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VIEW FROM THE BLUE

Doomed From the Start

By Lyndon Lloyd   ::  13/03/2012
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Liverpool 3-0 Everton

Be it due to refereeing injustice, poor fortune or simply a case of the players failing to "turn up" on the day, the Merseyside derby has for most of the 21st century thus far been a source of agony and despair for Evertonians.

Sure, there has been the odd moral victory at Anfield where the Blues ground out creditable draws and moments of ecstacy like the extra-time win at Goodison in the FA Cup replay a couple of seasons ago or the 3-0 hammering meted out five years ago. But the cold, hard fact remains that of the 24 League derbies since the 2000/01 season, Liverpool have won 15 of them. Everton have won just three.

The undeniable gulf in resources between the two clubs has been only part of the story ? as Joe Royle proved, determination and spirit can often bridge that gulf, so it's supremely ironic that a team as renowned for those battling qualities as David Moyes's has been over his decade in charge should have such a poor record in the one fixture where the form book goes out the window and local pride trumps all.

On the eve of his 10-year anniversary in charge at Everton, with his team unbeaten in two months and breathing down the red horde's necks in the table, the stage was set for David Moyes to finally claim a first victory at Anfield and lay to rest the most enduring and painful hoodoo of his tenure. Instead, the manager, seemingly with not just one but both eyes on Saturday's FA Cup quarter final with Sunderland, fluffed his lines by breaking up a winning team and condemned the Blues' long-suffering supporters to yet more derby humiliation.

Some of the six changes Moyes made to the team that beat Tottenham were understandable: Leon Osman was the standout performer in the first half on Saturday but faded visibly with fatigue in the second half; Steven Pienaar was a natural choice to come back into the side after sitting out against Spurs; and, at 34, Phil Neville was an obvious candidate to be rested during a hectic spell of five games in two weeks.

The decision to throw the hitherto untried duo of Victor Anichebe and Denis Stracqualursi into arguably the most one-dimensional striking partnership at his disposal was mystifying, though. Perhaps, with Nikica Jelavic still coming back from injury, Moyes felt caution was the watchword where his match winner from the weekend was concerned; whatever the reason, it left the side with precious little guile up front and, without two of its most creative elements in Osman and Royston Drenthe, lacking craft and thrust in midfield.

It was in central defence, though, that the game was probably lost. Phil Jagielka was pitched back into a starting role, breaking up the rock solid partnership of Sylvain Distin and John Heitinga, and the combination of the Englishman's lack of match preparedness and an uncharacteristically awful display by the Frenchman allowed Liverpool to waltz through at will and Steven Gerrard to rub the Blues' noses in their own mess with the first derby hat-trick for 30 years.

Moyes's was a line-up clearly built on physique with another a slugfest in mind but was undone by speed, passing and ? as painful as it is to admit ? finesse in arguably the tamest derby in recent memory. It was either a horrible miscalculation, a deliberate sacrifice of local pride for the hope of a date at Wembley, or both.

The minutia of the game itself aren't worth poring over. Suffice to say that were it not for a couple of good saves by Tim Howard, one to deny Gerrard after the defence has been carved wide open, and terrific covering by Jagielka and Jack Rodwell, the Blues might have been a goal down inside the first 12 minutes.

The Reds were quicker in thought and hungrier in deed than Everton but, having weathered the early storm, Moyes's side started to settle a little and probe forward themselves. Great work by Leighton Baines, easily the best outfield player in Blue on the night, off Pienaar's rerverse pass ended with the South African receiving the return ball off the fullback before skying his effort from the angle.

In the main, though, nothing was sticking up front, with aimless balls missing their targets and the two big men up front mostly chasing shadows. When opportunities did present themselves, Everton often over-elaborated, as was the case after a quarter of an hour when Marouane Fellaini's determined tackling had set up an attack with Liverpool short on numbers but Pienaar eschewed the shot and was closed out.

They improved a little as the half wore on, though, forcing some corners and creating a half-chance for Anichebe with his back to goal but he took too long and his effort was charged down.

Then it all fell apart. Fellaini wasted a nice opportunity by being dispossessed deep in Liverpool's half with Stracqualursi in space ahead of him and Liverpool broke. Howard saved Martin Kelly's initial shot from the angle with his foot but the loose ball eventually fell to Gerrard and he lifted the ball over the crowd of players and into the empty net.

1-0 almost became 2-0 when Kelly took advantage of acres of space to flash a shot across goal before Straqualursi planted a shot into Pepe Reina's arms from Baines' cross five minutes before half-time.

Any hope of a quick comeback probably died with Moyes's refusal to bring on anyone from the comparative riches at his disposal on the substitute's bench and Liverpool doubled their lead easily five minutes into the second half. Luis Suarez easily battled his way past the strangely languid Distin along the byline before cutting it back and Gerrard was on hand to drill a shot off Jagielka's futile lunge to bulge the net behind the stranded Howard.

Suarez was allowed to saunter through the Everton box at will three minutes later and Andy Carroll lashed a left footer across the face of goal when he probably should have scored as Liverpool threatened to turn it into a rout.

Everton's response was weak and lacked conviction, epitomised by Rodwell's wayward left-foot shot on the hour when he'd be played in for an almost certain shot on target by Baines' cut-back that skidded a yard wide of the far post.

Moyes belatedly played all his cards at once after 61 minutes when he threw Drenthe, Jelavic and Osman on in place of Stracqualursi, Anichebe and Coleman and the difference was visible almost immediately, with more cohesive football being produced in the ensuing five to 10 minutes than had been the case for the preceding hour.

Almost immediately, a nice move down the left ended with Osman feeding Fellaini to cross low to Jelavic who fired just wide from close range, though the offside flag was raised in any case. But the improvement was short-lived and the fight gradually drained out of a team that knew it was staring defeat full in the face.

The inevitable handbags late on prompted a smattering of yellow cards from referee Phil Dowd ? one each for Baines, Pienaar and Hibbert on Everton's side ? and there was one more opportunity served up for Rodwell on a plate in injury time but he sliced well wide of the target before Gerrard rubbed more salt in the wounds with a third at the death as the Reds ripped the Everton defence open one last time.

In March 2002, David Moyes appeared to have captured the essence of the Evertonian experience with his calculated "People's Club" quip upon succeeding Walter Smith. 10 years on, by putting out a weakened starting XI in the name of pragmatism he appears to have badly misjudged just what the Merseyside derby means to an Everton fanbase fed up to the back teeth of being beaten by the hated enemy.

There were players who looked ill-prepared to start a game of this magnitude while others of whom so much is expected ? Fellaini and Pienaar, to name two ?let the team down with a clumsy touch and poor execution in the final third. In short, the Blues looked a shadow of the team that supposedly came into this game with their tails up from a nine-match unbeaten run; instead, they made a Liverpool side who had not scored a goal of their own at Anfield in 2012, look like the Champions League side they clearly aren't.

Man of the Match: Leighton Baines

Lyndon Lloyd

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Stuart Critchley
572   Posted 14/03/2012 at 05:14:24

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Thanks for that, Davey boy. I've gotta go to work now and take shit all day off grinning gobshites. I will never pay money again too watch an Everton side as long as you are in charge.
Dave Long
573   Posted 14/03/2012 at 04:58:32

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Moyes doesn't realize that history was made last night. Evertonians will have to live with that forever. Do Glen Keeley or Steve McMahon cringe like us when they remember that infamous day? Fans' memories are long.

He's thinking of his own needs, a trophy to crown his 10 years. If we do make it to the final, it's likely to be against the Shite again. Then what? Confident attacking football?

That was a cup final for Evertonians, you badly let us down. Only a resounding win in the final against the Shite will redeem you... nothing less.
Dermot Ryan
577   Posted 14/03/2012 at 05:32:11

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Lyndon: Nail on head. Gutted. Angry. Betrayed.
Paul Ellam
581   Posted 14/03/2012 at 06:33:41

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Modern day football is rife with such poor decisions. What happened to putting your best side out when you could?
I have to confess that when I saw the starting line up I didnt even bother watching the game as I was fairly sure what the result would be. Glad I spared myself the misery. Fingers crossed for the FA cup now, just hope it proves worth it.
Sam Hoare
583   Posted 14/03/2012 at 06:57:29

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Very risky move by moyes last night and it backfired badly. Even if we do win at the weekend a Gerard hatrick will stick in the throats for some time. If we don't win then I think there will be a serious rebellion from even the apologists.
Kase Chow
597   Posted 14/03/2012 at 06:52:58

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Not sure Moyes went for a weakened line up: I think he wanted to match L'pools physicality as we always get bullied at Anfield.

Cahill and Neville are both in their 30s so were probably rested but by picking Rodwell and Anichebe, Moyes hoped this would allow us to compete. He dropped Osman who tends to go missing in these kinds of games and was brave to play 2 up front.

I think the problem is largely mental: truth is we have an inferiority complex against them under Moyes. Under Royle we accepted they were the richer team and enjoyed giving them a bloody nose. But under Moyes we're shit scared.

I'm not a fan of 451 but ironically this may have been the game to play it. Saying that Moyes is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

Just think we need to change our attitude and outlook somehow. We need to get in the mindset of 'somehow we're gonna fcuk you up:be it with the result or we're gonna hurt you bad or both'. And then do it

Final point: why do we start the season poorly and only 'play' in the 2nd half of the season? Cos we're a team of bottlers with few strong characters. We can only play when the season is dead. Any time there is a 'must win' game under Moyes, we lose. We are very weak mentally and if Moyes wants to make the step up from good manager to great manager he needs to make that step up and address this recurring issue
Norman Merrill
599   Posted 14/03/2012 at 07:39:36

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A total lack of respect to the fans who went to the game, and the many thousands who watched it on tv
What was in your head, when you selected that side,
Only you and your ( defensive coach ) side kick knows?
You got what every Evertonian knew what would happen, a beating.
So celebrate your birthday today, as it seems you have been doing all weekend, talking to the media.
But talks cheap, it's actions that matter!
And more important, results!!
Sunderland await, and so does your fans,
Let's see what surprises you have for us Saturday???
Andrew Fair
604   Posted 14/03/2012 at 08:16:01

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Everyone is angry but if we beat Sunderland then his selection is partly justified! Lets face it we gave them their three goals, Moyes is not to blame for that. He even played 2 strikers - shame one was Victor. It wasnt his fault that Distin had a shocker. Of course we are gutted for the way it ended last night but that was a fight for 7th place, Saturday is a fight for the Semi finals of the FA cup and I dont blame him for going for a trophy.
Mat Gill
609   Posted 14/03/2012 at 08:29:39

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Terrible terrible decision by Moyes. 3,000 Everton fans £150,000 out of pocket for a gamble which by no means is going to pay off. We should have been still looking to get into Europe on 2 fronts, after Saturday it may be not at all. Big apology needed to 'all' Everton fans after that.
Chris Matheson
619   Posted 14/03/2012 at 08:44:49

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Good report Lyndon, accurate in my view, and decent comments too.

Like everyone else I was astonished at the team and was worried from the outset. I worry that Moyes has has favourites and they will get a game whatver. So Heitinga gets dropped to the bench despite a great recent partnership with Distin, because space has to be found for Jags.

Once again we passed sideways while the RS played the ball forwards. We lumped in high balls or got tangled up in short passes while their movement off the ball (and our backing off) gave them all the space we needed.

We made them look good and they aren't anything special. OK, Gerrard is a good player (once again their saviour) but he isn't that good. For heaven's sake, we even made that caveman from Newcastle look half decent.

Nick Entwistle
621   Posted 14/03/2012 at 08:59:04

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A fucking disgrace. He should fine himself. A massive fucking disgrace.

But its nice to come out of the derby having lost not to a diving twat or bent ref.

A monumental fucking disgrace.
Rob Giubertoni
624   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:02:38

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What on earth was he thinking(Moyes)....cant believe he put that side out,it was akin to watching the last episode of Blackadder,as we went like lambs to the slaughter...any of those players 'rested' must have been gutted not to have taken part in such an important game and dnt tell me they cant play two big games in 4 days,after all the Reds are also in the FA cup and they didnt play a weak side...shame on you Moyes !
Peter Laing
625   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:02:17

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I would second Dave Long's sentiments, last night's team selection smacked of vanity. Believing in your own hype is a dangerous, Moyes obviously feels that after ten years he is now being judged on his lack of silverware. He let the fans down badly.
Tony J Williams
628   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:10:25

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"Betrayed" - get over yourself fella.

" have to confess that when I saw the starting line up I didnt even bother watching the game as I was fairly sure what the result would be. Glad I spared myself the misery" - Yep same here
Brian Harrison
630   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:04:31

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Lyndon very accurate report of last nights game.

The game on Saturday matters a lot more than last nights game. Moyes has been critisized for his lack of silverware, so he was obviously keeping his key players fit for Saturday.

The goals were avoidable, Pienaar lost the ball on the halfway line, and Drenthe did the same for the final goal. I think Distin had possibly his worst game in a blue shirt, but after so many good games everybody is allowed the odd bad game. Just a pity it was against Liverpool.

I will agree that because of the side he picked last night, victory over Sunderland is vital for Moyes.
Dave Lynch
635   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:18:50

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You seriously think we will win the cup ?

The minute this tosser comes up against a decent side he will surrender like he did last night.

He is a serial loser end of.....

And yes. I am still hurting.

BADLY.........
Peter Laing
637   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:18:03

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Brian I can't for the life of me see how the Cup game on Saturday is more important than last night. It seemed pretty important to Daglish, Gerrard, Carragher and all of those gloating redshite supporters revelling in their victory. My philosophy is that you take each game as it comes, there is no rationale for resting player's with one eye on the next game. Did Daglish bench half of his team with the Cup in mind - no as local pride means more to him having been both a successful player, manager and serial winner of trophies. We had the chance to keep the run going, leapfrog Liverpool in the table with a morale boosting victory but surrendered before a ball was even kicked. Graeme Sharp on the pre-match build up on City was even critical of the baffling team selection and every blue I know knew that the writing was on the wall. Totally disgraceful and had to be up there with Moyes previous capitulations.
Ed Staunton
638   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:20:32

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A disgrace in more ways than 1, dented our confidence, boosted theirs, when we might be playing them again. Boosted Sunderland?s confidence. Failed to understand the fans feelings, it?s a derby ffs. Then to rub salt in the (very sore) wounds he stands there & acts like it?s no big deal! IT?S A VERY BIG DEAL YOU TWAT.

What now if we lose on Saturday, & let?s face it we could well do, see the rest of the season go in to free fall, he just doesn?t get it does he, how important 1 game can become.
Ian Pilkington
639   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:14:08

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Moyes's appalling team selection resulting in the worst Derby defeat for years has not only totally reinvigorated the RS but will have given Sunderland a huge boost for the FA Cup game. Even if we win on Saturday, just imagine Moyes's tactics if we meet the RS in the SF or the Final.
Tony J Williams
641   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:29:24

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Peter of course the cup game is more important than the Derby, you don't have the change of winning a trophy just because you beat them shite.

It wasn't a capitulation, it was a "I don't give a fuck about this game, my mind is on Saturday"
Dick Fearon
643   Posted 14/03/2012 at 08:52:40

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Never in my 60 odd years watching and supporting our club have I wished for us to get beat. After last nights disgusting offering I say this.
If a continuation of Moyes tenure depends upon a win over Sunderland I would not be as upset as I might have been to lose that game.
John Keating
645   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:31:32

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Brian. Saturdays game only became important AFTER the final whistle last night !!
It would possibly have been different if Saturdays game was the Cup Final.
Sorry mate, no excuses for that team selection.
It was a disgrace and a complete insult to supporters of this club whao have to take stick from the Shite - again !!
Look at the faces on the Shite players and supporters. Did it look as if their weekend game against Stoke was more important ????
Eugene Ruane
648   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:42:03

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http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2012/03/14/shirts-down-to-10
Dave Lynch
651   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:37:59

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Tony.
We have to win 3 more games to lift the cup.
Against very good opposition, last night was not about him not caring or having his mind on the cup.
He got it wrong big time, he is kidding himself if he thinks there will be no backlash from this.
Peter Laing
654   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:42:45

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How is the Cup game more important than last night's game Tony - the unlikely prospect of silverware ? You are watching the wrong game fella, ask yourself this question - why did Daglish select his strongest team ? - he wanted it more and will use the morale of that victory as a springboard. Heaven help us if we meet them in the semi or final, wouldn't guarantee us progressing past Sunderland to be honest.
Peter Webster
658   Posted 14/03/2012 at 09:21:51

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What the hell was that all about? What a shabby let down by Moyes. So much for all the pre-match bulldink about going out to win. Doesn't he realise or care about what this fixture means to us?
Sometimes his decisions are just plain baffling. Why drop Heitinga? 9 games without defeat then bring Jags back and we ship 3 crap goals. Not saying they were Jags' fault, but still.
That game was crying out for Cahill but Moyes played Rodwell who looked like a child out there, and as for Vic, just one question - why?
Very very disappointed today. No, seething, actually.
Paul Carr
670   Posted 14/03/2012 at 10:07:31

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Having obviously decided to forfeit this "unimportantant" game why didn't he rest our best players- Baines,Distin,Fellaini and Howard?
A missed opportunity for Duffy, Barclay,Guaye, Mucha etc..
Are Liverpool's players fitter than ours? None of them were rested before their important Cup game on Saturday.
Joe McMahon
687   Posted 14/03/2012 at 11:02:20

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Stuart Critchley (572)- it's killing me, but thats a decision I made neary 3 years ago. The last 7 times i'd seen Everton, we hadn't even scored a goal. I'm dreading him signing another contract.
Nelly Verdonghan
693   Posted 14/03/2012 at 10:44:17

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MOYES IS A FUCKIN SHITHOUSE...if he's THAT frightened of SUNDERLAND...yes that's right SUNDERLAND not Barcelona... then perhaps he should just forfeit the game on Saturday just like he did last night.

ANYONE who believes this clown is a GREAT MANAGER is as clueless a fucking idiot as he is and has absolutely no idea about what good football is all about.

As soon as the team was announced I knew we'd get twatted and that's exactly what happened. Last night we made an ageing crock, who's hardly played all season, look like a world beater and not for the first time. Every time he plays against The Shite Moyes shits himself (espescially at Analfield)...as he does when he goes to Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge, The Emirates.

Last night was humiliation in the highest degree, we were NEVER in the game but he's okay he doesn't have to go to work and face the shit we all have to...no he'll just tuck himself away in Finch Farm and surround himself by sycophantic pricks like Round & Kenwright and listen to them tell him how great he is....He actually had the audacity to say in his post match interview that at the time The Shite scored the first goal he thought we were the better team....Which fuckin game was he at.....FUCKIN WANKER !!

I've never been a great Moyes fan but any little benefit of the doubt I would give him went out of the window last night. As bad as Walter was he NEVER laid down in front of the shite and let them humiliate us...Moyes does it time and time again and gets lauded as one of the best in the game...fucking joke.

For all those excuse makers who are defending last night by saying he's concentrating on the cup...How many of you are HONESTLY confident we'll win on Saturday...cos I'm not. Martin O'Neill must have been sitting in the stand shiting himself... er no I mean... pissing himself (laughing)....Even if we do win on Saturday the chances are we'll have to play Chelsea, Spurs or (god forbid) The Shite in the semi...so he'll just lay down and die once AGAIN and try to convince people that we're really lucky to have made the semi final with no money and such a small squad....AS far as I'm concerned the sooner Moyes & Kenwright leave this club the better.....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Spurs and/or Chelsea hear my plea...come and take this clueless gutless twat off our hands...give him the chance to show what a truely great manager he is at a club with money....He'll last about six months just like that other GREAT MANAGER Hodgson did at the shite.

I will NEVER be ashamed to be an Evertonian but last night I was humiliated, embarrassed and ashamed of Everton... in particular the gutless twat who calls himself the manager....not even winning The FA CUP will take away the hurt and humiliation I felt last night...and by the way...if Jack Rodwell is the future of English football then English football is in BIG BIG TROUBLE.br />
Glen Anderson
697   Posted 14/03/2012 at 11:24:15

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Nelly - Don't hold back mate, say what you mean.
John Crook
733   Posted 14/03/2012 at 12:31:43

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Nelly - every single word you said reveals what I (and probably all) are feeling. If we win (now a massive if) on Saturday, the sell out crowd should stay behind and boo the fucker until he knows whats hit him
Declan Brown
748   Posted 14/03/2012 at 12:44:38

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Lyndon one of the best articles, if not the best, i've read on this website, that's after reading Toffeeweb for nearly 10 years now. Everything you touched on was like reading my mind this morning. A very very very painful point in our history.

I seen more determination, passion and committment from my Peugeot 407 Coupe when it was sitting in a Peugeot workshop for 3 weeks getting fixed.

Last night was the most disgraceful performance of ineptitude i have witnessed from an Everton in a Derby.

I'd pay good money to know the thoughts of Kendall, Royle, Harvey, Reid, Southall, Ratcliffe, Watson, Sharpy, Andy Gray, Big Duncan, Reid, Sheedy et all when they watched that last night.

As for the "People's Club" comment from our leader (spurs you're more than welcome to him), Davey i think it's time you started to speak to the People of Liverpool, the blues everywhere you spoke of back in the beginning of your tenure, to see what they really think of your antics last night.

I was once of Moyes' biggest supporters. Last night was the final nail in the coffin for me. I don't care who gets the job now, 10 years of Moyes, is more than enough.

And Gerrard scored a hat-trick. I've seen some terrbile games in my 25.5 years of being a blue, last night was the worst i can remember. Could it have been any worse than last night?

There's no way back. Hope Spurs take him away in the summer. They can have Kenwright and his board as a sweetener too.
5 more years of this, dear god, please no.

The media maybe building up your legend, but believe me Davey, you're no Everton legend in my book, you never will be, you don't know what that really means.

If i was the chairman you'd be sacked this morning for that, but our true blue born in the ball pen idiot of a chairman won't even read you the riot act this morning. I'd buy the bus to drive you and the players around the city to show you all what we really thought of it.

Moyes you've no idea what you have done to all Evertonians last night and today. You're a disgrace to this club and all that it used to stand for before Kenwright got his hands on it.

That from a very bitter, ashamed, humiliated and embarrassed Evertonian of 25.5 years. Not that it means anything to you as you so clearly demonstrated in your post match interview.

Disgrace. DISGRACE.
Jack Molloy
753   Posted 14/03/2012 at 13:03:33

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The only possible justification, if there is any justification, for that debacle is a resounding win on Saturday with the full team out. The worst part was watching Anichebe. He used to contribute nothing. Now he's an positive liability. What is he even doing in the squad when a player of the potential of Vellios can't get a look in? Almost as disheartening is nthe world of denial Moyes is in. I never thought I would hear an Everton manager take that cavalier nonchalent attitude after such a significant and resounding loss. Let anyone who believes an ambitious club like Manchester Utd or Chelsea would even consider coming looking for him please stow it fior at least a year.
Chris Jones [NZ]
755   Posted 14/03/2012 at 13:09:07

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I think it said it all last night when on of the commentators on BBC Radio 2 opined that our bench looked stronger than theirs. Davey got it wrong last night.

We need to beat Sunderland on Saturday then the Shite at Wembley to try and expunge this mistake.
Brian Harrison
759   Posted 14/03/2012 at 13:21:35

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We have had posters on here for months saying he picks his favourites every week whether they are playing well or not. The players they refer to as his favourites are usually Cahill,Neville and Osman, well he never started with any of them, so whats all this about it being a disgrace the team he fielded.
John Keating
767   Posted 14/03/2012 at 13:25:33

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Brian, Are you on planet Earth ??

Forget that he dropped probably the most consistent player we've had for months in Heitinga for long-term absentee Jags. Forget the fact that he dropped last Saturday's goalscorer and £5 mill striker for the battering ram that is Stracq. Let's just mention the 3 players you brought up.

Osman. Everyone was singing his praises for the Spurs first half performance behind Jelavic. So lets drop him!

Neville. Against the RS you need leaders so let's drop Neville for this one!

Cahill. The midfield was were we could have turned this game. Regardless of Cahill's lack of goals he was the one person we had who would have ran, harried, kicked, pushed, pulled that fuckwit Gerrard around. So let's drop him and play another long-term injured in Rodwell.

Rotation is great if used sparingly with fit fucking players. What Moyes did was just fucking incompetent. That's only my opinion, of course.
Jim Hourigan
768   Posted 14/03/2012 at 13:14:52

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A spineless capitulation that in the eyes of Evertonians is indefensible. No date at Wembley, or even a Cup win, can erase the memory of how he treated me last night. I have grown to despise him and his tactics over the last few years but beneath it all I thought, and believed, that he cared and understood what it meant to be a evertonian. Last night showed that to be a fallacy as well.

The team and approach was dictated by his desire to pin a medal on his chest for one of the so called bigger clubs to come a calling, and for him to say 'I'm a winner'. Last night David, you lost the last bit of respect I had for you as a man. I'll be there on Saturday because I support Everton and have done for nearly 50 years, but I will watch you with contempt and disgust. If we win I will celebrate as I have done all my life with fellow blues who understand this club ? you, Mr Moyes, can just .......
Matteo Rosingana
825   Posted 14/03/2012 at 15:13:46

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Lyndon, this was an excellent read, spot on, thank you. Once again a case of Moyes being a better manager with fewer players to choose from. Give him too many options and he'll more often than not get it wrong.
Logan Shave
845   Posted 14/03/2012 at 15:29:31

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I'd say this was the last straw, but that came a long time ago for me. That piss-poor performance last night was merely yet another low point in Moyes's reign.

Football's supposed to be about passion, excitement, the beautiful game. Under Moyes, Everton have been the antithesis of what I love about the game. Granted he began his Everton career on a positive note, but somewhere along the line he lost his passion and will to win. The manner in which we approach games these days disgusts me. Dour, percentage hoofball, orchestrated by a dour, lifeless manager who seems to be spend more time making excuses than trying to win.

I have not been to a game now for over 3 years and have no intention of going until Moyes is gone. How we can play such soulless football when teams like Swansea and Norwich with teams worth a fraction of our's can play such joyful, exciting football is beyond me.
Graeme Beswick
859   Posted 14/03/2012 at 16:29:59

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I will no doubt just repeat what everyone has said or already knows but last night was just an embarassment and I'm still in shock. Anichebe and the Straq are just not footballers certainly not premiership one's. Anichebe is a disgrace full stop, attitude the constant moaning someone who thinks he is better than what he is, he wouldn't in Bury's side yet he led the line at Anfield.

Why change a winning team, why break up solid partnerships all over the park. It's often been said in the past that Moyes has his favourites which was evident last night when Heitinga was left out or hopefully rested to accomodate Jagielka but I don't see Moyes leaving his captain out now he has been reinstated that would defy logic even in Moyes world. Rodwell just not good enough, another one prepared to stroll through games and take the easy option by passing sideways how is he considered ready and Barkley not?

I could go on as many of us could but what happened last night has only made it more difficult for the players on Saturday, they will now be under pressure and no doubt playing with 40,000 angry Evertonians behind them rather than 40,000 expected one's who have come to expect so much more and deserve so much more.
Jim Knightley
875   Posted 14/03/2012 at 16:55:37

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My word...people calling for Neville, Cahill and Osman now? They areconstantly insulted on this site, but now Moyes is criticised for not playing them. Fantastic.

Get your head back into things guys. The sheer unchecked emotion is embarrassing. Liverpool have lost 3 games yes, but they are better than us. It is no coincidence that we lose to the top teams... we lose because we are inferior.

The result was poor last night, and the performance too, but we were not 3 goals worse off. Before on this site, many Everton fans expressed a willingness to see a result on Saturday over a result today. We are not doing anything in this league, why not rest players?

Liverpool have lost one game all season at home...this result was NOT there for the taking. When Liverpool have drawn, they have drawn through poor finishing, which Gerrard rectified last night. Take a step back, and look at this as one game before the biggest game of our season. Every fan on this site wants a win on Saturday, and every fan wants a cup, and our chances of winning a cup are increased by resting players for Saturday.

Liverpool is the biggest Prem match of the season of course, but it is still only one match, and we were unbeaten in the nine before it. We sit in the top half once more, we are five points behind the shite that have spent 20 times what we have since last January. One defeat, whatever the emotions, does not deserve such an outpour.

Liverpool have lost once all season at home...we have them to play away less than 4 and a half days before the biggest match of our season. I would have rested players too, as would many of you. The players that came in were not awful, and people have been crying out for 2 up top all season.

Mega fucking overreaction. It?s not nice to lose, especially to them, but listening to this shit would make anyone think we?ve just been relegated.
Jon Tollitt
876   Posted 14/03/2012 at 17:17:25

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Didn't think the performance, or the players, were quite so hysterically poor as on here.

I do think Moyes cocked up but more with removing Heitinga and having seemingly no plan to deal with counter-attacks....which is what they did over and over again.
John Keating
881   Posted 14/03/2012 at 17:20:46

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Jim.
You're right of course.
What does it matter if we're embarrassed by a poor Shite team 3-0.
I mean we only have to live through a great few days getting stick from shite supporters etc.
You're right that all supporters want to win on Saturday in the quarter final. I mean winning that makes up for last night big time eh ?
Don't know why we didn't give Howard, Distin and Pienaar a rest after all Pienaar must be knackered sitting on Spurs bench all season.
Yeah who gives a fuck we all have to get real. Brilliant team selection and it was only 3 points after all wasn't it.
I mean who gives a flying shit if we beat the Shite or not ? Who gives a shit that we could have gone above them in the league and given ourselves an outside shot of 5th.
Yeah only another league game and as you say we were unbeaten for 9 games who wants to get into double figures.
We are in the top half so thats a really successful season isn't it ??
Yes you're right Jim.
Mind you I cannot think of reading one single poster here or anywhere else who said they'd rather see a result on Saturday than Tuesday.
If anyone had said that I'd have said they were as fucking stupid as you !!
Nelly Verdonghan
882   Posted 14/03/2012 at 17:28:17

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Jim...I think you're totally missing the point....It's not the fact that we lost but HOW and WHY we lost ....utter surrender from the minute the team was announced and then the total bollocks he came out with after the match trying to defend his team selection.

I would have more respect for him if he had come out held his hand up and admitted he got it wrong....just like Mancini did when we turned them over a few weeks ago.
Liam Reilly
894   Posted 14/03/2012 at 17:37:20

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There's a lot of talk on this and other threads about how Moyes is saving his best team for Saturday, are you all for real.

There's was no fucking way on earth Drenthe was starting that game or Jags wasn't going to replace JH and Victor wasn't coming into that side somehow. I was just amazed JH wasn't forced into the middle with Neville and Fellaini to really shut up shop.

9 games unbeaten, conceeding fuck all, so what's to be done...hmmm let's bench our best central defender involved in all of those games who playing his best football since arriving at goodison. Fucking joke, Jags should be made earn his place back just like everyone else.

If JH doesnt start in central defence on Saturday after that fucking debacle, he should demand an out in the summer.
Charlie Martin
053   Posted 14/03/2012 at 22:49:55

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Get a song going for Saturday anyone?

Davey Moyes
Davey Moyes
Davey Davey Moyes
He's Got Red Hair

.....feel free to fill in the next lines...


(Resorting to what I can after a soul-destroying night that will live long in the memory ? genuinely believe his time's up; when a manager is so out of touch with fans, the time's up.)
Graham Mockford
056   Posted 14/03/2012 at 23:01:11

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Charlie now that would be really fucking useful ahead of a big game, the crowd singing songs about the manager. Have we become Blackburn or what?
Simon Harris
059   Posted 14/03/2012 at 23:06:59

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Good luck with that Charlie, but I'll pass.

Too busy cheering the Boys in Blue on to Wembley.
Ian Smitham
063   Posted 14/03/2012 at 23:14:59

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Simon, thanks, some reason on here. Just wonder if MK can get a petition of those who self confess on here that they will not attend any more games while Moyes is in charge and or Kenwright is...whatever.

Then we can send it to the club to help them with the ticket allocation plans for Wembley.

Also trust these beuts will not be at the match supporting the club and even joining in with the "we are on the march" stuff giving the players that lift that might just help them get there.
Jim Knightley
066   Posted 14/03/2012 at 23:22:56

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John as you appear as blind as you are stupid, try reading this:

http://toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/comment/mailbag/20687.html



Alot advocate cup prioritisation as well as team changes.

And outside chance of 5th? are you mad? even winning last night would have put us nine points behind Chelski who have a far better goal difference. You are clearly another foolish fan with expectations which have no place in reality. I believe a top half finish to be a success because we now have bottom half wages and an upper champ/very low prem team's transfer budget. I think you alone on here believe we had a chance of 5th until last night.

Cheers for the post though John, was amusing.
David Harrison
171   Posted 15/03/2012 at 12:22:22

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Distin "uncharacteristically" awful. Sorry, but he always looks vulnerable to me
Trevor Lynes
256   Posted 19/03/2012 at 07:36:24

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The blame for any performance on the field rests with the players.

It is now a squad situation and all the players who performed poorly are well paid. DM maybe at fault for his tactics which I believe were intended to make it a physical game... But the basic ability to control a football and pass accurately surely rests with the players!!

I have seen teams from lower divisions raise their game against Premier League teams many times and I say that we do not have a squad with sufficient ability to provide entertainment. Look at Swansea City, they play really great football and all their players have good basic ability; they are one or two star players away from being a really top team.

We have scrambled points by usually negative tactics throughout the season so far and we are abysmal to watch!! We will stay up OK but I am not satisfied with the fare being offered as so-called entertainment. The only saving grace is that there are three or four clubs already adrift and we will not be involved in a relegation battle this season.

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