland.

Would you drop DCL for Simms just because you "heard" Simms was one for the future?

I can understand the concern regarding Patterson. For every young Seamus Coleman, there are ten signed by clubs up and down the country, who have all the potential but lack a certain quality to make it.

Our scouting department must be very confident in him for us to be offering £10M+. Benitez will have spent some time studying him too, so you would be confident that he is a success for us. Or maybe sort of lower end, moderately confident(ish).

I haven't seen much at all of Patterson either. From what little I have seen he looks wholehearted rather than classy. Much like Kenny really. Contrast Aaron Hickey when he was at Hearts and looked really classy - and is now doing well in Italy. There must be more to him as he seems so well regarded.

Would agree with your assessment Robert, but didn't a young Seamus Coleman come from,where was it? Oh yes Sligo ?

Rob
a good mate's lad is at Ibrox and when Everton came a calling Stevie G la told all and sundry he would only sell Patterson to "that lot" over his dead body!
Could well have had covid though I don't know.
You are right Rangers were interested in the money - still are.
With hindsight we should have bailed out when they knocked back our initial 5 million.
Now with Slippy gone they may well be happy to sell but as we upped it to 9 million I think they'll be looking to start there.

Robert
Hickey was another one who "got away"
It's like my points to Roger and Kieran. Hickey plays left back so would Scotland drop Robertson for Hickey - think not, but it doesn't mean he couldn't do a job for a top Club
When you think we are thinking of buying this Ukraine guy for 15-20 million, strange.
There are still some decent players up in Scotland and even if they didn't go on to become the best players in the world we would have still got our money back.
Every time I see John McGinn I could cry. We could have got him for 2-3 million early doors. Crazy

It's a tough one to call with Tavenier being so consistent. He hasn't got a run in the first team, so hard to judge how good he is from playing reserve or u18s in Scotland.

It would be nice to think that new players will be coming in the new year and even better if they were to prove themselves able to compete at a high level pretty quickly.

Everton have a poor record for signing second rate players for too much money especially since those wonderful Kendall days but given the awful injury problems surrounding the team at present a couple or three adequate strengtheners would not be amiss.

With the uncertainty around the pandemic it may well be a few more games may be cancelled giving injured players more time to get 100% fit. Certainly that would help the likes of Everton.

I'm also a bit concerned that Tavenier is first choice. I'd rather we didn't go for him, and go for Tavenier. At the money that's being talked about it seems daft with our finances.

If we hadn't p*ssed £550m+ against the wall we could have had our pick of Lamptey and Aarons. Both young up and coming full backs doing the business now in the EPL. Still if he's a tough nutter who takes no sh*t from the opposition he'll do for now. Seamus - the poor sod - needs a rest and then retirement, soonest. Great servant and a Blue for all time. We'll miss him when he's gone. Best £60,000 ever spent by EFC.

Just to add to the why is Tavernier picked before Paterson debate, another reason Paterson isn't first choice; Tavernier is a fantastic penalty taker and Rangers get a lot of penalties...

Agree with John above, McGinn could have been at Goodison for buttons, now one of the best midfielders in the league. Hickey, VVD, Forster, Wanyama, Robertson, Tierney just off the top of my head that we've missed out on in Scotland.

Most Rangers fans I know all say the same thing, Paterson is better than Tavernier.

John #12, I was disappointed when Hickey went to Italy because he just looked so good at a very young age.

I'd love us to be the go-to team for Scottish, Irish, and Welsh talent. There's something so important about having a British core. And Hickey was so cheap, McGinn too.

Maybe Patterson will be the start of it. I'm encouraged by your earlier description of him bring a kick the shit out of players defender. We could do with some of that attitude.

I follow the NFL. There was some skinny kid who was pretty slow in all the tests back in 1999. Finally one team took him with their 7th selection. The guy was the 199th college player selected that season.

How many people on 16th April 2000 were saying that guy the Patriots took will do alright? How many said who? Another to disappear into obscurity.
So all those who say we should have taken this player or that player - how many others should we have taken that have proved absolute busts? Hindsight is wonderful.

Just ask the New York Jets - they took Chad Pennington and they could have taken Tom Brady and Patriots fans have seen Patriots win 6 superbowls and the Jets have won the division once, back in 2002.

Totally agree - and when we invent time travel we can go back and pick up all those players who people missed.

Why do I get the feeling we're heading back to the early to mid Moyes era with these January prospects? Well drilled, hard to beat. Boring as shit to watch, 1 nil wins with a breakaway goal after 2 shots on target.

Paul, you're spot on. That's where we're heading. Selling big names and spending peanuts until the stadium is finished and the FFP chain gets loosened. 11 players behind the ball to hold out for a 0-0 draw. Nick a goal and we should be excited.

By the way, Moyes has deeper pockets to spend than us.

We must fancy Digne to fill the coffers come January or have they stopped not falling out yet? Who needs a DoF when it just takes a not so good barney.

What I've seen of Patterson is encouraging, he looks quick, quite strong, gets up and down a lot and is able to beat his man and put a decent cross in. Though definitely he's raw defensively.

He's not played more for Rangers because Tavernier is their captain and best player but Patterson clearly has the potential to match the likes of Tierney/Robertson if all goes well.

I like the idea of signing Mykolenko and Patterson. It would give us two young, energetic full back with good pace who are 6ft and able to help at set pieces at both ends too. Certainly they both need development and Patterson especially will make mistakes defensively, but recall many didn't think Coleman would cut the mustard in his first season or so.

If we were to get Mykolenko for £17m (a bit overpriced) and Patterson for £7m that would seem like sensible business to me; both players represent a risk but have great upside and our previous strategy of opting for ‘tried and tested' has not borne much fruit.

It would be great to come out of this season with an established core of young players like Branthwaite, Gordon, Godfrey, Mykolenko and Patterson - who can each occupy their positions in the First XI for 10 years if all goes well. That could provide the platform and stability for a really good side.

Icing on the cake would be successful cameos for Onyango and Dobbin - and a hatful of goals for Simms on loan at Blackpool. That would bode well for next season and the makings of a decent squad for our first season at BMD and beyond.

Another young right back mentioned was the cheaper option, Calvin Ramsey

As our game was called off I came up to Hampden for Sunday's League Cup Final - less said!
Anyway decided to stay up for Hibs game last night against Aberdeen.
Ramsey wasn't in the starting 11 but did come on at half time.

He didn't look out of place, neat and tidy, got stuck in and up and down well but did nothing really noticeable
I know it was a very short 45 minute cameo but based on that Coleman or JJK have nothing to worry about

John, I guess the noticeable thing about Ramsey is his age. If he doesn't look out of place in the first team at 18 then he should have a good career.

John [25], Ramsay is just back after a lay-off with a hamstring injury. Hence the cameo, the lad can play apparently. First minutes back after light training last night.

Absolutely Rob [26], he's definitely worth keeping an eye on for the future.

Jack 16, sorry but Aarons isn't doing the business anymore mate. He's getting the back tore out of him most weeks now.

Now as for Lamptey - mmmmmm, Lamptey.

Yes please.

Jay, good shout on Lamptey, whose value has probably increased dramatically, now people have seen more of him in action. My only reservation would be his ability to cope with a big hairy rough arsed winger screaming down the left, could he cope?

He may not be first choice at Rangers but he has established himself in a rapidly improving Scottish national team.

From what I've seen he looks a good bet for the future and as we are a club shopping for exactly that with a limited budget then why not take a punt.

Derek,
I raved about Lamptey last season before he was injured but he does seem a bit slower now hes back and he is very small for a defender and better going forward so might not fit the Rafa profile for a full back.

I have watched Aarons too recently and while he is losing a bit of confidence with every adverse result I believe he is one of the best RBs we could get. Patterson has potential but is relatively untried in the Prem but is showing well for Scotland.

Any of them would be good additions IMO and its also good to see JJK improving again.

I think there's a good chance Aarons will go to Newcastle and help them out of the Championship before regaining confidence and becoming a really good player.

Lamptey is probably too expensive for us unfortunately. More suited to wing back than orthodox right-back too.

Patterson is a bit of a risk but probably worth it at low cost, young age and low wages.

Bit left field, but I have a mate who watches Man Utd Under-23s and raves about a right back, Charlie Wellens. He reckons that, if he wasn't behind Dalot and Wan Bissaka, he would be playing first team football.

He is 19, plays right-back or wing back and is out of contract in the summer. Was highly rated by Mourinho.

Anyone know anything about him?

Interesting Stephen, has got a ring to it too, just imagine him ripping down the wing beating all before him and scoring a wonder goal. " Well in Wellens " !

Hang about though, if he made a total cock up, it would be " Wellens you Bellend " !

Good to hear the supporters getting behind the players, (?) hope if he is as good as your mate reckons, it has some mileage in it. You could imagine the comments on here, not another Man U reject ! :-)

Derek, don't think of him as a reject, think of him a Man U's Thierry Small.